I didn't find a thread on here dedicated to some of the more extreme subgenres of metal out there, so I thought I'd go ahead and create one.
The idea here is to exchange ideas, lists and youtube videos of our favorite bands in the genre stated in the topic or genres akin to those -- NOT to argue like little children about the correctness of the labels/subgenres people use about their bands.. I'm sure I've already rubbed quite a few people the wrong way with my labels so far.. I don't really care -- you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Alright then!
I recently discovered that Animals as Leaders just released a new album, Weightless (2011), and boy oh boy is it awesome. "Instrumental progmetal/djent." Check this out: Animals as Leaders - Isolated Incidents (youtube)
The ever more extreme Meshuggah with a live recording from Tokyo. Don't be discouraged, the audio quality is superb! "Extreme metal, djent." Meshuggah - Rational Gaze (live, tokyo)
The last on I want to share right now (I have no idea if the thread will be popular enough for me to really bother posting more -- I need to explore moar bands/your suggestions!) is some "trashmetal/deathmetal" Love those guys. Taking the "classical" metalsound (early Metallica, "trash") and being truly awesome with it :D Decadence - Silent Weapon (For a Quiet War)
I have great hopes for this thread, so please don't spoil it with silly arguments about "the correct" naming of subgenres and for the love of that is good -- DON'T Q.Q about growls/scream complaining that ain't music.
NB: Nu Metal is absolutely banned, not at all akin to the genres stated, I don't want to see it. There. GL&HF&GG&GM
Nice thread. Neuraxis is on my radar now . My two contributions is probably not exactly what the OP is looking for, but what the heck...
Ulcerate is very atmospheric metal (it takes some listening to really discover the atmospheric part though), while playing some weird brutal death metal. Somewhat technical and kick ass drummer: Ulcerate - Dead Oceans
Anaal Nathrakh is not really death metal (but then again, I can't really put any label on them) and not so technical, but it is one of the most extreme bands out there. And they tend to be blazing fast! Anaal Nathrakh - Blood Eagles Carved On The Backs Of Innocents
not to be an ass hole here, but i kind of already started a thread on Djent specifically, which i put a decent amount of effort into, hoping it would get bumped at some point, which it doesnt. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=239228
Dont know what else to say, love the music, just wish my thread would get some lovin
Also i just wrote djent into the search and found my thread and theres a mathrock thread as well, not sure if its the same as mathcore, but its there.
On November 24 2011 22:07 rebuffering wrote: not to be an ass hole here, but i kind of already started a thread on Djent specifically, which i put a decent amount of effort into, hoping it would get bumped at some point, which it doesnt. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=239228
Dont know what else to say, love the music, just wish my thread would get some lovin
Also i just wrote djent into the search and found my thread and theres a mathrock thread as well, not sure if its the same as mathcore, but its there.
Great thread, rebuffering. Really deserves some lovin! Superb djent bands posted there! Mathrock and Mathcore share the fact that odd time signatures is preferred, but that's about it I think.. Mathrock is really cool as well. Don Caballero for instance.. I'll try and find that thread.. Heck I'll post what the almighty, alknowing wikipedia says about it:
Mathcore is a rhythmically complex and dissonant style of metalcore. It has its roots in bands such as Converge,[1] Botch,[2][3] and The Dillinger Escape Plan.[4] The term mathcore is suggested by analogy with math rock. Both math rock and mathcore make use of unusual time signatures. Math rock groups such as Slint, Don Caballero, Shellac, and Drive Like Jehu have some influence on mathcore, though mathcore is more closely related to metalcore. Prominent mathcore groups have been associated with grindcore.[5][6][7][8][9]
Great idea for a thread, been listening to this type of music for a couple of years now so hopefully I can show you guys some stuff you've never heard!
My recommendations:
Monuments - Relatively new tech/prog/djent band from the UK. Made up of some former members of a band named Fellsilent which were the same genre. You may or may not of heard of them. Have their debut album coming out soon.
TesseracT - Another UK band. They have a more melodic style, but some beautiful tracks none the less. They are just starting to make their name, touring with enormously famous bands like Between the Buried and Me.
Vildhjarta - I believe these guys are Swedish, forgive me if I got that wrong. Added them here because once again, I feel like they have a unique sound which is sometimes hard to find in this genre. They actually class themselves as "Ambidjent".
On November 24 2011 20:36 linuxfag wrote: Hey there, hard rocking liquidbros!
I didn't find a thread on here dedicated to some of the more extreme subgenres of metal out there, so I thought I'd go ahead and create one.
The idea here is to exchange ideas, lists and youtube videos of our favorite bands in the genre stated in the topic or genres akin to those -- NOT to argue like little children about the correctness of the labels/subgenres people use about their bands.. I'm sure I've already rubbed quite a few people the wrong way with my labels so far.. I don't really care -- you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Alright then!
