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Not often am I disappointed in TL but reading all of these hate comments makes me sad... Why?
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On October 28 2011 12:07 rycho wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 12:03 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:57 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 11:48 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 11:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:12 AlphaWhale wrote:
Gaol/Jail is expensive. It doesn't help anyone. It's a siphon on taxes and is used as an easy answer to complex questions. These sorts of crimes and acts need to be dealt with in a rehabilitating and educating way rather than just prison.
This is the problem. People see a bad thing happen and just say "prison". It's meant to keep vicious people out of society for our safety, not be the timeout corner of society.
Yes the kid needs to be punished, but you throw him into a prison and you have a good chance of creating a useless member of society, totally useless. Educate the kid into what? This isn't a non-violent crime, it's not typing "Fag" on the internet. From what I understand, the victim was targeted because of their sexuality. There's nothing to educate or rehabilitate. There's just no room in a society for people like that. This is a good example where prison is the right answer. If someone who is anti-gay can't help himself or be re-educated then we have to seriously reconsider not just hate crime laws but whether we should prosecute the perpetrators at all. After all he can't help himself, according to this logic. This bigotry is exactly the kind of thing that can be changed because it's an idea, or a belief system, not an immutable characteristic. The kid isn't going to jail over this because he's underage. He *might* get some juvenile detention depending on the jurisdiction. The simplistic "lock 'em up and throw away the key!" types like you are why we have a ridiculously high incarceration rate. There's no such thing as "accidentally homophobic". Only the willfully ignorant can be willfully intolerant. And I mean intolerant as in, "this kind of shit shouldn't exist and I will take it upon myself to get rid of it." I hate fat people, but I tolerate them. How does his age factor into his religious beliefs? (athiest homophobe, make me laugh). There's no reason to accept this kind of person in society. Until that changes, the person should be kept out of society. You know where that place is? Prison. I honestly think you're trolling now. Since you now admit he can change and be reeducated, the obvious answer is not prison but counseling/probation. duh. But why would he want to change? And you don't think counseling exists in prisons? And what does probation entail? It's just supervision. It doesn't exclude the aggressor from society and supervision isn't even punishment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deterrence_(psychology)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rehabilitation_(penology)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Retributive_justicehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UtilitarianismPeople think prison is only punishment. Those people are as ignorant as the homophobe. Only 1 of those 4 pillars on the theories of the purposes of prison is "punishment". Probation isn't retribution, deterrence, or utilitarianism. The only thing that can be attributed to probation is Rehabilitation. It's a slap on the wrist and doesn't help anyone but the aggressor. i don't know how you can define probation as not retribution; what exactly do you think it is?
Alright, let's define punishment.
"suffering, pain, or loss that serves as retribution" (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/punishment)
Exactly where is the suffering, pain, or loss that happens with probation? What do you lose, how do you suffer, where is the pain?
Probation is supervision, it's not punishment.
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On October 28 2011 12:07 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On October 28 2011 11:57 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 11:48 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 11:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:12 AlphaWhale wrote:
Gaol/Jail is expensive. It doesn't help anyone. It's a siphon on taxes and is used as an easy answer to complex questions. These sorts of crimes and acts need to be dealt with in a rehabilitating and educating way rather than just prison.
This is the problem. People see a bad thing happen and just say "prison". It's meant to keep vicious people out of society for our safety, not be the timeout corner of society.
