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Forum moderation gone too far? (EA Forums)

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Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
December 05 2011 15:19 GMT
#1
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/12/05/ea-origin-bans-update-edition/

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To keep you up to date with the status of our investigation into EA’s dubious banning players from accessing their Origin account games (mostly multiplayer, although we’re hearing exceptions), we have, well, no news.

Unfortunately, despite repeated attempts to receive a statement on EA’s current position on their banning procedure, we have only been met with silence for the last fortnight. After some initial responses, pointing affected customers toward their support lines, we received an ambiguous statement that avoided the current issue and rather said there were plans to “review” whatever the current secret policy might be. And then no responses to our emails since. All the while, we’re hearing of case after case of customers being affected.


I’m building up quite the portfolio of affected gamers, who find after a forum violation they’re unable to access their Origin games. And within this is a more disturbing trend – those who are finding that their forum bans are, without explanation, becoming permanent bans. Permanent bans from accessing their Origin accounts, their Battlelog accounts, and therefore downloading purchased games, and playing online. Something which obviously raises serious questions about consumer rights, which is of course another angle we’re currently investigating.

The pattern tends to go like this:

Person says a naughty word on an EA forum.
Person receives 72 hour ban from forums, which blocks Origin too.
Person contacts EA customer support and is told “tough”.
Person writes to RPS.

With the occasional addition of:

Person finds their ban has become permanent with no warning, and no option to appeal.

Of those people who contact us, we tend to get two types. The first who write invective-speckled fury on the forum, and then to us, and obviously entirely deserve their forum bans. The second are those who have done absolutely nothing wrong on the forums, but are punished erroneously, either for quoting an insult someone else has called them, or doing nothing offensive whatsoever. But neither group, according to EA’s words to us in March, should be being banned from Origin or accessing their games. A statement, however, that EA doesn’t appear willing to repeat nine months on.

So there’s Rob, who was accused of posting a commercial to his support site – a site that EA links to itself in its own support site FAQ – who received a ban. And James, permanently banned (until his account mysteriously popped back to life recently, with no communication from anyone) for saying “e-peen”. We’ve heard from Alex, who put a sweary joke on the forum, not directed at anyone, and found himself locked out of his games. Toma got in touch to say that after previous bans for what sound like entirely unacceptable forum posts, months later he has now found himself banned because of his Gravatar logo – a Reddit troll face. Buh? Pointing out that one of the main devs at EA uses the Me Gusta face got nowhere, and he has been told he’ll learn of his account’s fate in seven days, so certainly longer than the traditional 72 hour ban, potentially permanent.

Most exceptional perhaps is Aaron, who after receiving a 72 hour ban was told by EA support they couldn’t help because “the game developers control this”. Pardon? His crime? Someone else swearing on the forum, with his username in their post. Trying the live chat support instead, he was then informed that his account was permanently banned, and that “all property, items, and characters associated currently are or will soon be deleted.” Followed by, “Is there anything else I can do for you?” Aaron tried again, pointing out that forum bans shouldn’t affect games. And then came this incredible reply:

“Please be informed that your account not only suspended, But it is also Banned, So you will no longer to play the game in single player.”

Aaron chronicles his adventures here.

At this point, with no reply from those within EA who have responded to this matter in the past, we can only suggest that our readers avoid the EA forums. The chances of being banned seem far too risky, when the consequences are the loss of access to products you have paid for. We are aware we’re not the only ones looking into the legality of this matter.


Short Summary:
-Gamers find themselves suddenly banned from Origin
-Gamers find out that they're banned because of forum violations on EA's site.
-Gamers also find out some of the bans were completely unjustified (e.g. someone else swears in a post but uses their name and apparently that counted somehow).
-Gamers attempt to appeal or ask for explanation
-EA responds "tough luck" and permanently bans (often without ability to appeal).

This is a pretty ugly slap in the face of customer rights. Sure bans on the forum is okay but to also deny access to Origin? Even worse there's a guy that reports that he was locked out of the EA games he bought on Steam. Some of those bans are extremely shady in that they shouldn't have been done in the first place (because the user did not commit any violations of their forum rules, but rather victims of misunderstanding). No one else to my knowledge has ever pulled stunts like this (and we all know how much quality is packed in the Battle.Net forums).

Poll: Did EA go too far?

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EA is being completely fair (33)
 
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Your vote: Did EA go too far?

(Vote): EA went to far
(Vote): EA is being completely fair



I really do hope that EA can pull their act together and reverse the decisions with their apologies. I do believe they were well in the wrong here. Some of those forum bans, yeah they're fair game, but denying game access is just completely wrong.

What do you think of this?
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
Tritanis
Profile Joined November 2007
Poland344 Posts
December 05 2011 15:21 GMT
#2
Good that I don't play any EA games.
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bonifaceviii
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2890 Posts
December 05 2011 15:23 GMT
#3
You know, banning people in-game for shitty forum posts on the company's website doesn't seem like a bad idea in theory.

In practice, though, I'm sure it's a nightmare.
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Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
December 05 2011 15:23 GMT
#4
Never post on EA forums, right.
EA shooting themselves in the foot but can somehow still run away from all their customers (and potential ones too)!
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frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
December 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#5
lol

good story.


