On December 06 2011 00:55 TheLaw wrote: Don't listen to, elmizzt, hes a troll. I don't think anybody could be that dumb otherwise. The issue here is people are getting banned for something they said on forums. I'm all for banning forum trolls on ANY forum. But banning from games from something said on a forum isn't right at all.
Have you got a reason to back that up with? If you are posting on your account with your games on it after agreeing to their rules and get banned. You should lose access to the account. Just consider it punishment. If the punishment is to harsh is to hard to call. You never see all the details in these cases.
For example, would you have the same reaction if a scammer bought bf3 and started to scam the forums. Would you then want him to be able to log onto his account and attempt to spam through that? There is a line that has to be drawn in terms of punishments but I personally do believe that banning access should be considered a valid punishment.
Why is it so hard to perma ban on only forums instead of games.......
On December 06 2011 00:56 Chargelot wrote: This is why I don't support production companies who force game designers to copy and paste, and then proceed to fuck over their customers by releasing shitty games AND banning them from playing.
Blizzard/Bethesda forever.
Down with EA/Activision.
Bethesda needs to hire some decent coders. way too many bugs.
So you want blizzard/Activison to go down and last forever? you realise that they are the same company pretty much now.
On December 06 2011 00:35 elmizzt wrote: As long as they sort out the issues where the wrong person gets the ban, I'm all for the blanket ban.
So it's okay that if I say "fuck" on their forum, I'm banned from playing the games I bought permanently?
You don't see an issue with that?
Honestly i dont see a problem, you would not get banned permanently for saying a single fuck. but if you are trolling/swearing/scamming/spamming on their forums, they will ban you. Just do not post on their forums. I think that lots of people in this thread misunderstand. The person that was permanently banned had a whole slew of spamming posts. It was just the wrong post that the moderator sent him. It was posted on the bf3 subreddit i believe.
There is a good example! The guy claims to have been banned for a single thing but was actually a troll.
it shouldn't matter what i say on their forums. punish it by banning me from the forums.
but there's no fucking way the company is going to get away with stealing something from me that i rightfully own. they don't have any justification for taking someone's stuff for punishment when the two are entirely unrelated. the whole "forums and the game are same company, so connected" is nonsense. only if i'm flaming on the game is it acceptable to revoke rights on the game... but even then it's not permissible to take away single player.
honestly this made me lose all respect for EA. thieving bastards. i feel like an acceptable community response would be to ramp up support of cracked games and rogue servers. they don't deserve a penny.
On December 06 2011 00:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Most exceptional perhaps is Aaron, who after receiving a 72 hour ban was told by EA support they couldn’t help because “the game developers control this”. Pardon? His crime? Someone else swearing on the forum, with his username in their post. Trying the live chat support instead, he was then informed that his account was permanently banned, and that “all property, items, and characters associated currently are or will soon be deleted.” Followed by, “Is there anything else I can do for you?” Aaron tried again, pointing out that forum bans shouldn’t affect games. And then came this incredible reply:
“Please be informed that your account not only suspended, But it is also Banned, So you will no longer to play the game in single player.”
WOW. That's ridiculous x.x
So wait, is that pretty much analogous to someone else writing a rant post on a Blizzard forum with the name "DarkPlasmaBall" in the middle of the post, which leads to my DarkPlasmaBall StarCraft 1 and 2 and Diablo accounts becoming banned, and me never even being able to play in single player?
I'd like to point to this post again because a lot of people are arguing without understanding that the guy DID NOT make the problematic post. Someone else did, and put his name somewhere in his post. That's it. I don't think anyone can legitimately argue about this fact : this is fucking stupid.
On December 06 2011 00:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Most exceptional perhaps is Aaron, who after receiving a 72 hour ban was told by EA support they couldn’t help because “the game developers control this”. Pardon? His crime? Someone else swearing on the forum, with his username in their post. Trying the live chat support instead, he was then informed that his account was permanently banned, and that “all property, items, and characters associated currently are or will soon be deleted.” Followed by, “Is there anything else I can do for you?” Aaron tried again, pointing out that forum bans shouldn’t affect games. And then came this incredible reply:
“Please be informed that your account not only suspended, But it is also Banned, So you will no longer to play the game in single player.”
