On November 12 2011 18:40 nojok wrote: Fun fact : DNA tests shows that the Jews who lived two thousand years ago in Israel are the ancestors of Palestinians.
Fun Fact: The Peleset people, also know as the Philistines were there before the Jews.
On November 12 2011 18:40 nojok wrote: Fun fact : DNA tests shows that the Jews who lived two thousand years ago in Israel are the ancestors of Palestinians.
Fun Fact: The Peleset people, also know as the Philistines were there before the Jews.
How bout we give America back to the Indians then?
If this has been posted earlier in the thread, I apologize. I read like...15 pages and didn't see it. Here's a video made by the Israeli government, explaining how they see the conflict.
I'm not going to give my opinion on it; because this (to me) is a gaming site; and I prefer to keep my personal politics out of my gaming.
But I'm a Political Science major, and I didn't know half this stuff. So, I thought it could be informative.
On November 12 2011 18:40 nojok wrote: Fun fact : DNA tests shows that the Jews who lived two thousand years ago in Israel are the ancestors of Palestinians.
Fun Fact: The Peleset people, also know as the Philistines were there before the Jews.
How bout we give America back to the Indians then?
would be fair, too bad pretty much all of them are dead :/
On November 12 2011 18:40 nojok wrote: Fun fact : DNA tests shows that the Jews who lived two thousand years ago in Israel are the ancestors of Palestinians.
Fun Fact: The Peleset people, also know as the Philistines were there before the Jews.
How bout we give America back to the Indians then?
would be fair, too bad pretty much all of them are dead :/
I suppose it would be fair if we give your house back to the Italians then?
On November 12 2011 19:40 GenreExplorer wrote: If this has been posted earlier in the thread, I apologize. I read like...15 pages and didn't see it. Here's a video made by the Israeli government, explaining how they see the conflict.
I'm not going to give my opinion on it; because this (to me) is a gaming site; and I prefer to keep my personal politics out of my gaming.
But I'm a Political Science major, and I didn't know half this stuff. So, I thought it could be informative.
I've seen that but it's so biased that you as a political science major shouldn't even post it.
I have a hard time comprehending this "took the territories in a defensive war" concept and why it would be viewed more legit than any other kind of territorial expansion.
On November 12 2011 19:40 GenreExplorer wrote: If this has been posted earlier in the thread, I apologize. I read like...15 pages and didn't see it. Here's a video made by the Israeli government, explaining how they see the conflict.
I'm not going to give my opinion on it; because this (to me) is a gaming site; and I prefer to keep my personal politics out of my gaming.
But I'm a Political Science major, and I didn't know half this stuff. So, I thought it could be informative.
I've seen that but it's so biased that you as a political science major shouldn't even post it.
I have a hard time comprehending this "took the territories in a defensive war" concept and why it would be viewed more legit than any other kind of territorial expansion.
The music in the beginning is the only thing bearable in that shit lol
On November 12 2011 18:40 nojok wrote: Fun fact : DNA tests shows that the Jews who lived two thousand years ago in Israel are the ancestors of Palestinians.
Fun Fact: The Peleset people, also know as the Philistines were there before the Jews.
How bout we give America back to the Indians then?
On November 09 2011 17:37 Pika Chu wrote: I am not sure how the public opinion in USA sees this but unfortunately USA and Obama are in a shitty situation that they can't get out of. It's quite simple, if Obama (as representing the USA) speaks for Palestine and against the immediate interest of Israel he can say good-bye to a second mandate as a president and if Obama follows Israel's interest and against Palestine the hate of foreigners against USA will increase.
So Obama is pretty much in a lose-lose situation. USA's image has deteriorated so much in the last decades that i don't even know if it's worth saving it.
You're overestimating greatly how much we care about our image.
The funding needs to get pulled, and it sure as heck won't change as a law. I don't know about the procedures in the UN to admit states but seems to me that it's going to be up to them to say no to Palestine. Or maybe they just don't want our money, which is fine, I suppose.
