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Honestly, if you don't want to get made fun of, then why the fuck do you talk like that?
On October 28 2011 10:58 Underoath wrote:
Many kids get abused and beaten in schools nowadays.
Nowadays? This has been happening forever. Its part of being a human man. Its instinctual to be competitive with others and to want to be dominate. Everyone should get into get in a fight at least once, or at least everyone should learn how to stick up for themselves to some extent. There's always been cases were its been too extreme, but I don't see this as one of them.
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The school don't have to decide to involve the police for them to be involved. If the victim's family feel it is serious assault enough, they can press charges themselves. If they choose not to, that's their perogative.
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yea sure, lets stone the bully to death.
wake up people!
both bully and that gay needs mental help. both sides have flaws and must be treated well, not punished to death.
bully needs to realize beating up an inferior human being is not correct coz it can happen to him aswell and that gay should stop luring narrowminded people like that bully because that wont be his last fight, he is young and gay. he needs to learn how to act properly in public to avoid future assaults.
its not a gay thing. everyday, around the whole world, there are bullies and the targets and all targets are not gay. there are lots of different people getting bullied. why does it have to be the gay ones that are important?
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people really think some kid should go to JAIL becouse he beat up some other guy at school?
like the guys screaming about to put him in fucking jail for TEN YEARS couse of a school fight i can not even imagine your understanding of a justice system lol how can you even suggest sth like that without a ban for trolling
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On October 28 2011 11:12 AlphaWhale wrote:
Gaol/Jail is expensive. It doesn't help anyone. It's a siphon on taxes and is used as an easy answer to complex questions. These sorts of crimes and acts need to be dealt with in a rehabilitating and educating way rather than just prison.
This is the problem. People see a bad thing happen and just say "prison". It's meant to keep vicious people out of society for our safety, not be the timeout corner of society.
Yes the kid needs to be punished, but you throw him into a prison and you have a good chance of creating a useless member of society, totally useless.
I tend to agree, particularly when we are talking about children/minors. They're still somewhat malleable and can be put on a more positive or more negative trajectory depending on how the punishment/correction is applied.
The question is how do you rehabilitate someone who is a homophobe (assuming that is the case here)? If that's the case, there's a good chance it's being reinforced at home.
Regardless of one's opinion on sentencing, that's part of the reason why our society is concerned about hate crime and views it as slightly worse than the same crime committed randomly. A violent bigot probably feels that his victim is somewhat less than human or deserves to be victimized. Such a person may not really "learn their lesson" and continue to act in the same manner. How do we effectively correct that?
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On October 28 2011 11:21 Reyis wrote:
yea sure, lets stone the bully to death.
wake up people!
both bully and that gay needs mental help. both sides have flaws and must be treated well, not punished to death.
bully needs to realize beating up an inferior human being is not correct coz it can happen to him aswell and that gay should stop luring narrowminded people like that bully because that wont be his last fight, he is young and gay. he needs to learn how to act properly in public to avoid future assaults.
its not a gay thing. everyday, around the whole world, there are bullies and the targets and all targets are not gay. there are lots of different people getting bullied. why does it have to be the gay ones that are important?
I seriously hope you get banned for your disgusting opinion.
1) Gays don't need mental help.
2) Being gay is not a flaw.
3) Gays are not "inferior human being[s]"
4) The gay kid was not luring the bully into assaulting him
5) He can act however he wants in public so long as it doesn't breach the rights of others, he didn't deserve to be assaulted because he acts differently.
6) He was targeted specifically because he was gay, in this day and age that is most certainly looked down upon, hence why this article got the attention it did.
It is ignorant people like you who are holding this world back on equality and tolerance.
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What amazes me is not the fact that the kid was beaten up, but rather that the liberal media jumped boat really fast onto this kid. Gay kids and straight kids get beaten up every single day, but the media doesn't showcase the straight nerd getting slammed by some gay jocks. They try to feed us shit that the gay kid was beaten up because of his sexuality. Do we have proof that the kid openly stated that he was gay? If so, then the kid deserves some compensation. IF he never did, then is just a bloated way to shove down our throats that gay people are more special than normal people.