I recently discovered that Animals as Leaders just released a new album, Weightless (2011), and boy oh boy is it awesome. "Instrumental progmetal/djent." Check this out: Animals as Leaders - Isolated Incidents (youtube)
The ever more extreme Meshuggah with a live recording from Tokyo. Don't be discouraged, the audio quality is superb! "Extreme metal, djent." Meshuggah - Rational Gaze (live, tokyo)
The last on I want to share right now (I have no idea if the thread will be popular enough for me to really bother posting more -- I need to explore moar bands/your suggestions!) is some "trashmetal/deathmetal" Love those guys. Taking the "classical" metalsound (early Metallica, "trash") and being truly awesome with it :D Decadence - Silent Weapon (For a Quiet War)
I have great hopes for this thread, so please don't spoil it with silly arguments about "the correct" naming of subgenres and for the love of that is good -- DON'T Q.Q about growls/scream complaining that ain't music.
NB: Nu Metal is absolutely banned, not at all akin to the genres stated, I don't want to see it. There. GL&HF&GG&GM
I cringe the moment I see people call Meshuggah a Djent band.
On November 24 2011 20:36 linuxfag wrote: Hey there, hard rocking liquidbros!
I didn't find a thread on here dedicated to some of the more extreme subgenres of metal out there, so I thought I'd go ahead and create one.
The idea here is to exchange ideas, lists and youtube videos of our favorite bands in the genre stated in the topic or genres akin to those -- NOT to argue like little children about the correctness of the labels/subgenres people use about their bands.. I'm sure I've already rubbed quite a few people the wrong way with my labels so far.. I don't really care -- you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Alright then!
I recently discovered that Animals as Leaders just released a new album, Weightless (2011), and boy oh boy is it awesome. "Instrumental progmetal/djent." Check this out: Animals as Leaders - Isolated Incidents (youtube)
The ever more extreme Meshuggah with a live recording from Tokyo. Don't be discouraged, the audio quality is superb! "Extreme metal, djent." Meshuggah - Rational Gaze (live, tokyo)
The last on I want to share right now (I have no idea if the thread will be popular enough for me to really bother posting more -- I need to explore moar bands/your suggestions!) is some "trashmetal/deathmetal" Love those guys. Taking the "classical" metalsound (early Metallica, "trash") and being truly awesome with it :D Decadence - Silent Weapon (For a Quiet War)
I have great hopes for this thread, so please don't spoil it with silly arguments about "the correct" naming of subgenres and for the love of that is good -- DON'T Q.Q about growls/scream complaining that ain't music.
NB: Nu Metal is absolutely banned, not at all akin to the genres stated, I don't want to see it. There. GL&HF&GG&GM
I cringe the moment I see people call Meshuggah a Djent band.
And why is Textures not in this list?
Djent is the what that people call the bands that are heavily inspired my Meshuggah (as in: Playing with the excact same sound), so calling Meshuggah djent really isn't that weird...
I cringe the moment I see people call Meshuggah a Djent band.
And why is Textures not in this list?
Textures is a great band too. As I wrote in my OP, I didn't want to sit many hours compiling a huge list of bands I like -- if the thread was going to insta-die anyways.. Perhaps you could link to a Textures track you really enjoy? You are also welcome to actually contribute if you feel like it. So, it seems there's a lot of djentlemen on liquid, sweet! :D Would be nice with some more techdeath suggestions (or something akin to that)^^
While not a fan of Djent and most metal in general, I would think Converge belongs in this thread. They've got a lot of trash and death influences but i believe they label themselves as hardcore/mathcore Great clip of them live
On November 24 2011 20:36 linuxfag wrote: Hey there, hard rocking liquidbros!
I didn't find a thread on here dedicated to some of the more extreme subgenres of metal out there, so I thought I'd go ahead and create one.
The idea here is to exchange ideas, lists and youtube videos of our favorite bands in the genre stated in the topic or genres akin to those -- NOT to argue like little children about the correctness of the labels/subgenres people use about their bands.. I'm sure I've already rubbed quite a few people the wrong way with my labels so far.. I don't really care -- you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Alright then!
I recently discovered that Animals as Leaders just released a new album, Weightless (2011), and boy oh boy is it awesome. "Instrumental progmetal/djent." Check this out: Animals as Leaders - Isolated Incidents (youtube)
The ever more extreme Meshuggah with a live recording from Tokyo. Don't be discouraged, the audio quality is superb! "Extreme metal, djent." Meshuggah - Rational Gaze (live, tokyo)
The last on I want to share right now (I have no idea if the thread will be popular enough for me to really bother posting more -- I need to explore moar bands/your suggestions!) is some "trashmetal/deathmetal" Love those guys. Taking the "classical" metalsound (early Metallica, "trash") and being truly awesome with it :D Decadence - Silent Weapon (For a Quiet War)
I have great hopes for this thread, so please don't spoil it with silly arguments about "the correct" naming of subgenres and for the love of that is good -- DON'T Q.Q about growls/scream complaining that ain't music.