Yes the kid needs to be punished, but you throw him into a prison and you have a good chance of creating a useless member of society, totally useless. Educate the kid into what? This isn't a non-violent crime, it's not typing "Fag" on the internet. From what I understand, the victim was targeted because of their sexuality. There's nothing to educate or rehabilitate. There's just no room in a society for people like that. This is a good example where prison is the right answer. If someone who is anti-gay can't help himself or be re-educated then we have to seriously reconsider not just hate crime laws but whether we should prosecute the perpetrators at all. After all he can't help himself, according to this logic. This bigotry is exactly the kind of thing that can be changed because it's an idea, or a belief system, not an immutable characteristic. The kid isn't going to jail over this because he's underage. He *might* get some juvenile detention depending on the jurisdiction. The simplistic "lock 'em up and throw away the key!" types like you are why we have a ridiculously high incarceration rate. There's no such thing as "accidentally homophobic". Only the willfully ignorant can be willfully intolerant. And I mean intolerant as in, "this kind of shit shouldn't exist and I will take it upon myself to get rid of it." I hate fat people, but I tolerate them. How does his age factor into his religious beliefs? (athiest homophobe, make me laugh). There's no reason to accept this kind of person in society. Until that changes, the person should be kept out of society. You know where that place is? Prison. I honestly think you're trolling now. Since you now admit he can change and be reeducated, the obvious answer is not prison but counseling/probation. duh. He stated that he can change but he chooses not to. You can't reeducate someone who is not willing to be reeducated. Especially when his parents are teaching him the exact opposite. There's nothing in the story that indicates the attacker is unwilling, except his facebook quote which makes me believe the bigotry is fairly deeply ingrained. People also tend to make these big changes when faced with serious consequences in law. And, tbqh, fixing the bigotry is secondary to preventing further physical attacks since being a homophobe is not inherently dangerous. In other words, he needs some monitoring/examination to make sure he is unlikely to repeat his crime. Prison isn't necessary for that.
I wasn't advocating that he be locked in jail, I was simply clearing up what Hnnngg said because it definitely seemed like you misinterpreted it.
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On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight...
It wasn't a school fight, it was an assault and hate crime.
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On October 28 2011 12:07 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On October 28 2011 11:57 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 11:48 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 11:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:12 AlphaWhale wrote:
Gaol/Jail is expensive. It doesn't help anyone. It's a siphon on taxes and is used as an easy answer to complex questions. These sorts of crimes and acts need to be dealt with in a rehabilitating and educating way rather than just prison.
This is the problem. People see a bad thing happen and just say "prison". It's meant to keep vicious people out of society for our safety, not be the timeout corner of society.
Yes the kid needs to be punished, but you throw him into a prison and you have a good chance of creating a useless member of society, totally useless. Educate the kid into what? This isn't a non-violent crime, it's not typing "Fag" on the internet. From what I understand, the victim was targeted because of their sexuality. There's nothing to educate or rehabilitate. There's just no room in a society for people like that. This is a good example where prison is the right answer. If someone who is anti-gay can't help himself or be re-educated then we have to seriously reconsider not just hate crime laws but whether we should prosecute the perpetrators at all. After all he can't help himself, according to this logic. This bigotry is exactly the kind of thing that can be changed because it's an idea, or a belief system, not an immutable characteristic. The kid isn't going to jail over this because he's underage. He *might* get some juvenile detention depending on the jurisdiction. The simplistic "lock 'em up and throw away the key!" types like you are why we have a ridiculously high incarceration rate. There's no such thing as "accidentally homophobic". Only the willfully ignorant can be willfully intolerant. And I mean intolerant as in, "this kind of shit shouldn't exist and I will take it upon myself to get rid of it." I hate fat people, but I tolerate them. How does his age factor into his religious beliefs? (athiest homophobe, make me laugh). There's no reason to accept this kind of person in society. Until that changes, the person should be kept out of society. You know where that place is? Prison. I honestly think you're trolling now. Since you now admit he can change and be reeducated, the obvious answer is not prison but counseling/probation. duh. He stated that he can change but he chooses not to. You can't reeducate someone who is not willing to be reeducated. Especially when his parents are teaching him the exact opposite. There's nothing in the story that indicates the attacker is unwilling, except his facebook quote which makes me believe the bigotry is fairly deeply ingrained. People also tend to make these big changes when faced with serious consequences in law. And, tbqh, fixing the bigotry is secondary to preventing further physical attacks since being a homophobe is not inherently dangerous. In other words, he needs some monitoring/examination to make sure he is unlikely to repeat his crime. Prison isn't necessary for that.
Alright, let's assume no jail time is given and he's given probation.
What does that do? Does that make it seem like going to prison is worse?
How could he not be aware of the serious consequences of the law? Would probation somehow change him around, make him a non-violent homophobe?
Or, we could look at the different kinds of prison.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison#United_States
Most of the fear towards prisons making small-time criminals into big-time criminals doesn't happen in minimum security prison. Minimum security prison, as the almighty wikipedia states, "The lowest level of security to which an inmate can be assigned directly. This type of prison is typically a "prison farm", or other work-oriented facility, and most often houses petty or "white collar" criminals."
