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This is what happends when religion becomes a law instead of a belief ;P.
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On November 24 2011 15:49 garlicface wrote:
What the fuck is going on in this thread?
we just heard a wonderful sermon from jesusoursaviour
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religious people are long-winded and never bereft of answers, it is annoying at the best of times.
Yet, annoyance would be a dream for this poor girl. Sadly, this is the state of the game in some countries around the world. Color me - not surprised in the least.
Fair question though, will the child be born "dirty?" I'm assuming she will give birth in prison, does the child of this situation carry any stigma?
so nonsensical. so very religious. sad face.
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On November 24 2011 14:02 Zvek wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 13:54 killa_robot wrote:
Its Afghanistan, its not as though its a civilized country.
This is just terrible. In your opinion, what makes a country civilized or not? And in your opinion, please list down the civilized and non civilized country that you know.
While I won't list a bunch of countries, as that would be pointless, I'll tell you what qualifies a country as civilized.
- Equality in law for people of all races and genders (LAW, not society)
- Minimal fear of the government harming its own citizens for their own benefit
- Minimal fear of citizens attacking people for religious/personal beliefs (Keep in mind this means in general, plenty of countries that are civilized have ghettos where this may happen)
- Separation of religion and government, to a reasonable extent
Afghanistan does not fulfill all of these requirements, therefore they are not civilized.
Now feel free to actually input something rather than just ask questions.
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On November 24 2011 16:09 Rebel_lion wrote:
religious people are long-winded and never bereft of answers, it is annoying at the best of times.
Yet, annoyance would be a dream for this poor girl. Sadly, this is the state of the game in some countries around the world. Color me - not surprised in the least.
Fair question though, will the child be born "dirty?" I'm assuming she will give birth in prison, does the child of this situation carry any stigma?
so nonsensical. so very religious. sad face.
I'm a mormon, and the answer is certainly no, to the child being born "dirty." The sin is on the man, squarely, and the child did not sin, and neither did the mother. It's a terribly unfortunate situation, but to blame a child for a situation entirely out of its own control, is silly and contradictory to the gospel of personal repentance for individual accountability for sin taught by the Savior.
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On November 24 2011 17:43 dOofuS wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 16:09 Rebel_lion wrote:
religious people are long-winded and never bereft of answers, it is annoying at the best of times.
Yet, annoyance would be a dream for this poor girl. Sadly, this is the state of the game in some countries around the world. Color me - not surprised in the least.
Fair question though, will the child be born "dirty?" I'm assuming she will give birth in prison, does the child of this situation carry any stigma?
so nonsensical. so very religious. sad face. I'm a mormon, and the answer is certainly no, to the child being born "dirty." The sin is on the man, squarely, and the child did not sin, and neither did the mother. It's a terribly unfortunate situation, but to blame a child for a situation entirely out of its own control, is silly and contradictory to the gospel of personal repentance for individual accountability for sin taught by the Savior.
Maybe not for Mormons, but fundamental Christianity ends up at the same conclusion when you're not cherry picking scripture.
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Holy SHIT close this thread.
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On November 24 2011 14:49 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 00:34 Zvek wrote:On November 24 2011 00:04 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On November 23 2011 23:43 Zvek wrote:On November 23 2011 23:36 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Mandatory education of religious texts often puts people off religion. Because they do-not-teach-relationship-with-God and depravity of man. If they truly taught you both of those central themes of God's truth (relationship with God <3 + depravity of man) and actually tried to answer the big questions students ask (i.e. Why is there suffering? What is the devil? Why the devil? Why the fall? Why the cross?), then you guys at least would be informed unbelievers. Unfortunately, most people are unbelievers and uninformed. : (((((((
I can't say "F!@# you" to God for you. You need to say that yourself. And then you see his response to you is not punishment as one expects, but love and forgiveness. He is your Father and He cares for you more than you can ever know. It is sad people have distorted God so much when Jesus was all about loving the lost and punishing those who refuse to admit their sin.
