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On October 28 2011 08:20 DeathIncarna wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:59 aderum wrote:On October 28 2011 07:52 WTFZerg wrote:On October 28 2011 07:49 aderum wrote:On October 28 2011 07:46 WTFZerg wrote:I used to make kids like this (the bully) lives living hell in high school. Be a dick all you want, just don't pick on people smaller than you because you have some kind of massive inferiority complex. Seeing as how we can't just cane the shit out of the kid like they do in Singapore, have him tried as an adult for premeditated aggravated assault. Little bastard. On October 28 2011 07:45 aderum wrote:On October 28 2011 07:42 Millitron wrote:On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote:
Hate crime, throw the kid in prison. I don't like the term "Hate crime". Aren't all crimes hate crimes? The term makes it seem like some crimes are worse than others just because the victim belonged to a minority. What difference does it make that the victim was gay, and targeted because of this? If justice actually IS blind, it can't be reasonably taken into account. Hate crime is a legal term (at least in sweden), and its used when someone attacks you for either you sexuality or you ethnicity and maybe someting more(edit, see above post)... It doesnt have to be a minority, if 3 black kids beat up a white kid just because he is white they will be charge with hate crime. I actually think the law makes perfect sense. "Hate crimes" are a stupid concept that only further the ideology that people are different from one another. No its not.. Its there to make sure that we dont see one different better then the other different. We are different, its not a problem, the problem is when people like this(the bully) beats up/murders people for being different. Thats why its good to have a law that makes the crimes worse. So if I kill someone who is straight, and you kill someone who is gay, you've committed a worse crime? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You clearly missed the point about it not automatically being a hate crime if its towards a minority. Its just as discrimination, but on a broader(worse) scale. If you kick someone out of your restaurant just b/c he wheres a t-shirt with a sportteam you dont like, and if you kick someone out of your restaurant b/c he is black... which one is worse? The law is there to make sure that we dont tolerate doing bad things to people just for being different. Yeah, but kicking out someone for wearing a t-shirt with a sports team that you don't like isn't illegal, where as racial discrimination is.
You're missing one massive difference; one can choose to support a certain sports team.
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On October 28 2011 08:30 Odal wrote:
Kids fight over stupid shit all the time and it would be silly to actually press charges against bullying like this. I guess they should get something extra just for the specific reason behind the bullying, but seriously, actual police involvement is silly.
Silly? This is a high school we're talking about here. If there's a fight on campus-police are there to stop it. Criminal violence- that's what police are for.
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It's a shame you can't vote for multiple options. Although I'm sure if he did end up in a facility he'd get a beating eventually.
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On October 28 2011 08:31 AIRwar wrote:
The bully should be put to death. Shrug. People with this kind of complex, most likely have serious issues, and will most likey never contribute to society in a postive way. Don't waste money, time, breath on him and put him down.
Really?
I know plenty of asshole kids that grew up to be awesome people. Just because as a child/teenager they were douchebags doesn't mean they won't eventually grow up.
But I guess killing kids because they are mean is totally logical.
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You can't hurt people, that's how the world works, I'm not even talking about the motivation, (which in this case imo should make it an even harsher punishment).
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Fuck that Kid I hope he gets the max that the law can prosecute.
Also why the hell is religion being brought up? Get the hell out of here with that crap.
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I cant believe no one did anything.. i cannot grasp what is wrong with people not getting in between.
I know sometimes violent situations can be redirected at you and people are afraid but at times like this you have to do something it really frustrates me immensely to see people not jumping in.. Where is this world coming to ?
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On October 28 2011 08:08 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:54 Whitewing wrote:No, it doesn't work that way at all. If you killed someone who is straight, and I kill someone who is gay, they're both murder. If I killed the gay student BECAUSE he's gay, then it's a hatecrime. It doesn't matter who the crime is committed against, it matters WHY they committed the crime.
Also, if you kill someone straight for being straight, that's also a hatecrime.
