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On November 30 2011 22:35 Inori wrote:
2.) People download because they can't afford it. 60 euro for a new game is too damn high (insert the too damn high meme here). In fact until recently I pirated 99% of games I played simply because I didn't have the heart to ask my parents for 1/8th of their monthly salary (yeah, min wage is low here) just so I could play a game for 4-5 hours.
Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that?
And to all those people who are saying single player games aren't worth the 50-60 dollar price tag, wait for it to go on sale. If you don't want to play full price sooner or later they drop in price, steam always has sales and origin just had 50% of everything in their store for cyber monday, including Batman: Arkam City, which I picked up for 25 bucks instead of 50, and Battlefield 3. Just have patience, and if you want to play the game that badly that you can't wait for it to drop in price maybe it is worth it to get it full price.
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On December 01 2011 06:02 HereAndNow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 05:49 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:45 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:39 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:31 Karnage77 wrote:
So many people here trying to justify stealing to ease their guilty minds. You are without permission, taking intellectual property that the owner intended to sell. If you don't have the money then you shouldn't have it.
We have access to gameplay footage on Youtube, tons of reviews, Blockbuster rentals, downloadable demos, and Gamefly. Don't tell me you don't know what game you're buying and need to just "test" it out via piracy (play the entire campaign). Same applies to music. Just because the song has the ability to be reproduced in a non-physical manner does not mean that you aren't stealing. They are SELLING entertainment. Are you not entertained? And there are so many people trying to defend companys who again and again make shitty content just for the sake of making money. Quality or happy customers are just a Bi-product in a best case scenario for these people. I do not understand how anyone can defend companys like Activision, Ubisoft or EA for all the shit they have pulled through the years. Piracy is the perfect method to tell a company to fuck off because it is the only way to target the only thing they care about, the money. Really? Your argument is "it's a shitty game, but I want to play it anyway"? No. If you think a game is crap, don't play it at all. Don't pirate it, don't buy it. Playing it in any way is showing them that you want to play it. If a game goes un-bought and un-pirated, they'll know it's shit. Don't act like you're some kind of Robin Hood trying to stick it to the man. They're providing a product that you don't like, but don't have to partake in. You're a stealing bastard, you're not teaching a lesson or anything. How am i to know it's a bad game if i can't take it for a test drive? The advertisment for the game is through the roof, everyone is talking about the game and how awesome it will be and every site who was able to play the game and write a review pre-release praises the game. Game comes out, i pay 50-70$ for it, and guess what it's shit. It's impossible to get a non biased view of the game if you don't play it yourself. Alright, here's a list of things you can do. 1) Go to Blockbuster, get a membership. You now have access to game rentals for a very reasonable rate. 2) Find a local Redbox. $2 a day for games. If you hate it, return it after a day. 3) Buy from a store rather than online. Returning a game within a few day sis usually a full refund, or at least in-store credit. 4) Play a demo. A good chunk of games nowadays have demos available. Not all, but many. 5) Play at a demo kiosk. Best Buy, Gamestop, Target, Walmart, and many other stores have these available for you to play on. 6) Wait on buying it until the price comes down. This is usually a month or two. If it's a game you're not for sure buying first day, you can usually afford to wait a few more weeks. 7) Find someone who has it, maybe a friend, or make friends who game. Play with them. And many more. There are ways to play games legally without buying them. And if you don't think you want to play a game... you don't have to have it. Just don't buy it, it won't kill you.
Give me one reason why I should bother to do all that crap when I can just download it for free and see if it's good?
Why do I need to 1. Pay and 2. do way more stuff, registering/going to shop/refunding in case it's bad, if I just want to test the game? As long as I won't get full access to the game for at least a few hours with just as much trouble as downloading it from piratebay, I'm going to download it.
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On December 01 2011 06:20 HereAndNow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:17 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 06:09 jj33 wrote:On December 01 2011 05:43 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:40 jj33 wrote:On December 01 2011 05:39 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:31 Karnage77 wrote:
So many people here trying to justify stealing to ease their guilty minds. You are without permission, taking intellectual property that the owner intended to sell. If you don't have the money then you shouldn't have it.
