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On November 02 2011 15:05 BreakerD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 14:22 jonathan1 wrote:
Everyone who does this is a fucking asshole. Any practice like this or worse is wrong. I don't give a fuck about culture, beating your kids isn't necessary to teach them write and wrong. You should care about culture and practices. For example the judge's father was probably disciplined the same way when he was growing up. Then the judge's father disciplines him the same way, and then the judge uses the same discipline on his daughter. It goes on like a chain. Chains are hard to break. To quote 2 pac's song from Changes, "Somethings will never change."
A good person reacts to abuse by understanding the pain it inflicted on them and vowing not to inflict that same pain on others. A bad person reacts to abuse by saying "Well, if I had to go through it, then I'm going to make my kids go through it, too." It's the difference between empathy and childish selfishness.
Good on his daughter for breaking the chain. She stood up to him in her own way, and I hope (at least) that his career is ruined by it.
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I don't understand how this kind of "discipline" is supposed to work. Getting spanked (or in this case, abuse) is a punishment unrelated to the action taken. This means it is removable.
For example, a hypothetical teenager does poorly in school because they never study. So let's say the parent's give their kid a good ol' spanking. The kid has learned that he will be punished by his parents for committing a specific action. The problem here is that the punishment is not a natural result of the action, and is therefore removable. Once the kid grows up and moves out, he will realize that the punishment is not longer going to occur. Suddenly this encourages the action that was supposed to be prevented. Why study in college when your parents are a hundred miles away? Party time!
Heaven forbid his parents taught him of the rewards and benefits of studying and the unavoidable long-term miseries of neglect. That would have taken effort on their part.
It would make more sense to teach a child somehow that there are natural, non-removable punishments for making bad decisions. Teach the kid that your body will naturally, unavoidably punish them for eating too much unhealthy food and not exercising. Don't just yell at them or spank them when they eat a whole box of cookies that you just bought, show them a picture of a fat kid and explain the consequences (lol?). If you punish them in unrelated ways (like a spanking for eating too much junk food before dinner) then what will they do when you're no longer around to punish them for it? You've taught them nothing except that pain hurts and that oh man it's gonna be so awesome to do all this shit with no consequences when I move out. Nice parenting.
[I know sometimes a kid deserves the physical treatment, but I think a lot of parents just take the lazy road and spank or 'paddle' their kids for every little bad thing. That's just missing opportunities to teach them something real that they can actually think about. If your kid kicks you in the leg for not buying them a toy, they need to be dealt with more severely, but the majority of the time it's just lazy and stupid to spank a kid.]
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On November 02 2011 15:02 r.Evo wrote:Gonna drop a bomb. tl;dr: Judge William Adams is apparently heavily biased in favor of child abusers in his judgements. Source: http://www.topix.com/forum/city/rockport-tx/TS7CCB70RHENQKER0Combine that with his sexual language and him basicly punishing his girl for growing older and you get a whole different picture.. Show nested quote +What do you mean? What child abuse?
Well, Judge William Adams has held that a child should be ignored when the child reports what a child psychologist has described as "horrific child abuse."
He has held that a child's report of child abuse is no evidence and that a parent and her lawyer who relies on what a child says should be sanctioned. He has ruled that it is frivolous to believe a child merely because the child is a child.
He has ignored the fact that the child's report of child abuse was corroborated by impartial third party witnesses who confirmed that the child was where he said he was, when he said he was, with people he said abused him, etc. Actually, he lied and said this evidence didn't even exist.
He has even held it is irrelevant a proposed child care provider is psychotic, homicidal, suicidal, hullucinatory, heavily drugged, etc.
Why would a judge do that? It can be inferred that his apparent affair with one of the child abusers may explain this bizarre behavior. He was observed caressing one of the child abuser's shoulders in the hallway outside the courtroom. That's strange.
One that is for sure it takes courage to look after children when the system is corrupt. We must do it. Edit, adding another reddit source: http://cashadvancecomplaints.com/2011/09/30/judge-william-adams-a-jurist-ahead-of-his-time/Show nested quote +We still do not know all the contours of the best interests of the child but we do know thanks to Judge William Adams the mental health of the primary child care provider is not relevant to "best interests." Show nested quote +
3) Children should never be believed. This includes a child who everybody describes as bright and honest. If a child says he was abused, he should be ignored. If a parent doesn't ignore the child, the parent should be sanctioned (and her lawyer).
4) Similarly, if child says he has been abused, the alleged abuser should be asked whether he abused the child. If the alleged abuser denies the abuse, the issue should be dropped.
5) If the child says various people were present during the abuse, then those people have no relevance as witnesses. If the child's parents attempts to question them, she should be sanctioned (and her lawyer also).