NB: Nu Metal is absolutely banned, not at all akin to the genres stated, I don't want to see it. There. GL&HF&GG&GM
I cringe the moment I see people call Meshuggah a Djent band.
And why is Textures not in this list?
Djent is the what that people call the bands that are heavily inspired my Meshuggah (as in: Playing with the excact same sound), so calling Meshuggah djent really isn't that weird...
Considering the fact that meshuggah has been around quite a lot longer than any "djent" band and is usually considered death metal, I find the usage of Djent rather out of place. The name Djent implies just another hip, temporary genre, not unlike like metalcore and emocore a few years ago. I've also noticed that typical Djent bands are a whole less technical than Meshuggah are, and a lot easier to listen to. Iirc, the name Djent is also rather new. I prefer the name math metal, since it's more encompassing and has been around for a whole while longer.
Now, on Textures. I actually really recommend their latest album, Dualism, but their best song is still Storm Warning because it basically summarizes everything the band stands for musically in a single song.
A thread combining techdeath and Djent/Mathcore feels awkward. ;P
Nonetheless I'm really looking forward to the outcome! Bands in Spoiler are which I posted so far (Spawn of Possession, the Shattering, Fleshgod Apocalypse, Viraemia, Braindrill, Slaughterbox): + Show Spoiler +
On November 25 2011 00:14 Fritzkefit wrote: A thread combining techdeath and Djent/Mathcore feels awkward. ;P
Hehe, I get your point. Usually metalheads are very picky, especially ones who's into techdeath, listening almost exclusively to that.. That's just not me . I just checked out Theory in Practice and... wow.. just wow.. Playing a bit guitar myself I gotta say, the stuff they write is just so.. batshit crazy progressive (mathlike, rather) :D I gotta check out more of them..
Any of you guys know SikTh? "Prog-metal/metalcore/mathcore, yet their sound is (sometimes) pretty soft (and filled with hooks)" ..So sad they disbanded.. One of their heavier songs I recommend:
Sikth - Sanguine Seas Of Bigotry (the audioquality is pretty bad on that one, sorry)
Sikth - Part of the Friction (On a softer note, a little on the emo side tho (plz dont kill me)):
Heck, their whole album Death of a Dead Day is worth a listen if you're not techdeath'er exclusively..
I'm quite surprised nobody posted these guys, Behold...The Arctopus, they have only one CD out afaik and they are just out of the world technically and are really good at composing weird and innovative music, you can watch a couple of samples and hear these, i also encourage to DL/buy their album "skullgrind" because it is just so worth it if you like the genre:
This video is pretty bad quality but you can just see how good they are.
This one, nothing to see but you can hear their music quite well.
Tech Death is the best kind of metal! It's complex, violent and yet very melodic at the same time, everything I like in music. Death is probably THE band to listen to (their last 4 albums although I would recommend Sound of Perseverance for people not familiar with the style).
My modest contribution from France : Gorod. This band is simply amazing. They're just crazy good with their instruments but always use their technique to produce amazing melodies.
Was just listening to this song when I got home...
Wow, Decrepit Birth is truly awesome! Thanks for sharing <3
On November 24 2011 23:48 giblaz wrote:
Damn this song is great, thanks for sharing.
You're welcome If you like this song, you should really check out the whole album. It has some awesome riffs/melodies... Also, the rest of the songs actually has vocals on them
This is a thread to the most boring genres in metal. There is so little variety in bands in the genres usually. They just try to be super technical most of the time and they seriously lack in good song structure. Djent isn't even a genre. It's pretty much really technical progressive metal. Mathcore is pretty dumb as well. The only decent thing I see from the whole scene is Calculating Infinity. Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
On November 25 2011 04:48 ZombieNostalgia wrote: This is a thread to the most boring genres in metal. There is so little variety in bands in the genres usually. They just try to be super technical most of the time and they seriously lack in good song structure. Djent isn't even a genre. It's pretty much really technical progressive metal. Mathcore is pretty dumb as well. The only decent thing I see from the whole scene is Calculating Infinity. Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
Step 2: Go to the SC forums and tell everyone how bad SC is..
Step 3: Go to Facebook and post how bad FB is....
Seriously, if you dont like the genre, dont call it dumb and boring. The only thing you achieve is that you derail the thread into a useless discussion about taste and different (sub)genres
On November 25 2011 04:48 ZombieNostalgia wrote: This is a thread to the most boring genres in metal. There is so little variety in bands in the genres usually. They just try to be super technical most of the time and they seriously lack in good song structure. Djent isn't even a genre. It's pretty much really technical progressive metal. Mathcore is pretty dumb as well. The only decent thing I see from the whole scene is Calculating Infinity. Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
There is some good tech death out there. As with any genre there is a lot of crap but there are also some great bands to be heard.
Chuck Schuldiner was one of the greatest song writers of any genre of music ever.