We have access to gameplay footage on Youtube, tons of reviews, Blockbuster rentals, downloadable demos, and Gamefly. Don't tell me you don't know what game you're buying and need to just "test" it out via piracy (play the entire campaign). Same applies to music. Just because the song has the ability to be reproduced in a non-physical manner does not mean that you aren't stealing. They are SELLING entertainment. Are you not entertained? And there are so many people trying to defend companys who again and again make shitty content just for the sake of making money. Quality or happy customers are just a Bi-product in a best case scenario for these people. I do not understand how anyone can defend companys like Activision, Ubisoft or EA for all the shit they have pulled through the years. Piracy is the perfect method to tell a company to fuck off because it is the only way to target the only thing they care about, the money. that's a copout. if these game companies made the best game ever etc and did everything perfectly, people would still pirate the hell out of the games. No, then they would get a pat on the back (the pat in this case being my money) and a job well done so they can make more games. Wrong. People would still pirate it. If the game is so bad, then don't buy it and play it. LIke I said nice try at justifying it. Again, i only pirate games to see if they are good or not. If good, i buy it. If its bad i delete the thing and i'm still able to spend my 60$ on another game from a better developer. I don't see how this makes me close to the most vile evil thing in the world. And if you don't think that people actualy spend money on a game they have already priated, you are wrong. It's not that you're evil, but people trying to justify piracy as "good" or "right" or even "ok" just need to stop. Even if it's not legally the same, it's stealing, and it's immoral. If you're ok with that, fine, whatever. People just need to stop trying to make it out like they're not doing anything wrong. It's like cheating on a significant other. It's wrong, you know it's wrong, but if you can justify it to yourself, then whatever. I'll never do it, but if you realize that what you're doing is wrong and can accept that, go for it.
I understand how people can think/know/believe that it's wrong. That dose not mean that i agree that its wrong though. I don't know, i see it as kind of a protest and the fastest way to try and make something change. That may be a naive and stupid way to look at it in your eyes but to me it's not.
Agree to disagree and so forth... We don't need to muck up the thread with any more of this.
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On December 01 2011 06:21 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 22:35 Inori wrote:
2.) People download because they can't afford it. 60 euro for a new game is too damn high (insert the too damn high meme here). In fact until recently I pirated 99% of games I played simply because I didn't have the heart to ask my parents for 1/8th of their monthly salary (yeah, min wage is low here) just so I could play a game for 4-5 hours.
Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that?
Except the Lamborghini will still be at the lot 
I only buy games that I know are fully worth the money. Other than the really cheap steam deals and humble bundles I think the last games I bought were Starcraft 2 and Cataclysm.
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On December 01 2011 06:22 Mammel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:02 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:49 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:45 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:39 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:31 Karnage77 wrote:
So many people here trying to justify stealing to ease their guilty minds. You are without permission, taking intellectual property that the owner intended to sell. If you don't have the money then you shouldn't have it.
We have access to gameplay footage on Youtube, tons of reviews, Blockbuster rentals, downloadable demos, and Gamefly. Don't tell me you don't know what game you're buying and need to just "test" it out via piracy (play the entire campaign). Same applies to music. Just because the song has the ability to be reproduced in a non-physical manner does not mean that you aren't stealing. They are SELLING entertainment. Are you not entertained? And there are so many people trying to defend companys who again and again make shitty content just for the sake of making money. Quality or happy customers are just a Bi-product in a best case scenario for these people. I do not understand how anyone can defend companys like Activision, Ubisoft or EA for all the shit they have pulled through the years. Piracy is the perfect method to tell a company to fuck off because it is the only way to target the only thing they care about, the money. Really? Your argument is "it's a shitty game, but I want to play it anyway"? No. If you think a game is crap, don't play it at all. Don't pirate it, don't buy it. Playing it in any way is showing them that you want to play it. If a game goes un-bought and un-pirated, they'll know it's shit. Don't act like you're some kind of Robin Hood trying to stick it to the man. They're providing a product that you don't like, but don't have to partake in. You're a stealing bastard, you're not teaching a lesson or anything. How am i to know it's a bad game if i can't take it for a test drive? The advertisment for the game is through the roof, everyone is talking about the game and how awesome it will be and every site who was able to play the game and write a review pre-release praises the game. Game comes out, i pay 50-70$ for it, and guess what it's shit. It's impossible to get a non biased view of the game if you don't play it yourself. Alright, here's a list of things you can do. 1) Go to Blockbuster, get a membership. You now have access to game rentals for a very reasonable rate. 2) Find a local Redbox. $2 a day for games. If you hate it, return it after a day. 3) Buy from a store rather than online. Returning a game within a few day sis usually a full refund, or at least in-store credit. 