On November 24 2011 20:36 linuxfag wrote: Hey there, hard rocking liquidbros!
I didn't find a thread on here dedicated to some of the more extreme subgenres of metal out there, so I thought I'd go ahead and create one.
The idea here is to exchange ideas, lists and youtube videos of our favorite bands in the genre stated in the topic or genres akin to those -- NOT to argue like little children about the correctness of the labels/subgenres people use about their bands.. I'm sure I've already rubbed quite a few people the wrong way with my labels so far.. I don't really care -- you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Alright then!
I recently discovered that Animals as Leaders just released a new album, Weightless (2011), and boy oh boy is it awesome. "Instrumental progmetal/djent." Check this out: Animals as Leaders - Isolated Incidents (youtube)
The ever more extreme Meshuggah with a live recording from Tokyo. Don't be discouraged, the audio quality is superb! "Extreme metal, djent." Meshuggah - Rational Gaze (live, tokyo)
The last on I want to share right now (I have no idea if the thread will be popular enough for me to really bother posting more -- I need to explore moar bands/your suggestions!) is some "trashmetal/deathmetal" Love those guys. Taking the "classical" metalsound (early Metallica, "trash") and being truly awesome with it :D Decadence - Silent Weapon (For a Quiet War)
I have great hopes for this thread, so please don't spoil it with silly arguments about "the correct" naming of subgenres and for the love of that is good -- DON'T Q.Q about growls/scream complaining that ain't music.
NB: Nu Metal is absolutely banned, not at all akin to the genres stated, I don't want to see it. There. GL&HF&GG&GM
I cringe the moment I see people call Meshuggah a Djent band.
I cringe the moment I see people using Djent as a musical genre. Funny how the person that coined the term and the person that made it popular both think it's retarded people use it as a genre. Djent is the onomatopoeia of a heavily palm muted power chord with the added two octaves (therefore it uses 4 strings). Fredrik Thordendal of Meshuggah used the word to describe the sound of this palm mute sound on their album None way back in 1994. Funny how people even call their albums like Nothing ''djent'' even though there's not a single actual djent chord found on the album.
10 years later you have a guy named Misha Mansoor that starts using those in his songs (Insomnia beginning is a perfect example), and then his band Periphery becomes huge and everyone starts ripping on him, and now everything that sounds like Periphery and that uses palm mutes and groovy riffs is automatically djent, no matter if you use the djent chord or not. Both Thordendal and Mansoor (mostly Mansoor) have stated that they really don't use the djent chord all that much anymore, and that if they really want a perfect example of what REAL Djent is, go listen to Aztec 2-steps by Meshuggah. Djent chords from beginning to end (and it doesn't sound anything like what you guys consider ''djent''.)
On November 24 2011 20:36 linuxfag wrote: Hey there, hard rocking liquidbros!
I didn't find a thread on here dedicated to some of the more extreme subgenres of metal out there, so I thought I'd go ahead and create one.
The idea here is to exchange ideas, lists and youtube videos of our favorite bands in the genre stated in the topic or genres akin to those -- NOT to argue like little children about the correctness of the labels/subgenres people use about their bands.. I'm sure I've already rubbed quite a few people the wrong way with my labels so far.. I don't really care -- you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Alright then!
I recently discovered that Animals as Leaders just released a new album, Weightless (2011), and boy oh boy is it awesome. "Instrumental progmetal/djent." Check this out: Animals as Leaders - Isolated Incidents (youtube)
The ever more extreme Meshuggah with a live recording from Tokyo. Don't be discouraged, the audio quality is superb! "Extreme metal, djent." Meshuggah - Rational Gaze (live, tokyo)
The last on I want to share right now (I have no idea if the thread will be popular enough for me to really bother posting more -- I need to explore moar bands/your suggestions!) is some "trashmetal/deathmetal" Love those guys. Taking the "classical" metalsound (early Metallica, "trash") and being truly awesome with it :D Decadence - Silent Weapon (For a Quiet War)
I have great hopes for this thread, so please don't spoil it with silly arguments about "the correct" naming of subgenres and for the love of that is good -- DON'T Q.Q about growls/scream complaining that ain't music.
NB: Nu Metal is absolutely banned, not at all akin to the genres stated, I don't want to see it. There. GL&HF&GG&GM
I cringe the moment I see people call Meshuggah a Djent band.
I cringe the moment I see people using Djent as a musical genre. Funny how the person that coined the term and the person that made it popular both think it's retarded people use it as a genre. Djent is the onomatopoeia of a heavily palm muted power chord with the added two octaves (therefore it uses 4 strings). Fredrik Thordendal of Meshuggah used the word to describe the sound of this palm mute sound on their album None way back in 1994. Funny how people even call their albums like Nothing ''djent'' even though there's not a single actual djent chord found on the album.
