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it is just amazing that people are still squabbling about fucking who's land is it genealogies when a serious humanitarian disaster is ONGOING everyday in that part of the world.
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If those of you who do not know too much about the Israel and its history, I enjoyed reading "The Iron Wall: Israel and the Arab World" by Avi Shlaim. It does take some biased toward Israel at some points in the book, but its still a pretty easy read for those who are interested about this topic.
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On November 02 2011 00:54 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:50 buhhy wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel. Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:49 Nizaris wrote:^US is closely allied with Israel. Israel hates Palestine since they want their land. therefore US can't show "sympathy" towards Palestine. On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do. thanks for the replies. i think i saw it in a documentary film that lots of jews run the major banks and corporations in the US? is that why this is happening? bringing such issues in the face of human rights.... such a shame. thanks for the responses!
What kind of documentaries are you watching? Or are you just trolling? Because I hope to god it's the latter, then I see your post count...
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The conflict cannot be locally be resolved unless both sides know some history, get educated and realize nobody is going to win anything. Not land, not survival, not some cosmic battle between good and evil... They are going to continue to kill people, and then die at the end of life.
Attempts at peace are made by a overarching humanitarian body of diplomacy, democratically protecting their constituent states. The USA doesn´t like this body, historically preferring war and domination as a means to peace.
So, a people in need come to the body of politics for a vote and the right to live. They prefer to ignore the USA, because they know USA has chosen it´s side in the `cosmic battle`
The USA, in response, kills their funding for international education, science and culture, the most obvious way to show people a life beyond war.
And this thread is once again debating Palestine vs. Israel? Shame on you.
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As long as APAIC continues to be an important voting lobby in Washington, as long as Florida is a battle ground election state and as long as a large minority of Republican voters continue to be believe the Bible is the literal truth and Jesus will come back when all the Jews are back in Israel America will continue its 100% support for Israel.
Having said that, nothing is stopping Saudi Arabia with all its oil money from immediately recognizing Palestine as an independent country and then giving them the same amount of foreign aid as Israel receives from the US. Of course resolving the conflict would be too inconvenient for many different parties, not just portions of the American government.
Oh and to the guy who said Canada is America's lap dog. Not really -- see how we didnt get involved in Iraq? The problem is the current government has among its power bases almost all the Christian fundamentalists in Canada and so just like their Southern cousins they believe in the whole Jews -- > Israel Jesus -- > Earth. The opposition ever gets its act together we'll go back to a pro-Arab stance since the Muslim minority is growing faster in Quebec and other 'strategic' electoral regions.
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On November 02 2011 10:53 Zooper31 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:54 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:50 buhhy wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel. On November 02 2011 00:49 Nizaris wrote:^US is closely allied with Israel. Israel hates Palestine since they want their land. therefore US can't show "sympathy" towards Palestine. On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do. thanks for the replies. i think i saw it in a documentary film that lots of jews run the major banks and corporations in the US? is that why this is happening? bringing such issues in the face of human rights.... such a shame. thanks for the responses! What kind of documentaries are you watching? Or are you just trolling? Because I hope to god it's the latter, then I see your post count...
Someone with such a high post count ought to have better trolls.
This issue is really silly.
It isn't in the interest of the United States to recognize Palestine as a state because we are deeply allied with Israel. In other words by blocking the interests of Palestine we gain more power in the region through Israel.
It doesn't have anything to do with Jewish world dominion, democracy or regional history.
Also of note. Most of that land Israel "took" was involved in the cold war. With the Soviet Union backing Egypt Syria etc and the United States backing Israel. Israel took HUGE areas of land In each of those wars and each time gave the majority of it back. (also those wars make for some pretty amazing history)
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On November 02 2011 09:17 DreamChaser wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 09:14 sCfO20 wrote:You forgot the part about "against targets requiring their use." I don't think Palestinian civilians are targets requiring the use of white phosphorous . gg wp You also forgot the part of terrorist attacks against Israel civilians. Who started it? i don't know but it sure isn't going to stop.