White-collar and petty. Sounds like a sufficient place according to the crime.
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On October 28 2011 12:13 Shebuha wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 07:42 trainRiderJ wrote:
I hate to break it to you but the police force doesn't have the manpower to be involved in every school fight... It wasn't a school fight, it was an assault and hate crime.
It was a school fight. You are slapping the term "hate crime" on to something that is neglible just because they find out that he is gay. If you want to consider this a hate crime, then let me know when you got 20 police officers stationed in every high school in the midwest.
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No punishment, of course there going to say its a hate crime, theyre the victims! There are 2 sides to every story people. You should hear both before judge on a possible skewed case.
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What does it even matter if it was a god damn hate crime? Who cares about the intention? The fact that this kid assaulted someone should be the important thing here we discuss. The assaulter should go to jail and be expelled ontop of that.
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This is kinda dumb, why not just a longer suspension?
Or do we want the police getting involved with everything. You think giving this kid a criminal record for life is going to help him change his outlook towards gays?
Completely ridiculous that the most reasonable option is second to last with only 2% of the votes. QUICKLY GUYS. POLARIZE EVERYTHING.
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On October 28 2011 12:22 Half wrote:
This is kinda dumb, why not just a longer suspension?
Or do we want the police getting involved with everything. You think giving this kid a criminal record for life is going to help him change his outlook towards gays?
Completely ridiculous that the most reasonable option is second to last with only 2% of the votes. QUICKLY GUYS. POLARIZE EVERYTHING.
If someone does something illegal then hell yes I want the police being involved.
What does it take for a crime like this which happens at school to be taken seriously? Does the victim need for die for you to see it as a legitimate cause for police to be called?
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On October 28 2011 12:17 Hnnngg wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 12:07 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On October 28 2011 11:57 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 11:48 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 11:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:12 AlphaWhale wrote:
Gaol/Jail is expensive. It doesn't help anyone. It's a siphon on taxes and is used as an easy answer to complex questions. These sorts of crimes and acts need to be dealt with in a rehabilitating and educating way rather than just prison.
This is the problem. People see a bad thing happen and just say "prison". It's meant to keep vicious people out of society for our safety, not be the timeout corner of society.
Yes the kid needs to be punished, but you throw him into a prison and you have a good chance of creating a useless member of society, totally useless. Educate the kid into what? This isn't a non-violent crime, it's not typing "Fag" on the internet. From what I understand, the victim was targeted because of their sexuality. There's nothing to educate or rehabilitate. There's just no room in a society for people like that. This is a good example where prison is the right answer. If someone who is anti-gay can't help himself or be re-educated then we have to seriously reconsider not just hate crime laws but whether we should prosecute the perpetrators at all. After all he can't help himself, according to this logic. This bigotry is exactly the kind of thing that can be changed because it's an idea, or a belief system, not an immutable characteristic. The kid isn't going to jail over this because he's underage. He *might* get some juvenile detention depending on the jurisdiction. The simplistic "lock 'em up and throw away the key!" types like you are why we have a ridiculously high incarceration rate. There's no such thing as "accidentally homophobic". Only the willfully ignorant can be willfully intolerant. And I mean intolerant as in, "this kind of shit shouldn't exist and I will take it upon myself to get rid of it." I hate fat people, but I tolerate them. How does his age factor into his religious beliefs? (athiest homophobe, make me laugh). There's no reason to accept this kind of person in society. Until that changes, the person should be kept out of society. You know where that place is? Prison. I honestly think you're trolling now. Since you now admit he can change and be reeducated, the obvious answer is not prison but counseling/probation. duh. He stated that he can change but he chooses not to. You can't reeducate someone who is not willing to be reeducated. Especially when his parents are teaching him the exact opposite. There's nothing in the story that indicates the attacker is unwilling, except his facebook quote which makes me believe the bigotry is fairly deeply ingrained. People also tend to make these big changes when faced with serious consequences in law. And, tbqh, fixing the bigotry is secondary to preventing further physical attacks since being a homophobe is not inherently dangerous. In other words, he needs some monitoring/examination to make sure he is unlikely to repeat his crime. Prison isn't necessary for that. Alright, let's assume no jail time is given and he's given probation. What does that do? Does that make it seem like going to prison is worse? How could he not be aware of the serious consequences of the law? Would probation somehow change him around, make him a non-violent homophobe? Or, we could look at the different kinds of prison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison#United_StatesMost of the fear towards prisons making small-time criminals into big-time criminals doesn't happen in minimum security prison. Minimum security prison, as the almighty wikipedia states, "The lowest level of security to which an inmate can be assigned directly. This type of prison is typically a "prison farm", or other work-oriented facility, and most often houses petty or "white collar" criminals." White-collar and petty. Sounds like a sufficient place according to the crime.