Hi JesusOurSaviour, I'm interested in those points you brought up. I hope you could enlighten. 1. How should we approach religious/Catholic belief then? 2. What does faith teach us about suffering, a fundamental function of life? 3. What do they tell us - the devil, fall, cross, etc - about belief or life in general that is not an abstraction? Thanks  I see what you did there My response is spoilered, since it is long. + Show Spoiler +
1. You need to take a look at every religious leader, every institutionalised religion and ask yourself: He says he is christian. But does he follow what his God teaches? Or He says he is muslim. Does he follow the pillars of islam?
So if the catholic church claims to be the authority of God, yet puts Christ' name in utter shame, hardening the hearts of the entire european spiritual climate, then what in the name of Satan are they doing? With this in mind, we must not judge individual catholics, of whom there are genuine followers of Christ Jesus and live a biblical-mandated life of love and gospel-outreach.
2. Faith in Jesus Christ is the answer to all the problems of this world. Don't laugh yet, listen.
Suffering was not part of creation. "And he saw that it was good" was the proclamation God made after each day of creation. It was good. Adam and Eve stood across from each other, naked and not ashamed. Then Genesis ch3 happened. The devil tempted them by shoving a wedge of distrust between Adam + Eve and God. He convinced Adam and Eve that God wasn't good. That God was some kind of evil Father who denied them knowledge and denied them like a stingy and bitter Father. Eve stopped trusting God and ate. Adam did the same, he was there the whole time and also submitted to the devil. Thus suffering entered the world. "If you eat of that fruit, you will surely die". Thus, sin and death entered humanity as well as the entire creation. Animals started eating animals. Animals started dying. Humans no longer lived eternally under the provision of God. Humans died and returned to the dust. Death, decay, sickness, suffering are all one package that entered mankind, collectively known as the "curse of the fall".
This is the short account of how suffering came about.
Why does it continue to exist? Why doesn't God do something about suffering?
He has.
Jesus came to earth as a man, to redeem mankind for it's trespasses. One might ask: But mankind is good right?
Yes - we are made in the image of God (though it is seared by sin), and we are capable of doing good. You have all helped charities which have come knocking on your door.
What of evil then?
Matey you have surely done plenty of evil. In God's sight, evil is defiling. He is holy beyond our imagination. Not one bit of sin is tolerable in His holy presence. Thus, man and his lawlessness cannot enter the dwelling of God. All sin must be dealt with. God is the ultimate fair judge - who Himself being perfect, is able to judge fairly in all cases. No man who rapes, murders, steals, envies, hates, lusts, lies, is full of greed or is disobedient to parents can get away. This is the ultimate law court.
What about suffering? Well like we've already mentioned: Genesis ch3. is when the "curse of the fall" came to mankind and all of creation. The rest of the Old testament describes the evils of humanity and all of it's broken characters.
So then, what is God's plan to end the suffering? It was revealed in Genesis ch3 right after the fall of Man.
"15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.” "
This was the promise from God that a seed of the woman (the Man Christ Jesus) would one day crush satan.
This has partially been achieved at the cross where Jesus died and rose again. For no man has conquered death and death was Satan's ultimate weapon. Satan's power of temptation ultimately lies in the lie that man will die and that this life IS ALL THERE IS. But Jesus in pouring out His blood for the sins of mankind on the painful cross, and by rising again to life, has conquered death. Anyone who believes in Jesus is thus effectively baptised with Jesus in His death, and thus has his sins forgiven him. For Jesus has taken his sin and this man is justified before God. This ofcourse comes about through grace. (grace = gift of love which is not deserved, but undeserved and free).
God's plan to destroy suffering will be fully revealed at the second coming of Christ - the final day of judgement and the renewing of the heavens and earth (Revelations 21). Satan will be chained forevermore. All evil will be judged and punished. Suffering will cease. All will be renewed, Lions will lie next to lambs. We will never weep, be sick, nor thirst.