So... you don't see any difference between terrorists and a government attacking civilians?
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On November 02 2011 11:11 mewo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:53 Zooper31 wrote:On November 02 2011 00:54 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:50 buhhy wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel. On November 02 2011 00:49 Nizaris wrote:^US is closely allied with Israel. Israel hates Palestine since they want their land. therefore US can't show "sympathy" towards Palestine. On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do. thanks for the replies. i think i saw it in a documentary film that lots of jews run the major banks and corporations in the US? is that why this is happening? bringing such issues in the face of human rights.... such a shame. thanks for the responses! What kind of documentaries are you watching? Or are you just trolling? Because I hope to god it's the latter, then I see your post count... Someone with such a high post count ought to have better trolls. This issue is really silly. It isn't in the interest of the United States to recognize Palestine as a state because we are deeply allied with Israel. In other words by blocking the interests of Palestine we gain more power in the region through Israel. It doesn't have anything to do with Jewish world dominion, democracy or regional history. Also of note. Most of that land Israel "took" was involved in the cold war. With the Soviet Union backing Egypt Syria etc and the United States backing Israel. Israel took HUGE areas of land In each of those wars and each time gave the majority of it back. (also those wars make for some pretty amazing history)
america gains more power in the region through Israel? How does that work? American power comes from the fact that almost all Middle Eastern states are client state of America except of Syria and Iran. And all the military bases America has around the area. But Israel is actually a liability to America because it automatically makes Muslims/Arabs more anti-American than they would be otherwise. And it benefits Iran/Syria who can cover up their own repressions by screaming about the oppression of the Palestinians.
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On November 02 2011 11:15 pPingu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 09:17 DreamChaser wrote:On November 02 2011 09:14 sCfO20 wrote:You forgot the part about "against targets requiring their use." I don't think Palestinian civilians are targets requiring the use of white phosphorous . gg wp You also forgot the part of terrorist attacks against Israel civilians. Who started it? i don't know but it sure isn't going to stop. So... you don't see any difference between terrorists and a government attacking civilians?
No, not at all. Not when the terrorists (Hamas) are also the legal governing authority of the Gaza Strip, which kind of makes them a government.
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On November 02 2011 10:29 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:17 BluePanther wrote:
Eh, we pay too much money to these types of organizations as it is... Membership to our clubs should require equal monetary commitments.
I have no interest in paying 50 billion a year for that type of shit. It's million, not billion. It works out to about 16 cents per capita in the US (canadians paid twice as much in comparison), which is used for silly things such as making sure that your children (and their children) are still able to visit major historical sites all over the world and promoting cooperation in education, science, and other frivolous things. Out of all the international organisations you could flame, UNESCO shouldn't even be near the top of your list. Not to even mention that the US spends less (in relative terms, and at times even in absolute terms) then pretty much any western nation in the world on things like international organisations and foreign aid. Membership to clubs should indeed require equal monetary commitments. Time for the US to honor theirs.
Um, no, it's billion. All our foriegn aid is around 50 billion.