Maybe you are underestimating how important image is. One thing you need to learn is no country can survive solely on its own, ussr already tried that and didn't work.
So it's blackmailing the UN right? Either do it our way, with no care about over 100 countries in the world voted or we act like a spoiled child taking our toys and going back home (and of course, you have serious backing... a law!).
No, that's called deterrence - and it's the opposite of 'being childish', it's the rational application of a threat to prevent an act that is against your national interest. It's the same as saying 'hit me or any of my friends and I will hit you back with unparalleled force'. Having a law to ensure that this happens simply adds credibility to the threat - it's not even ambiguous what sort of result will ensue from taking an action.
International politics are based on self-interest and power more than anything else.
That's dumb. UNESCO is an international non-political organism that does not serve one's interest.
You say it's rational, and got me smiling. How rational is it that they did nothing to prevent UNESCO from adding Palestine but their withdrawal upset a lot of people and will probably lead to an effect directly opposite of what they tried.
So USA can push their interest in UN (view UN as a discussion table) over others, but when you're interests are being affected you just leave the "table". Way to do negotiations. Next Russia will give a law that says they will not finance/take part in any UN affiliated organization that ever says something bad about them, then China... and then you have a totally censored UN or an UN (again, view it as a discussion table) without Russia and China.
There is no such thing as a non-political international organization. Every organization serves state interests in some way - otherwise, they would not be part of it. Whether you are a realist or an institutionalist, this is true - states do not join institutions that do not advance or act along their aims.
You're putting too much weight on the concept of 'upset' and whether that actually matters. This is not a schoolyard where you can run to a teacher to complain. Bargaining in this case is a strict debate of power - if UNESCO acts against the US interests, the US will withdraw. This is fully understandable when you consider the reasons states join institutions. It would be irrational to support an institution that furthered goals that are not in your state's interest unless that institution furthered other goals - ie: that the result of that former issue had consequences for a more important goal you want. I doubt the US is in this situation, and thus they can comfortably abandon UNESCO.
The UN has been hit by exactly the situation you depict, with states boycotting due to various issues. However, the UN also creates far more issue linkages, and covers far more interests. Still, if the UN actively worked against the interests of a country, they would be expected to leave it. This is exactly what happened with the League of Nations prior to WW2. A major difference is that the UN has veto power for these major states who are more likely to simply abandon the institution, and thus allows them to control the direction of the UN to a degree.
And yes, being able to simply 'leave the table' is one of the most important moves in bargaining. The threat of someone simply walking away keeps people from trying to extensively exploit someone in a deal, because being too greedy can simply end the deal altogether.
On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote: uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
There is no such thing as a non-political international organization.
^ Pretty much that. You have to have some sort of political allegiances to get any form of substantial funding at all. Well okay, you can get money without support, but it'll be a lot more work I'd think.
On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote: uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote: uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
and the US is just that popular kid that everyone follows.
On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote: uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
and the US is just that popular kid that everyone follows.
obviously. and he/she is actually kind of beefy aswell. sad thing though is that all the nerdy (cool) kids would be able to convince the bully if they just had courage to stand up to him.
On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote: uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
and the US is just that popular kid that everyone follows.
obviously. and he/she is actually kind of beefy aswell. sad thing though is that all the nerdy (cool) kids would be able to convince the bully if they just had courage to stand up to him.
maybe in your school...in this school the bully is armed to the teeth and ready to kick everyone's ass.
On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote: uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
and the US is just that popular kid that everyone follows.
obviously. and he/she is actually kind of beefy aswell. sad thing though is that all the nerdy (cool) kids would be able to convince the bully if they just had courage to stand up to him.
maybe in your school...in this school the bully is armed to the teeth and ready to kick everyone's ass.
If the bully loses all his support he will soon find that bullying everyone isn't as fun or productive (cool-generating) as it once was.