Blessed is God who abounds in steadfast love, Amen.
3. Sorry I don't comprehend the "not an abstraction" part. Could you please explain in a PM? Sorry about it, I read 3. a few times and really don't get what you are asking for. @__@ !! I will update this post once you explain it in another way. Sorry!!!
Hope you have gained some biblical perspectives on life, feel free to PM me, anybody that is.
Most instructive. I want to share this to others, and for them to participate, so I hope you don't mind if i post here instead of PM. I asked this: 3. What do they tell us - the devil, fall, cross, etc - about belief or life in general that is not an abstraction?Let me rephrase. These significant themes of Catholic literature - evil, the fall, the messiah, the cross, and even older once, like brotherhood and forgiveness, which run the length of Cain and Abel, up until Joseph the Dreamer, and some say, was culminated in Jesus himself ("Father, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing") have all been read textually, contextually, ontologically, hermeneutically, etc., by many, usually to serve a particular purpose, and most of the time, laughably ignorantly so. Now, all the time, the message/reading has always been tautological, something that exists already within the confines of Catholic faith, that is, God is Love, repent for your sins, man is weak but can be saved, and ultimately, and this is the grand scheme of religious belief, there is a grand plan where the original state of being will be restored. Like I said, while they make you feel good and hopeful, they are at best abstractions. In buddhist terms, all this affair with faith, Catholic, Islam, any, is comfined within the wheel of life - just as man is confined within the wheel of life, and just as God/the gods are confined in the wheel of life. Therefore, if I may paraphrase Buddha at the risk of oversimplification, faith, specifically belief in god is not useful/instructive in going about life. One has to tap a inner wellspring of morality/ethics that may or may not be caused by the divine, but certainly operates without it. On this note, what is this organic message that can be derived from all the Catholic themes? Thanks a lot. Thanks for the clarification Zvek. Show nested quote +Like I said, while they make you feel good and hopeful, they are at best abstractions. It seems that you have made yourself quite friendly towards the oriental philosophies and utterly rejected the message of the one and true God in an a priori manner. Let me tell you: the bible is the word of God. It has all, I repeat, all the answers to life. It is not some backwards text written to trick people. It was written by 40 or so authors over 1500 years, recording God's word and His interaction with the people whom He loved and made in His image. It was not written so that man could interpret to his own gain. For " these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." (John 20) That is the purpose. That you may know the saviour of this world personally and then, live out the life to serve Him and your fellow mankind in love. Once again I repeat to all who are reading this: God is your Father, whether you choose to run away and waste away your life like the prodigal son, God is your Father and He will continue to love you. The problem here is our point of view I guess. You (and the rest of europe) have rejected the scriptures due to a variety of reasons; Catholic hypocrisy, state-institutionalised churches, liberalisation of the faith, materialism just to name a few. I am a Christian because after I read the gospels I believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. He has given me His holy Spirit to understand all scriptures. Those who are blinded and are unbelieving will always "see and do not perceive, hear and do not understand" (as was prophesied against the Jews of the day). Thus, the lost will always make up excuses to not even try to seek God. Common ones range from "Jesus is a myth" to "Religion is for making people feel communal" to " Religious people do bad things and I am a good person". If you think you are good, I guess you can always test your goodness before God when Jesus returns to judge and renew the world. But I assure you: believing in any human philosophy will get you nowhere. Humans are flawed. "there is nothing new under the sun". Indeed - no matter how hard we try, greed, lust, wars, dissensions, envy, strife, and all other destructive ways will always pursue every man to his deathbed. Thanks be to God who gave His son for us that we may no longer be enslaved.
Do you have any evidence for any of this?
Here's how you know something is bogus; replace the claimed entity with the word "Thor" ... If the claim with the substitution is equally as strong and equally as evidenced, then you know that you have no reason to believe the original claim to be true.
