Palestine accepted into UNESCO, US pulls funding - Page 19

On November 02 2011 09:33 SupLilSon wrote:


Please read a history book for god's sake. In reality Israel was INVADED by the surrounding Arab nations and gained territory during the war. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Arab–Israeli_War

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab–Israeli_conflict

Also a pretty essential read considering how little people here seem to know or care about the actual history of the conflict. Originally, Jewish settlers bought land from the Ottoman sultans, not forcibly taken from Palestinians. The Palestinians who lost their homes lost them because of the impending invasion of 5 major Arab nations into the region.

On November 02 2011 00:54 konadora wrote:







thanks for the replies. i think i saw it in a documentary film that lots of jews run the major banks and corporations in the US? is that why this is happening?

bringing such issues in the face of human rights.... such a shame.

thanks for the responses!

On November 02 2011 12:04 blinken wrote:


Who cares about your history? All that proves is that the Jews have as much right to Israel as the Native American's do to all of America.

That land has been called Palestine FAR longer than Israel.

In fact, if you look it up Jewish migration into that land only started little over a hundred years ago. Before that there were barely any Jews even there; before ancient times, of course.

What kind of nonsense claim is that? I'm ashamed Canada unconditionally supports Israel.

On November 02 2011 12:08 theseraph wrote:


Even if i wasn't from Israel, let the flame war commence, i'd still find your comments disgusting.
As is the state of Israel is the only REAL democracy in the middle east. We got there by declaring our statehood on our land in 1948. That the palestinians allied with the other arab countries, attacked 5 on 1 and lost in wars is a moot point for us both as I think that anything taken in war, defense or offense, belongs the victor and i'll just be flamed for being biased anyway. The palestinians sold their lands to the british and to jews in the early 1900s because they didn't want the swampland that the land was. Yes it was the british mandate of palestine but formally there has never been a country by the name of palestine, it's just the name of the ethnic group from ancient times. They, the palestinians, want the land of Israel today, an oasis after 63 years of hard work into the land put by israelis. That's almost like selling a beatup car and wanting it back after you see it modded after market, it's bullshit. I absolutely think all people of the world deserve a land, the palestinians, the kashmiris and all other displaced people of the world, all of them do. However, to agree to something like this after just a few weeks ago at the UN israel approached them with an offer for peace and a two state solution- something they've declined countless times and did then as well, it's down right repulsive. Jews don't control the world. However much money you think the U.S. gives to israel, i assure you other allies get more money(and the arabs who have pretty much monopolized oil get even more). The U.S. backed out of the organization as a kind of sanction because it's underhanded to agree on something in the UN and then go back on your own word.

I wanted to type this most of all because i see a lot of pro palestinian remarks in these forums and elsewhere and i feel powerless standing as the lone voice against the anti israeli remarks. Do and say what you will but at the very least please take the time to educate yourself on the matter. Whether or not you have a bias as i wholly admit that i do is one other thing, but i've also learned about this subject in university abroad so at the very least i got "objective" knowledge.

Hope i got to someone.

On November 02 2011 12:23 blinken wrote:


That was a real disturbing read if you are actually sincere.

Do you not see that all the Arab nations allied against you because you had utterly no claim, and that the only reason you were allowed you even exist was because of the massive amounts of money given to you by the United States.

You're delusional if you believe you've made the land a better place, one that now the Palestinian's want. It's actually appalling to me that someone could be so ignorant. The Palestinian's wish you were never there. That everything you built was gone, and they could have their land back.

Hey to the victor go the spoils right, and if the Jews had a nation and beat the Palestinian's in a war, I'd say mazel tov. But the thing is, the Jews never had a nation.

The West simply gave you someone else's land. And now you're all brainwashed to believe you actually have some right to it. If you want some real education maybe you should listen to some Jews who aren't brainwashed, like Norman Finkelstein or Noam Chomsky.

On November 02 2011 11:28 mewo wrote:

"American power comes from the fact that almost all Middle Eastern states are client state of America except of Syria and Iran."
Well that part is completely wrong.

