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On December 01 2011 06:22 Mammel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:02 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:49 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:45 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:39 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:31 Karnage77 wrote:
So many people here trying to justify stealing to ease their guilty minds. You are without permission, taking intellectual property that the owner intended to sell. If you don't have the money then you shouldn't have it.
We have access to gameplay footage on Youtube, tons of reviews, Blockbuster rentals, downloadable demos, and Gamefly. Don't tell me you don't know what game you're buying and need to just "test" it out via piracy (play the entire campaign). Same applies to music. Just because the song has the ability to be reproduced in a non-physical manner does not mean that you aren't stealing. They are SELLING entertainment. Are you not entertained? And there are so many people trying to defend companys who again and again make shitty content just for the sake of making money. Quality or happy customers are just a Bi-product in a best case scenario for these people. I do not understand how anyone can defend companys like Activision, Ubisoft or EA for all the shit they have pulled through the years. Piracy is the perfect method to tell a company to fuck off because it is the only way to target the only thing they care about, the money. Really? Your argument is "it's a shitty game, but I want to play it anyway"? No. If you think a game is crap, don't play it at all. Don't pirate it, don't buy it. Playing it in any way is showing them that you want to play it. If a game goes un-bought and un-pirated, they'll know it's shit. Don't act like you're some kind of Robin Hood trying to stick it to the man. They're providing a product that you don't like, but don't have to partake in. You're a stealing bastard, you're not teaching a lesson or anything. How am i to know it's a bad game if i can't take it for a test drive? The advertisment for the game is through the roof, everyone is talking about the game and how awesome it will be and every site who was able to play the game and write a review pre-release praises the game. Game comes out, i pay 50-70$ for it, and guess what it's shit. It's impossible to get a non biased view of the game if you don't play it yourself. Alright, here's a list of things you can do. 1) Go to Blockbuster, get a membership. You now have access to game rentals for a very reasonable rate. 2) Find a local Redbox. $2 a day for games. If you hate it, return it after a day. 3) Buy from a store rather than online. Returning a game within a few day sis usually a full refund, or at least in-store credit. 4) Play a demo. A good chunk of games nowadays have demos available. Not all, but many. 5) Play at a demo kiosk. Best Buy, Gamestop, Target, Walmart, and many other stores have these available for you to play on. 6) Wait on buying it until the price comes down. This is usually a month or two. If it's a game you're not for sure buying first day, you can usually afford to wait a few more weeks. 7) Find someone who has it, maybe a friend, or make friends who game. Play with them. And many more. There are ways to play games legally without buying them. And if you don't think you want to play a game... you don't have to have it. Just don't buy it, it won't kill you. Give me one reason why I should bother to do all that crap when I can just download it for free and see if it's good? Why do I need to 1. Pay and 2. do way more stuff, registering/going to shop/refunding in case it's bad, if I just want to test the game? As long as I won't get full access to the game for at least a few hours with just as much trouble as downloading it from piratebay, I'm going to download it.
Minor point maybe, but isn't the role of a demo to fulfill this?
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On December 01 2011 06:41 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:30 chickenhawk wrote:Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that? That analogy does not work since you cannot copy a Lamborgini. Copying is not stealing. You could copy a Lamborgini if you wanted and no one would care about that. (different story if you tried to sell it) Copying a game, movie, or music is against the law if it's distributed, for sale or for free, or is not for use of the purchaser. You are depriving the publisher/developer money they earned making and distributing the game if you give it away for free just like if you went to the store and took it off the shelf. So yes the analogy stands, especially if you read how he worded his point. The people who make games are protected under the same copyright laws that protect music and movies and I believe people who put their time, effort, money, and souls into their "product", even if you can't touch it, should get the money they deserve for creating it. It is called Intellectual Property Rights and it is a part of the Copyright Laws.
So the only guy breaking the law is the guy who uploaded it.
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On December 01 2011 06:40 NoobSkills wrote:
Music - 3 hits 15 trash fillers
Games - Create a boss game costing you a lot of money, but big returns as well. Then creating a shitty sequel riding on the fame of the previous title.
Movies - Same thing as games. Followed by big production companies making crap because people have faith that their product will be good because they saw X movie from them a year ago.
If they stopped producing crap all the time to pad their pockets I would buy everything I want. Now, I gamefly and blockbuster almost everything before purchase because I don't feel like they actually put effort in making a game/movie I will enjoy, but making a game/movie I might pay for because I might be a sucker.
Music - You can buy individual songs now, only get the ones you want. Listen to them on Youtube or Grooveshark first if you want.
Games - If you think it's shit, don't play it. No one is forcing you to pirate and play shitty games.