6) If the child says he was abused at a restaurant, but people who abused the child deny having been at the restaurant at the relevant time, it is irrelevant that two waiters at the restaurant say they were there.
7) All children are fantasizers all the time; thus, anyone, who believes a child is frivolous and must be sanctioned.
8) If there is no videotape of something, it should not be presented in Court. No videotape, then it didn't happen.
9) Written communication don't count; only phone calls.
10) If a witness he doesn't have a clue what the charts he present mean or how they were created, then this means the charts are conclusive proof.
These are just a few "Judge William Adams" pearls of judicial wisdom. His wisdom is too vast to be learned in just one lesson.
Of course he is. The guy beats his own daughter and he believes it to be 'necessary.' -_-
He's a total ass.
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On November 02 2011 15:05 BreakerD wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 14:33 R3demption wrote:
My parents disciplined me growing up and I wholeheartedly believe it helped me to learn the morals that I have today.
But a few notes. I was only whipped with a belt up until I was like 10. I was whipped when I seriously acted up. After I was 10 I learned to respect my parents so much that I didn't have to be physically punished to learn something from them.
But watching this video makes my heart sink.... FOR ALL PARENTS OUT THERE PLEASE DO NOT DISCIPLINE YOUR KIDS WITH ANGER OR MALICE. If you want them to learn please discipline them in a calm, controlled manner specifically laying out why you are delivering the punishment. That's how my parents did it and that's why I am so thankful they are my parents. One thing I remember so clearly is that my Dad NEVER cussed at me when he punished me. It just sends so many mixed messages.
But like I said in a few pages before. This guy is so angry I wouldn't be surprised if he is intoxicated. This is probably a domestic violence case with alcohol involved. God help that little girl. This guys says it best. Respect your parents wishes, they only discipline you because they love you and they want you to know right from wrong. Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 14:22 jonathan1 wrote:
i thought this sort of thing happened to most kids. i know i got belted several times as a kid.
What makes you think that? America and the EU still have the highest GDPs per capita in the world, while most of Asia is far behind. There is literally no benefit to corporeal punishment, it is a silly relic of a bygone era. Just because you lived through it does not make it good, right or effective.
Hell to throw out an equally subjective example, I don't think myself or my sister were even yelled at as children or teenagers(outside of stop pinching each other in the back seat you hooligans!). The worst we ever got were disproving stares or talks for anything serious. We both went to top tier undergraduate and graduate schools. China isnt having a money crisis like Europe or USA. China is loaning USA money even though USA has a higher GDP what does that tell you? Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 14:22 jonathan1 wrote:
Everyone who does this is a fucking asshole. Any practice like this or worse is wrong. I don't give a fuck about culture, beating your kids isn't necessary to teach them write and wrong. You should care about culture and practices. For example the judge's father was probably disciplined the same way when he was growing up. Then the judge's father disciplines him the same way, and then the judge uses the same discipline on his daughter. It goes on like a chain. Chains are hard to break. To quote 2 pac's song from Changes, "Somethings will never change."
"Chains are hard to break" etc is not an excuse. Since hes from texas his parents and grand parents proboably held slavles and lynched black people as well. You could even go as far as to say it was their culture but most people would agree that it was correct to abolish it.
As for the "China is lending money" talk, it has to do with developed countries and developing countries catching up. It doesnt have to do with them beating their children or not lol.
A question to all of you who think this practice is ok: Do you think its ok to give you wife a slap when she doesnt obey as well ?
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I think what is more disturbing and disgusting is not so much the father doing the beating, but the other parent allowing it. Apparently from the description of the video she was being manipulated and emotionally abused which I guess she had to do what she did because she was afraid of him. I'm not sure what position I'd be in with her in terms of forgiving her, she did finally do something but I dunno ~_~.
If you choose to beat your child that's your choice and I hope you don't do it to this level because this is just more than just a regular beating.
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On November 02 2011 15:10 Kamais_Ookin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 15:06 No_Roo wrote:
Corporal punishment is like queuing up SCV's. it's better than not building SCV's but it's still really lazy and nowhere as good as building them properly.
This video as others have pointed out though doesn't demonstrate corporal punishment at all, this is a guy beating his daughter in obvious anger. There shouldn't be any scv's in the first place. A healthy life is fulfilled by constant mules.
On November 02 2011 15:10 Kamais_Ookin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 15:09 Trevoc wrote:
I live in Texas and I am literally getting the urge to find this guy and beat his ass.
Who's with me? I'm with you as long as you use a belt.
Thanks I needed cheering up but I'm in Australia, no belt's long enough to reach that far.