4) Play a demo. A good chunk of games nowadays have demos available. Not all, but many. 5) Play at a demo kiosk. Best Buy, Gamestop, Target, Walmart, and many other stores have these available for you to play on. 6) Wait on buying it until the price comes down. This is usually a month or two. If it's a game you're not for sure buying first day, you can usually afford to wait a few more weeks. 7) Find someone who has it, maybe a friend, or make friends who game. Play with them. And many more. There are ways to play games legally without buying them. And if you don't think you want to play a game... you don't have to have it. Just don't buy it, it won't kill you. Give me one reason why I should bother to do all that crap when I can just download it for free and see if it's good? Why do I need to 1. Pay and 2. do way more stuff, registering/going to shop/refunding in case it's bad, if I just want to test the game? As long as I won't get full access to the game for at least a few hours with just as much trouble as downloading it from piratebay, I'm going to download it.
Because.... it's the right thing to do?
I mean, I don't mean to offend or anything, but that's pretty fucking amoral right there. All the things I listed are perfectly legitimite ways to play games without paying full price. If you're too lazy or stubborn to do anything, then there might be something wrong.
That's like, if you knew you could drive a car off the lot, take it for a test drive halfway across the country, and return it without a scratch without asking, you'd do it? I mean, sure, you're not hurting anyone, but what the fuck dude?
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On December 01 2011 06:26 HereAndNow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:22 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:02 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:49 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:45 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:39 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:31 Karnage77 wrote:
So many people here trying to justify stealing to ease their guilty minds. You are without permission, taking intellectual property that the owner intended to sell. If you don't have the money then you shouldn't have it.
We have access to gameplay footage on Youtube, tons of reviews, Blockbuster rentals, downloadable demos, and Gamefly. Don't tell me you don't know what game you're buying and need to just "test" it out via piracy (play the entire campaign). Same applies to music. Just because the song has the ability to be reproduced in a non-physical manner does not mean that you aren't stealing. They are SELLING entertainment. Are you not entertained? And there are so many people trying to defend companys who again and again make shitty content just for the sake of making money. Quality or happy customers are just a Bi-product in a best case scenario for these people. I do not understand how anyone can defend companys like Activision, Ubisoft or EA for all the shit they have pulled through the years. Piracy is the perfect method to tell a company to fuck off because it is the only way to target the only thing they care about, the money. Really? Your argument is "it's a shitty game, but I want to play it anyway"? No. If you think a game is crap, don't play it at all. Don't pirate it, don't buy it. Playing it in any way is showing them that you want to play it. If a game goes un-bought and un-pirated, they'll know it's shit. Don't act like you're some kind of Robin Hood trying to stick it to the man. They're providing a product that you don't like, but don't have to partake in. You're a stealing bastard, you're not teaching a lesson or anything. How am i to know it's a bad game if i can't take it for a test drive? The advertisment for the game is through the roof, everyone is talking about the game and how awesome it will be and every site who was able to play the game and write a review pre-release praises the game. Game comes out, i pay 50-70$ for it, and guess what it's shit. It's impossible to get a non biased view of the game if you don't play it yourself. Alright, here's a list of things you can do. 1) Go to Blockbuster, get a membership. You now have access to game rentals for a very reasonable rate. 2) Find a local Redbox. $2 a day for games. If you hate it, return it after a day. 3) Buy from a store rather than online. Returning a game within a few day sis usually a full refund, or at least in-store credit. 4) Play a demo. A good chunk of games nowadays have demos available. Not all, but many. 5) Play at a demo kiosk. Best Buy, Gamestop, Target, Walmart, and many other stores have these available for you to play on. 6) Wait on buying it until the price comes down. This is usually a month or two. If it's a game you're not for sure buying first day, you can usually afford to wait a few more weeks. 7) Find someone who has it, maybe a friend, or make friends who game. Play with them. And many more. There are ways to play games legally without buying them. And if you don't think you want to play a game... you don't have to have it. Just don't buy it, it won't kill you. Give me one reason why I should bother to do all that crap when I can just download it for free and see if it's good? Why do I need to 1. Pay and 2. do way more stuff, registering/going to shop/refunding in case it's bad, if I just want to test the game? As long as I won't get full access to the game for at least a few hours with just as much trouble as downloading it from piratebay, I'm going to download it. Because.... it's the right thing to do? I mean, I don't mean to offend or anything, but that's pretty fucking amoral right there. All the things I listed are perfectly legitimite ways to play games without paying full price. If you're too lazy or stubborn to do anything, then there might be something wrong. That's like, if you knew you could drive a car off the lot, take it for a test drive halfway across the country, and return it without a scratch without asking, you'd do it? I mean, sure, you're not hurting anyone, but what the fuck dude?