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The thing is in the middle eastern cultures rape is seen to be the womans fault as they have supposedly 'seduced' the man into doing it...which is obviously completely idiotic. Thats why they wear those outfits that cover them from head to toe...because they are considered posessions of their husbands
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On November 24 2011 14:49 JesusOurSaviour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 00:34 Zvek wrote:On November 24 2011 00:04 JesusOurSaviour wrote:On November 23 2011 23:43 Zvek wrote:On November 23 2011 23:36 JesusOurSaviour wrote:
Mandatory education of religious texts often puts people off religion. Because they do-not-teach-relationship-with-God and depravity of man. If they truly taught you both of those central themes of God's truth (relationship with God <3 + depravity of man) and actually tried to answer the big questions students ask (i.e. Why is there suffering? What is the devil? Why the devil? Why the fall? Why the cross?), then you guys at least would be informed unbelievers. Unfortunately, most people are unbelievers and uninformed. : (((((((
I can't say "F!@# you" to God for you. You need to say that yourself. And then you see his response to you is not punishment as one expects, but love and forgiveness. He is your Father and He cares for you more than you can ever know. It is sad people have distorted God so much when Jesus was all about loving the lost and punishing those who refuse to admit their sin.
Hi JesusOurSaviour, I'm interested in those points you brought up. I hope you could enlighten. 1. How should we approach religious/Catholic belief then? 2. What does faith teach us about suffering, a fundamental function of life? 3. What do they tell us - the devil, fall, cross, etc - about belief or life in general that is not an abstraction? Thanks I see what you did there My response is spoilered, since it is long. + Show Spoiler +
1. You need to take a look at every religious leader, every institutionalised religion and ask yourself: He says he is christian. But does he follow what his God teaches? Or He says he is muslim. Does he follow the pillars of islam?
So if the catholic church claims to be the authority of God, yet puts Christ' name in utter shame, hardening the hearts of the entire european spiritual climate, then what in the name of Satan are they doing? With this in mind, we must not judge individual catholics, of whom there are genuine followers of Christ Jesus and live a biblical-mandated life of love and gospel-outreach.
2. Faith in Jesus Christ is the answer to all the problems of this world. Don't laugh yet, listen.
Suffering was not part of creation. "And he saw that it was good" was the proclamation God made after each day of creation. It was good. Adam and Eve stood across from each other, naked and not ashamed. Then Genesis ch3 happened. The devil tempted them by shoving a wedge of distrust between Adam + Eve and God. He convinced Adam and Eve that God wasn't good. That God was some kind of evil Father who denied them knowledge and denied them like a stingy and bitter Father. Eve stopped trusting God and ate. Adam did the same, he was there the whole time and also submitted to the devil. Thus suffering entered the world. "If you eat of that fruit, you will surely die". Thus, sin and death entered humanity as well as the entire creation. Animals started eating animals. Animals started dying. Humans no longer lived eternally under the provision of God. Humans died and returned to the dust. Death, decay, sickness, suffering are all one package that entered mankind, collectively known as the "curse of the fall".
This is the short account of how suffering came about.
Why does it continue to exist? Why doesn't God do something about suffering?
He has.
Jesus came to earth as a man, to redeem mankind for it's trespasses. One might ask: But mankind is good right?
Yes - we are made in the image of God (though it is seared by sin), and we are capable of doing good. You have all helped charities which have come knocking on your door.
What of evil then?
Matey you have surely done plenty of evil. In God's sight, evil is defiling. He is holy beyond our imagination. Not one bit of sin is tolerable in His holy presence. Thus, man and his lawlessness cannot enter the dwelling of God. All sin must be dealt with. God is the ultimate fair judge - who Himself being perfect, is able to judge fairly in all cases. No man who rapes, murders, steals, envies, hates, lusts, lies, is full of greed or is disobedient to parents can get away. This is the ultimate law court.