I don't think even a minimum security prison is fitting for the crime with the facts we have at hand. For starters, we assume (partly because the attacker's identity is withheld, partly because it's HS) that he is underage. Therefore he won't be imprisoned for this level of crime. Second, and this is the core distinction, prisons are not and should not be the first punitive measure considered when a violation of law has occurred. Only when non-prison options have been exhausted should we go there. That does not appear to be the case in this instance.
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On October 28 2011 11:28 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 11:21 Reyis wrote:
yea sure, lets stone the bully to death.
wake up people!
both bully and that gay needs mental help. both sides have flaws and must be treated well, not punished to death.
bully needs to realize beating up an inferior human being is not correct coz it can happen to him aswell and that gay should stop luring narrowminded people like that bully because that wont be his last fight, he is young and gay. he needs to learn how to act properly in public to avoid future assaults.
its not a gay thing. everyday, around the whole world, there are bullies and the targets and all targets are not gay. there are lots of different people getting bullied. why does it have to be the gay ones that are important? I seriously hope you get banned for your disgusting opinion. 1) Gays don't need mental help. 2) Being gay is not a flaw. 3) Gays are not "inferior human being[s]" 4) The gay kid was not luring the bully into assaulting him 5) He can act however he wants in public so long as it doesn't breach the rights of others, he didn't deserve to be assaulted because he acts differently. 6) He was targeted specifically because he was gay, in this day and age that is most certainly looked down upon, hence why this article got the attention it did. It is ignorant people like you who are holding this world back on equality and tolerance.
Uhm, your assuming that all men ARE created equal... hey hey wake up and look, there have been over 200 republics in the world, guess what a republic is based on. HUMAN INEQUALITY! America is a Democratic REPUBLIC. There is also many many great philosophers rangeing from Plato to St. Thomas Aquinis to Friedrich Neitzshe who based there ideal govement on the fact that not all men are equal. Hell, its argueable that the founding fathers didn't want everyone to be able to vote, they saw it as more of a privilege then a right. News flash, people ALOT smarter then you do not believe in absolute human equality. How are we supposed to judge someone then besides there traits and the traits that naturally follow from those? How are humans supposed to ameliorate themselves? Its probable that i could look at the kid and know he's gay, which is the art of physiognomonics. Your making a statement that has no meat to it, and you expect everyone to have the same morals and ideas about equality as you? sorry for double post, just had to respond to this kid.
+ Show Spoiler +This is said on principal, im not gay bashing
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On October 28 2011 12:29 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 12:22 Half wrote:
This is kinda dumb, why not just a longer suspension?
Or do we want the police getting involved with everything. You think giving this kid a criminal record for life is going to help him change his outlook towards gays?
Completely ridiculous that the most reasonable option is second to last with only 2% of the votes. QUICKLY GUYS. POLARIZE EVERYTHING. If someone does something illegal then hell yes I want the police being involved. What does it take for a crime like this which happens at school to be taken seriously? Does the victim need for die for you to see it as a legitimate cause for police to be called?
The Police are not the answer to everything, the police getting involved won't really change anything. You can't simply go through life and everything that goes against you tell somebody and get them to punish them for you. The kid who beat up that guy should be suspended because fights happen (I get it, this was more assault than a fight but I'd still put it in there.) and if something else happens along those lines then I'd really stick it to him.