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Disgusting. This man should be jailed or something. I think sometimes a spanking isn't out of the question, but shit like this is completely unreasonable... Someone should do something. Sounds like a job for Anon 
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On November 02 2011 14:59 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 14:58 eu.exodus wrote:
wow i really can't believe some of the replies here. maybe you would like you parents to beat the shit out of you for playing starcraft and watching streams? what kind of stupid logic is this? seriously, Im all for discipline and sometimes there's a need to use a belt. hell I've been beaten with a fist and had shit thrown at me like glasses and ashtrays which i would have reported if i didn't think i deserved it. but for fuck sake. gaming? what shit is that? there are other ways of dealing with that shit. make restrictions or block ports or fucking something. beating your kids for that shit doesn't really accomplish anything. This is not ok, lasting damage from punishment is not ok. The remuneration is meant to be fleeting having glasses and ashtrays thrown at you is dangerous. Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 14:58 eu.exodus wrote:
beating your kids for that shit doesn't really accomplish anything. I find this to be the general consensus, I dont see what your reading.
maybe you should read the whole thread man. people saying its okay that the fuck did it because she should have listened and what not.
and i got caught 3 Im the morning drunk and stoned as fuck sneaking into the house after my dad found my stash. which still even isn't a reason to throw shit around i agree but that's just my point. my parents were strict as hell but that was after doing criminal shit that could get of into serious shit. NEVER for gaming. if they didn't want me playing pc games they took away my power cable or gave me a time limit or something.
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After watching this a second time... it doesn't seem like she's actually crying?
No hyperventilation, and when she's not being hit she doesn't make any more noise?
Maybe I'm just a skeptic.
It doesn't take away from the father being a complete douchebag, but maybe she's trying to turn the situation a little more dramatic?
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On November 02 2011 15:20 mizU wrote:
After watching this a second time... it doesn't seem like she's actually crying?
No hyperventilation, and when she's not being hit she doesn't make any more noise?
Maybe I'm just a skeptic.
It doesn't take away from the father being a complete douchebag, but maybe she's trying to turn the situation a little more dramatic? I'm thinking it's not even the first time that she was beaten with the belt so she may have adapted a bit more to it or something and finally decided to video record.
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Violence is the weapon weilded by people who are too stupid to solve problems with their head. If you genuinely love your kid then punishment by taking away priveleges is infinitely more effective at correcting their behaviour, adn at that age you can even guilt trip them into feeling remorseful for their actions a lot of the time.
Of course if the parents had half a brain they would also know that technology=devil is just plain wrong.
Bringing a computer to a child's life isn't going to result in them suddenly becoming a criminal mastermind; lying, cheating and stealing their way to hell.
Beating up your child (whether it be a son or daughter) will certainly cause some problems though. Sometimes the kid works through it but other times you end up teaching your kid that violence is justified, particularly against a loved one. Add in inherited behavioural factors and you can end up with domestic violence perpetuating down the generations.
I know some people in this thread have mentioned that it seems contrived that she managed to catch this on film and is letting the world know... I say good on her. If she summons and internet army to help her then I say good on her.
If she manages to put daddy behind bars for a few days for his actions then it will just be another case of brains beating brawns and the pen being mightier than the sword.
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i get chills watching this, it's like watching a clip from my own life with the same plot and actors playing the exact same roles. i suspect this specific filmed beating is the "standard" beating in that household, and that she's 100% been through even worse. violence is disgusting, but seeing this happen to someone else gives me these horrific images of messy revenge. this shit happens all the time and everywhere
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On November 02 2011 15:23 Kamais_Ookin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 15:20 mizU wrote:
After watching this a second time... it doesn't seem like she's actually crying?
No hyperventilation, and when she's not being hit she doesn't make any more noise?
Maybe I'm just a skeptic.
It doesn't take away from the father being a complete douchebag, but maybe she's trying to turn the situation a little more dramatic? I'm thinking it's not even the first time that she was beaten with the belt so she may have adapted a bit more to it or something and finally decided to video record.
That could be it.
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people calling this "booty spanking" seriously need to get a fucking clue.
he is using a belt to inflict insane pain to her daughter.
a BELT.. which leaves serious marks on the skin and is one of the most painful things to get spanked with.
that's not like a little spank on the ass or anything like that.
he clearly shows signs of anger and has several psychological issues.
he should not be a judge, neither the legal parent of that girl.