You shouldn't be surprised when people scoff at the "because it's the right thing to do" reasoning. It's pretty arbitrary to tell someone that they can't enjoy something just because.
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Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that?
That analogy does not work since you cannot copy a Lamborgini. Copying is not stealing. You could copy a Lamborgini if you wanted and no one would care about that. (different story if you tried to sell it)
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On December 01 2011 06:26 HereAndNow wrote:
That's like, if you knew you could drive a car off the lot, take it for a test drive halfway across the country, and return it without a scratch without asking, you'd do it? I mean, sure, you're not hurting anyone, but what the fuck dude?
That's like, if you could play music on your stream, would you play it?
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On December 01 2011 06:21 Yergidy wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 22:35 Inori wrote:
2.) People download because they can't afford it. 60 euro for a new game is too damn high (insert the too damn high meme here). In fact until recently I pirated 99% of games I played simply because I didn't have the heart to ask my parents for 1/8th of their monthly salary (yeah, min wage is low here) just so I could play a game for 4-5 hours.
Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that?
Sorry, but no-one owns the copy I download. Someone does own that Lamborgini. You're taking someones property, I am not.
You can't steal something that has no owner.
But, for your sake, let's say it's stealing. Why the fuck should I care? Should I just sit in front of computer and watch the screensaver when I don't have the money to buy a game? Or should I "steal" it without any consequences. The only difference is, that you have something to do. No-one loses money, no-one gains money.
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The losers in piracy are not the developers. The losers are the people who paid for the game. To know that you paid 60 dollars to play something that others are playing for free makes you feel like a sucker. Yet, without these "suckers," there's no gaming industry.
I don't see how you can justify piracy. As more people pirate games there will be less and less games until that number is zero. If everyone pirates, we all lose. If some people pirate, the only losers are the paying customers.
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Here's another thing about piracy: it's always going to just be accepted, but frowned upon.
If the gaming industry stated that they're ok with piracy, and encouraged the "pirate to try it" model, then it would collapse and die in a few days.
If they crack down harder, or start prosecuting people for pirating, it'll hurt them in the long run.
Honestly? I've come to the thought that it's wrong, but impossible to stop. I'll keep buying games, and encouraging others to do so, but I can't really imagine a world in the modern age where piracy is anything other than it is right now.
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On December 01 2011 06:30 chickenhawk wrote:Show nested quote +Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that? That analogy does not work since you cannot copy a Lamborgini. Copying is not stealing. You could copy a Lamborgini if you wanted and no one would care about that. (different story if you tried to sell it)
I don't know...downloading a car off the Pirate Bay is pretty easy.
Also, to those that are saying that it is the right thing to do, that is purely a moral stance that does not reflect whether something is right or wrong.
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These threads are always great because so many people attempt to rationalize what they're doing. I admit I pirate games/music/movies (note: not all, I do buy as well), but I don't have illusions about it. Movies and Music I don't really have qualms about because they're overpriced and ridiculous, games however, given the amount of hours that can be sunk into a good one, I will never download if I know it's good.
Also, stop with all of the analogies. If people can't rap their head around pirating games without equating it to cooking or cars or god knows what, then you wont be able to have a meaningful conversation with them anyway.
