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On October 20 2011 08:38 Paperplane wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 07:47 Archers_bane wrote:
Might be a touchy topic but being born and raised a Christian, I really can't see myself not helping the child in some way. Anything that would've happened to me for consequences I'd put my faith in Him, much like I do with many other things in my life. I really really really think you shouldn't bring religion into this. It never ends well.
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+ Show Spoiler +Because everyone knows, religion... is... the... best... thingggg....... to................ever.....................happpppppppppppppennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn.................................. andddddddddddddddweeeeeeeeeee alllllllllllllllllllll mighttttttttt........................................be betterrrrrrrrr offfffffffff if weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee act like drones who listen to everyfucking thing and bend over and receive the end of your preists... ope better not add that in, but in all fairness, if I recall right... Isn't religion like the number 1 cause of all death in mankind? Beats out bubonic plague and other shit?
Lets not add in all the witch burning which were there were estimates ranging from 400 thousand women burned to a few million...
Lets be serious, your good faith is a joke stop fucking preaching to us.
ONTOPIC
he sad thing is that scams are so prevalent that most people probably did NOT think the child was dying, but instead think they may be getting tricked by a scammer (help child, people pop out of nowhere blaming you for hurting the child, make a big public scene, etc. all for money).
Not trying to justify by any means, but just highlighting that the situation is so messed up that the instinctual response to help a frickin dying kid has been overridden by self-interest.
Yeah, thats what money does though, time to remove monetary funds from the system entirely and start forming more equality of the masses...
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This incident reminds of the one that happened in ... I wanna say New York (im hoping no one has brought this up yet)
But a woman was being mugged and a bystander when to help her out. Not only did the mugger end up stabbing the bystander, but the woman ended up running. The bystander fell to the ground and countless people walked by, took pictures/videos, and the man ended up dying.
(http://observers.france24.com/content/20100426-good-samaritan-bleeds-death-while-pedestrians-walk-new-york-stabbing-cctv)
Now, I do agree that scams are prevalent in China, but I don't think the first guy WHO SAW THE CHILD GETTING HIT has any excuse for not helping... Anyways its all over the net that the Chinese are losing their morals, but its not just Chinese...
Anyways, this could always be attributed to "bystander syndrome"...
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is she alive now or dead or vegetable???? any update?
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On October 19 2011 12:34 Reaper9 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. Even touching them, you risk the chance of being called a kidnapper. Although I do agree with calling the ambulance, if they cant trace your number.Edit: Also. To those who say they would save the child even if it meant sacrificing your own children. So all those memories and loving times with your children, you would throw it away in a hard-beat? If you are such a knight templar to put your own children through hell, be my guest. If you don't have children or a wife or family, then you do what you feel is right.
What I'm wondering is why they haven't already given up their savings and future income; there are plenty of charities/sponsor a child organizations that would be more than happy for you to donate your entire savings and future earnings, and in the process you will save the lives of MANY children who will likely die otherwise.
Seriously, you would be happy to give up everything for this young girls life if you were put in this situation, so why have you not taken the initiative and donated your life savings to save the lives of others already?
OT it really is a sad issue, that most people there were completely indifferent, but then again i think it is silly that self-righteous arm chair heros from the West feel the need to tell everyone how honorable and heroic they would act in those situations and have a go at the people of China for doing nothing.
Note I am NOT supporting the indifference the people on camera expressed, I would most certainly call the relevant authorities and try to block off the road to prevent further damage. However having read a lot on this issue and similar issues, I would not risk losing everything I have in order to do anything more.
Call me selfish, but I don't see you guys donating your life savings to a charity to help those in need, despite the fact you say you would do it in an instant to save this girl... Why not do it now? Or do you need to see a dying girl in front of you to spark this 'courage'?
Edit: I am not referring to the person I quoted, but the people a few pages back who said they were willing to give up their/their family's future in order to 'do what's right'.
