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On October 28 2011 08:50 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:48 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:46 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:45 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:43 Blasterion wrote:
It's just a school fight give them a short suspension to cool their heads God I need to leave this fucking thread because I'm about to explode if another person says this was a normal school fight. This was not a fight at all. kids get beat up in school, happen all the time, what makes gay kids more special than the rest of us? Nothing, it shouldn't be accepted at all, by anybody to anybody else. When both kids want to beat each other up it's a fight. When one kids wants to beat the other up and the other kid only wants to get away, it's assault. And doing 30 push ups makes a lot of anger go away. They are minors, kids, they don't know any better and it's the duty of the educators to correct that, as far as punishments, a short suspension is enough
You are a professional troll. That said:
What kind of individual honestly believes a magic switch goes off when you turn from 16 to 17, or 17 to 18. The perpetrator in that video certainly knew that beating another kid senseless is wrong in the general view of things. It isn't the educator's job to stop dangerous violence, that's the role of law enforcement.
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This kid should get charges leveled against him or at the very least suspended. There is no excuse for a beating like this to take place IN THE CLASSROOM and only a 3 day suspension is given.
In my school most fights would take place after school at a nearby park, and if any of the faculty heard about it the kids would get suspended for at least a week. The fact that this takes placed during school in a classroom is inexcusable. That kid needs to learn a lesson.
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On October 28 2011 08:50 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:48 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:46 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:45 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:43 Blasterion wrote:
It's just a school fight give them a short suspension to cool their heads God I need to leave this fucking thread because I'm about to explode if another person says this was a normal school fight. This was not a fight at all. kids get beat up in school, happen all the time, what makes gay kids more special than the rest of us? Nothing, it shouldn't be accepted at all, by anybody to anybody else. When both kids want to beat each other up it's a fight. When one kids wants to beat the other up and the other kid only wants to get away, it's assault. And doing 30 push ups makes a lot of anger go away. They are minors, kids, they don't know any better and it's the duty of the educators to correct that, as far as punishments, a short suspension is enough
I don't know what world you come from, but anyone over the age of 10 without mental health issues knows VERY CLEARLY that violently assaulting someone is wrong.
So they DO KNOW BETTER.
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On October 28 2011 08:53 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:45 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:43 Blasterion wrote:
It's just a school fight give them a short suspension to cool their heads God I need to leave this fucking thread because I'm about to explode if another person says this was a normal school fight. This was not a fight at all. It was premeditated assault. How did you come to this conclusion? Can you explain why one student waiting for another student to show up to a class to beat the crap out of him is different then how any other bully/victim fight would go down?
You literally just described a premeditated assault...
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On October 28 2011 08:52 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:50 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:48 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:46 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:45 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:43 Blasterion wrote:
It's just a school fight give them a short suspension to cool their heads God I need to leave this fucking thread because I'm about to explode if another person says this was a normal school fight. This was not a fight at all. kids get beat up in school, happen all the time, what makes gay kids more special than the rest of us? Nothing, it shouldn't be accepted at all, by anybody to anybody else. When both kids want to beat each other up it's a fight. When one kids wants to beat the other up and the other kid only wants to get away, it's assault. And doing 30 push ups makes a lot of anger go away. They are minors, kids, they don't know any better and it's the duty of the educators to correct that, as far as punishments, a short suspension is enough Bullshit. If you're older then 5 you know better. I'm so sick of hearing this 'they don't know better' crap that holds no water. At 15 you don't know better about things like taxes, spending money, or having sex. You know the difference between basic right and wrong.
Agree with this, also, how are educators supposed to correct this? Especially if he only gets a short suspension. Any kid in high school that doesn't have mental issues should know that this is completely wrong.
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On October 28 2011 08:53 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:45 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:43 Blasterion wrote:
It's just a school fight give them a short suspension to cool their heads God I need to leave this fucking thread because I'm about to explode if another person says this was a normal school fight. This was not a fight at all. It was premeditated assault. How did you come to this conclusion? Can you explain why one student waiting for another student to show up to a class to beat the crap out of him is different then how any other bully/victim fight would go down?
It's not, and they're all assault. When only one person in the fights wants the fight to begin with in the first place, it's assault.
My confrontation in high school was a fight. Kid didn't appreciate something I did, and I did appreciate his unappreciation, so we fought over it. This was more like the time I saw a kid get beat up because the other kid got payed 50 bucks to do it.
edit: actually, it's exactly like it
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On October 28 2011 08:55 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:50 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:48 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:46 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:45 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:43 Blasterion wrote:
It's just a school fight give them a short suspension to cool their heads God I need to leave this fucking thread because I'm about to explode if another person says this was a normal school fight. This was not a fight at all. kids get beat up in school, happen all the time, what makes gay kids more special than the rest of us? Nothing, it shouldn't be accepted at all, by anybody to anybody else. When both kids want to beat each other up it's a fight. When one kids wants to beat the other up and the other kid only wants to get away, it's assault. And doing 30 push ups makes a lot of anger go away. They are minors, kids, they don't know any better and it's the duty of the educators to correct that, as far as punishments, a short suspension is enough I don't know what world you come from, but anyone over the age of 10 without mental health issues knows VERY CLEARLY that violently assaulting someone is wrong. So they DO KNOW BETTER.
