EPTGay student gets beaten up in classroom - Page 8
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Charger
United States2405 Posts
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Ayaz2810
United States2763 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:38 Slaughter wrote: Discuss it when its an actual motive....No where in this case does it say it was motivated by religious beliefs. Bringing it up now is just spewing hate on religion. Which, ironically, I support. I vote we spew that hate all day every day. As educationally as possible of course. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:32 synapsc wrote: You're missing one massive difference; one can choose to support a certain sports team. you can choose to be overtly gay, but people still arent allowed to hate on that, no matter how annoying it is to see the millionth man put on an impossibly high pitched voice just to announce their gayness. im not advocating bashing gay people, they can act however they want, anyone can. im just showing that the "choice" argument makes no sense. just because its my choice, not the way i was born doesnt give you any right to shit on it. more on topic. the punishment cant be harsher for 'hate crimes' than 'normal' crimes, if it was the attacker would just claim he felt like it or make up a new reason. then there are no extra punishments anyway and you are hiding the truth from the victim, because he will never know why he was attacked. and in other situations knowing the truth can be important to victims of crime and their families, rewarding the attackers for lying isnt helping anyone. | ||
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Tatari
United States1179 Posts
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Ingebrigtsen
Norway343 Posts
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perser84
Germany399 Posts
even if he is gay he is still a men and not a fragil gril he should have defend himself better and even to strike back when you know that the other one is bigger and stronger helps and it has nothing to do if he is gay or not if you can show that you have teeth like a tiger the bullies think twice before or they harras you | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
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Myles
United States5162 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:40 ampson wrote: Suspension, because it is just a school fight. There is proof that it is because the student was gay, but no proof of premeditation. Honestly, this is not even newsworthy. Kids get beaten up in schools all the time, for various reasons. Sad, but too common for the national news. This was not a fight! How can you call one kid beating the shit out of another, WHEN THE OTHER KID TRIED TO GET AWAY, a fight and not assault? A fight is when both kids want hurt each other. | ||
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aderum
Sweden1459 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:39 Primal666 wrote: i don't understand why this isn't taken as any other ''beat up case''.Reason for fight doesnt really matter? Its like saying it's worse to kill a black guy because he was black than kill a guy kill a random person. It is, by the law, worse to kill someone for being black that for just "i want to kill someone". And as discussed it make perfect sense to have that law. | ||
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:42 Millitron wrote: I don't like the term "Hate crime". Aren't all crimes hate crimes? The term makes it seem like some crimes are worse than others just because the victim belonged to a minority. What difference does it make that the victim was gay, and targeted because of this? If justice actually IS blind, it can't be reasonably taken into account. I can break into a guy's house and steal his money without needing to hate him o_O... OT: throw the kid in jail wtf. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:39 ayaz2810 wrote: Which, ironically, I support. I vote we spew that hate all day every day. As educationally as possible of course. And you wonder why the stereotype of the arrogant, asshole atheist exists. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:26 Plexa wrote: Counselling is good too. I don't know where you grew up by I've had kids get concussions from bullying and the bullies weren't expelled. I agree that counseling might help. We should remember, though, that anecdotal experiences shouldn't weigh one way or another on what is appropriate or just. One person or another's experiences with school delivered punishments don't necessarily constitute examples of a hypothetical "correct" punishment scale. | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:40 ampson wrote: Suspension, because it is just a school fight. There is proof that it is because the student was gay, but no proof of premeditation. Honestly, this is not even newsworthy. Kids get beaten up in schools all the time, for various reasons. Sad, but too common for the national news. Was about to post exactly this. Hundreds of kids get beaten up every day, and kids have been getting beaten up since the beginning of time. Whether it was because the kid was "different" or what have you, it's always been happening. Either learn to defend yourself, grow some thicker skin, or this will continue to happen. Not being insensitive, it is unfortunate that it happened, but it's not news at all. | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
however, if they truly believed it was a hate crime, the kid should have pressed criminal charges and tried for the elevated criminal punishment. if the state can prove it in court then stiffer penalties can be implemented. in this circumstance, the offender receives his constitutional protections and the state can punish the shit out of him after respecting those protections. i also think that any battery should be subject to the stiffer criminal penalties if the victim feels it is justified; not just hate crimes. lastly, to prevent the inevitable backlash, hate crimes should be severely punished, including those based on homophobia. | ||
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howerpower
United States619 Posts
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Chanted
Norway1001 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:41 perser84 wrote: 1 week suspension is enough even if he is gay he is still a men and not a fragil gril he should have defend himself better and even to strike back when you know that the other one is bigger and stronger helps and it has nothing to do if he is gay or not if you can show that you have teeth like a tiger the bullies think twice before or they harras you great argument, really. Ignorant people like you hurt my brain | ||
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Blasterion
China10272 Posts
but really school kids get beaten up all the time how is a gay kid any special case? | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On October 28 2011 08:41 Slaughter wrote: And you wonder why the stereotype of the arrogant, asshole atheist exists. arrogant asshole theists is also a stereotype, seems more of a stereotype of people than any group of them. | ||
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berserkboar
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