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On October 20 2011 14:54 Ryder. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2011 12:34 Reaper9 wrote:On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. Even touching them, you risk the chance of being called a kidnapper. Although I do agree with calling the ambulance, if they cant trace your number.Edit: Also. To those who say they would save the child even if it meant sacrificing your own children. So all those memories and loving times with your children, you would throw it away in a hard-beat? If you are such a knight templar to put your own children through hell, be my guest. If you don't have children or a wife or family, then you do what you feel is right. What I'm wondering is why they haven't already given up their savings and future income; there are plenty of charities/sponsor a child organizations that would be more than happy for you to donate your entire savings and future earnings, and in the process you will save the lives of MANY children who will likely die otherwise. Seriously, you would be happy to give up everything for this young girls life if you were put in this situation, so why have you not taken the initiative and donated your life savings to save the lives of others already? OT it really is a sad issue, that most people there were completely indifferent, but then again i think it is silly that self-righteous arm chair heros from the West feel the need to tell everyone how honorable and heroic they would act in those situations and have a go at the people of China for doing nothing. Note I am NOT supporting the indifference the people on camera expressed, I would most certainly call the relevant authorities and try to block off the road to prevent further damage. However having read a lot on this issue and similar issues, I would not risk losing everything I have in order to do anything more. Call me selfish, but I don't see you guys donating your life savings to a charity to help those in need, despite the fact you say you would do it in an instant to save this girl... Why not do it now? Or do you need to see a dying girl in front of you to spark this 'courage'? Edit: I am not referring to the person I quoted, but the people a few pages back who said they were willing to give up their/their family's future in order to 'do what's right'.
No such person exist and no such person will ever exist. Those who claim to be such a person have never been in that situation.
I believe everyone, like I, would have done like what many chinese people did.
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On October 20 2011 16:09 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 14:54 Ryder. wrote:On October 19 2011 12:34 Reaper9 wrote:On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. Even touching them, you risk the chance of being called a kidnapper. Although I do agree with calling the ambulance, if they cant trace your number.Edit: Also. To those who say they would save the child even if it meant sacrificing your own children. So all those memories and loving times with your children, you would throw it away in a hard-beat? If you are such a knight templar to put your own children through hell, be my guest. If you don't have children or a wife or family, then you do what you feel is right. What I'm wondering is why they haven't already given up their savings and future income; there are plenty of charities/sponsor a child organizations that would be more than happy for you to donate your entire savings and future earnings, and in the process you will save the lives of MANY children who will likely die otherwise. Seriously, you would be happy to give up everything for this young girls life if you were put in this situation, so why have you not taken the initiative and donated your life savings to save the lives of others already? OT it really is a sad issue, that most people there were completely indifferent, but then again i think it is silly that self-righteous arm chair heros from the West feel the need to tell everyone how honorable and heroic they would act in those situations and have a go at the people of China for doing nothing. Note I am NOT supporting the indifference the people on camera expressed, I would most certainly call the relevant authorities and try to block off the road to prevent further damage. However having read a lot on this issue and similar issues, I would not risk losing everything I have in order to do anything more. Call me selfish, but I don't see you guys donating your life savings to a charity to help those in need, despite the fact you say you would do it in an instant to save this girl... Why not do it now? Or do you need to see a dying girl in front of you to spark this 'courage'? Edit: I am not referring to the person I quoted, but the people a few pages back who said they were willing to give up their/their family's future in order to 'do what's right'. No such person exist and no such person will ever exist. Those who claim to be such a person have never been in that situation. I believe everyone, like I, would have done like what many chinese people did.
If I see a bleeding 4 year old girl on the street, with blood pouring out of her and all over the floor around her I WILL help, if you could really see her and walk by I pity you and I doubt that I would shriek away from the consequences, I wouldn't even think about them in a situation like that I would run to her and help.
And saying everyone would act like they did is pretty wrong, don't you think? The woman helped, never make the mistake to judge others by your own standards, just because you wouldn't help a bleeding little girl on the street because you and your relatives could get in trouble for it doesn't mean that me or others would do the same in that situation.
PS: I've read quite a lot posts in this thread already and although some of those directed to me weren't very nice and sometimes awnsered without reading my or the posts of others properly, this one was the first one which actually offended me (that and that I stated my point already are the reasons why I won't discuss this further with you, discussing with people in the internet about something while being angry and feeling offended doesn't lead to anything except warnings and maybe a ban).
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On October 20 2011 16:09 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 14:54 Ryder. wrote:On October 19 2011 12:34 Reaper9 wrote:On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. Even touching them, you risk the chance of being called a kidnapper. Although I do agree with calling the ambulance, if they cant trace your number.Edit: Also. To those who say they would save the child even if it meant sacrificing your own children. So all those memories and loving times with your children, you would throw it away in a hard-beat? If you are such a knight templar to put your own children through hell, be my guest. If you don't have children or a wife or family, then you do what you feel is right. What I'm wondering is why they haven't already given up their savings and future income; there are plenty of charities/sponsor a child organizations that would be more than happy for you to donate your entire savings and future earnings, and in the process you will save the lives of MANY children who will likely die otherwise. Seriously, you would be happy to give up everything for this young girls life if you were put in this situation, so why have you not taken the initiative and donated your life savings to save the lives of others already? OT it really is a sad issue, that most people there were completely indifferent, but then again i think it is silly that self-righteous arm chair heros from the West feel the need to tell everyone how honorable and heroic they would act in those situations and have a go at the people of China for doing nothing. Note I am NOT supporting the indifference the people on camera expressed, I would most certainly call the relevant authorities and try to block off the road to prevent further damage. However having read a lot on this issue and similar issues, I would not risk losing everything I have in order to do anything more. Call me selfish, but I don't see you guys donating your life savings to a charity to help those in need, despite the fact you say you would do it in an instant to save this girl... Why not do it now? Or do you need to see a dying girl in front of you to spark this 'courage'? Edit: I am not referring to the person I quoted, but the people a few pages back who said they were willing to give up their/their family's future in order to 'do what's right'. No such person exist and no such person will ever exist. Those who claim to be such a person have never been in that situation. I believe everyone, like I, would have done like what many chinese people did.