It's a question of intent. The problem with this is that it's effectively a thought crime. What hate crime legislation does is basically make certain beliefs illegal. I think it's awful that most conservative Christians hate gays as a part of their religious beliefs, but to give them harsher punishments for attacking a gay than someone else is a violation of due process. I understand that we as a society want to discourage discrimination and hate, but free thought is even more important. It's similar to how I support the free speech of Neonazi groups, however harmful it might be, even if I'd rather they go die in a fire.
It makes certain acts based off certain beliefs illegal. You can believe that gays are evil and whatever. You can not commit acts of violence or incite other to commit acts of violence while proclaiming that you're doing so because someone is gay. There is a huge, obvious legal distinction.
There is a reason why motive is important in a murder investigation. You're way out of your depth here.
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On October 28 2011 08:34 Slaughter wrote:
Fuck that Kid I hope he gets the max that the law can prosecute.
Also why the hell is religion being brought up? Get the hell out of here with that crap.
why is religion being discussed in a thread about bigotry and anti-homosexuality?
gee, no idea
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On October 28 2011 08:32 synapsc wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:20 DeathIncarna wrote:On October 28 2011 07:59 aderum wrote:On October 28 2011 07:52 WTFZerg wrote:On October 28 2011 07:49 aderum wrote:On October 28 2011 07:46 WTFZerg wrote:I used to make kids like this (the bully) lives living hell in high school. Be a dick all you want, just don't pick on people smaller than you because you have some kind of massive inferiority complex. Seeing as how we can't just cane the shit out of the kid like they do in Singapore, have him tried as an adult for premeditated aggravated assault. Little bastard. On October 28 2011 07:45 aderum wrote:On October 28 2011 07:42 Millitron wrote:On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote:
Hate crime, throw the kid in prison. I don't like the term "Hate crime". Aren't all crimes hate crimes? The term makes it seem like some crimes are worse than others just because the victim belonged to a minority. What difference does it make that the victim was gay, and targeted because of this? If justice actually IS blind, it can't be reasonably taken into account. Hate crime is a legal term (at least in sweden), and its used when someone attacks you for either you sexuality or you ethnicity and maybe someting more(edit, see above post)... It doesnt have to be a minority, if 3 black kids beat up a white kid just because he is white they will be charge with hate crime. I actually think the law makes perfect sense. "Hate crimes" are a stupid concept that only further the ideology that people are different from one another. No its not.. Its there to make sure that we dont see one different better then the other different. We are different, its not a problem, the problem is when people like this(the bully) beats up/murders people for being different. Thats why its good to have a law that makes the crimes worse. So if I kill someone who is straight, and you kill someone who is gay, you've committed a worse crime? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. You clearly missed the point about it not automatically being a hate crime if its towards a minority. Its just as discrimination, but on a broader(worse) scale. If you kick someone out of your restaurant just b/c he wheres a t-shirt with a sportteam you dont like, and if you kick someone out of your restaurant b/c he is black... which one is worse? The law is there to make sure that we dont tolerate doing bad things to people just for being different. Yeah, but kicking out someone for wearing a t-shirt with a sports team that you don't like isn't illegal, where as racial discrimination is. You're missing one massive difference; one can choose to support a certain sports team.
Well.. thats kinda the point i am trying to make...
You choose to fuck with an other mans wife, where as you dont choose to be gay. Thats why murdering someone who is gay should be punished harder than murdering some one who fucked you wife.
Both are of course terrible, but thats not the point.
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On October 28 2011 08:33 Odal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:31 AIRwar wrote:
The bully should be put to death. Shrug. People with this kind of complex, most likely have serious issues, and will most likey never contribute to society in a postive way. Don't waste money, time, breath on him and put him down. Really? I know plenty of asshole kids that grew up to be awesome people. Just because as a child/teenager they were douchebags doesn't mean they won't eventually grow up. But I guess killing kids because they are mean is totally logical.
Yeah really. What if he had killed this kid? He was hitting him pretty hard. That is pure hatred. He could've easily killed him. I think everyone would be talking about more than expulsion or jail time if he had..