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If he wouldn't have been gay, this would not be on the news. This happens all the time for similar nonsensical reasons. Anyone who has been to high school can tell you that. I don't see the big deal. Sure, it's wrong, but what's so special about this to make a thread about it?
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On October 28 2011 11:32 amazingxkcd wrote:
What amazes me is not the fact that the kid was beaten up, but rather that the liberal media jumped boat really fast onto this kid. Gay kids and straight kids get beaten up every single day, but the media doesn't showcase the straight nerd getting slammed by some gay jocks. They try to feed us shit that the gay kid was beaten up because of his sexuality. Do we have proof that the kid openly stated that he was gay? If so, then the kid deserves some compensation. IF he never did, then is just a bloated way to shove down our throats that gay people are more special than normal people.
God Hates Nerds.
Not applicable. Nobody wants straight people to die.
here you go http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
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6) He was targeted specifically because he was gay, in this day and age that is most certainly looked down upon, hence why this article got the attention it did.
People get targeted for being ANYTHING. Being gay isn't any different than being fat. I would bet you anything more fat people get made fun of than gay people. Where's all the people defending fat people?
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On October 28 2011 11:16 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 11:12 AlphaWhale wrote:
Gaol/Jail is expensive. It doesn't help anyone. It's a siphon on taxes and is used as an easy answer to complex questions. These sorts of crimes and acts need to be dealt with in a rehabilitating and educating way rather than just prison.
This is the problem. People see a bad thing happen and just say "prison". It's meant to keep vicious people out of society for our safety, not be the timeout corner of society.
Yes the kid needs to be punished, but you throw him into a prison and you have a good chance of creating a useless member of society, totally useless. Educate the kid into what? This isn't a non-violent crime, it's not typing "Fag" on the internet. From what I understand, the victim was targeted because of their sexuality. There's nothing to educate or rehabilitate. There's just no room in a society for people like that. This is a good example where prison is the right answer.
Yes, because an assault resulting in a concussion and a chipped tooth deserve a lengthy prison sentence :/. If an adult assaulted another adult with the same consequences, the penalty would likely be a fine plus a probationary period. Seeing how this is a kid, I don't really see how people can be arguing for harsher sentences then that. I feel sorry for the victim, but this isn't exactly a big deal. People get beat up every freaking day, and much worse then this.
But hey, let's lock even more people up in prison, because that's worked out so well in the past. This thread is getting utterly ridiculous, and shows why it's so great that we have a legal system that isn't based on gut reaction.
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:[ no more depressing stories in the General section please.......
Poor guy. Being gay doesn't automatically qualify someone to be beaten up..... shame on that dumbass bully..... shame!
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On October 28 2011 11:32 amazingxkcd wrote:
What amazes me is not the fact that the kid was beaten up, but rather that the liberal media jumped boat really fast onto this kid. Gay kids and straight kids get beaten up every single day, but the media doesn't showcase the straight nerd getting slammed by some gay jocks. They try to feed us shit that the gay kid was beaten up because of his sexuality. Do we have proof that the kid openly stated that he was gay? If so, then the kid deserves some compensation. IF he never did, then is just a bloated way to shove down our throats that gay people are more special than normal people.
im going to hate myself for thinking like this, but you said liberal media and i couldnt take anything you said seriously anymore. if you want people to listen to your point of view try not to contradict yourself in the same paragraph, makes it far too easy to spot.
you make a (not even relevent) claim of liberal bias in the media, then follow it up disputing an unsourced claim by said media.
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On October 28 2011 11:36 Derez wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 11:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:12 AlphaWhale wrote:
Gaol/Jail is expensive. It doesn't help anyone. It's a siphon on taxes and is used as an easy answer to complex questions. These sorts of crimes and acts need to be dealt with in a rehabilitating and educating way rather than just prison.