Necrophagist get a lot of shit for being that typical tech death band that sacrifices song writing for flash but I don't think thats really the case.
On November 25 2011 04:48 ZombieNostalgia wrote: This is a thread to the most boring genres in metal. There is so little variety in bands in the genres usually. They just try to be super technical most of the time and they seriously lack in good song structure. Djent isn't even a genre. It's pretty much really technical progressive metal. Mathcore is pretty dumb as well. The only decent thing I see from the whole scene is Calculating Infinity. Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
Step 2: Go to the SC forums and tell everyone how bad SC is..
Step 3: Go to Facebook and post how bad FB is....
Seriously, if you dont like the genre, dont call it dumb and boring. The only thing you achieve is that you derail the thread into a useless discussion about taste and different (sub)genres
The fact that this thread exists is pretty redundant. There is a death metal thread and a general metal thread. How am I derailing it? I'm saying I don't like it and explaining why.
On November 25 2011 04:48 ZombieNostalgia wrote: This is a thread to the most boring genres in metal. There is so little variety in bands in the genres usually. They just try to be super technical most of the time and they seriously lack in good song structure. Djent isn't even a genre. It's pretty much really technical progressive metal. Mathcore is pretty dumb as well. The only decent thing I see from the whole scene is Calculating Infinity. Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
There is some good tech death out there. As with any genre there is a lot of crap but there are also some great bands to be heard.
Chuck Schuldiner was one of the greatest song writers of any genre of music ever.
Death is pretty much Old School Death metal. Scream bloody gore, human and Leprosy are pretty damn good but after that I don't care for them as much as most people do.
In my opinion, Necrophagist is one of the main offenders of the whole tech wank thing. I used to be a fan of them but the more I explored death metal the more I realized it was pretty mediocre.
Origin has one decent album. The rest are pretty generic.
Like I said there is already a death metal thread, if you like DM you should check it out there is some good stuff posted there.
On November 25 2011 04:48 ZombieNostalgia wrote: This is a thread to the most boring genres in metal. There is so little variety in bands in the genres usually. They just try to be super technical most of the time and they seriously lack in good song structure. Djent isn't even a genre. It's pretty much really technical progressive metal. Mathcore is pretty dumb as well. The only decent thing I see from the whole scene is Calculating Infinity. Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
As someone who is deeply invovled in the djent community, I would like to think that the majority of informed fans do not think it is a genre, technical progressive is pretty much it. I also second the Spawn of Possession rec.
Some essential, well-written tech:
And some completely OTT, ridiculous wank, which there is a place for in my heart
On November 25 2011 04:48 ZombieNostalgia wrote: This is a thread to the most boring genres in metal. There is so little variety in bands in the genres usually. They just try to be super technical most of the time and they seriously lack in good song structure. Djent isn't even a genre. It's pretty much really technical progressive metal. Mathcore is pretty dumb as well. The only decent thing I see from the whole scene is Calculating Infinity. Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
Step 2: Go to the SC forums and tell everyone how bad SC is..
Step 3: Go to Facebook and post how bad FB is....
Seriously, if you dont like the genre, dont call it dumb and boring. The only thing you achieve is that you derail the thread into a useless discussion about taste and different (sub)genres
The fact that this thread exists is pretty redundant. There is a death metal thread and a general metal thread. How am I derailing it? I'm saying I don't like it and explaining why.
Sorrry, I didnt want to sound offensive. I actually agree that one thread for extreme metal could be enough. Fact is that many metal fans really are just into one subgenre and lose interest in a thread when there is much discussion about a subgenre they dont care for. Therefor, it is (imo) ok that there are more threads for the different genres. Most of your post sounded (to me at least) like you were just telling fans of tech death that it is dumb and boring
Honestly I just don't see why certain bands get so much praise. Like you can be technical and have great songwriting skills. It doesn't hurt to write a riff that isn't over the top wanking. I just tend to favor OSDM and stuff because of the heavy favor to write good technical riffs but not normally go over the top. Obviously there are exceptions as there are to every type of music. Here is a fairly techy death metal band.
On November 24 2011 20:36 linuxfag wrote: Hey there, hard rocking liquidbros!
I didn't find a thread on here dedicated to some of the more extreme subgenres of metal out there, so I thought I'd go ahead and create one.
The idea here is to exchange ideas, lists and youtube videos of our favorite bands in the genre stated in the topic or genres akin to those -- NOT to argue like little children about the correctness of the labels/subgenres people use about their bands.. I'm sure I've already rubbed quite a few people the wrong way with my labels so far.. I don't really care -- you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Alright then!
