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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:22 jonathan1 wrote: i thought this sort of thing happened to most kids. i know i got belted several times as a kid. I don't think it happened to most kids. You are just rationalizing.Open hand spanking is fairly common, but belting is not. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:22 jonathan1 wrote: i thought this sort of thing happened to most kids. i know i got belted several times as a kid. Ive never met anyone that got belted that I know in yet. My parents never raised their hands on me. People shouldnt have to be hit by anyone ever and Im pretty sure its not that usual unless your parents are junkies. At least not where I come from. | ||
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FabledIntegral
United States9232 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:27 InvalidID wrote: I don't think it happened to most kids. You are just rationalizing.Open hand spanking is fairly common, but belting is not. Without a doubt it's happened to a majority of the previous generation (not ours, assuming you're around ~10-30 or so). | ||
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Bosu
United States3247 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:26 BreakerD wrote: Everyone else who complains lived the good life. Unless you got discipline like this and decided to change. Hell look at Muslim practices. They kill their daughter for not obeying. Asian kids in probably get disciplined even worse. Hell at the end of the day asians still doing the best in the world. Everyone who does this is a fucking asshole. Any practice like this or worse is wrong. I don't give a fuck about culture, beating your kids isn't necessary to teach them write and wrong. | ||
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wxwx
527 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:08 FiWiFaKi wrote: Personally, I agree with the father. It is him and the mother who brought the girl on the earth, and if he gives the girl rules to follow, she should listen to whatever he says until she reaches the age of 18 imo. Do I think it's the way to go about it? No - But if you made the child, you should be allowed to have the power to influence them in the way you please. No one is saying parents aren't allowed to make rules. Sure, make house rules, put all the influence you want on your child, just please don't beat the shit out of them. It's your child, it's your home, you get to make the rules until he/she moves out. So, Kiwikaki wannabe, you can believe your final line "You made the child, you should influence them" but not agree with the father. Just because he is her father doesn't give him the right to attack her. Unless, of course, you extend your theory to "You made the child, you get to do whatever you want with him/her". You could imagine all the problems that would arise. | ||
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Rakanishu2
United States475 Posts
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InvalidID
United States1050 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:26 BreakerD wrote: Everyone else who complains lived the good life. Unless you got discipline like this and decided to change. Hell look at Muslim practices. They kill their daughter for not obeying. Asian kids in probably get disciplined even worse. Hell at the end of the day asians still doing the best in the world. What makes you think that? America and the EU still have the highest GDPs per capita in the world, while most of Asia is far behind. There is literally no benefit to corporeal punishment, it is a silly relic of a bygone era. Just because you lived through it does not make it good, right or effective. Hell to throw out an equally subjective example, I don't think myself or my sister were even yelled at as children or teenagers(outside of stop pinching each other in the back seat you hooligans!). The worst we ever got were disproving stares or talks for anything serious. We both went to top tier undergraduate and graduate schools. | ||
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Subztance
United States139 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:08 FiWiFaKi wrote: Personally, I agree with the father. It is him and the mother who brought the girl on the earth, and if he gives the girl rules to follow, she should listen to whatever he says until she reaches the age of 18 imo. Do I think it's the way to go about it? No - But if you made the child, you should be allowed to have the power to influence them in the way you please. Rape, torture, and forced child labor are all methods that might greatly "influence" children. Do you condone these as well as the assault/battery you just witnessed? If you believe that such vicious behavior should be allowed, then why should the law prohibit the behavior after the child turns 18? They brought the child into the world and that will remain true for the rest of the child's life. Children are not the slaves/property of their parents. They have rights regardless of their age. | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:31 HawaiianPig wrote: I thought the internet had desensitized me to most things, but this is disgusting. This is exactly how I felt as well. Just something about physical abuse of a child in the name of legitimate punishment just seems to really get to me. Also, I'd like to believe I'd be equally upset if it was over something else besides the Internet, the one thing all of us here clearly use a great deal and treasure. | ||
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LF9
United States537 Posts
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Twiggs
United States600 Posts
But a few notes. I was only whipped with a belt up until I was like 10. I was whipped when I seriously acted up. After I was 10 I learned to respect my parents so much that I didn't have to be physically punished to learn something from them. But watching this video makes my heart sink.... FOR ALL PARENTS OUT THERE PLEASE DO NOT DISCIPLINE YOUR KIDS WITH ANGER OR MALICE. If you want them to learn please discipline them in a calm, controlled manner specifically laying out why you are delivering the punishment. That's how my parents did it and that's why I am so thankful they are my parents. One thing I remember so clearly is that my Dad NEVER cussed at me when he punished me. It just sends so many mixed messages. But like I said in a few pages before. This guy is so angry I wouldn't be surprised if he is intoxicated. This is probably a domestic violence case with alcohol involved. God help that little girl. Edit: and I neverrrrr had bruises. A belt doesn't actually do serious damage until you put your whole weight into it like this guy..(And did you hear him say "whip you in the face"?? That would do some horrible damage!). | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