Movies - Same thing as games. If you think it's going to suck, don't go see it. Wait for it to be on TV or something.
You people act like pirating and doing illegal shit is the only way to do anything. Holy fuck.
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I pirate because the amount of money I will make is finite and if I spend less on games I can spend more on other things that are also useful, I will probably continue to do so as much as possible unless I have more money than I know what to do with (such as a big video game company CEO)
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On December 01 2011 06:45 Divinek wrote:
I pirate because the amount of money I will make is finite and if I spend less on games I can spend more on other things that are also useful, I will probably continue to do so as much as possible unless I have more money than I know what to do with (such as a big video game company CEO)
That's still a dumb argument. If you can't afford games, don't play them ffs. If they mean that much to you, prioritize money in your budget to get them. There's usually only one or two good games a month, that's ~$120 USD. If you can't budget that, or really really need 5+ games each month, then you need to reevaluate some shit, my friend.
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I've pirated multiple games in my day, and will continue to do so. Until the time when someone makes some form of media that's actually worth the money myself, or everyone else, works for, I have no problem not paying for it. Movies and music especially, are absolute shit recently. NO ONE should be paying for that garbage.
My income is fixed, so if the gaming companies suffer because I'd rather buy food for a week, tough. Also, 120 a month is 1440 a year. I can spend that much more efficiently elsewhere.
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On December 01 2011 06:48 AwayFromLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:45 Divinek wrote:
I pirate because the amount of money I will make is finite and if I spend less on games I can spend more on other things that are also useful, I will probably continue to do so as much as possible unless I have more money than I know what to do with (such as a big video game company CEO) That's still a dumb argument. If you can't afford games, don't play them ffs. If they mean that much to you, prioritize money in your budget to get them. There's usually only one or two good games a month, that's ~$120 USD. If you can't budget that, or really really need 5+ games each month, then you need to reevaluate some shit, my friend.
Like I said, people have a me me me mentality.
no one is forcing anybody to watch or play crappy movies/games.
Guaranteed Skyrim ( a great game ) will get pirated to hell too.
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On December 01 2011 06:44 AwayFromLife wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:40 NoobSkills wrote:
Music - 3 hits 15 trash fillers
Games - Create a boss game costing you a lot of money, but big returns as well. Then creating a shitty sequel riding on the fame of the previous title.
Movies - Same thing as games. Followed by big production companies making crap because people have faith that their product will be good because they saw X movie from them a year ago.
If they stopped producing crap all the time to pad their pockets I would buy everything I want. Now, I gamefly and blockbuster almost everything before purchase because I don't feel like they actually put effort in making a game/movie I will enjoy, but making a game/movie I might pay for because I might be a sucker.
Music - You can buy individual songs now, only get the ones you want. Listen to them on Youtube or Grooveshark first if you want. Games - If you think it's shit, don't play it. No one is forcing you to pirate and play shitty games. Movies - Same thing as games. If you think it's going to suck, don't go see it. Wait for it to be on TV or something. You people act like pirating and doing illegal shit is the only way to do anything. Holy fuck.
"Wait for it to be on TV or something" Sure, that is good way to watch it in case you have a time machine.
"If you think it's shit" How the fuck am I supposed to know whether or not it's shit?
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On December 01 2011 06:48 Mortal wrote:
I've pirated multiple games in my day, and will continue to do so. Until the time when someone makes some form of media that's actually worth the money myself, or everyone else, works for, I have no problem not paying for it. Movies and music especially, are absolute shit recently. NO ONE should be paying for that garbage.
My income is fixed, so if the gaming companies suffer because I'd rather buy food for a week, tough.
How are you using this as an argument? Have you ever done any type of argumentitive writing or debate before? Obviously not.
This is bad. But I need it.
I really don't want it. But I'm going to pirate it anyway.
If you think it's bad, why do you need it? Is there a man in your house holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play games you think are shit? Or watch terrible movies? I'm going to go with no.
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Copying a game, movie, or music is against the law if it's distributed, for sale or for free, or is not for use of the purchaser. You are depriving the publisher/developer money they earned making and distributing the game if you give it away for free just like if you went to the store and took it off the shelf. So yes the analogy stands, especially if you read how he worded his point.
Wrong, if you take a car, you are denying the owner of the car from using it, selling whatever, the some does not happen if you copy a cd, thats why copying a cd is not stealing. Your are no depriving the publisher money nor distributing. You are not taking a cd from a store.
The people who make games are protected under the same copyright laws that protect music and movies and I believe people who put their time, effort, money, and souls into their "product", even if you can't touch it, should get the money they deserve for creating it. It is called Intellectual Property Rights and it is a part of the Copyright Laws.