I recently discovered that Animals as Leaders just released a new album, Weightless (2011), and boy oh boy is it awesome. "Instrumental progmetal/djent." Check this out: Animals as Leaders - Isolated Incidents (youtube)
The ever more extreme Meshuggah with a live recording from Tokyo. Don't be discouraged, the audio quality is superb! "Extreme metal, djent." Meshuggah - Rational Gaze (live, tokyo)
The last on I want to share right now (I have no idea if the thread will be popular enough for me to really bother posting more -- I need to explore moar bands/your suggestions!) is some "trashmetal/deathmetal" Love those guys. Taking the "classical" metalsound (early Metallica, "trash") and being truly awesome with it :D Decadence - Silent Weapon (For a Quiet War)
I have great hopes for this thread, so please don't spoil it with silly arguments about "the correct" naming of subgenres and for the love of that is good -- DON'T Q.Q about growls/scream complaining that ain't music.
NB: Nu Metal is absolutely banned, not at all akin to the genres stated, I don't want to see it. There. GL&HF&GG&GM
I cringe the moment I see people call Meshuggah a Djent band.
I cringe the moment I see people using Djent as a musical genre. Funny how the person that coined the term and the person that made it popular both think it's retarded people use it as a genre. Djent is the onomatopoeia of a heavily palm muted power chord with the added two octaves (therefore it uses 4 strings). Fredrik Thordendal of Meshuggah used the word to describe the sound of this palm mute sound on their album None way back in 1994. Funny how people even call their albums like Nothing ''djent'' even though there's not a single actual djent chord found on the album.
10 years later you have a guy named Misha Mansoor that starts using those in his songs (Insomnia beginning is a perfect example), and then his band Periphery becomes huge and everyone starts ripping on him, and now everything that sounds like Periphery and that uses palm mutes and groovy riffs is automatically djent, no matter if you use the djent chord or not. Both Thordendal and Mansoor (mostly Mansoor) have stated that they really don't use the djent chord all that much anymore, and that if they really want a perfect example of what REAL Djent is, go listen to Aztec 2-steps by Meshuggah. Djent chords from beginning to end (and it doesn't sound anything like what you guys consider ''djent''.)
On November 24 2011 20:36 linuxfag wrote: Hey there, hard rocking liquidbros!
I didn't find a thread on here dedicated to some of the more extreme subgenres of metal out there, so I thought I'd go ahead and create one.
The idea here is to exchange ideas, lists and youtube videos of our favorite bands in the genre stated in the topic or genres akin to those -- NOT to argue like little children about the correctness of the labels/subgenres people use about their bands.. I'm sure I've already rubbed quite a few people the wrong way with my labels so far.. I don't really care -- you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Alright then!
I recently discovered that Animals as Leaders just released a new album, Weightless (2011), and boy oh boy is it awesome. "Instrumental progmetal/djent." Check this out: Animals as Leaders - Isolated Incidents (youtube)
The ever more extreme Meshuggah with a live recording from Tokyo. Don't be discouraged, the audio quality is superb! "Extreme metal, djent." Meshuggah - Rational Gaze (live, tokyo)
The last on I want to share right now (I have no idea if the thread will be popular enough for me to really bother posting more -- I need to explore moar bands/your suggestions!) is some "trashmetal/deathmetal" Love those guys. Taking the "classical" metalsound (early Metallica, "trash") and being truly awesome with it :D Decadence - Silent Weapon (For a Quiet War)
I have great hopes for this thread, so please don't spoil it with silly arguments about "the correct" naming of subgenres and for the love of that is good -- DON'T Q.Q about growls/scream complaining that ain't music.
NB: Nu Metal is absolutely banned, not at all akin to the genres stated, I don't want to see it. There. GL&HF&GG&GM
I cringe the moment I see people call Meshuggah a Djent band.
I cringe the moment I see people using Djent as a musical genre. Funny how the person that coined the term and the person that made it popular both think it's retarded people use it as a genre. Djent is the onomatopoeia of a heavily palm muted power chord with the added two octaves (therefore it uses 4 strings). Fredrik Thordendal of Meshuggah used the word to describe the sound of this palm mute sound on their album None way back in 1994. Funny how people even call their albums like Nothing ''djent'' even though there's not a single actual djent chord found on the album.
10 years later you have a guy named Misha Mansoor that starts using those in his songs (Insomnia beginning is a perfect example), and then his band Periphery becomes huge and everyone starts ripping on him, and now everything that sounds like Periphery and that uses palm mutes and groovy riffs is automatically djent, no matter if you use the djent chord or not. Both Thordendal and Mansoor (mostly Mansoor) have stated that they really don't use the djent chord all that much anymore, and that if they really want a perfect example of what REAL Djent is, go listen to Aztec 2-steps by Meshuggah. Djent chords from beginning to end (and it doesn't sound anything like what you guys consider ''djent''.)
This might be of some interest:
I do not think djent is a genre, its a community, a scene.
On November 24 2011 20:36 linuxfag wrote: Hey there, hard rocking liquidbros!
I didn't find a thread on here dedicated to some of the more extreme subgenres of metal out there, so I thought I'd go ahead and create one.