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On November 02 2011 11:15 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:11 mewo wrote:On November 02 2011 10:53 Zooper31 wrote:On November 02 2011 00:54 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:50 buhhy wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel. On November 02 2011 00:49 Nizaris wrote:^US is closely allied with Israel. Israel hates Palestine since they want their land. therefore US can't show "sympathy" towards Palestine. On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do. thanks for the replies. i think i saw it in a documentary film that lots of jews run the major banks and corporations in the US? is that why this is happening? bringing such issues in the face of human rights.... such a shame. thanks for the responses! What kind of documentaries are you watching? Or are you just trolling? Because I hope to god it's the latter, then I see your post count... Someone with such a high post count ought to have better trolls. This issue is really silly. It isn't in the interest of the United States to recognize Palestine as a state because we are deeply allied with Israel. In other words by blocking the interests of Palestine we gain more power in the region through Israel. It doesn't have anything to do with Jewish world dominion, democracy or regional history. Also of note. Most of that land Israel "took" was involved in the cold war. With the Soviet Union backing Egypt Syria etc and the United States backing Israel. Israel took HUGE areas of land In each of those wars and each time gave the majority of it back. (also those wars make for some pretty amazing history) america gains more power in the region through Israel? How does that work? American power comes from the fact that almost all Middle Eastern states are client state of America except of Syria and Iran. And all the military bases America has around the area. But Israel is actually a liability to America because it automatically makes Muslims/Arabs more anti-American than they would be otherwise. And it benefits Iran/Syria who can cover up their own repressions by screaming about the oppression of the Palestinians.
"American power comes from the fact that almost all Middle Eastern states are client state of America except of Syria and Iran."
Well that part is completely wrong.
As far as how they help the US:
In the same way that we support Israeli interests in organizations like the UN, they support our interests. Our countries also have close relations between intelligence gathering.
Apart from the benefits you see in every alliance. Israel also stands against the radical Arab countries like Iran and Syria.
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On November 02 2011 11:28 mewo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:15 Sub40APM wrote:On November 02 2011 11:11 mewo wrote:On November 02 2011 10:53 Zooper31 wrote:On November 02 2011 00:54 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:50 buhhy wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel. On November 02 2011 00:49 Nizaris wrote:^US is closely allied with Israel. Israel hates Palestine since they want their land. therefore US can't show "sympathy" towards Palestine. On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do. thanks for the replies. i think i saw it in a documentary film that lots of jews run the major banks and corporations in the US? is that why this is happening? bringing such issues in the face of human rights.... such a shame. thanks for the responses! What kind of documentaries are you watching? Or are you just trolling? Because I hope to god it's the latter, then I see your post count... Someone with such a high post count ought to have better trolls. This issue is really silly. It isn't in the interest of the United States to recognize Palestine as a state because we are deeply allied with Israel. In other words by blocking the interests of Palestine we gain more power in the region through Israel. It doesn't have anything to do with Jewish world dominion, democracy or regional history. Also of note. Most of that land Israel "took" was involved in the cold war. With the Soviet Union backing Egypt Syria etc and the United States backing Israel. Israel took HUGE areas of land In each of those wars and each time gave the majority of it back. (also those wars make for some pretty amazing history) america gains more power in the region through Israel? How does that work? American power comes from the fact that almost all Middle Eastern states are client state of America except of Syria and Iran. And all the military bases America has around the area. But Israel is actually a liability to America because it automatically makes Muslims/Arabs more anti-American than they would be otherwise. And it benefits Iran/Syria who can cover up their own repressions by screaming about the oppression of the Palestinians. "American power comes from the fact that almost all Middle Eastern states are client state of America except of Syria and Iran."Well that part is completely wrong. As far as how they help the US: In the same way that we support Israeli interests in organizations like the UN, they support our interests. Our countries also have close relations between intelligence gathering. Apart from the benefits you see in every alliance. Israel also stands against the radical Arab countries like Iran and Syria.
Israel also acts in the middle east when it is inconvenient or difficult to directly step in. Like that time when they blew up that Iraqi nuclear reactor under construction.
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On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis?
It's not quite as simple as you make it out to be. The U.S. has a law requiring us to withdraw funding in this circumstance. Until that law is repealed or altered the U.S. has to withdraw funding.
Unfortunately with the current political climate and the upcoming elections it's not likely that any law will be passed or repealed that would affect this judgement. :S
I understand what you mean though. It's a frustrating situation.
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For the United States, their country comes first, being part of causes second.
But that's true for every country. Although some may disagree with their decision, the US apparently had no choice in the matter.
In my observation, I think they're glad that such a law existed, so they cannot be completely blamed for pulling out.