As far as how they help the US:
In the same way that we support Israeli interests in organizations like the UN, they support our interests. Our countries also have close relations between intelligence gathering.

Apart from the benefits you see in every alliance. Israel also stands against the radical Arab countries like Iran and Syria.

On November 02 2011 14:05 Sub40APM wrote:



Completely wrong?
Saudi Arabia: American bases, buys American military hardware, depends on America to cover them vs. Iran.
Bahrain: hosts US 7th Fleet.
Kuwait: America went to war to make sure that when one dictator overthrew another dictator the overthrown dictator got his dictatorship back.
Egypt: 2nd largest aid recipient after Israel. Americans were also the ones who kept the military from just murdering everyone, Syria style.
Jordan: US client state since they signed the Israel peace treaty.
Morocco/Tunesia: both pro-American since they became independent.
Yemen: Millions in military aid, free to deploy predators wherever.

As to interests: Think about what you are saying. America sells out Israel, one of the least popular countries in the world, and suddenly it gets the support of the Arab League, a numerically much larger grouping.

Again, if you could just name 1 thing that America gets out of the Israel 'alliance' that does not pertain to the domestic politics of America I'm happy to listen.

On November 02 2011 14:23 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

Great point. I don't want to beat the dead horse by stating what's been stated 100 times in this thread already, but the reason the US has the relations it does with Israel is due to the overwhelmingly powerful and influential lobby in the US, especially when every other country you listed is under American suzerainty and more importantly is very helpful to US political and strategic interests.

Hopefully in the next year or two, we can scratch Egypt from the list of US suzerainty in the region. (However, I don't understand that part where you say the US kept the military from murdering everyone. Was there some American military intervention I'm unaware of?).

On November 02 2011 14:05 Sub40APM wrote:



Completely wrong?
Saudi Arabia: American bases, buys American military hardware, depends on America to cover them vs. Iran.
Bahrain: hosts US 7th Fleet.
Kuwait: America went to war to make sure that when one dictator overthrew another dictator the overthrown dictator got his dictatorship back.
Egypt: 2nd largest aid recipient after Israel. Americans were also the ones who kept the military from just murdering everyone, Syria style.
Jordan: US client state since they signed the Israel peace treaty.
Morocco/Tunesia: both pro-American since they became independent.
Yemen: Millions in military aid, free to deploy predators wherever.

As to interests: Think about what you are saying. America sells out Israel, one of the least popular countries in the world, and suddenly it gets the support of the Arab League, a numerically much larger grouping.

Again, if you could just name 1 thing that America gets out of the Israel 'alliance' that does not pertain to the domestic politics of America I'm happy to listen.

On November 02 2011 14:49 Synwave wrote:

This as with most of your posts in every thread ignores so much of what has been said before. You meander into heavy ass shit threads and state blatant generalizations and then try to sum up with a hope that you will be viewed as the all mighty arbiter. Stop it, please. I can't be the only one that notices this shit and eventually it will catch up with you.

On top of that you flame bait like no ones business in the prospect. I won't even say what I would and have done with dudes like you in person. Just. Stop.

We did after all install the current regime in Iran ousting their democratically elected leader.

On November 02 2011 15:22 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

*reads flamebaiting, raging post also making personal threats against me*

*reads sig*

*puts 2 and 2 together*

I guess that means you're causing global warming?


So you get your ass kicked by people like me in person is what you're saying? Interesting. Jokes aside, don't make personal threats of violence against people. It's terribly rude and the police doesn't take stuff like that lightly in case I was the whiny type who would report that sort of thing (which I'm not by a long shot, fortunately for you ). So. Just. Stop.

However, apparently you have dealt with people violently. Surprising you're not in prison. Such overly aggressive and violent people need to learn some discipline, especially considering you've act as such on multiple occasions, and over no reason at all other than feeling demeaned.