What about suffering? Well like we've already mentioned: Genesis ch3. is when the "curse of the fall" came to mankind and all of creation. The rest of the Old testament describes the evils of humanity and all of it's broken characters.
So then, what is God's plan to end the suffering? It was revealed in Genesis ch3 right after the fall of Man.
"15 And I will put enmity
between you and the woman,
and between your offspring and hers;
he will crush your head,
and you will strike his heel.” "
This was the promise from God that a seed of the woman (the Man Christ Jesus) would one day crush satan.
This has partially been achieved at the cross where Jesus died and rose again. For no man has conquered death and death was Satan's ultimate weapon. Satan's power of temptation ultimately lies in the lie that man will die and that this life IS ALL THERE IS. But Jesus in pouring out His blood for the sins of mankind on the painful cross, and by rising again to life, has conquered death. Anyone who believes in Jesus is thus effectively baptised with Jesus in His death, and thus has his sins forgiven him. For Jesus has taken his sin and this man is justified before God. This ofcourse comes about through grace. (grace = gift of love which is not deserved, but undeserved and free).
God's plan to destroy suffering will be fully revealed at the second coming of Christ - the final day of judgement and the renewing of the heavens and earth (Revelations 21). Satan will be chained forevermore. All evil will be judged and punished. Suffering will cease. All will be renewed, Lions will lie next to lambs. We will never weep, be sick, nor thirst.
Blessed is God who abounds in steadfast love, Amen.
3. Sorry I don't comprehend the "not an abstraction" part. Could you please explain in a PM? Sorry about it, I read 3. a few times and really don't get what you are asking for. @__@ !! I will update this post once you explain it in another way. Sorry!!!
Hope you have gained some biblical perspectives on life, feel free to PM me, anybody that is.
Most instructive. I want to share this to others, and for them to participate, so I hope you don't mind if i post here instead of PM. I asked this: 3. What do they tell us - the devil, fall, cross, etc - about belief or life in general that is not an abstraction?Let me rephrase. These significant themes of Catholic literature - evil, the fall, the messiah, the cross, and even older once, like brotherhood and forgiveness, which run the length of Cain and Abel, up until Joseph the Dreamer, and some say, was culminated in Jesus himself ("Father, forgive them for they do not know what they are doing") have all been read textually, contextually, ontologically, hermeneutically, etc., by many, usually to serve a particular purpose, and most of the time, laughably ignorantly so. Now, all the time, the message/reading has always been tautological, something that exists already within the confines of Catholic faith, that is, God is Love, repent for your sins, man is weak but can be saved, and ultimately, and this is the grand scheme of religious belief, there is a grand plan where the original state of being will be restored. Like I said, while they make you feel good and hopeful, they are at best abstractions. In buddhist terms, all this affair with faith, Catholic, Islam, any, is comfined within the wheel of life - just as man is confined within the wheel of life, and just as God/the gods are confined in the wheel of life. Therefore, if I may paraphrase Buddha at the risk of oversimplification, faith, specifically belief in god is not useful/instructive in going about life. One has to tap a inner wellspring of morality/ethics that may or may not be caused by the divine, but certainly operates without it. On this note, what is this organic message that can be derived from all the Catholic themes? Thanks a lot. Thanks for the clarification Zvek. Show nested quote +Like I said, while they make you feel good and hopeful, they are at best abstractions. It seems that you have made yourself quite friendly towards the oriental philosophies and utterly rejected the message of the one and true God in an a priori manner. Let me tell you: the bible is the word of God. It has all, I repeat, all the answers to life. It is not some backwards text written to trick people. It was written by 40 or so authors over 1500 years, recording God's word and His interaction with the people whom He loved and made in His image. It was not written so that man could interpret to his own gain. For " these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name." (John 20) That is the purpose. That you may know the saviour of this world personally and then, live out the life to serve Him and your fellow mankind in love. Once again I repeat to all who are reading this: God is your Father, whether you choose to run away and waste away your life like the prodigal son, God is your Father and He will continue to love you. The problem here is our point of view I guess. You (and