At first I thought this was a whine post by an alternate login complaining about TL bans
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TheLaw
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States172 Posts
December 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#6
EA has even stolen money of mine, I swear that company is run by children in adult skin. Bunch of selfish bastards.
Cowards die in shame.
frontliner2
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Netherlands844 Posts
December 05 2011 15:24 GMT
#7
On December 06 2011 00:21 Tritanis wrote:
Good that I don't play any EA games.


Same here. I am EXTREMELY reluctant to play anything under their label.
I had a bad dream. Don't be afraid, bad dreams are only dreams. What a time you chose to be born in...
Neo7
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States922 Posts
December 05 2011 15:25 GMT
#8
On December 06 2011 00:23 bonifaceviii wrote:
You know, banning people in-game for shitty forum posts on the company's website doesn't seem like a bad idea in theory.

In practice, though, I'm sure it's a nightmare.


Well I suppose suspensions and eventually to bans for repeat or serious violations. But a permaban on the first offense for minor stuff? I don't know any sites that are that strict.
It takes an idiot to do cool things.
nalgene
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada2153 Posts
December 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#9
That's pretty interesting... you can take someone's name and then get them banned on it... seems like somewhat useful info...
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Gladiator6
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden7024 Posts
December 05 2011 15:26 GMT
#10
On December 06 2011 00:24 frontliner2 wrote:
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On December 06 2011 00:21 Tritanis wrote:
Good that I don't play any EA games.


Same here. I am EXTREMELY reluctant to play anything under their label.


I feel the same way, but of course they are not the only gaming company I feel so about.
Flying, sOs, free, Light, Soulkey & ZerO
strongandbig
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States4858 Posts
December 05 2011 15:28 GMT
#11
Tbh, this sounds like a bureaucratic failure. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind creating a policy like this on purpose. My guess is that somewhere in the giant EA corporate structure, someone heard about social networking and "Facebook integration" and decided to link the forum and Origin accounts without making a provision for one of those getting banned. Probably by now, no one thinks this policy is a good idea but there's probably a bunch of different corporate divisions each trying to avoid blame, so no one actually gets around to fixing it.

The random bans for no reason are bad, but nothing surprising from poorly moderated forums of a large company. It's the origin account bans that make this noteworthy.
"It's the torso" "only more so!"
blinken
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada368 Posts
December 05 2011 15:28 GMT
#12
On December 06 2011 00:24 TheLaw wrote:
EA has even stolen money of mine, I swear that company is run by children in adult skin. Bunch of selfish bastards.


You insult children.

No child could be as selfish as a businessman.
PassiveAce
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States18076 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 15:30:35
December 05 2011 15:29 GMT
#13
holy lol batman.
I dont even know what to make of this. holy god.
Im glad i never got on the Origins bandwagon haha.
losing your games over what is said in a forum? I bet if the people knew that they could lose their games they would have never purchased them in the first place lol. Foolish EA.
Call me Marge Simpson cuz I love you homie
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46498 Posts
December 05 2011 15:30 GMT
#14
Most exceptional perhaps is Aaron, who after receiving a 72 hour ban was told by EA support they couldn’t help because “the game developers control this”. Pardon? His crime? Someone else swearing on the forum, with his username in their post. Trying the live chat support instead, he was then informed that his account was permanently banned, and that “all property, items, and characters associated currently are or will soon be deleted.” Followed by, “Is there anything else I can do for you?” Aaron tried again, pointing out that forum bans shouldn’t affect games. And then came this incredible reply:

“Please be informed that your account not only suspended, But it is also Banned, So you will no longer to play the game in single player.”


WOW. That's ridiculous x.x

So wait, is that pretty much analogous to someone else writing a rant post on a Blizzard forum with the name "DarkPlasmaBall" in the middle of the post, which leads to my DarkPlasmaBall StarCraft 1 and 2 and Diablo accounts becoming banned, and me never even being able to play in single player?

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At least there's still SC64 mwahaha ^^
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HellRoxYa
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden1614 Posts
December 05 2011 15:30 GMT
#15
Love how they get banned for swearing at all.
Kurr
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada2338 Posts
December 05 2011 15:33 GMT
#16
Wow very ridiculous story. Couldn't he sue or something for that? They literally stole his money.
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Interloper
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden217 Posts
December 05 2011 15:33 GMT
#17
Oh EA... How could you stray so far away from your past glory.

You are entering the vicinity of an area adjacent to a location. The kind of place where there might be a monster, or some kind of weird mirror. These are just examples; it could also be something much better. Prepare to enter, The Scary Door.
deth2munkies
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 15:35:17
December 05 2011 15:34 GMT
#18
And this is why I advocate boycotts and piracy as equally effective activism tools.

Just never buy the games from them, pirate it or let it rot on the shelf until the company either changes their ways or dies.

Oh, and again, as I've posted before:

Anyone who thinks this is illegal has not read an EULA. Short version is that you don't own anything but the right to play the game for as long as the company wants you to. That's what you get for your $60.
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
December 05 2011 15:34 GMT
#19
And this is why we want lan.
Fruscainte
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
4596 Posts
December 05 2011 15:34 GMT
#20
So someone else curses in a post and mentions your name, you get banned, you go to support to appeal, you get permanently banned and locked out of all your games forever.

What in the actual fuck EA.
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