This is the problem. People see a bad thing happen and just say "prison". It's meant to keep vicious people out of society for our safety, not be the timeout corner of society.
Yes the kid needs to be punished, but you throw him into a prison and you have a good chance of creating a useless member of society, totally useless. Educate the kid into what? This isn't a non-violent crime, it's not typing "Fag" on the internet. From what I understand, the victim was targeted because of their sexuality. There's nothing to educate or rehabilitate. There's just no room in a society for people like that. This is a good example where prison is the right answer. Yes, because an assault resulting in a concussion and a chipped tooth deserve a lengthy prison sentence :/. If an adult assaulted another adult with the same consequences, the penalty would likely be a fine plus a probationary period. Seeing how this is a kid, I don't really see how people can be arguing for harsher sentences then that. I feel sorry for the kid, but this isn't exactly a big deal. People get beat up every freaking day, and much worse then this. But hey, let's lock even more people up in prison, because that's worked out so well in the past. This thread is getting utterly ridiculous, and shows why it's so great that we have a legal system that isn't based on gut reaction.
I didn't mention any length of time regarding prison.
Prison isn't only for retribution, there are many roles prison fulfills. Including keeping people, like the aggressor in this situation, out of society.
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On October 28 2011 11:35 nennx wrote:Show nested quote +6) He was targeted specifically because he was gay, in this day and age that is most certainly looked down upon, hence why this article got the attention it did.
People get targeted for being ANYTHING. Being gay isn't any different than being fat. I would bet you anything more fat people get made fun of than gay people. Where's all the people defending fat people?
In Australia not long ago a bully was picking on a bigger fat kid and the fat kid finally snapped and lifted him up, then slamming him to the ground. Thousands of people were applauding the fat kid and defending his actions because the bully got what he deserved.
Also, being gay isn't a choice, being fat is.
If the kid was black and got beaten up for being black it likely would have caused a stir too.
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On October 28 2011 11:16 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 11:12 AlphaWhale wrote:
Gaol/Jail is expensive. It doesn't help anyone. It's a siphon on taxes and is used as an easy answer to complex questions. These sorts of crimes and acts need to be dealt with in a rehabilitating and educating way rather than just prison.
This is the problem. People see a bad thing happen and just say "prison". It's meant to keep vicious people out of society for our safety, not be the timeout corner of society.
Yes the kid needs to be punished, but you throw him into a prison and you have a good chance of creating a useless member of society, totally useless. Educate the kid into what? This isn't a non-violent crime, it's not typing "Fag" on the internet. From what I understand, the victim was targeted because of their sexuality. There's nothing to educate or rehabilitate. There's just no room in a society for people like that. This is a good example where prison is the right answer.
If someone who is anti-gay can't help himself or be re-educated then we have to seriously reconsider not just hate crime laws but whether we should prosecute the perpetrators at all. After all he can't help himself, according to this logic. This bigotry is exactly the kind of thing that can be changed because it's an idea, or a belief system, not an immutable characteristic.
The kid isn't going to jail over this because he's underage. He *might* get some juvenile detention depending on the jurisdiction. The simplistic "lock 'em up and throw away the key!" types like you are why we have a ridiculously high incarceration rate.
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On October 28 2011 11:40 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 11:35 nennx wrote:6) He was targeted specifically because he was gay, in this day and age that is most certainly looked down upon, hence why this article got the attention it did.
People get targeted for being ANYTHING. Being gay isn't any different than being fat. I would bet you anything more fat people get made fun of than gay people. Where's all the people defending fat people? In Australia not long ago a bully was picking on a bigger fat kid and the fat kid finally snapped and lifted him up, then slamming him to the ground. Thousands of people were applauding the fat kid and defending his actions because the bully got what he deserved. Also, being gay isn't a choice, being fat is. If the kid was black and got beaten up for being black it likely would have caused a stir too.