10 years later you have a guy named Misha Mansoor that starts using those in his songs (Insomnia beginning is a perfect example), and then his band Periphery becomes huge and everyone starts ripping on him, and now everything that sounds like Periphery and that uses palm mutes and groovy riffs is automatically djent, no matter if you use the djent chord or not. Both Thordendal and Mansoor (mostly Mansoor) have stated that they really don't use the djent chord all that much anymore, and that if they really want a perfect example of what REAL Djent is, go listen to Aztec 2-steps by Meshuggah. Djent chords from beginning to end (and it doesn't sound anything like what you guys consider ''djent''.)
This might be of some interest:
I do not think djent is a genre, its a community, a scene.
On November 24 2011 20:36 linuxfag wrote: Hey there, hard rocking liquidbros!
I didn't find a thread on here dedicated to some of the more extreme subgenres of metal out there, so I thought I'd go ahead and create one.
The idea here is to exchange ideas, lists and youtube videos of our favorite bands in the genre stated in the topic or genres akin to those -- NOT to argue like little children about the correctness of the labels/subgenres people use about their bands.. I'm sure I've already rubbed quite a few people the wrong way with my labels so far.. I don't really care -- you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Alright then!
I recently discovered that Animals as Leaders just released a new album, Weightless (2011), and boy oh boy is it awesome. "Instrumental progmetal/djent." Check this out: Animals as Leaders - Isolated Incidents (youtube)
The ever more extreme Meshuggah with a live recording from Tokyo. Don't be discouraged, the audio quality is superb! "Extreme metal, djent." Meshuggah - Rational Gaze (live, tokyo)
The last on I want to share right now (I have no idea if the thread will be popular enough for me to really bother posting more -- I need to explore moar bands/your suggestions!) is some "trashmetal/deathmetal" Love those guys. Taking the "classical" metalsound (early Metallica, "trash") and being truly awesome with it :D Decadence - Silent Weapon (For a Quiet War)
I have great hopes for this thread, so please don't spoil it with silly arguments about "the correct" naming of subgenres and for the love of that is good -- DON'T Q.Q about growls/scream complaining that ain't music.
NB: Nu Metal is absolutely banned, not at all akin to the genres stated, I don't want to see it. There. GL&HF&GG&GM
I cringe the moment I see people call Meshuggah a Djent band.
I cringe the moment I see people using Djent as a musical genre. Funny how the person that coined the term and the person that made it popular both think it's retarded people use it as a genre. Djent is the onomatopoeia of a heavily palm muted power chord with the added two octaves (therefore it uses 4 strings). Fredrik Thordendal of Meshuggah used the word to describe the sound of this palm mute sound on their album None way back in 1994. Funny how people even call their albums like Nothing ''djent'' even though there's not a single actual djent chord found on the album.
10 years later you have a guy named Misha Mansoor that starts using those in his songs (Insomnia beginning is a perfect example), and then his band Periphery becomes huge and everyone starts ripping on him, and now everything that sounds like Periphery and that uses palm mutes and groovy riffs is automatically djent, no matter if you use the djent chord or not. Both Thordendal and Mansoor (mostly Mansoor) have stated that they really don't use the djent chord all that much anymore, and that if they really want a perfect example of what REAL Djent is, go listen to Aztec 2-steps by Meshuggah. Djent chords from beginning to end (and it doesn't sound anything like what you guys consider ''djent''.)
This might be of some interest:
I do not think djent is a genre, its a community, a scene.
Sure it's what it's become over time, but it's such a redundant genre or scene that I really don't see the point to it. Most ''djent'' band keep pointing how they prefer not to be called that during interviews and that rather just be called ''progressive metal'' or just ''agressive music'' over any of that bullshit. The critera for being a djent band are stupider than any other genre or scene I can think of. Basically if you hvae over 2000$ in guitar gear and uses palm mute, your band is djent because your palm mutes sound so tight.
And then you have absolutely clueless people like the guy I answered to, that cringes when people associate djent and meshuggah, even though it all comes from them. Hilarious.
On November 25 2011 05:48 Abraxas514 wrote: I don't want to be as negative as ZombieNostalgia was, but I really don't understand why metalheads obsess about the taxonomy of particular bands....
and why bands feel like they must create their own genus/specie for every album (or song?)
It's kind of ridiculous. It's like saying Quebec and Ontario are different "brands of democracy" (or any other 2 states).
(This isn't a criticism of the music, just the extreme taxonomizing that happens with metal)
Do think it would be simpler to just get rid of sub genres?
I just feel like it's easier for people who know what they like to be able to find more stuff they like based upon a label.