The idea here is to exchange ideas, lists and youtube videos of our favorite bands in the genre stated in the topic or genres akin to those -- NOT to argue like little children about the correctness of the labels/subgenres people use about their bands.. I'm sure I've already rubbed quite a few people the wrong way with my labels so far.. I don't really care -- you get the jist of what I'm saying, right? Alright then!
I recently discovered that Animals as Leaders just released a new album, Weightless (2011), and boy oh boy is it awesome. "Instrumental progmetal/djent." Check this out: Animals as Leaders - Isolated Incidents (youtube)
The ever more extreme Meshuggah with a live recording from Tokyo. Don't be discouraged, the audio quality is superb! "Extreme metal, djent." Meshuggah - Rational Gaze (live, tokyo)
The last on I want to share right now (I have no idea if the thread will be popular enough for me to really bother posting more -- I need to explore moar bands/your suggestions!) is some "trashmetal/deathmetal" Love those guys. Taking the "classical" metalsound (early Metallica, "trash") and being truly awesome with it :D Decadence - Silent Weapon (For a Quiet War)
I have great hopes for this thread, so please don't spoil it with silly arguments about "the correct" naming of subgenres and for the love of that is good -- DON'T Q.Q about growls/scream complaining that ain't music.
NB: Nu Metal is absolutely banned, not at all akin to the genres stated, I don't want to see it. There. GL&HF&GG&GM
I cringe the moment I see people call Meshuggah a Djent band.
I cringe the moment I see people using Djent as a musical genre. Funny how the person that coined the term and the person that made it popular both think it's retarded people use it as a genre. Djent is the onomatopoeia of a heavily palm muted power chord with the added two octaves (therefore it uses 4 strings). Fredrik Thordendal of Meshuggah used the word to describe the sound of this palm mute sound on their album None way back in 1994. Funny how people even call their albums like Nothing ''djent'' even though there's not a single actual djent chord found on the album.
10 years later you have a guy named Misha Mansoor that starts using those in his songs (Insomnia beginning is a perfect example), and then his band Periphery becomes huge and everyone starts ripping on him, and now everything that sounds like Periphery and that uses palm mutes and groovy riffs is automatically djent, no matter if you use the djent chord or not. Both Thordendal and Mansoor (mostly Mansoor) have stated that they really don't use the djent chord all that much anymore, and that if they really want a perfect example of what REAL Djent is, go listen to Aztec 2-steps by Meshuggah. Djent chords from beginning to end (and it doesn't sound anything like what you guys consider ''djent''.)
This might be of some interest:
I do not think djent is a genre, its a community, a scene.
Sure it's what it's become over time, but it's such a redundant genre or scene that I really don't see the point to it. Most ''djent'' band keep pointing how they prefer not to be called that during interviews and that rather just be called ''progressive metal'' or just ''agressive music'' over any of that bullshit. The critera for being a djent band are stupider than any other genre or scene I can think of. Basically if you hvae over 2000$ in guitar gear and uses palm mute, your band is djent because your palm mutes sound so tight.
And then you have absolutely clueless people like the guy I answered to, that cringes when people associate djent and meshuggah, even though it all comes from them. Hilarious.
On November 25 2011 05:48 Abraxas514 wrote: I don't want to be as negative as ZombieNostalgia was, but I really don't understand why metalheads obsess about the taxonomy of particular bands....
and why bands feel like they must create their own genus/specie for every album (or song?)
It's kind of ridiculous. It's like saying Quebec and Ontario are different "brands of democracy" (or any other 2 states).
(This isn't a criticism of the music, just the extreme taxonomizing that happens with metal)
Do think it would be simpler to just get rid of sub genres?
I just feel like it's easier for people who know what they like to be able to find more stuff they like based upon a label.
On November 25 2011 05:48 Abraxas514 wrote: I don't want to be as negative as ZombieNostalgia was, but I really don't understand why metalheads obsess about the taxonomy of particular bands....
and why bands feel like they must create their own genus/specie for every album (or song?)
It's kind of ridiculous. It's like saying Quebec and Ontario are different "brands of democracy" (or any other 2 states).
(This isn't a criticism of the music, just the extreme taxonomizing that happens with metal)
Do think it would be simpler to just get rid of sub genres?
I just feel like it's easier for people who know what they like to be able to find more stuff they like based upon a label.
It is in theory. The problem is when people start calling bands ''mathcore'' because one of their fill is in 5/4 and djent because they have a groovy riff and technical death metal because there's a sweeped arpeggio in a solo.
Granted I only learned of periphery a couple months ago and have known of meshuggah for much longer, but bulb (lead guitar from periphery) seems to have pretty much defined the current "djent" tone/sound hehe
Personally I much prefer periphery as well, but that's just me.
On November 25 2011 05:48 Abraxas514 wrote: I don't want to be as negative as ZombieNostalgia was, but I really don't understand why metalheads obsess about the taxonomy of particular bands....
and why bands feel like they must create their own genus/specie for every album (or song?)
It's kind of ridiculous. It's like saying Quebec and Ontario are different "brands of democracy" (or any other 2 states).