I agree, although I also do not mind if some one download a song or a game if he cannot afford it. Alot of singers do not mind either, they earn there money from concerts and not from cd sells.
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On December 01 2011 06:50 Mammel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:44 AwayFromLife wrote:On December 01 2011 06:40 NoobSkills wrote:
Music - 3 hits 15 trash fillers
Games - Create a boss game costing you a lot of money, but big returns as well. Then creating a shitty sequel riding on the fame of the previous title.
Movies - Same thing as games. Followed by big production companies making crap because people have faith that their product will be good because they saw X movie from them a year ago.
If they stopped producing crap all the time to pad their pockets I would buy everything I want. Now, I gamefly and blockbuster almost everything before purchase because I don't feel like they actually put effort in making a game/movie I will enjoy, but making a game/movie I might pay for because I might be a sucker.
Music - You can buy individual songs now, only get the ones you want. Listen to them on Youtube or Grooveshark first if you want. Games - If you think it's shit, don't play it. No one is forcing you to pirate and play shitty games. Movies - Same thing as games. If you think it's going to suck, don't go see it. Wait for it to be on TV or something. You people act like pirating and doing illegal shit is the only way to do anything. Holy fuck. "Wait for it to be on TV or something" Sure, that is good way to watch it in case you have a time machine. "If you think it's shit" How the fuck am I supposed to know whether or not it's shit?
Your literal words were:
creating a shitty sequel riding on the fame of the previous title.
big production companies making crap
You have it in your mind that it's shit. Yet you want it. What kind of mentality is that? It's a petulant child mentality, that's what.
"I need everything that ever comes out ever but never want to pay" makes you a cheap tool.
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Ah, the entitlement generation. You have a human right to anything you want. The evil corporations that take the risks hoping to earn a return on their investment deserve to be pirated. I can't believe I actually read posts in this thread that are complaining that game companies aren't putting out content up to your standards. WTF. If it's not good enough, ignore it. Some people are just plain retarded.
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On December 01 2011 06:43 Mammel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:41 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:30 chickenhawk wrote:Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that? That analogy does not work since you cannot copy a Lamborgini. Copying is not stealing. You could copy a Lamborgini if you wanted and no one would care about that. (different story if you tried to sell it) Copying a game, movie, or music is against the law if it's distributed, for sale or for free, or is not for use of the purchaser. You are depriving the publisher/developer money they earned making and distributing the game if you give it away for free just like if you went to the store and took it off the shelf. So yes the analogy stands, especially if you read how he worded his point. The people who make games are protected under the same copyright laws that protect music and movies and I believe people who put their time, effort, money, and souls into their "product", even if you can't touch it, should get the money they deserve for creating it. It is called Intellectual Property Rights and it is a part of the Copyright Laws. So the only guy breaking the law is the guy who uploaded it.
No people who pirate are also in violation, it is the same thing as knowingly buying stolen property.
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With internet bandwidth caps, DRM, warez sites that sling infectious viruses all over your computer, multiplayer glitches, lack of patching/support, guilt of theft, etc.... for me it's just easier to buy the damn game.
Do what you want with game pirates, I say. I don't lump into that crowd.
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Whether or not the item is tangible is completely beside the point. You are stealing intellectual property. Even the name "pirating" implies its amoral essence. I won't lie, I have illegally downloaded music, software, and music... but I do it knowing I am a piece of shit. You are using someone's work for your personal gain at no benefit to them.
When you go to see your favorite band in concert you aren't receiving any item are you? No. You get to be entertained because of their hard work. Should the musicians not get paid for their hard work? What if you sit through the entire concert but they don't play your favorite song... should your ticket be refunded?
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On December 01 2011 06:51 HereAndNow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:48 Mortal wrote:
I've pirated multiple games in my day, and will continue to do so. Until the time when someone makes some form of media that's actually worth the money myself, or everyone else, works for, I have no problem not paying for it. Movies and music especially, are absolute shit recently. NO ONE should be paying for that garbage.
My income is fixed, so if the gaming companies suffer because I'd rather buy food for a week, tough. How are you using this as an argument? Have you ever done any type of argumentitive writing or debate before? Obviously not. This is bad. But I need it. I really don't want it. But I'm going to pirate it anyway. If you think it's bad, why do you need it? Is there a man in your house holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play games you think are shit? Or watch terrible movies? I'm going to go with no.
It's more like, "I think this is good let me try it, and see for my self.". It's not "This is so fkn bad i am going to pirate trolololol." Why do you go too such extremes? Its not like all pirates download games they hate and sadisticly play them for hours on end.