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On December 01 2011 06:26 HereAndNow wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:22 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:02 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:49 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:45 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:39 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:31 Karnage77 wrote:
So many people here trying to justify stealing to ease their guilty minds. You are without permission, taking intellectual property that the owner intended to sell. If you don't have the money then you shouldn't have it.
We have access to gameplay footage on Youtube, tons of reviews, Blockbuster rentals, downloadable demos, and Gamefly. Don't tell me you don't know what game you're buying and need to just "test" it out via piracy (play the entire campaign). Same applies to music. Just because the song has the ability to be reproduced in a non-physical manner does not mean that you aren't stealing. They are SELLING entertainment. Are you not entertained? And there are so many people trying to defend companys who again and again make shitty content just for the sake of making money. Quality or happy customers are just a Bi-product in a best case scenario for these people. I do not understand how anyone can defend companys like Activision, Ubisoft or EA for all the shit they have pulled through the years. Piracy is the perfect method to tell a company to fuck off because it is the only way to target the only thing they care about, the money. Really? Your argument is "it's a shitty game, but I want to play it anyway"? No. If you think a game is crap, don't play it at all. Don't pirate it, don't buy it. Playing it in any way is showing them that you want to play it. If a game goes un-bought and un-pirated, they'll know it's shit. Don't act like you're some kind of Robin Hood trying to stick it to the man. They're providing a product that you don't like, but don't have to partake in. You're a stealing bastard, you're not teaching a lesson or anything. How am i to know it's a bad game if i can't take it for a test drive? The advertisment for the game is through the roof, everyone is talking about the game and how awesome it will be and every site who was able to play the game and write a review pre-release praises the game. Game comes out, i pay 50-70$ for it, and guess what it's shit. It's impossible to get a non biased view of the game if you don't play it yourself. Alright, here's a list of things you can do. 1) Go to Blockbuster, get a membership. You now have access to game rentals for a very reasonable rate. 2) Find a local Redbox. $2 a day for games. If you hate it, return it after a day. 3) Buy from a store rather than online. Returning a game within a few day sis usually a full refund, or at least in-store credit. 4) Play a demo. A good chunk of games nowadays have demos available. Not all, but many. 5) Play at a demo kiosk. Best Buy, Gamestop, Target, Walmart, and many other stores have these available for you to play on. 6) Wait on buying it until the price comes down. This is usually a month or two. If it's a game you're not for sure buying first day, you can usually afford to wait a few more weeks. 7) Find someone who has it, maybe a friend, or make friends who game. Play with them. And many more. There are ways to play games legally without buying them. And if you don't think you want to play a game... you don't have to have it. Just don't buy it, it won't kill you. Give me one reason why I should bother to do all that crap when I can just download it for free and see if it's good? Why do I need to 1. Pay and 2. do way more stuff, registering/going to shop/refunding in case it's bad, if I just want to test the game? As long as I won't get full access to the game for at least a few hours with just as much trouble as downloading it from piratebay, I'm going to download it. Because.... it's the right thing to do? I mean, I don't mean to offend or anything, but that's pretty fucking amoral right there. All the things I listed are perfectly legitimite ways to play games without paying full price. If you're too lazy or stubborn to do anything, then there might be something wrong. That's like, if you knew you could drive a car off the lot, take it for a test drive halfway across the country, and return it without a scratch without asking, you'd do it? I mean, sure, you're not hurting anyone, but what the fuck dude?
Even at the chance of going more offtopic, what the fuck dude yourself, when you look at the news at what's going on in the world, you'll notice the "it's the right thing to do" is rare as unicorns these days.
Okay, why the F would taxes in my country have to be raised to cover some fkin idiotic spending say Greece with the recent crisis has been doing the last decade? Their politicians were corrupt, people were INHERITING government paid pensions and now all the sudden coz they cheated into euro with falsified financial records, suddenly the 5 million people country here in the fkin northern wasteland has to pay insane pieces of that bill? (no offense to greeks here, just an example)
Where was the right thing for a good decade or 2 back there?
It's just the funniest true story ever, steal a grand and you're a thief, steal 1000 billion and it's finance policy. Geez.