(This isn't a criticism of the music, just the extreme taxonomizing that happens with metal)
Do think it would be simpler to just get rid of sub genres?
I just feel like it's easier for people who know what they like to be able to find more stuff they like based upon a label.
It is in theory. The problem is when people start calling bands ''mathcore'' because one of their fill is in 5/4 and djent because they have a groovy riff and technical death metal because there's a sweeped arpeggio in a solo.
This is the problem. I understand that if you are interested in how atoms bond with one another, you study chemistry, and if you want to know what the mechanism that drives the bonding is, you study physics. But music is not science. And such defined taxonomy is contrary to the whole appeal of "write whatever the fuck inspires you, and if it's good people will like it".
Now a metal band has to worry about using that sweeped arpeggio because they will alienate a whole crowd who "fukin hates technical metal and only listens to metalcore"
What I suggest is not to use such definitive terminology and describe music more as "punky, screamy, chuggy, heavy" as opposed to metalcore, death metal, black metal or power metal (I hope those were right! fuckin arpeggios.)
On November 25 2011 06:21 Neurosis wrote: Wow I had never heard of Periphery before, that is just fucking awful. It's like a pop rip off of Meshuggah with some core vox thrown in.
ignore the vocals, they are utter trash
luckily their self-titled album has an instrumental version (which is all I listen to)
Awww yee. Cloudkicker is sooo good. The Discovery still my fav album by him though.
I still need to check out Let Yourself Be Huge (new album). From what I heard it's even more laid back than Beacons, haha.
The new album(s) is/are incredible man. They are very very chill (mostly acoustic) but really it's excellent music. You can download all of his work for free from his website for those that don't know.
On November 25 2011 05:48 Abraxas514 wrote: I don't want to be as negative as ZombieNostalgia was, but I really don't understand why metalheads obsess about the taxonomy of particular bands....
and why bands feel like they must create their own genus/specie for every album (or song?)
It's kind of ridiculous. It's like saying Quebec and Ontario are different "brands of democracy" (or any other 2 states).
(This isn't a criticism of the music, just the extreme taxonomizing that happens with metal)
Do think it would be simpler to just get rid of sub genres?
I just feel like it's easier for people who know what they like to be able to find more stuff they like based upon a label.
It is in theory. The problem is when people start calling bands ''mathcore'' because one of their fill is in 5/4 and djent because they have a groovy riff and technical death metal because there's a sweeped arpeggio in a solo.
This is the problem. I understand that if you are interested in how atoms bond with one another, you study chemistry, and if you want to know what the mechanism that drives the bonding is, you study physics. But music is not science. And such defined taxonomy is contrary to the whole appeal of "write whatever the fuck inspires you, and if it's good people will like it".
Now a metal band has to worry about using that sweeped arpeggio because they will alienate a whole crowd who "fukin hates technical metal and only listens to metalcore"
What I suggest is not to use such definitive terminology and describe music more as "punky, screamy, chuggy, heavy" as opposed to metalcore, death metal, black metal or power metal (I hope those were right! fuckin arpeggios.)
This could be as equally as messy. I don't see how you could make this into a more concise way of organizing music.
On November 25 2011 06:31 ZombieNostalgia wrote: This could be as equally as messy. I don't see how you could make this into a more concise way of organizing music.
Concise way of organizing music zzz catch 22
Music is way too analog to be categorized so specifically.
Probably my favorite band in the entire genre. /meh gotta figure out how to embed vids already.
Yeah, Cynic are awesome if not a bit of an acquired taste. Don't like the newest EP so much though, it's not bad or anything but its not amazing either. Just click add image right next to link.
A new band that I have been listening to is Corelia, pretty much a Periphery clone. Lucasarts got them to change there name from Corellia to Corelia haha.
best part is like at :50 with the piano breakdown!
On November 25 2011 03:27 Merany wrote: Also, I really need to get my hand on Animal As Leaders, I've heard really good reviews of their last album. A shame I cannot find it on Spotify
Yeah, it used to exists there but for some reason it got removed -.-
On November 25 2011 03:27 Merany wrote: Also, I really need to get my hand on Animal As Leaders, I've heard really good reviews of their last album. A shame I cannot find it on Spotify
Yeah, it used to exists there but for some reason it got removed -.-
Buy it on iTunes guys, it's worth the money x100. I've listened to that album like 50-100 times i'm pretty sure. I think its personally way better than their new album too.
Was just listening to this song when I got home...
"Reminds me kinda of Death this band does, of course cant't compare and is still not as good, but it's refreshing to see some melodic stuff and instrumentals with philisophical ideas, just like Death. R.I.P. Chuck Schuldiner"
-youtubecommentmanguy
That's the first thing i fucking thought when i listened to that track. sounds like a more modern version of death. if that means their other tracks are like em, i gotta check em out!
lol yes. Matt Sotelo writes all those songs and all he does is smoke weed and listen to Death's discography. That's why it sounds ''similar''.