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On November 02 2011 15:20 eu.exodus wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 14:59 Rebs wrote:On November 02 2011 14:58 eu.exodus wrote:
wow i really can't believe some of the replies here. maybe you would like you parents to beat the shit out of you for playing starcraft and watching streams? what kind of stupid logic is this? seriously, Im all for discipline and sometimes there's a need to use a belt. hell I've been beaten with a fist and had shit thrown at me like glasses and ashtrays which i would have reported if i didn't think i deserved it. but for fuck sake. gaming? what shit is that? there are other ways of dealing with that shit. make restrictions or block ports or fucking something. beating your kids for that shit doesn't really accomplish anything. This is not ok, lasting damage from punishment is not ok. The remuneration is meant to be fleeting having glasses and ashtrays thrown at you is dangerous. On November 02 2011 14:58 eu.exodus wrote:
beating your kids for that shit doesn't really accomplish anything. I find this to be the general consensus, I dont see what your reading. maybe you should read the whole thread man. people saying its okay that the fuck did it because she should have listened and what not. and i got caught 3 Im the morning drunk and stoned as fuck sneaking into the house after my dad found my stash. which still even isn't a reason to throw shit around i agree but that's just my point. my parents were strict as hell but that was after doing criminal shit that could get of into serious shit. NEVER for gaming. if they didn't want me playing pc games they took away my power cable or gave me a time limit or something.
Those opinions are mostly outliers and as far as Im concerned either trolls or comments that you can just ignore because criticizing them wont help change a view that cant be balanced because of how warped it is.
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On November 02 2011 15:11 G_G wrote:
I don't understand how this kind of "discipline" is supposed to work. Getting spanked (or in this case, abuse) is a punishment unrelated to the action taken. This means it is removable.
For example, a hypothetical teenager does poorly in school because they never study. So let's say the parent's give their kid a good ol' spanking. The kid has learned that he will be punished by his parents for committing a specific action. The problem here is that the punishment is not a natural result of the action, and is therefore removable. Once the kid grows up and moves out, he will realize that the punishment is not longer going to occur. Suddenly this encourages the action that was supposed to be prevented. Why study in college when your parents are a hundred miles away? Party time!
Heaven forbid his parents taught him of the rewards and benefits of studying and the unavoidable long-term miseries of neglect. That would have taken effort on their part.
It would make more sense to teach a child somehow that there are natural, non-removable punishments for making bad decisions. Teach the kid that your body will naturally, unavoidably punish them for eating too much unhealthy food and not exercising. Don't just yell at them or spank them when they eat a whole box of cookies that you just bought, show them a picture of a fat kid and explain the consequences (lol?). If you punish them in unrelated ways (like a spanking for eating too much junk food before dinner) then what will they do when you're no longer around to punish them for it? You've taught them nothing except that pain hurts and that oh man it's gonna be so awesome to do all this shit with no consequences when I move out. Nice parenting.
[I know sometimes a kid deserves the physical treatment, but I think a lot of parents just take the lazy road and spank or 'paddle' their kids for every little bad thing. That's just missing opportunities to teach them something real that they can actually think about. If your kid kicks you in the leg for not buying them a toy, they need to be dealt with more severely, but the majority of the time it's just lazy and stupid to spank a kid.]
The problem is that most people have a short term time horizons. People are really, really bad about planning long term, otherwise people wouldn't start saving for retirement in their 50's.
The point of corporal punishment, and other punishments in general, is to bring forward the consequences of a choice, to counteract the immediate gratification that a poor choice usually provides.
As an example, think about a woman divorcing. In the short term, she gets a financial windfall and is free to pursue relationships (sex) with attractive males and doesn't have to put up with her husband anymore. In the long term, she is going to be broke* and living only with cats. Yet women choose to divorce all the time, despite the fact that they are far likelier to be happy in the future if they had stayed married.
*mostly because she has a short term time horizon.
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Yeah, couldn't watch anywhere near all of this. Absolutely horrible. Like the corporal punishment is harsh as fuck, but the verbal abuse is what was most sickening imo.
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This guys voice makes my skin crawl. Like how do you remotely say something that cruel and malicious just for trying to kill time on the internet. There is absolutlely no hesitation in his voice whatsoever, he even goes as far as to come back (about 4 or 5 minutes in) and say that "I didn't get my lick in." as though this was his fucking game.
Unacceptable by any means. Reguardless of wealth or political postition. This guy can rot.
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He's going for the high score in the game of "Douchebag Dad". What an asshat. I'm a firm believer that corporal punishment to some extent works. That's not to say it's the only thing that works or should be used frequently. But a few spanks on the bottom and whatnot will not ruin you as a child. What he has done, and others like him, is clearly over the top and not acceptable for anything next to finding out your daughter murdered the family cat.
I take it back, because if somebody murdered the family cat they'd either feel extreme remorse and no punishment would be more than the self-inflicted kind, or their a sociopath and no punishment will work.
Unacceptable under any circumstances.
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