Sorry for offtopic
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On December 01 2011 06:30 dementrio wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:26 HereAndNow wrote:
That's like, if you knew you could drive a car off the lot, take it for a test drive halfway across the country, and return it without a scratch without asking, you'd do it? I mean, sure, you're not hurting anyone, but what the fuck dude? That's like, if you could play music on your stream, would you play it?
How is that in any way relevant to the discussion?
On December 01 2011 06:29 Klondikebar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:26 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 06:22 Mammel wrote:On December 01 2011 06:02 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:49 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:45 HereAndNow wrote:On December 01 2011 05:39 Interloper wrote:On December 01 2011 05:31 Karnage77 wrote:
So many people here trying to justify stealing to ease their guilty minds. You are without permission, taking intellectual property that the owner intended to sell. If you don't have the money then you shouldn't have it.
We have access to gameplay footage on Youtube, tons of reviews, Blockbuster rentals, downloadable demos, and Gamefly. Don't tell me you don't know what game you're buying and need to just "test" it out via piracy (play the entire campaign). Same applies to music. Just because the song has the ability to be reproduced in a non-physical manner does not mean that you aren't stealing. They are SELLING entertainment. Are you not entertained? And there are so many people trying to defend companys who again and again make shitty content just for the sake of making money. Quality or happy customers are just a Bi-product in a best case scenario for these people. I do not understand how anyone can defend companys like Activision, Ubisoft or EA for all the shit they have pulled through the years. Piracy is the perfect method to tell a company to fuck off because it is the only way to target the only thing they care about, the money. Really? Your argument is "it's a shitty game, but I want to play it anyway"? No. If you think a game is crap, don't play it at all. Don't pirate it, don't buy it. Playing it in any way is showing them that you want to play it. If a game goes un-bought and un-pirated, they'll know it's shit. Don't act like you're some kind of Robin Hood trying to stick it to the man. They're providing a product that you don't like, but don't have to partake in. You're a stealing bastard, you're not teaching a lesson or anything. How am i to know it's a bad game if i can't take it for a test drive? The advertisment for the game is through the roof, everyone is talking about the game and how awesome it will be and every site who was able to play the game and write a review pre-release praises the game. Game comes out, i pay 50-70$ for it, and guess what it's shit. It's impossible to get a non biased view of the game if you don't play it yourself. Alright, here's a list of things you can do. 1) Go to Blockbuster, get a membership. You now have access to game rentals for a very reasonable rate. 2) Find a local Redbox. $2 a day for games. If you hate it, return it after a day. 3) Buy from a store rather than online. Returning a game within a few day sis usually a full refund, or at least in-store credit. 4) Play a demo. A good chunk of games nowadays have demos available. Not all, but many. 5) Play at a demo kiosk. Best Buy, Gamestop, Target, Walmart, and many other stores have these available for you to play on. 6) Wait on buying it until the price comes down. This is usually a month or two. If it's a game you're not for sure buying first day, you can usually afford to wait a few more weeks. 7) Find someone who has it, maybe a friend, or make friends who game. Play with them. And many more. There are ways to play games legally without buying them. And if you don't think you want to play a game... you don't have to have it. Just don't buy it, it won't kill you. Give me one reason why I should bother to do all that crap when I can just download it for free and see if it's good? Why do I need to 1. Pay and 2. do way more stuff, registering/going to shop/refunding in case it's bad, if I just want to test the game? As long as I won't get full access to the game for at least a few hours with just as much trouble as downloading it from piratebay, I'm going to download it. Because.... it's the right thing to do? I mean, I don't mean to offend or anything, but that's pretty fucking amoral right there. All the things I listed are perfectly legitimite ways to play games without paying full price. If you're too lazy or stubborn to do anything, then there might be something wrong. That's like, if you knew you could drive a car off the lot, take it for a test drive halfway across the country, and return it without a scratch without asking, you'd do it? I mean, sure, you're not hurting anyone, but what the fuck dude? You shouldn't be surprised when people scoff at the "because it's the right thing to do" reasoning. It's pretty arbitrary to tell someone that they can't enjoy something just because.
Alright. I know a guy with a psychological disorder. He's antisocial in the psychological meaning, that is, he likes to hurt other people. He takes medicine to control it.