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On November 02 2011 00:57 konadora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:54 HackBenjamin wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. The super abridged version? Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite. Check out this picture ![[image loading]](http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_pEfVJ93Cwa8/TDjQIyH5mGI/AAAAAAAAGmk/EA9TbmokMRE/s1600/israel-palestine-map.jpg) Make sense? holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades?
Because when Isreali and US do it is OK an no one talks about it 
I have always been disgusted by Isreali decisions towards Palestina, ofc US has a giant role in it too..
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On November 02 2011 11:41 BarbieHsu wrote:
For the United States, their country comes first, being part of causes second.
But that's true for every country. Although some may disagree with their decision, the US apparently had no choice in the matter.
In my observation, I think they're glad that such a law existed, so they cannot be completely blamed for pulling out.
Only 'no choice' in the sense that the Israeli lobby is so powerful in the US that it would be political suicide not to support Israel.
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On November 02 2011 11:43 sunman1g wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 00:57 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:54 HackBenjamin wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. The super abridged version? Israel and Palestine don't like eachother. Israel used to be small, Palestine used to be big. Now it's the opposite. Check out this picture Make sense? holy... how on earth did that even happen and no one raised the issue over the course of decades? Because when Isreali and US do it is OK an no one talks about it I have always been disgusted by Isreali decisions towards Palestina, ofc US has a giant role in it too..
That map in now way accurately depicts Israeli history.
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On November 02 2011 11:11 mewo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 10:53 Zooper31 wrote:On November 02 2011 00:54 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:50 buhhy wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel. On November 02 2011 00:49 Nizaris wrote:^US is closely allied with Israel. Israel hates Palestine since they want their land. therefore US can't show "sympathy" towards Palestine. On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do. thanks for the replies. i think i saw it in a documentary film that lots of jews run the major banks and corporations in the US? is that why this is happening? bringing such issues in the face of human rights.... such a shame. thanks for the responses! What kind of documentaries are you watching? Or are you just trolling? Because I hope to god it's the latter, then I see your post count... Someone with such a high post count ought to have better trolls. This issue is really silly. It isn't in the interest of the United States to recognize Palestine as a state because we are deeply allied with Israel. In other words by blocking the interests of Palestine we gain more power in the region through Israel. It doesn't have anything to do with Jewish world dominion, democracy or regional history. Also of note. Most of that land Israel "took" was involved in the cold war. With the Soviet Union backing Egypt Syria etc and the United States backing Israel. Israel took HUGE areas of land In each of those wars and each time gave the majority of it back. (also those wars make for some pretty amazing history)
Well. Also to note is that Israel is the country with MOST UN warnings against them in the history of UN - of which almost all were neglected. They are putting up armed colonies, basically building villages and counting it as their own land on Palestinian soil. They have built a wall that makes the Berlin wall come to shame. The wall is also illegal and condemned by the UN. They have bombed several Palestinian building complexes with white phosphouros which basically burns through anything. This is in like the worlds third most human-compact cities, and burned several children to death. They have bombed several UN facilities and camps around the borders. They have shot international medical personell helping Palestinian civilians. Red Cross ambulances have been targeted (as they might be hijacked by terrorists). Palestinian civilians have been ordered to walk in first when raiding potential terrorist cells with Israeli army men coming in after. Police stations are also seen as military targets in Palestine, as well as schools, as terrorists might hide there. Palestinian houses have been trucked down by bulldozers, leaving tonnes without homes.
Injure and death rates are extremely one sided.
Oh and this is going on today by the way, it's not ancient history.
Edit. Just an open question. Say your country was unable to defend itself, and a country with almost limitless resources with international support did this to you? What would you do?
See from this point of view, terrorists - or freedom fighters, seem much more rational.
