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Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
December 06 2011 06:30 GMT
#881
On December 06 2011 06:24 vindKtiv wrote:
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On December 06 2011 05:48 Aterons_toss wrote:
Just saw the thread/article pop up and thought of this thread right that moment
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=291926
So i challenge you now defenders of "piracy is always bad": Give me a reason after seeing this for someone NOT to pirate any and all games that has EA on it when it when the non pirate copy actually give me a disadvantage ( and a pretty big one ) and the risk of something happening to all my other EA games ... yeap, thats what some of the big names need to understand in order to prevent piracy.

That's not an excuse to pirate... you just don't buy the game.

You see, you come here with the entitled attitude that you have a right to the game. You don't, you have a privilege and you gain that privilege by paying the developers that has taken hours out of their day to make the game. If you don't like what EA is doing, you simply don't buy it, don't pirate it, and don't play it. You are never justified to download a game no matter how hard the corporations fuck you over, because you can always simply not play the game.

Stop being an entitled brat, and if you won't do so, then stop getting mad every time someone calls you an entitled brat. You are just using whatever excuse you can to get the game for free. Games can come with no DRM and people like you would still pirate it (see Witcher 2, Minecraft, GOG games, etc), and that has been established over and over again.

I have a hard time thinking that you even understood what i wrote but i shall reply to it anyway trying to explain it again.
Let us for a minute say that we live in a perfect world where games are free... oky ?
Now let us chose between the free original version of say... Mass effect 2 and the free pirate version.
Now the guy who got the original: - risks to get banned and never be able to play again if SOMEONE ELSE made a post about him on the EA/bioware forum AND losse all of his Origin game together with ME 2
- has to pay an ridiculous sum for very small and crappy DLC's that are important only for the story and can ether get riped of, waste time and watch them on you tube or never know the full story and walk away with no full understanding of what his action really led to...etc ( see the coming of the reaper... w.e it was called... DLC for ME 2 ).
This basically stands true for all EA owned developers
Now lets say we buy pirate version: - No risk to get banned what so ever
- Can still post on the forums
- Can pirate the DLC's as well thus not paying half the price you payed for the game just to understand the story completely
Oky so in this perfect word the "original" game still has disadvantages over the pirated one.
Thus i am saying... why in a world would a "selfish person" that disobeyed the law many times by.. speeding, smoking pot... and a whole lot of other minor crimes most where probably did at some point in time and don't really regret doing them ... why ithe hell would i buy the original game !?
And then you come and say... supporting the developer ( which btw is SUPPORTING them NOT giving them the money directly, the money goes to EA ). And you know what... a lot of ppl would, just like millions of ppl donated to wikipedia tho the wikipedia services are offered for free... imagine if wikipedia was stupid enough to have there pages load harder/some page not load at all and some of the info inaccurate ONLY for the ppl who donated... would that number still be in the millions, NO, it would be most likely in the dozens .
You basically get yourself from a situation of : I can steal this thing and non will see me or i can be a nice lad and pay for it
Into a situation of I can steal this thing or i can be a nice lad an pay the money for it and then the vendor will cut it in half, give half of it to me and the other half throw in the garbage can.
It does not make piracy "oky"... but damn it if you live in a country where it is safe and you don't do it you might have a problem

My point is not defending the pirate but rather just saying "Why won't the developers break from companies that enforce DRM"... there are those which do not such as Activision, which is still "evil", but does not force any DRM upon blizzard games up to date ( sc2 log in is arguably one but there are guest profiles where you can play offline and it works exactly as a pirate copy would )
and "Why don't they do something that MIGHT benefit a customer over a pirate"... online mod is taking away developer time but something like having an account only form where you DO NOT risk getting your game taken away depending on what you write... hell diablo 3 in game action hose is a good example... i do not think it took to much time for blizzard to create it and it will sure as hell help give a hardcore gamer a reason to buy it since he can make real money selling his items there.
Many.. many developers do not do the above and they refuse to believe that is one of the main reasons they loss sales for the game ( and the fixing literally takes away non to a few hours of development time ).
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Runnin
Profile Joined May 2010
208 Posts
December 07 2011 02:26 GMT
#882
On December 06 2011 08:24 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I actually think it seems like the blanket "piracy is always wrong" and "this sense of entitlement prevalent in today's society sickens me" stems from a different point of view with regards to laws/morality, where "obeying the law is the morally correct thing to do" is the attitude leading to opposition towards piracy. personally, I lead more towards a "do whatever you want to do as long as your actions are not harming others" style of thinking, which results in a different attitude towards piracy; I'm only doing others harm if I pirate a game I would have bought if pirating it wasn't an option. Thus, yes, I am entitled to play whatever game I want, but I am morally obliged to pay for a game if I am sufficiently interested in playing it that I think it is worth the money, and if I am sufficiently wealthy to afford paying for it. piracy in the event where either I or the game is too poor to justify money being spent, is fine - because as I wasn't going to spend money on it anyway, nobody is harmed through me copying it.


It has nothing to do with mindlessly following the law. It has everything to do with having a conscience and recognizing that in this case, the law is sensible and just (in intent, not necessarily in the punishment applied) . No, you are not entitled to play whatever game you want just because you incorrectly assume that it doesn't hurt anyone - but I won't waste either of our time rehashing arguments that have already been posted from both sides.
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