If he could realistically get away with killing, say, your pet (or someone else's pet if you don't have one), and not get caught for it, why not? He enjoys it just because.
There's a reason we hail philosophers in every era: because humanity is a moral people. Going against that not only hurts yourself and the other person, but humanity as a whole.
/moralityrant
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I pirated Amnesia at first, and ended up buying it 2 times afterwords. Once for me, and once as a gift to my roommate. I don't think I would've taken the chance to buy the game based off of what I read online as I really didn't think it could possibly be as scary as it was. In that sense, I think pirating is alright if you have the morality to use it more like a demo. I must say though, the main reason I bought it was because I knew how much of a small scale operation it was, and loved the quality that came from it.
However I feel like a bit of a hypocrite because I don't really see downloading something of much larger scale that bad. If I pirated a mass marketed game such as one of the Modern Warfares, I wouldn't feel bad at all. I have also downloaded Photoshop in the past, and I would never pay that much for a program. I don't really feel too guilty about it.
Funny thing that forced me to go buy a game one time was one of the Zeldas for the DS. I have an R4 so I can play roms like normal games on my DS, and I got to one of the locations and a whole part to get off the train was removed due to anti piracy detection.
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Truth is, pirate versions of games are easily available and will continue to be unless the entertainment issue gets their way lobbying draconian cencorship laws. Which obviously cannot be allowed.
If you are buying games from companies that you want to support, yes, this gives you a moral high ground over most pirates. You vote with your wallet and help drive game development into a good direction. I practice this too.
I don't see pirating in itself a bad thing by default - failure to support good game development when you have the means to do so certainly makes you a dick.
What game developers can do to combat piracy is giving players more options to support them directly, and providing good service in return.
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On December 01 2011 06:31 Mammel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2011 06:21 Yergidy wrote:On November 30 2011 22:35 Inori wrote:
2.) People download because they can't afford it. 60 euro for a new game is too damn high (insert the too damn high meme here). In fact until recently I pirated 99% of games I played simply because I didn't have the heart to ask my parents for 1/8th of their monthly salary (yeah, min wage is low here) just so I could play a game for 4-5 hours.
Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that? Sorry, but no-one owns the copy I download. Someone does own that Lamborgini. You're taking someones property, I am not. You can't steal something that has no owner. But, for your sake, let's say it's stealing. Why the fuck should I care? Should I just sit in front of computer and watch the screensaver when I don't have the money to buy a game? Or should I "steal" it without any consequences. The only difference is, that you have something to do. No-one loses money, no-one gains money.
Or you could, you know, have a hobby that you can afford and is legal. Go running, play futbol, date people, take long walks on the beach.
You act like "welp, if I'm not playing games, I might as well kill myself". That's a stupid argument.
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Music - 3 hits 15 trash fillers
Games - Create a boss game costing you a lot of money, but big returns as well. Then creating a shitty sequel riding on the fame of the previous title.
Movies - Same thing as games. Followed by big production companies making crap because people have faith that their product will be good because they saw X movie from them a year ago.
If they stopped producing crap all the time to pad their pockets I would buy everything I want. Now, I gamefly and blockbuster almost everything before purchase because I don't feel like they actually put effort in making a game/movie I will enjoy, but making a game/movie I might pay for because I might be a sucker.
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On December 01 2011 06:30 chickenhawk wrote:Show nested quote +Damn I can't afford that Lamborgini, guess I will just take it off the lot for free anyway... Seriously? What kind of point is that? That analogy does not work since you cannot copy a Lamborgini. Copying is not stealing. You could copy a Lamborgini if you wanted and no one would care about that. (different story if you tried to sell it)
Copying a game, movie, or music is against the law if it's distributed, for sale or for free, or is not for use of the purchaser. You are depriving the publisher/developer money they earned making and distributing the game if you give it away for free just like if you went to the store and took it off the shelf. So yes the analogy stands, especially if you read how he worded his point.
The people who make games are protected under the same copyright laws that protect music and movies and I believe people who put their time, effort, money, and souls into their "product", even if you can't touch it, should get the money they deserve for creating it. It is called Intellectual Property Rights and it is a part of the Copyright Laws.
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