Except for the first DB album which is just standard 250 bpm brutal death metal. Imagine Suffocation with more notes I guess.
This is interesting. I've been listening to a lot of this music for a while now, but this is the first time I've ever come across the term, "Djent". I'll have to look into it more.
Probably my favorite band in the entire genre. /meh gotta figure out how to embed vids already.
Yeah, Cynic are awesome if not a bit of an acquired taste. Don't like the newest EP so much though, it's not bad or anything but its not amazing either. Just click add image right next to link.
cynic are awesome. I'd go back a bit, I didn't like traced in air that much either (aside integral birth, i fucking loved that track!) however i wouldn't classify traced in air as djent. or whatever that means, and there first album is more tech death, but i fucking love cynic, brb focus.
Traced in Air is pretty much a Prog Rock album with almost no relation to Focus. Personally, I love both albums, but regardless of your feelings towards either one, it should be understood that they're very different, and were probably meant to be that way.
Hehe, I get your point. Usually metalheads are very picky, especially ones who's into techdeath, listening almost exclusively to that.. That's just not me .
Well I'm definitively a techdeath/death guy. I love djent aswell (at least some bands)...was just wondering about the idea to combine such diverse genres into one thread Listening to Sikth right now sounds good so far...
On November 25 2011 04:48 ZombieNostalgia wrote: This is a thread to the most boring genres in metal. There is so little variety in bands in the genres usually. They just try to be super technical most of the time and they seriously lack in good song structure. Djent isn't even a genre. It's pretty much really technical progressive metal. Mathcore is pretty dumb as well. The only decent thing I see from the whole scene is Calculating Infinity. Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
Lol was about to complain but then you mentioned Spawn of Possession ;D You're right considering Djent. Most Bands really do sound the same.
On November 25 2011 04:48 ZombieNostalgia wrote: This is a thread to the most boring genres in metal. There is so little variety in bands in the genres usually. They just try to be super technical most of the time and they seriously lack in good song structure. Djent isn't even a genre. It's pretty much really technical progressive metal. Mathcore is pretty dumb as well. The only decent thing I see from the whole scene is Calculating Infinity. Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
That's nice that you have an opinion and all, but I can't see why you would feel the need to come post that in this thread.
This thread is awesome! 4 new youtube-favorites so far
Also: Why can't I call Djent a genre just because Meshuggah invented the term? Words change their meaning over time. I feel Djent is good sounding short name which by now describes Periphery-like music because everyone by now connects that kind of music to Djent. I actually didn't know it derived from chord and thats interesting and all but... you got my point? xD
This doesn't fit in here quite well, but i feel like posting it here ;P
On November 25 2011 04:48 ZombieNostalgia wrote: Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
It's funny that you think Spawn of Possession is good tech death, since SoP is pretty much just Dmitri Shostakovich's string quartets played with contemporary instruments.
On November 25 2011 04:48 ZombieNostalgia wrote: Tech death is in my opinion the most boring and generic death metal out there. Almost every band has terrible song writing abilities. Just over the top wank every song. If you want some good tech death albums check out Spawn of Possession Cabinet and Noctambulent.
It's funny that you think Spawn of Possession is good tech death, since SoP is pretty much just Dmitri Shostakovich's string quartets played with contemporary instruments.
I specifically noted those two albums. Those are good albums. Not completely plagued by wankery. I guess I fucked up my grammar though. I meant to say to check out Spawn of Possession's Cabinet and Noctambulent. I figured if I was going to complain about a certain type of music I could provide an example or two of what I assume is better/ decent since I listen to large amount of DM.
Was just listening to this song when I got home...
"Reminds me kinda of Death this band does, of course cant't compare and is still not as good, but it's refreshing to see some melodic stuff and instrumentals with philisophical ideas, just like Death. R.I.P. Chuck Schuldiner"
-youtubecommentmanguy
That's the first thing i fucking thought when i listened to that track. sounds like a more modern version of death. if that means their other tracks are like em, i gotta check em out!
Yep, they continue Chuck's legacy of cramming as many notes into a song as unhumanly possible while still keeping a strong sense of melody and song writing. I would recommend checking out Diminishing Between Worlds over their latest, Polarity. Polarity is good but Diminishing is just amazing. Also +1 to Ulcerate, fucking awesome band.
I just wanted to push this thread and thank the OP for introducing Neuraxis. I bought the album Asylon and it is one of the best albums I have listened to for a long time.
On January 06 2012 20:19 kochujang wrote: I just wanted to push this thread and thank the OP for introducing Neuraxis. I bought the album Asylon and it is one of the best albums I have listened to for a long time.
Warms my heart!
Oh, by the way... u guise herd? Meshuggah has announced new studio album to be realeased! Coming out on 26th of March it seems. Boy oh boy, can't wait!
EPT
. My two contributions is probably not exactly what the OP is looking for, but what the heck...
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