In any case, sorry if my knowledge and reasoning in this thread has made you feel like I'm trying to come across as some "almighty arbiter" or making you feel intellectually inferior or making you feel angry that I possibly denounced some of your closely-held beliefs (otherwise, I have no idea why you're raging; btw, most of my posts I have made in this thread and others are quite new information and thought processes. Just saying ¯\_(ツ)_/¯). My apologies. Here's a beer . Enjoy ^_^


A minor correction: The current regime was not installed by the US. The previous one (the Shah and Co.) was, and it wasn't installed, but rather reinstated after having been briefly kicked out. Probably what you meant but didn't pay close attention to what you were writing. ;o

On November 02 2011 15:35 mewo wrote:


its easy to get confused when they have exactly the same beliefs and policies as the current lot. But then again the CIA was involved in the revolution so maybe i was right eh?

On November 02 2011 12:04 blinken wrote:


Who cares about your history? All that proves is that the Jews have as much right to Israel as the Native American's do to all of America.

That land has been called Palestine FAR longer than Israel.

In fact, if you look it up Jewish migration into that land only started little over a hundred years ago. Before that there were barely any Jews even there; before ancient times, of course.

What kind of nonsense claim is that? I'm ashamed Canada unconditionally supports Israel.

On November 02 2011 15:42 nucleo wrote:

dude, are you serious?
first. I have some old coins at home saying "Palestine Land of Israel"
But more to the point the Land has benn called Israel/Judea for thousands of years
Debating "Who was here first" is not what will help peace and not sit well with any anti-israel argument
I'd say, the question is not "Who was here first?" but "We're both here NOW. How do we make it work?"

On November 02 2011 15:38 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

Wait, are you saying the Shah's government had exactly the same beliefs and policies as the Islamic theocracy founded by Ayatollah Khomeini? You realize how ignorant that statement is, right, or are you joking? They were polar opposites in foreign policy and legal system and social policies, for just a few things. Yeah, the CIA overthrew the democracy of Mossadeq, but I wasn't correcting that. Just the part where you were saying that the US put Khomeini in power, which... is not what happened lol.

Btw, before the revolutions in the Arab republics, their monarchs were actually quite subservient to UK, France (their former occupiers before independence), and by extension, the US. It was actually AFTER the revolutions that countries like Iraq, Egypt, and Syria became generally against American influence (although following Sadat's (Egyptian president's) assassination, the emplacement of Mubarak proved to be a real ace in the hole for US interests). Unless you're referring to some sort of other revolutions where the opposite occurred? Libya maybe (although this is disputable)?

On November 02 2011 16:01 Synwave wrote:
You have difficulty understanding english, I get it.
What I want to do and what I will do are two things. One is a wish and one is a desire. I know...this is hard for some people to understand.

You constantly wish in threads to appeal to generalizations and your constantly desire to get applause. See how that works?

I never threatened you and I am not a violent criminal. But I appealed to your desires and wishes that I was to sort of show through your own posts how silly your posting is. I know, its a bit weird but it conveys a meaning.

Basically, you say shit in multiple threads that is meaningless and it sort of adds up. That is exactly my point. I wont report your response for personal attacks or anything because I think that would be silly. However your follow up response shows your intention. To walk into threads with the full intention to create as much fire as possible with no recourse to reasoning. I have actually watched your posting rather closely. Its disgusting but its flavored with just enough faux-intelligencia to fake out most.

Justice dude? Really?

From now on I will do what I should have done with most that act like you in the forums and that is pretend their posts dont exist and not even read them.

On November 02 2011 15:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

But the present-day Palestinians are the by and large descendants of the ancients (surely you're not claiming those people from Germany, Poland, and Russia who came in the last century are...), so you're defeating your first point :/. As for the second point? Both sides are too full of themselves (in particular the Israelis, not just nowadays, but whose recent ancestors are responsible for the whole clusterfuck in the first place due to the religious extremists mass immigrating from Europe and leading up to the formation of Israel). No simple solution, I'll tell you that.

On November 02 2011 16:19 nucleo wrote:

ummm no?
The Philistines have nothing to do with the Palestinians. The Palestinians are called that after the name of the land they settled. The land is called that after The people that settled some of that area (more than gaza but over that strip and not west bank) way way before. The entire name, Palestine, Philistines and Pleshet (the original name of the ancient) is coming from the hebrew word for invader or intruder.