Once again, duty of educators to correct that behavior, do you expect police to show up for every bullying event across your country?
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On October 28 2011 08:45 Brett wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:52 woooooober wrote:
without knowing any backstory whatsoever, it's a bit ridiculous to start an internet shitstorm about this event. obviously, some kid got beat up and is blaming it on his opponent's prejudices, but it could have been spawned by any number of things; for example, i can see this coming as a reaction to perceived sexual harassment, or something similar. blaming the whole thing on homosexuality seems a bit of a stretch.
oh nevermind, it's the fucking internet. Oh please... Who gives a shit even IF this is a trumped up story by the kid who was assaulted. How is this type of premeditated, sustained assault justifiable under ANY circumstances??
It isn't. But in order to stop these types of things you should probably focus on reporting their prevalence and the school's failures to address certain issues. A 3 day suspension for a fight is pretty standard. Everything about the article sounds like a normal grade school fight, except the victim in this case was chosen due to his homosexuality.
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On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight...
No one is asking for police to break up every school yard fight. People want the kid to be prosecuted for his actions. They are completely different.
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3 days? I got suspended for longer than that for defending myself against someone who attacked me in class.
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On October 28 2011 08:44 Myles wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:42 Mortal wrote:On October 28 2011 08:40 ampson wrote:
Suspension, because it is just a school fight. There is proof that it is because the student was gay, but no proof of premeditation. Honestly, this is not even newsworthy. Kids get beaten up in schools all the time, for various reasons. Sad, but too common for the national news. Was about to post exactly this. Hundreds of kids get beaten up every day, and kids have been getting beaten up since the beginning of time. Whether it was because the kid was "different" or what have you, it's always been happening. Either learn to defend yourself, grow some thicker skin, or this will continue to happen. Not being insensitive, it is unfortunate that it happened, but it's not news at all. And this is why it continues, because we just accept when one kids beats the shit out of another when the kid who got beat up wanted nothing to do with it. Two kids getting into a mutual fight is one thing, one kid seeking out and beating the shit out another should not be accepted.
QTF
Agree 100%
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On October 28 2011 08:58 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... No one is asking for police to break up every school yard fight. People want the kid to be prosecuted for his actions. They are completely different.
The kid is under 20 probably unemployed, what do you want from him?
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On October 28 2011 08:57 Offhand wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:45 Brett wrote:On October 28 2011 07:52 woooooober wrote:
without knowing any backstory whatsoever, it's a bit ridiculous to start an internet shitstorm about this event. obviously, some kid got beat up and is blaming it on his opponent's prejudices, but it could have been spawned by any number of things; for example, i can see this coming as a reaction to perceived sexual harassment, or something similar. blaming the whole thing on homosexuality seems a bit of a stretch.
oh nevermind, it's the fucking internet. Oh please... Who gives a shit even IF this is a trumped up story by the kid who was assaulted. How is this type of premeditated, sustained assault justifiable under ANY circumstances?? It isn't. But in order to stop these types of things you should probably focus on reporting their prevalence and the school's failures to address certain issues. A 3 day suspension for a fight is pretty standard. Everything about the article sounds like a normal grade school fight, except the victim in this case was chosen due to his homosexuality.
Did you watch the video of the "fight"? I went to a public high school in DETROIT and I never saw something like that, in fact only like 2-4 fights ever happened at my school at every time it was 2 guys going at it not one kid waits for a kid to come in then starts wailing on him for no reason. This wasn't a normal fight in anyway.
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On October 28 2011 08:57 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:55 Tektos wrote:On October 28 2011 08:50 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:48 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:46 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:45 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:43 Blasterion wrote:
It's just a school fight give them a short suspension to cool their heads God I need to leave this fucking thread because I'm about to explode if another person says this was a normal school fight. This was not a fight at all. kids get beat up in school, happen all the time, what makes gay kids more special than the rest of us? Nothing, it shouldn't be accepted at all, by anybody to anybody else. When both kids want to beat each other up it's a fight. When one kids wants to beat the other up and the other kid only wants to get away, it's assault. And doing 30 push ups makes a lot of anger go away. They are minors, kids, they don't know any better and it's the duty of the educators to correct that, as far as punishments, a short suspension is enough I don't know what world you come from, but anyone over the age of 10 without mental health issues knows VERY CLEARLY that violently assaulting someone is wrong. So they DO KNOW BETTER. Once again, duty of educators to correct that behavior, do you expect police to show up for every bullying event across your country?