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Let it Raine
Canada1245 Posts
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wxwx
527 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:26 BreakerD wrote: Everyone else who complains lived the good life. Unless you got discipline like this and decided to change. Hell look at Muslim practices. They kill their daughter for not obeying. Asian kids in probably get disciplined even worse. Hell at the end of the day asians still doing the best in the world. People keep on saying she got whooped just for using the computer have to remember that this was in 2004 and using the computer was like playing ur playstation. Remember parents always got mad when you over played video games. I was disciplined as a kid too, and when I found out not every kid got beat I was pretty surprised too. But I'm not going to beat my kids, and when I see shit like this I'm going to complain. Just take the computer/modem and hide it lol. Sure I'd get mad if they repeatedly disobeyed, but I'll just go for a walk if I suddenly feel like laying a hand on my kid. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:28 Bosu wrote: Everyone who does this is a fucking asshole. Any practice like this or worse is wrong. I don't give a fuck about culture, beating your kids isn't necessary to teach them write and wrong. Sometimes your child just needs to be slapped. I don't condone beating them repeatedly with a belt and I don't condone leaving bruises. There are occasions though where a smack is necessary. Not every child reacts the same way to everything and some kids simply need corporal punishment to get their shit straight. I can count the number of times on my hand that I was hit by my parents and when I look back on it those times were really deserved. I think the primary difference is that you should NEVER hit your child out of anger. If you have to hit them to teach them something, then by all means do so. However, when you do it out of anger it crosses that boundary from discipline into just trying to hurt them. | ||
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Robinsa
Japan1333 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:36 wxwx wrote: I was disciplined as a kid too, and when I found out not every kid got beat I was pretty surprised too. But I'm not going to beat my kids, and when I see shit like this I'm going to complain. Just take the computer/modem and hide it lol. Sure I'd get mad if they repeatedly disobeyed, but I'll just go for a walk if I suddenly feel like laying a hand on my kid. This is exactly the way to go. If they dont behave you remove things but you should NEVER remove the childs sense of security in their home. I cant imagine what it must be like to live somewhere under the constant threat of violence. In addition to that its kinda of natural for the 16 yo girl to disobey her parents to some degree. Shes almost an adault and is proboably trying to create her own identity without her parents etc. If she miss-step she should be corrected of course but removing the computer for a week is enough to send the message. | ||
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Lesser
Canada33 Posts
On November 02 2011 10:37 Kimaker wrote: While I don't agree with the reason, I see nothing wrong there with the immediate punishment. Yes (having now read the full context of her condition) that was too much. But corporal punishment overall isn't bad. For me it was the continuation of the conversation that got me riled up. Corporal punishment is fine, I myself was raised with corporal punishment as a possibility, but the fact that he didn't let it go was a bit much for me. Honestly, everyone's going to freak out and say she should be removed from the house, but I think that's ridiculous. She got belted. Woo hoo. Getting belted hurts like a son of a bitch, but it's nothing seriously harmful. And please don't pull the "mentally scarring" card out. It's not. I promise you. Classic right-wing nut job, complete with the anti-socialism quote in his sig. | ||
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Diizzy
United States828 Posts
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:26 BreakerD wrote: Everyone else who complains lived the good life. Unless you got discipline like this and decided to change. Hell look at Muslim practices. They kill their daughter for not obeying. These are not Muslim practices, please dont spread ignorant misinformation. Any conservative extreme faction of any religion cult or group can be held responsible for doing things like these. It is in no way exclusive to them. I dont mean to hijack but its a poor example and has nothing to do with this dude beating his kid. Beating kids is primarily cultural and personal it has very little to nothing to do with religion. Its like saying catholic priests rape little boys. Its ignorant. Bottom line you do not hit teenagers. I got smacked here and there when I was younger. After that it was simply a case of I do what is best for me as far as my parents are concerned or Im prevented from doing what I want because Im dependent on them. It just makes no sense to do it, it didnt to my parents. Sometimes negative reinforcement just works better on younger kids being naughty then reasoning with them. Its like a kid realizing if you touch a hot pot its gona burn you. They respond to getting burned more then someone telling them its gona happen. This however is just a sick fuck hitting his kid because she probably argued with him over her time spent on the computer and maybe some other things which all teenagers do, they just get privileges taken away by normal parents. | ||
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ThreeAcross
172 Posts
On November 02 2011 14:44 Lesser wrote: Classic right-wing nut job, complete with the anti-socialism quote in his sig. Classic moron. As with others, I was raised with corporal punishment. My father never 'spanked' me out of anger or malice. There would be a swat by the hand or belt on the rear. Afterwards he would take us aside and explain to us, calmly, why we were being punished. I can remember being angry at the time, but life has a weird way of opening your eyes to your parents doings. Raising kids of my own now, I use the same principles my father did and will continue to. That being said, what this 'man' did was horrendous. This is straight child abuse and shouldn't be tolerated. | ||
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