WOW. That's ridiculous x.x
So wait, is that pretty much analogous to someone else writing a rant post on a Blizzard forum with the name "DarkPlasmaBall" in the middle of the post, which leads to my DarkPlasmaBall StarCraft 1 and 2 and Diablo accounts becoming banned, and me never even being able to play in single player?
On December 06 2011 00:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: Most exceptional perhaps is Aaron, who after receiving a 72 hour ban was told by EA support they couldn’t help because “the game developers control this”. Pardon? His crime? Someone else swearing on the forum, with his username in their post. Trying the live chat support instead, he was then informed that his account was permanently banned, and that “all property, items, and characters associated currently are or will soon be deleted.” Followed by, “Is there anything else I can do for you?” Aaron tried again, pointing out that forum bans shouldn’t affect games. And then came this incredible reply:
“Please be informed that your account not only suspended, But it is also Banned, So you will no longer to play the game in single player.”
WOW. That's ridiculous x.x
So wait, is that pretty much analogous to someone else writing a rant post on a Blizzard forum with the name "DarkPlasmaBall" in the middle of the post, which leads to my DarkPlasmaBall StarCraft 1 and 2 and Diablo accounts becoming banned, and me never even being able to play in single player?
I'd like to point to this post again because a lot of people are arguing without understanding that the guy DID NOT make the problematic post. Someone else did, and put his name somewhere in his post. That's it. I don't think anyone can legitimately argue about this fact : this is fucking stupid.
This was posted a single page back. This guy is a major troll and deserved the ban coming to him. Whetever he should be banned from singleplayer as well, I dunno. But I do know that Blizzard does the same thing with their battle.net 2.0. If you get banned from battle.net, you also get banned from singleplayer.
On December 06 2011 00:55 TheLaw wrote: Don't listen to, elmizzt, hes a troll. I don't think anybody could be that dumb otherwise. The issue here is people are getting banned for something they said on forums. I'm all for banning forum trolls on ANY forum. But banning from games from something said on a forum isn't right at all.
Have you got a reason to back that up with? If you are posting on your account with your games on it after agreeing to their rules and get banned. You should lose access to the account. Just consider it punishment. If the punishment is to harsh is to hard to call. You never see all the details in these cases.
For example, would you have the same reaction if a scammer bought bf3 and started to scam the forums. Would you then want him to be able to log onto his account and attempt to spam through that? There is a line that has to be drawn in terms of punishments but I personally do believe that banning access should be considered a valid punishment.
Don't you think it is hypocritical by game companies to treat the right of property of consumers with utter disrespect while they lobby for harsher copyright laws? Why are lawmakers not protecting consumers from arbitrary rules in software license agreements?
On December 06 2011 00:35 elmizzt wrote: As long as they sort out the issues where the wrong person gets the ban, I'm all for the blanket ban.
So it's okay that if I say "fuck" on their forum, I'm banned from playing the games I bought permanently?
You don't see an issue with that?
Honestly i dont see a problem, you would not get banned permanently for saying a single fuck. but if you are trolling/swearing/scamming/spamming on their forums, they will ban you. Just do not post on their forums. I think that lots of people in this thread misunderstand. The person that was permanently banned had a whole slew of spamming posts. It was just the wrong post that the moderator sent him. It was posted on the bf3 subreddit i believe.
There is a good example! The guy claims to have been banned for a single thing but was actually a troll.
it shouldn't matter what i say on their forums. punish it by banning me from the forums.
but there's no fucking way the company is going to get away with stealing something from me that i rightfully own. they don't have any justification for taking someone's stuff for punishment when the two are entirely unrelated. the whole "forums and the game are same company, so connected" is nonsense. only if i'm flaming on the game is it acceptable to revoke rights on the game... but even then it's not permissible to take away single player.
honestly this made me lose all respect for EA. thieving bastards. i feel like an acceptable community response would be to ramp up support of cracked games and rogue servers. they don't deserve a penny.