On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote: [quote] It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
and the US is just that popular kid that everyone follows.
obviously. and he/she is actually kind of beefy aswell. sad thing though is that all the nerdy (cool) kids would be able to convince the bully if they just had courage to stand up to him.
maybe in your school...in this school the bully is armed to the teeth and ready to kick everyone's ass.
If the bully loses all his support he will soon find that bullying everyone isn't as fun or productive (cool-generating) as it once was.
the bully is clearly capable of taking what he needs by force...and none of the little kids want an ass kicking.
On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote: [quote] It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly.
sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
and the US is just that popular kid that everyone follows.
obviously. and he/she is actually kind of beefy aswell. sad thing though is that all the nerdy (cool) kids would be able to convince the bully if they just had courage to stand up to him.
maybe in your school...in this school the bully is armed to the teeth and ready to kick everyone's ass.
If the bully loses all his support he will soon find that bullying everyone isn't as fun or productive (cool-generating) as it once was.
If the bully decides to stop financing the playground, nobody gets anything.
On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote: [quote] sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
and the US is just that popular kid that everyone follows.
obviously. and he/she is actually kind of beefy aswell. sad thing though is that all the nerdy (cool) kids would be able to convince the bully if they just had courage to stand up to him.
maybe in your school...in this school the bully is armed to the teeth and ready to kick everyone's ass.
If the bully loses all his support he will soon find that bullying everyone isn't as fun or productive (cool-generating) as it once was.
the bully is clearly capable of taking what he needs by force...and none of the little kids want an ass kicking.
Only as long as the other kids don't gang up on him, and that's where my comment becomes relevant again.
On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote: [quote] sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious.
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
and the US is just that popular kid that everyone follows.
obviously. and he/she is actually kind of beefy aswell. sad thing though is that all the nerdy (cool) kids would be able to convince the bully if they just had courage to stand up to him.
maybe in your school...in this school the bully is armed to the teeth and ready to kick everyone's ass.
If the bully loses all his support he will soon find that bullying everyone isn't as fun or productive (cool-generating) as it once was.
If the bully decides to stop financing the playground, nobody gets anything.
The bully isn't financing the playground, it's a joint effort by all the children. In fact the bully pays less than his fair share in % and gets away with it, because he is a bully.
On November 02 2011 00:54 HackBenjamin wrote: [quote]
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
and the US is just that popular kid that everyone follows.
obviously. and he/she is actually kind of beefy aswell. sad thing though is that all the nerdy (cool) kids would be able to convince the bully if they just had courage to stand up to him.
maybe in your school...in this school the bully is armed to the teeth and ready to kick everyone's ass.
If the bully loses all his support he will soon find that bullying everyone isn't as fun or productive (cool-generating) as it once was.
the bully is clearly capable of taking what he needs by force...and none of the little kids want an ass kicking.
Only as long as the other kids don't gang up on him, and that's where my comment becomes relevant again.
On November 02 2011 00:54 HackBenjamin wrote: [quote]
The super abridged version?
Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite.
Check out this picture
Make sense?
holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Actually, the issue has been raised countless times, its hard to miss if you consume any news media at all beyond NewsCorp/NewsInternational
problem just is the US likes Israel so it's tough for Palestine to become internationally accepted.
and the US is just that popular kid that everyone follows.
obviously. and he/she is actually kind of beefy aswell. sad thing though is that all the nerdy (cool) kids would be able to convince the bully if they just had courage to stand up to him.
maybe in your school...in this school the bully is armed to the teeth and ready to kick everyone's ass.
If the bully loses all his support he will soon find that bullying everyone isn't as fun or productive (cool-generating) as it once was.
If the bully decides to stop financing the playground, nobody gets anything.
The bully isn't financing the playground, it's a joint effort by all the children. In fact the bully pays less than his fair share in % and gets away with it, because he is a bully.
the bully is pretty tough. he might not be able to take on the ENTIRE group, but he could easily handle a few of them at once...and he might still have a few suckups that will stick with him
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