the rest of europe) have rejected the scriptures due to a variety of reasons; Catholic hypocrisy, state-institutionalised churches, liberalisation of the faith, materialism just to name a few. I am a Christian because after I read the gospels I believed on the Lord Jesus Christ. He has given me His holy Spirit to understand all scriptures. Those who are blinded and are unbelieving will always "see and do not perceive, hear and do not understand" (as was prophesied against the Jews of the day). Thus, the lost will always make up excuses to not even try to seek God. Common ones range from "Jesus is a myth" to "Religion is for making people feel communal" to " Religious people do bad things and I am a good person". If you think you are good, I guess you can always test your goodness before God when Jesus returns to judge and renew the world. But I assure you: believing in any human philosophy will get you nowhere. Humans are flawed. "there is nothing new under the sun". Indeed - no matter how hard we try, greed, lust, wars, dissensions, envy, strife, and all other destructive ways will always pursue every man to his deathbed. Thanks be to God who gave His son for us that we may no longer be enslaved.
Oh that reminds me something...
I don't worship God. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons; first of all, I think he's a good actor. Ok. To me, that counts. Second; he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that god was having trouble with. For years I asked god to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog. Joe Pesci straightened that cock-sucker out with one visit.
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if she didn't want to get raped she should have buried herself in the ground
fucking slut
User was banned for this post.
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On November 24 2011 18:08 Skiblet wrote:
The thing is in the middle eastern cultures rape is seen to be the womans fault as they have supposedly 'seduced' the man into doing it...which is obviously completely idiotic. Thats why they wear those outfits that cover them from head to toe...because they are considered posessions of their husbands
Most rapes in Europe or the US are not reported today because of the feeling of shame associated with it.
Look at how men react when someone happens to have been raped, you will be very surprised. I understood hardcore feminists the day I saw a lot of people, and especially men taking the side of the offender in a case of rape that happened in my school (same all good arguments: "she was flirty" or "look how she was dressed", etc etc...)
Look also at how religious institutions react when someone get raped. You'll be surprised too.
Our institutions do protect victims, but that's because of a very hard struggle by feminists movements. 60 years ago, rapes were pretty much ignored. And still today, the mentalities of people in our societies are much less straightforward than it may seem when you listen to what people say. Their reaction in situation is often very different.
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If it makes you feel any better there are millions and millions and millions of people on this planet that can only dream to live like a quuen like the woman in this story, compared to what they have. Most of the real suffering isnt caused by religion, so i find most of the religion hate meaningless, as it usually only causes minor inconviniences like this.
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Rapes were not ignored, Biff. It was a crime that got people lynched, after all. However, for the crime of rape to exist, there must be both the actus reus and the mens rea, that is the penetration without consent and the knowledge that one is having sex without the consent of the woman. Given that the medical evidence often doesn't show more than that sex occured, and that rape cases often come down to the verbal testimony of the alleged victim against that of the alleged perpetrator, it should be hard to prove rape beyond reasonable doubt. Thats why the history of alleged victim was dredged up: because if you are going to send someone to prison or the chair on the basis of a person's word, you want make damn sure that she is of unimpeachable integrity.
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Is this one of those debates where someone white knights the american military and someone harkens them back to the age of the inquisition?
Oh wait its a general forum thread barely researched. Created with no attempt at non-bias or objectivity, let alone sourcing. my favorite part is it's ABL bait but with less "closed" content.
Yay!
EDIT: my favorite part is the title, because that's a fitting, objective, and non-misleading title
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On November 24 2011 18:53 Synwave wrote:
Is this one of those debates where someone white knights the american military and someone harkens them back to the age of the inquisition?