Again, how can educators correct this when a high school age doesn't already know that this is completely wrong? I'm even willing to bet even the kids parents couldn't really do anything other than make the kid regret doing it, not actually realizing its wrong. Without some form of severe punishment he won't learn any lesson.
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dude this thread so biased! sigh, i got beat up for being a christian i get made fun of so what i live ^^
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On October 28 2011 08:59 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:58 TheSwamp wrote:On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... No one is asking for police to break up every school yard fight. People want the kid to be prosecuted for his actions. They are completely different. The kid is under 20 probably unemployed, what do you want from him?
Spend a week in jail.
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On October 28 2011 08:57 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:55 Tektos wrote:On October 28 2011 08:50 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:48 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:46 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:45 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:43 Blasterion wrote:
It's just a school fight give them a short suspension to cool their heads God I need to leave this fucking thread because I'm about to explode if another person says this was a normal school fight. This was not a fight at all. kids get beat up in school, happen all the time, what makes gay kids more special than the rest of us? Nothing, it shouldn't be accepted at all, by anybody to anybody else. When both kids want to beat each other up it's a fight. When one kids wants to beat the other up and the other kid only wants to get away, it's assault. And doing 30 push ups makes a lot of anger go away. They are minors, kids, they don't know any better and it's the duty of the educators to correct that, as far as punishments, a short suspension is enough I don't know what world you come from, but anyone over the age of 10 without mental health issues knows VERY CLEARLY that violently assaulting someone is wrong. So they DO KNOW BETTER. Once again, duty of educators to correct that behavior, do you expect police to show up for every bullying event across your country?
Dude, did you watch the video? He is wating for him, and then throwing like 10 straight jabs at his head.. the victim was totally defenseless.. That is not bullying, that is assault.. I mean, if he hits the wrong place of his head the kid will die.
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On October 28 2011 08:59 JujuXG wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:44 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:42 Mortal wrote:On October 28 2011 08:40 ampson wrote:
Suspension, because it is just a school fight. There is proof that it is because the student was gay, but no proof of premeditation. Honestly, this is not even newsworthy. Kids get beaten up in schools all the time, for various reasons. Sad, but too common for the national news. Was about to post exactly this. Hundreds of kids get beaten up every day, and kids have been getting beaten up since the beginning of time. Whether it was because the kid was "different" or what have you, it's always been happening. Either learn to defend yourself, grow some thicker skin, or this will continue to happen. Not being insensitive, it is unfortunate that it happened, but it's not news at all. And this is why it continues, because we just accept when one kids beats the shit out of another when the kid who got beat up wanted nothing to do with it. Two kids getting into a mutual fight is one thing, one kid seeking out and beating the shit out another should not be accepted. QTF Agree 100%
It has never been a big deal and it shouldn't be now. The educators and parents should be the ones involved. Asking police to deal with every schoolyard beating is an absolute joke and you're way too sensitive if you're looking for that.
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On October 28 2011 08:57 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:55 Tektos wrote:On October 28 2011 08:50 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:48 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:46 Blasterion wrote:On October 28 2011 08:45 Myles wrote:On October 28 2011 08:43 Blasterion wrote:
It's just a school fight give them a short suspension to cool their heads God I need to leave this fucking thread because I'm about to explode if another person says this was a normal school fight. This was not a fight at all. kids get beat up in school, happen all the time, what makes gay kids more special than the rest of us? Nothing, it shouldn't be accepted at all, by anybody to anybody else. When both kids want to beat each other up it's a fight. When one kids wants to beat the other up and the other kid only wants to get away, it's assault. And doing 30 push ups makes a lot of anger go away. They are minors, kids, they don't know any better and it's the duty of the educators to correct that, as far as punishments, a short suspension is enough I don't know what world you come from, but anyone over the age of 10 without mental health issues knows VERY CLEARLY that violently assaulting someone is wrong. So they DO KNOW BETTER. Once again, duty of educators to correct that behavior, do you expect police to show up for every bullying event across your country?
Yes they have the duty to correct the behavior, which involves giving appropriate punishment.
3 day suspension for a violent assault is NOT APPROPRIATE PUNISHMENT.
Teachers have every right and reasons to involve the police if the wrongdoing is sever enough, I don't expect police to be called if a kid calls their teacher an idiot but if you have premeditated assaults occurring in the classroom this CAN and SHOULD be escalated to the police so they can deal the appropriate punishment.
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On October 28 2011 08:59 Blasterion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 08:58 TheSwamp wrote:On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... No one is asking for police to break up every school yard fight. People want the kid to be prosecuted for his actions. They are completely different. The kid is under 20 probably unemployed, what do you want from him?
What does that have to do with anything? Are you suggesting some kind of sueing? No this is for a crime, as in jail time.
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