Lets say the kid who did the assault gets charged, gets probation and gets his life pretty fucked up over it. What if that kid was popular and life only gets worse for the guy who got beat up because this situation happened, what if other people kick his ass on the way home from school then what have we done? Instead of helping somebody understand the world better we've made one guy bitter and angry towards the world and three or four others futures fucked over because of criminal records.
People need to stop with this garbage and stand up for themselves, I know when I was in school and shit went down there might be a couple of punches but if a fight got that serious people would be pulling it apart not egging it on no matter who was involved in it. Sometimes police involvement can only make situations like this worse if everybody turns on the victim.
If it can be solved and people learn lessons from a suspension then perfect, everythings okay. The kid who got his shit kicked will look like the bigger man for not being a douche and charging etc and hopefully get more support in the school and the other guy might change his point of view, regardless of what SHOULD happen if the outcome to the people is better one way then do it that way.
I watched the video, and it was brutal and disgusting. Especially when he started to really crack him while he was on the ground undefended, that is not defensible but I hope there is a solution that lets two lives move on better off for this situation, not one that ruins many more.
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I dont usually post without reading at least most of the OP, but I saw "Student gets beaten up in classroom," then saw the poll for "What punishment would you have given?"
39 said "no punishment" for some kid beating the shit outta another kid. Wtf?
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On October 28 2011 12:35 NovaTheFeared wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 12:17 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 12:07 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 12:00 Tektos wrote:On October 28 2011 11:57 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 11:48 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:42 NovaTheFeared wrote:On October 28 2011 11:16 Hnnngg wrote:On October 28 2011 11:12 AlphaWhale wrote:
Gaol/Jail is expensive. It doesn't help anyone. It's a siphon on taxes and is used as an easy answer to complex questions. These sorts of crimes and acts need to be dealt with in a rehabilitating and educating way rather than just prison.
This is the problem. People see a bad thing happen and just say "prison". It's meant to keep vicious people out of society for our safety, not be the timeout corner of society.
Yes the kid needs to be punished, but you throw him into a prison and you have a good chance of creating a useless member of society, totally useless. Educate the kid into what? This isn't a non-violent crime, it's not typing "Fag" on the internet. From what I understand, the victim was targeted because of their sexuality. There's nothing to educate or rehabilitate. There's just no room in a society for people like that. This is a good example where prison is the right answer. If someone who is anti-gay can't help himself or be re-educated then we have to seriously reconsider not just hate crime laws but whether we should prosecute the perpetrators at all. After all he can't help himself, according to this logic. This bigotry is exactly the kind of thing that can be changed because it's an idea, or a belief system, not an immutable characteristic. The kid isn't going to jail over this because he's underage. He *might* get some juvenile detention depending on the jurisdiction. The simplistic "lock 'em up and throw away the key!" types like you are why we have a ridiculously high incarceration rate. There's no such thing as "accidentally homophobic". Only the willfully ignorant can be willfully intolerant. And I mean intolerant as in, "this kind of shit shouldn't exist and I will take it upon myself to get rid of it." I hate fat people, but I tolerate them. How does his age factor into his religious beliefs? (athiest homophobe, make me laugh). There's no reason to accept this kind of person in society. Until that changes, the person should be kept out of society. You know where that place is? Prison. I honestly think you're trolling now. Since you now admit he can change and be reeducated, the obvious answer is not prison but counseling/probation. duh. He stated that he can change but he chooses not to. You can't reeducate someone who is not willing to be reeducated. Especially when his parents are teaching him the exact opposite. There's nothing in the story that indicates the attacker is unwilling, except his facebook quote which makes me believe the bigotry is fairly deeply ingrained. People also tend to make these big changes when faced with serious consequences in law. And, tbqh, fixing the bigotry is secondary to preventing further physical attacks since being a homophobe is not inherently dangerous. In other words, he needs some monitoring/examination to make sure he is unlikely to repeat his crime. Prison isn't necessary for that. Alright, let's assume no jail time is given and he's given probation. What does that do? Does that make it seem like going to prison is worse? How could he not be aware of the serious consequences of the law? Would probation somehow change him around, make him a non-violent homophobe? Or, we could look at the different kinds of prison. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison#United_StatesMost of the fear towards prisons making small-time criminals into big-time criminals doesn't happen in minimum security prison. Minimum security prison, as the almighty wikipedia states, "The lowest level of security to which an inmate can be assigned directly. This type of prison is typically a "prison farm", or other work-oriented facility, and most often houses petty or "white collar" criminals." White-collar and petty. Sounds like a sufficient place according to the crime. I don't think even a minimum security prison is fitting for the crime with the facts we have at hand. For starters, we assume (partly because the attacker's identity is withheld, partly because it's HS) that he is underage. Therefore he won't be imprisoned for this level of crime. Second, and this is the core distinction, prisons are not and should not be the first punitive measure considered when a violation of law has occurred. Only when non-prison options have been exhausted should we go there. That does not appear to be the case in this instance.