On November 25 2011 05:48 Abraxas514 wrote: I don't want to be as negative as ZombieNostalgia was, but I really don't understand why metalheads obsess about the taxonomy of particular bands....
and why bands feel like they must create their own genus/specie for every album (or song?)
It's kind of ridiculous. It's like saying Quebec and Ontario are different "brands of democracy" (or any other 2 states).
(This isn't a criticism of the music, just the extreme taxonomizing that happens with metal)
Do think it would be simpler to just get rid of sub genres?
I just feel like it's easier for people who know what they like to be able to find more stuff they like based upon a label.
It is in theory. The problem is when people start calling bands ''mathcore'' because one of their fill is in 5/4 and djent because they have a groovy riff and technical death metal because there's a sweeped arpeggio in a solo.
Granted I only learned of periphery a couple months ago and have known of meshuggah for much longer, but bulb (lead guitar from periphery) seems to have pretty much defined the current "djent" tone/sound hehe
Personally I much prefer periphery as well, but that's just me.
On November 25 2011 05:48 Abraxas514 wrote: I don't want to be as negative as ZombieNostalgia was, but I really don't understand why metalheads obsess about the taxonomy of particular bands....
and why bands feel like they must create their own genus/specie for every album (or song?)
It's kind of ridiculous. It's like saying Quebec and Ontario are different "brands of democracy" (or any other 2 states).
(This isn't a criticism of the music, just the extreme taxonomizing that happens with metal)
Do think it would be simpler to just get rid of sub genres?
I just feel like it's easier for people who know what they like to be able to find more stuff they like based upon a label.
It is in theory. The problem is when people start calling bands ''mathcore'' because one of their fill is in 5/4 and djent because they have a groovy riff and technical death metal because there's a sweeped arpeggio in a solo.
This is the problem. I understand that if you are interested in how atoms bond with one another, you study chemistry, and if you want to know what the mechanism that drives the bonding is, you study physics. But music is not science. And such defined taxonomy is contrary to the whole appeal of "write whatever the fuck inspires you, and if it's good people will like it".
Now a metal band has to worry about using that sweeped arpeggio because they will alienate a whole crowd who "fukin hates technical metal and only listens to metalcore"
What I suggest is not to use such definitive terminology and describe music more as "punky, screamy, chuggy, heavy" as opposed to metalcore, death metal, black metal or power metal (I hope those were right! fuckin arpeggios.)
On November 25 2011 06:21 Neurosis wrote: Wow I had never heard of Periphery before, that is just fucking awful. It's like a pop rip off of Meshuggah with some core vox thrown in.
ignore the vocals, they are utter trash
luckily their self-titled album has an instrumental version (which is all I listen to)
Awww yee. Cloudkicker is sooo good. The Discovery still my fav album by him though.
I still need to check out Let Yourself Be Huge (new album). From what I heard it's even more laid back than Beacons, haha.
The new album(s) is/are incredible man. They are very very chill (mostly acoustic) but really it's excellent music. You can download all of his work for free from his website for those that don't know.
On November 25 2011 05:48 Abraxas514 wrote: I don't want to be as negative as ZombieNostalgia was, but I really don't understand why metalheads obsess about the taxonomy of particular bands....
and why bands feel like they must create their own genus/specie for every album (or song?)
It's kind of ridiculous. It's like saying Quebec and Ontario are different "brands of democracy" (or any other 2 states).
(This isn't a criticism of the music, just the extreme taxonomizing that happens with metal)
Do think it would be simpler to just get rid of sub genres?
I just feel like it's easier for people who know what they like to be able to find more stuff they like based upon a label.
It is in theory. The problem is when people start calling bands ''mathcore'' because one of their fill is in 5/4 and djent because they have a groovy riff and technical death metal because there's a sweeped arpeggio in a solo.
This is the problem. I understand that if you are interested in how atoms bond with one another, you study chemistry, and if you want to know what the mechanism that drives the bonding is, you study physics. But music is not science. And such defined taxonomy is contrary to the whole appeal of "write whatever the fuck inspires you, and if it's good people will like it".
Now a metal band has to worry about using that sweeped arpeggio because they will alienate a whole crowd who "fukin hates technical metal and only listens to metalcore"
What I suggest is not to use such definitive terminology and describe music more as "punky, screamy, chuggy, heavy" as opposed to metalcore, death metal, black metal or power metal (I hope those were right! fuckin arpeggios.)
This could be as equally as messy. I don't see how you could make this into a more concise way of organizing music.
On November 25 2011 06:31 ZombieNostalgia wrote: This could be as equally as messy. I don't see how you could make this into a more concise way of organizing music.
Concise way of organizing music zzz catch 22
Music is way too analog to be categorized so specifically.
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