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On October 28 2011 07:39 KwarK wrote:
Personally I'm against violence against gays for reasons based purely in their sexuality.
LOL..
I'm going to assume that this was a bait or that you didn't realise the way that it might be interpreted 
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On October 28 2011 07:37 Whitewing wrote:
Hate crime, throw the kid in prison.
throw the kid down the well
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On October 28 2011 08:36 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:34 Slaughter wrote:
Fuck that Kid I hope he gets the max that the law can prosecute.
Also why the hell is religion being brought up? Get the hell out of here with that crap. why is religion being discussed in a thread about bigotry and anti-homosexuality? gee, no idea
Discuss it when its an actual motive....No where in this case does it say it was motivated by religious beliefs. Bringing it up now is just spewing hate on religion.
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On October 28 2011 08:10 Plexa wrote:
These are kids guys... they will pick on people for being different. Be it because you have a dumb haircut, are asian or in this case your sexual orientation. I don't really think this is a hate crime, rather your standard bullying story - person is different, they get picked on for being different. 3 day suspension sounds inline with your standard bullying offence, so the punishment fits the crime. Obviously if there was any hint of a repeat offender then harsher punishments are called for.
This is absolutely true, Children find reasons to bully others be it height, weight, color of skin or hair, bullies will find some reason to bully someone. Also I remember in a school near mine someone was beaten up badly and the student received a week's suspension and it was mentioned in local papers that the mother of the child who was beaten wished to press charges. What the papers didnt write is what the kid did to deserve it (which was a lot).
Now im not saying for sure but my experience's from school and seeing people getting bullied tell's me that if someone is waiting to beat up someone in the middle of a canteen, the person who he is waiting for must have ROYALY pissed him off. If he just wanted to beat him up he could have done it outside of school or after it or on lunch off school grounds idk. To wait like that just says to me that the kid did something to (at least somewhat) warrent the beating in the mind of the bully. Not that im condoning any violence.
Just some food for thought, and i learned a long time ago that you cant read everything you read in the papers withought taking a pinch of salt
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The future of society.........man. Just depressing
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Oh how I wish this guy was thrown in jail. 3 day suspension from school is a JOKE. It blows my mind how little and dumb that punishment is. Oh look at me, I beat up someone , keeps hitting them repeatedly in the face while they are on the ground, and I get 3 days off from school. Seriously in what world is that okay. Saying the punishment fit the crime just sickens me, doesnt matter if thats the normal punishment for bullying, its WRONG.
Imagine the situation outside the classroom, with adults. Guy walks into a bar, gets jumped and beaten up, what would the cops do then ? Give him 3 days in jail or something?
This kind of shit makes me fucking sick. If someone were to jump me in the classroom, and all they got was a 3 day suspension I would be raging so hard. Imagine the traumes this kid must have, how his schooldays must be like, when you can get jumped at any second, and nobody does anything( other then 3 days lol suspension) about it.
I would understand the kid very well if he paid some thugs to beat this kids ass. Not that its neccassaraly right, but damn still
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On October 28 2011 08:37 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:39 KwarK wrote:
Personally I'm against violence against gays for reasons based purely in their sexuality. LOL.. I'm going to assume that this was a bait or that you didn't realise the way that it might be interpreted
Gotta love written English. I'm pretty sure he is saying that he is against violence against gays, when said violence is because of their sexuality. Not that he is against violence against gays because they are gay. Therefore he is saying violence against gays is ok if you are not doing it because they're gay
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i don't understand why this isn't taken as any other ''beat up case''.Reason for fight doesnt really matter? Its like saying it's worse to kill a black guy because he was black than kill a guy kill a random person.
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I think high schools themselves are also partly to blame, not just the kid. All three high schools I attended would pretty much suspend all parties in a fight regardless of who was in it. Anyone trying to intervene would probably also be suspended (US high school administration has a pretty bad rep for common sense), so nobody jumped in.
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