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On November 02 2011 11:55 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:11 mewo wrote:On November 02 2011 10:53 Zooper31 wrote:On November 02 2011 00:54 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:50 buhhy wrote:On November 02 2011 00:47 konadora wrote:On November 02 2011 00:46 SirMilford wrote:On November 02 2011 00:44 konadora wrote:
uh, what kind of stupid law is that that forces a government to cut financial ties to a global organisation because of one country? on what basis? It would be from their relation with Israel almost certainly. sorry i'm not really into politics, but what was the relation between the US, israel and palestine? genuinely curious. Israel has quite the lobby power in the US. As a result, the US administration is generally pro-Israel. The US stood behind Israel pretty much from its inception. There's a reason why the neighboring Arab states have been unable to destroy Israel. On November 02 2011 00:49 Nizaris wrote:^US is closely allied with Israel. Israel hates Palestine since they want their land. therefore US can't show "sympathy" towards Palestine. On November 02 2011 00:47 Kupon3ss wrote:
Well this isn't surprising, as appealing to the Jewish community earns American politicians an insane amount of votes and funding while being fair to Palestine earns nothing for elections. hoooray for democracy. what a shame. i'm glad the unesco had what it takes to accept a 20% loss of income for what is the right thing to do. thanks for the replies. i think i saw it in a documentary film that lots of jews run the major banks and corporations in the US? is that why this is happening? bringing such issues in the face of human rights.... such a shame. thanks for the responses! What kind of documentaries are you watching? Or are you just trolling? Because I hope to god it's the latter, then I see your post count... Someone with such a high post count ought to have better trolls. This issue is really silly. It isn't in the interest of the United States to recognize Palestine as a state because we are deeply allied with Israel. In other words by blocking the interests of Palestine we gain more power in the region through Israel. It doesn't have anything to do with Jewish world dominion, democracy or regional history. Also of note. Most of that land Israel "took" was involved in the cold war. With the Soviet Union backing Egypt Syria etc and the United States backing Israel. Israel took HUGE areas of land In each of those wars and each time gave the majority of it back. (also those wars make for some pretty amazing history) Well. Also to note is that Israel is the country with MOST UN warnings against them in the history of UN - of which almost all were neglected. They are putting up armed colonies, basically building villages and counting it as their own land on Palestinian soil. They have built a wall that makes the Berlin wall come to shame. The wall is also illegal and condemned by the UN. They have bombed several Palestinian building complexes with white phosphouros which basically burns through anything. This is in like the worlds third most human-compact cities, and burned several children to death. They have bombed several UN facilities and camps around the borders. They have shot international medical personell helping Palestinian civilians. Red Cross ambulances have been targeted (as they might be hijacked by terrorists). Palestinian civilians have been ordered to walk in first when raiding potential terrorist cells with Israeli army men coming in after. Police stations are also seen as military targets in Palestine, as well as schools, as terrorists might hide there. Palestinian houses have been trucked down by bulldozers, leaving tonnes without homes. Injure and death rates are extremely one sided. Oh and this is going on today by the way, it's not ancient history. Edit. Just an open question. Say your country was unable to defend itself, and a country with almost limitless resources with international support did this to you? What would you do? See from this point of view, terrorists - or freedom fighters, seem much more rational.
Can you please post sources of some of that information?
Edit: targeting civilians makes you a terrorist. Actually its the definition.
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On November 02 2011 11:44 oldgregg wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 11:41 BarbieHsu wrote:
For the United States, their country comes first, being part of causes second.
But that's true for every country. Although some may disagree with their decision, the US apparently had no choice in the matter.
In my observation, I think they're glad that such a law existed, so they cannot be completely blamed for pulling out. Only 'no choice' in the sense that the Israeli lobby is so powerful in the US that it would be political suicide not to support Israel.
Isn't that just incredible? A political lobby is so fucking powerful, that they not only direct American foreign policy towards a country, but can basically kill a politician's career if they opposed Israel. And this is just one of a myriad of lobbyist groups. It's a sad day when the government doesn't run the govt., although this is nothing new.
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