• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 21:55
CET 03:55
KST 11:55
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners10Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13TL.net Map Contest #21: Voting12[ASL20] Ro4 Preview: Descent11
Community News
StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7[BSL21] RO32 Group Stage4Weekly Cups (Oct 26-Nov 2): Liquid, Clem, Solar win; LAN in Philly2Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win10
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon! RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners Weekly Cups (Oct 20-26): MaxPax, Clem, Creator win
Tourneys
Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Merivale 8 Open - LAN - Stellar Fest Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Where's CardinalAllin/Jukado the mapmaker?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Grand Finals [BSL21] RO32 Group A - Saturday 21:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] RO32 Group B - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine The Games Industry And ATVI Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2026 Football Thread NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Learning my new SC2 hotkey…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Our Last Hope in th…
KrillinFromwales
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1289 users

Combating piracy - Page 45

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 43 44 45 All
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
December 06 2011 06:30 GMT
#881
On December 06 2011 06:24 vindKtiv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2011 05:48 Aterons_toss wrote:
Just saw the thread/article pop up and thought of this thread right that moment
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291926
So i challenge you now defenders of "piracy is always bad": Give me a reason after seeing this for someone NOT to pirate any and all games that has EA on it when it when the non pirate copy actually give me a disadvantage ( and a pretty big one ) and the risk of something happening to all my other EA games ... yeap, thats what some of the big names need to understand in order to prevent piracy.

That's not an excuse to pirate... you just don't buy the game.

You see, you come here with the entitled attitude that you have a right to the game. You don't, you have a privilege and you gain that privilege by paying the developers that has taken hours out of their day to make the game. If you don't like what EA is doing, you simply don't buy it, don't pirate it, and don't play it. You are never justified to download a game no matter how hard the corporations fuck you over, because you can always simply not play the game.

Stop being an entitled brat, and if you won't do so, then stop getting mad every time someone calls you an entitled brat. You are just using whatever excuse you can to get the game for free. Games can come with no DRM and people like you would still pirate it (see Witcher 2, Minecraft, GOG games, etc), and that has been established over and over again.

I have a hard time thinking that you even understood what i wrote but i shall reply to it anyway trying to explain it again.
Let us for a minute say that we live in a perfect world where games are free... oky ?
Now let us chose between the free original version of say... Mass effect 2 and the free pirate version.
Now the guy who got the original: - risks to get banned and never be able to play again if SOMEONE ELSE made a post about him on the EA/bioware forum AND losse all of his Origin game together with ME 2
- has to pay an ridiculous sum for very small and crappy DLC's that are important only for the story and can ether get riped of, waste time and watch them on you tube or never know the full story and walk away with no full understanding of what his action really led to...etc ( see the coming of the reaper... w.e it was called... DLC for ME 2 ).
This basically stands true for all EA owned developers
Now lets say we buy pirate version: - No risk to get banned what so ever
- Can still post on the forums
- Can pirate the DLC's as well thus not paying half the price you payed for the game just to understand the story completely
Oky so in this perfect word the "original" game still has disadvantages over the pirated one.
Thus i am saying... why in a world would a "selfish person" that disobeyed the law many times by.. speeding, smoking pot... and a whole lot of other minor crimes most where probably did at some point in time and don't really regret doing them ... why ithe hell would i buy the original game !?
And then you come and say... supporting the developer ( which btw is SUPPORTING them NOT giving them the money directly, the money goes to EA ). And you know what... a lot of ppl would, just like millions of ppl donated to wikipedia tho the wikipedia services are offered for free... imagine if wikipedia was stupid enough to have there pages load harder/some page not load at all and some of the info inaccurate ONLY for the ppl who donated... would that number still be in the millions, NO, it would be most likely in the dozens .
You basically get yourself from a situation of : I can steal this thing and non will see me or i can be a nice lad and pay for it
Into a situation of I can steal this thing or i can be a nice lad an pay the money for it and then the vendor will cut it in half, give half of it to me and the other half throw in the garbage can.
It does not make piracy "oky"... but damn it if you live in a country where it is safe and you don't do it you might have a problem

My point is not defending the pirate but rather just saying "Why won't the developers break from companies that enforce DRM"... there are those which do not such as Activision, which is still "evil", but does not force any DRM upon blizzard games up to date ( sc2 log in is arguably one but there are guest profiles where you can play offline and it works exactly as a pirate copy would )
and "Why don't they do something that MIGHT benefit a customer over a pirate"... online mod is taking away developer time but something like having an account only form where you DO NOT risk getting your game taken away depending on what you write... hell diablo 3 in game action hose is a good example... i do not think it took to much time for blizzard to create it and it will sure as hell help give a hardcore gamer a reason to buy it since he can make real money selling his items there.
Many.. many developers do not do the above and they refuse to believe that is one of the main reasons they loss sales for the game ( and the fixing literally takes away non to a few hours of development time ).
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
Runnin
Profile Joined May 2010
208 Posts
December 07 2011 02:26 GMT
#882
On December 06 2011 08:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I actually think it seems like the blanket "piracy is always wrong" and "this sense of entitlement prevalent in today's society sickens me" stems from a different point of view with regards to laws/morality, where "obeying the law is the morally correct thing to do" is the attitude leading to opposition towards piracy. personally, I lead more towards a "do whatever you want to do as long as your actions are not harming others" style of thinking, which results in a different attitude towards piracy; I'm only doing others harm if I pirate a game I would have bought if pirating it wasn't an option. Thus, yes, I am entitled to play whatever game I want, but I am morally obliged to pay for a game if I am sufficiently interested in playing it that I think it is worth the money, and if I am sufficiently wealthy to afford paying for it. piracy in the event where either I or the game is too poor to justify money being spent, is fine - because as I wasn't going to spend money on it anyway, nobody is harmed through me copying it.


It has nothing to do with mindlessly following the law. It has everything to do with having a conscience and recognizing that in this case, the law is sensible and just (in intent, not necessarily in the punishment applied) . No, you are not entitled to play whatever game you want just because you incorrectly assume that it doesn't hurt anyone - but I won't waste either of our time rehashing arguments that have already been posted from both sides.
Prev 1 43 44 45 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
23:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #17
ReBellioN vs HiGhDrA
Shameless vs Demi
LetaleX vs Mute
Percival vs TBD
Liquipedia
BSL 21
20:00
ProLeague - RO32 Group B
spx vs rasowy
HBO vs KameZerg
Cross vs Razz
dxtr13 vs ZZZero
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech136
Ketroc 72
RuFF_SC2 8
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 829
NaDa 23
Noble 11
Dota 2
monkeys_forever162
NeuroSwarm66
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox1234
Other Games
summit1g12970
fl0m400
JimRising 399
Maynarde141
ViBE135
JuggernautJason68
Models0
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick948
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Hupsaiya 83
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• masondota21737
Other Games
• Scarra837
• Shiphtur529
Upcoming Events
OSC
6h 6m
Wardi Open
9h 6m
Wardi Open
13h 6m
Replay Cast
20h 6m
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 9h
Replay Cast
2 days
Kung Fu Cup
2 days
Classic vs Solar
herO vs Cure
Reynor vs GuMiho
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
2 days
The PondCast
3 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Solar vs Zoun
MaxPax vs Bunny
[ Show More ]
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Classic vs Creator
Cure vs TriGGeR
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
herO vs Gerald
ByuN vs SHIN
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
BSL 21
5 days
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
6 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
BSL 21
6 days
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual

Upcoming

SLON Tour Season 2
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.