It is not stealing it from you, you bought the license to the game and they took it off you. It is all stated clearly when you buy the game. It is not stealing. They have complete justificiation. That is the way that they have set up their forums, they want it to be all interconnected with the games. If you post on the forums you must have agreed to let them do that. The simple answer is to not pirate the game, it is to not post on the forum. That would show them that people disagree with their policy.
Also are you arguing that a game is not a game if its single player?
I will admit that it was to much to ban permanently for what someone else said. That was obviously a lapse in judgement by the moderator/computer program. But I will stand by their point of banning the game from people who are in fact being dicks on their forums. Chances are that if you are a dick on their forums you are a bit of a dick in game as well, and they do not want that.
On December 06 2011 00:55 TheLaw wrote: Don't listen to, elmizzt, hes a troll. I don't think anybody could be that dumb otherwise. The issue here is people are getting banned for something they said on forums. I'm all for banning forum trolls on ANY forum. But banning from games from something said on a forum isn't right at all.
Have you got a reason to back that up with? If you are posting on your account with your games on it after agreeing to their rules and get banned. You should lose access to the account. Just consider it punishment. If the punishment is to harsh is to hard to call. You never see all the details in these cases.
For example, would you have the same reaction if a scammer bought bf3 and started to scam the forums. Would you then want him to be able to log onto his account and attempt to spam through that? There is a line that has to be drawn in terms of punishments but I personally do believe that banning access should be considered a valid punishment.
I can't agree. No way that your game should be taken from you just because you say stupid shit on the forums. Sure ban them from the forums, that is fine. You can even block their ability to talk ingame if you want, Maybe remove multiplayer? But then you would need a extreamly good reson. Not just one or 2 offenses.
I honestly think that the EULAs that allows companies to take away games and ban their customers from the games should be illigal. That they can, at any moment with out any warning, ban you from their game without having to give a good reason and for this to be legall is compleatly bull shit. why should you pay 50€ for a game that you could lose at the whim of the companies.
On December 06 2011 00:55 TheLaw wrote: Don't listen to, elmizzt, hes a troll. I don't think anybody could be that dumb otherwise. The issue here is people are getting banned for something they said on forums. I'm all for banning forum trolls on ANY forum. But banning from games from something said on a forum isn't right at all.
Have you got a reason to back that up with? If you are posting on your account with your games on it after agreeing to their rules and get banned. You should lose access to the account. Just consider it punishment. If the punishment is to harsh is to hard to call. You never see all the details in these cases.
For example, would you have the same reaction if a scammer bought bf3 and started to scam the forums. Would you then want him to be able to log onto his account and attempt to spam through that? There is a line that has to be drawn in terms of punishments but I personally do believe that banning access should be considered a valid punishment.
Why is it so hard to perma ban on only forums instead of games.......
Because people aren't afraid of getting perma banned on the forums. As long as the kids that got banned by mistake are not only are allowed to play again, but are also compensated in some way (a free EA game for example) I actually think this is what should be done. This way raging nerds can have a community forum, and the real game forum can actually be a more civilized place
At this point, every person who has any sort of power in their customer service department should be fired. I worked at shaw as a CSR (customer service representative) and I know for a fact that the people I worked under would NEVER ban people for such stupid reasons. On another note of retardedness, who anyone could consider this a good business desition is beyond me, because I am pretty sure that banning your players and actually stealing money from them is not a good way to get them to buy any more of your games. I can say with confidence that I will not be buying any more EA games myself and I will be sure to advise everyone I know to do the same.
Have to say if Origin banned me from playing games I'd paid for, regardless of their rules, I'd just immediately turn to piracy for their products and I'm somone who has literally only ever downloaded one game, and that's because it was imossible to buy it anywhere anymore.
The accounts in the OP are absolutely insane and I hope this decision ends up costing EA a lot of cash. Permanently banning an account from the forums is sufficient for bad forum behaviour, banning them from multiplayer should only be an absolute last possible option and banning them from their games in general if not illegal damn well should be.
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