So, if the attacker was a year older then we could consider prison? That last part about prisons not being the first punitive measure is... an opinion I guess.
I'm thinking about weighing the pros and cons of involving prison and not involving prison. The are minimal cons to involving a minimum security prison sentence for Intolerant Violence. This is a violent crime and should be taken seriously.
What if it happens again? Will that be enough for him to go to prison? If not, what the hell. If yes, why does it have to happen twice? I'm not seeing a reason to not involve prison in this specific case.
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On October 28 2011 10:18 Sfydjklm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 09:53 Jonoman92 wrote:On October 28 2011 09:48 Sfydjklm wrote:
most certainly not a hate crime. Were all nerds here tell me you were never beat up for some stupid reason. I've got beat up once for not having any cigarettes on me.(i don't smoke)
Either way kids will be kids, and there is nothing unusual about fighting in highschool. I've never seen any highschool fights that weren't broken up by bystanders after the fight got violent. So if i could i would definitely suspend the entire classroom of sociopaths. How can you say such nonsense. Whether or not it was really a hate crime or not no one on TL knows for sure. Though there seems to be some evidence that there was. If he was beat up solely because he is gay, then it would make it the definition of a hate crime. i guess my example was a case of hate crime against non smokers! I'm saying the bully is very unlikely to have a properly formed opinion about gay people. And either way as many people already pointed out the whole idea of hate crime is stupid. That is no way to rehabilitate a person - to tell him he is sent to jail "because of a gay person." I think that will have to opposite of the desired effect of force feeding him tolerance. What should be taught is that beating up anyone is quiet wrong.
It sounds like your opinion is that hate crimes shouldn't be punished more severely than normal crimes, which is a view that certainly makes some sense. But that's a little different than just saying it wasn't a hate crime.
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On October 28 2011 12:22 Half wrote:
This is kinda dumb, why not just a longer suspension?
Or do we want the police getting involved with everything. You think giving this kid a criminal record for life is going to help him change his outlook towards gays?
Completely ridiculous that the most reasonable option is second to last with only 2% of the votes. QUICKLY GUYS. POLARIZE EVERYTHING.
I think it's going to set an example that beating the shit out of people for no good reason is illegal and looked down upon by society.
As well it should be.
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On October 28 2011 12:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 12:22 Half wrote:
This is kinda dumb, why not just a longer suspension?
Or do we want the police getting involved with everything. You think giving this kid a criminal record for life is going to help him change his outlook towards gays?
Completely ridiculous that the most reasonable option is second to last with only 2% of the votes. QUICKLY GUYS. POLARIZE EVERYTHING. I think it's going to set an example that beating the shit out of people for no good reason is illegal and looked down upon by society. As well it should be.
But people get beat up in schools all the time, just for reasons other then being gay. What, arrest all of them too?
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On October 28 2011 12:53 Half wrote:Show nested quote +On October 28 2011 12:50 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On October 28 2011 12:22 Half wrote:
This is kinda dumb, why not just a longer suspension?
Or do we want the police getting involved with everything. You think giving this kid a criminal record for life is going to help him change his outlook towards gays?
Completely ridiculous that the most reasonable option is second to last with only 2% of the votes. QUICKLY GUYS. POLARIZE EVERYTHING. I think it's going to set an example that beating the shit out of people for no good reason is illegal and looked down upon by society. As well it should be. But people get beat up in schools all the time, just for reasons other then being gay. What, arrest all of them too?
...why not?
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I'm not exactly sure what punishment he deserves, but it's definitely more than a three day suspension. A hate crime is much more than a simple fight...
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