Oh wait its a general forum thread barely researched. Created with no attempt at non-bias or objectivity, let alone sourcing. my favorite part is it's ABL bait but with less "closed" content.
Yay!
EDIT: my favorite part is the title, because that's a fitting, objective, and non-misleading title
odd way of looking at it
the title may not be objective, but it does fit the facts
it is sourced... cnn is decently respectable
and forums dont have to be objective, it's about opinion... so yea
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Why do laws like this still exist in Afghanistan? Aren't the Talibans like... not in power anymore?
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On November 24 2011 17:24 killa_robot wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 14:02 Zvek wrote:On November 24 2011 13:54 killa_robot wrote:
Its Afghanistan, its not as though its a civilized country.
This is just terrible. In your opinion, what makes a country civilized or not? And in your opinion, please list down the civilized and non civilized country that you know. While I won't list a bunch of countries, as that would be pointless, I'll tell you what qualifies a country as civilized. - Equality in law for people of all races and genders (LAW, not society) - Minimal fear of the government harming its own citizens for their own benefit - Minimal fear of citizens attacking people for religious/personal beliefs (Keep in mind this means in general, plenty of countries that are civilized have ghettos where this may happen) - Separation of religion and government, to a reasonable extent Afghanistan does not fulfill all of these requirements, therefore they are not civilized. Now feel free to actually input something rather than just ask questions.
if I am not mistaken, that is only your definition of civilized.
for one, you are missing education.
(and how to define equality? it isn't so simple.)
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On November 24 2011 19:25 ETisME wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 17:24 killa_robot wrote:On November 24 2011 14:02 Zvek wrote:On November 24 2011 13:54 killa_robot wrote:
Its Afghanistan, its not as though its a civilized country.
This is just terrible. In your opinion, what makes a country civilized or not? And in your opinion, please list down the civilized and non civilized country that you know. While I won't list a bunch of countries, as that would be pointless, I'll tell you what qualifies a country as civilized. - Equality in law for people of all races and genders (LAW, not society) - Minimal fear of the government harming its own citizens for their own benefit - Minimal fear of citizens attacking people for religious/personal beliefs (Keep in mind this means in general, plenty of countries that are civilized have ghettos where this may happen) - Separation of religion and government, to a reasonable extent Afghanistan does not fulfill all of these requirements, therefore they are not civilized. Now feel free to actually input something rather than just ask questions. please bear in mind most of your points are your definition if civilized. for one, you are missing education. (and how to define equality? it isn't so simple.)
Oh yay a criticism that doesn't actually have any point or substance except to criticize.
Wooo...or something you were trying to say?
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On November 24 2011 19:32 Synwave wrote:Show nested quote +On November 24 2011 19:25 ETisME wrote:On November 24 2011 17:24 killa_robot wrote:On November 24 2011 14:02 Zvek wrote:On November 24 2011 13:54 killa_robot wrote:
Its Afghanistan, its not as though its a civilized country.
This is just terrible. In your opinion, what makes a country civilized or not? And in your opinion, please list down the civilized and non civilized country that you know. While I won't list a bunch of countries, as that would be pointless, I'll tell you what qualifies a country as civilized. - Equality in law for people of all races and genders (LAW, not society) - Minimal fear of the government harming its own citizens for their own benefit - Minimal fear of citizens attacking people for religious/personal beliefs (Keep in mind this means in general, plenty of countries that are civilized have ghettos where this may happen) - Separation of religion and government, to a reasonable extent Afghanistan does not fulfill all of these requirements, therefore they are not civilized. Now feel free to actually input something rather than just ask questions. please bear in mind most of your points are your definition if civilized. for one, you are missing education. (and how to define equality? it isn't so simple.) Oh yay a criticism that doesn't actually have any point or substance except to criticize. Wooo...or something you were trying to say?
if you define the key terms based upon your own definition, how do you expect the discussion can continue/develop??
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