Being fat as a kid isn't your choice. No one can make your parents feed you well to stop you from becoming overweight as a child, just like no one can make your parents give you whatever childhood causes you to become gay.
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On October 28 2011 11:40 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 11:35 nennx wrote:6) He was targeted specifically because he was gay, in this day and age that is most certainly looked down upon, hence why this article got the attention it did.
People get targeted for being ANYTHING. Being gay isn't any different than being fat. I would bet you anything more fat people get made fun of than gay people. Where's all the people defending fat people? In Australia not long ago a bully was picking on a bigger fat kid and the fat kid finally snapped and lifted him up, then slamming him to the ground. Thousands of people were applauding the fat kid and defending his actions because the bully got what he deserved. Also, being gay isn't a choice, being fat is. If the kid was black and got beaten up for being black it likely would have caused a stir too.
So it's ok to beat up a kid for choosing to be fat?
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On October 28 2011 11:40 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 11:35 nennx wrote:6) He was targeted specifically because he was gay, in this day and age that is most certainly looked down upon, hence why this article got the attention it did.
People get targeted for being ANYTHING. Being gay isn't any different than being fat. I would bet you anything more fat people get made fun of than gay people. Where's all the people defending fat people? Also, being gay isn't a choice, being fat is.
first of all, i think this is an awfully debatable statement. i'm not saying being gay is a choice, rather that some people (especially kids, who are going to eat what their parents give them) don't choose to be fat.
second of all, i don't think that just because something is a "choice" has any bearing whatsoever on the morality of attacking them. unless the "choice" is to harm someone, i don't think violence is really ever justified.
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On October 28 2011 11:38 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 11:36 Derez wrote:On October 28 2011 11:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:12 AlphaWhale wrote:
Gaol/Jail is expensive. It doesn't help anyone. It's a siphon on taxes and is used as an easy answer to complex questions. These sorts of crimes and acts need to be dealt with in a rehabilitating and educating way rather than just prison.
This is the problem. People see a bad thing happen and just say "prison". It's meant to keep vicious people out of society for our safety, not be the timeout corner of society.
Yes the kid needs to be punished, but you throw him into a prison and you have a good chance of creating a useless member of society, totally useless. Educate the kid into what? This isn't a non-violent crime, it's not typing "Fag" on the internet. From what I understand, the victim was targeted because of their sexuality. There's nothing to educate or rehabilitate. There's just no room in a society for people like that. This is a good example where prison is the right answer. Yes, because an assault resulting in a concussion and a chipped tooth deserve a lengthy prison sentence :/. If an adult assaulted another adult with the same consequences, the penalty would likely be a fine plus a probationary period. Seeing how this is a kid, I don't really see how people can be arguing for harsher sentences then that. I feel sorry for the kid, but this isn't exactly a big deal. People get beat up every freaking day, and much worse then this. But hey, let's lock even more people up in prison, because that's worked out so well in the past. This thread is getting utterly ridiculous, and shows why it's so great that we have a legal system that isn't based on gut reaction. I didn't mention any length of time regarding prison. Prison isn't only for retribution, there are many roles prison fulfills. Including keeping people, like the aggressor in this situation, out of society.
Wanting to keep someone 'out of society' implies a long prison sentence, because removing someone for a week and a half is hardly keeping someone out of society now is it?
Point is that the 1,5 weeks the perpetrator spends in prison are actually likely to make him an even worse person in general, instead of actually changing him in a more positive way. I'm all for punishment, but it needs to be measured and appropriate to the crime. Juvie is no joke, and putting a high-schooler into the system for hitting another high-schooler and chipping his tooth isn't an appropriate and measured response at all.
Seriously, all of you advocating prison sentences for something like this need a reality check. You're already locking up more people in jail then at any point in history in the USSR, and now you want to add high-schoolers that hit other high-schoolers to that mess?
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