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On December 01 2011 06:53 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:43 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:41 Yergidy wrote:On December 01 2011 06:30 chickenhawk wrote:Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that? That analogy does not work since you cannot copy a Lamborgini. Copying is not stealing. You could copy a Lamborgini if you wanted and no one would care about that. (different story if you tried to sell it) Copying a game, movie, or music is against the law if it's distributed, for sale or for free, or is not for use of the purchaser. You are depriving the publisher/developer money they earned making and distributing the game if you give it away for free just like if you went to the store and took it off the shelf. So yes the analogy stands, especially if you read how he worded his point. The people who make games are protected under the same copyright laws that protect music and movies and I believe people who put their time, effort, money, and souls into their "product", even if you can't touch it, should get the money they deserve for creating it. It is called Intellectual Property Rights and it is a part of the Copyright Laws. So the only guy breaking the law is the guy who uploaded it. No people who pirate are also in violation, it is the same thing as knowingly buying stolen property.
Your downloading copied property for free . Did I miss something?
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On December 01 2011 06:53 Karnage77 wrote:
Whether or not the item is tangible is completely beside the point. You are stealing intellectual property. Even the name "pirating" implies its amoral essence. I won't lie, I have illegally downloaded music, software, and music... but I do it knowing I am a piece of shit. You are using someone's work for your personal gain at no benefit to them.
When you go to see your favorite band in concert you aren't receiving any item are you? No. You get to be entertained because of their hard work. Should the musicians not get paid for their hard work? What if you sit through the entire concert but they don't play your favorite song... should your ticket be refunded?
You sit in the concert listening as your favorite band is driveling in a drunken stupor and people shout them off the stage and leave the concert and then ask their money back because the concert was total shit, but you couldn't know that before you paid and listened, could you?
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On December 01 2011 06:51 HereAndNow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:48 Mortal wrote:
I've pirated multiple games in my day, and will continue to do so. Until the time when someone makes some form of media that's actually worth the money myself, or everyone else, works for, I have no problem not paying for it. Movies and music especially, are absolute shit recently. NO ONE should be paying for that garbage.
My income is fixed, so if the gaming companies suffer because I'd rather buy food for a week, tough. How are you using this as an argument? Have you ever done any type of argumentitive writing or debate before? Obviously not. This is bad. But I need it. I really don't want it. But I'm going to pirate it anyway. If you think it's bad, why do you need it? Is there a man in your house holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play games you think are shit? Or watch terrible movies? I'm going to go with no.
Because last I checked, everyone needs a ways to spend what minimal free time they may have. If I want to download a movie and watch it, regardless of quality because I happen to have 2 hours to spare that day, so be it. Doesn't mean it's good, it's just a way to spend a little bit of time. Who said I need it? Where exactly did I say "I must watch movies, but I just don't know how to afford them!" I have a little time, so instead of learning another language or something, when I want to unwind, I download a movie or a game.
BTW, I didn't say the games are shit, I'm saying I could spend that money better somewhere else, it's not worth it. The resources exist, not my fault that they're there. I'm saying the other media (music/movies) are trash mostly, but it's a way to spend a little time.
Also, this guy.
It's more like, "I think this is good let me try it, and see for my self.". It's not "This is so fkn bad i am going to pirate trolololol." Why do you go too such extremes? Its not like all pirates download games they hate and sadisticly play them for hours on end.
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On December 01 2011 06:54 Interloper wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:51 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 06:48 Mortal wrote:
I've pirated multiple games in my day, and will continue to do so. Until the time when someone makes some form of media that's actually worth the money myself, or everyone else, works for, I have no problem not paying for it. Movies and music especially, are absolute shit recently. NO ONE should be paying for that garbage.
My income is fixed, so if the gaming companies suffer because I'd rather buy food for a week, tough. How are you using this as an argument? Have you ever done any type of argumentitive writing or debate before? Obviously not. This is bad. But I need it. I really don't want it. But I'm going to pirate it anyway. If you think it's bad, why do you need it? Is there a man in your house holding a gun to your head and forcing you to play games you think are shit? Or watch terrible movies? I'm going to go with no. It's more like, "I think this is good let me try it, and see for my self.". It's not "This is so fkn bad i am going to pirate trolololol." Why do you go too such extremes? Its not like all pirates download games they hate and sadisticly play them for hours on end.
Did you read the post I responded to?
Until the time when someone makes some form of media that's actually worth the money myself, or everyone else, works for, I have no problem not paying for it. Movies and music especially, are absolute shit recently. NO ONE should be paying for that garbage.
He's literally saying that every entertainment media is shit, yet he needs it (for some reason) without paying. This is the general mentality of a lot of pirates. "It's bad but I want because I want gimme gimme gimme."
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