Are you trying to say that no one has ever been a martyr for others? Its fine that you can question whether or not someone might do something in a hypothetical situation. But to say that someone like that cannot possibly exist? Up till now I would have thought you'd be pretty hard pressed to find someone who would run over a 2 year old without flinching or murder 100 helpless teenagers. But both are easily possible, just like its easily possible that someone is more caring than yourself, or is at least more willing to sacrifice for the sake of others.
I would rather be imprisoned and tortured than walk by that little girl without doing anything. I'm not a religious person but I can have faith in that, and there is nothing you can do or say to change that.
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thats crazy...kind of sickening.
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Shit, fuck... It's been long time since I stopped a youtube video and couldn't watch anymore.
I wish I didn't see that. It's unthinkable that people there ignored that, whatever reasons they had.
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This is so bad for that kid, China and all of China's people!
Man i wouldn't mind if i have to go to court because some asshole might scamm me, if i tought a kid could die i would try and help him and then i would face what i had to face.. i wouldn't care!
In Portugal, by our laws, the two drivers would go to jail and everyone that passed that kid and didn't help him would go to. So i guess if you are afraid of scamms maybe they should make a law for that, so that people would help who needs because they would be afraid of jail instead of stupid scamms.
And man the other truck didn't even change it's course so that i wouldn't hit that kid.. it's so fucking discusting i just wish i could hurt those drivers and kick that ass of the people that didn't stop..
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This is the most horrific video i've seen in my life.
I want to cry, scream, die...
That made me so saaaad  ((
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Scamming isn't the only factor. Its part of it, it desensitizes people there.
Making it a law doesn't change anything since the police and court system is corrupt.
Its the fact that you are liable for the kid's injuries for being a Good Samaritan and can be sued for years and years of medical fees , if you can't pay your extended family pays. Look up 2006 Nanjing judge. The person who helped was in turn backstabbed and sued for compensation, under the common sense theory that if you didn't injure the old person you wouldn't have stayed to help, just call the emergency service and go.
If you think you can stand up to all of these things (no trust in society, no trust in common law, no trust in being vindicated for being a Good Samaritan) that's your prerogative, but I know I can't, and so did the all passerbys. This only got on news due to the camera filming, there's probably similar incidents that have gone unreported due to corruption.
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On October 20 2011 16:09 Release wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 14:54 Ryder. wrote:On October 19 2011 12:34 Reaper9 wrote:On October 19 2011 12:32 Moldwood wrote:On October 19 2011 08:59 freddievercetti wrote:On October 19 2011 08:52 Moldwood wrote:
Say what you will about the corrupt justice system, scamming, etc. If you walked by the girl and actually looked at her (which many of the people in the video clearly did) and saw parts of her body crushed and BLOODY TIRE TRACKS then --
HOW in god's name... could this POSSIBLY be a scam of some sort. To use all of the above excuses to rationalize NOT DRAGGING HER OFF THE ROAD is inhuman. Period. It might not be a scam, but conversely, suppose that the camera was not there to record the entire situation for us to view. Should the parents of that girl decide to sue the rescuer, it would become a case of he said she said. Since the 2006 Nanjing judge ruled in favor of compensation for an injured woman who fell down off the bus against the man who helped her to the hospital, as well as a few similar recurring cases(there was one case that was laid off since there was an actual recording like this one), people have been stigmatized into thinking first before acting. You can move the girl, call an ambulance to the location, and leave. Even touching them, you risk the chance of being called a kidnapper. Although I do agree with calling the ambulance, if they cant trace your number.Edit: Also. To those who say they would save the child even if it meant sacrificing your own children. So all those memories and loving times with your children, you would throw it away in a hard-beat? If you are such a knight templar to put your own children through hell, be my guest. If you don't have children or a wife or family, then you do what you feel is right. What I'm wondering is why they haven't already given up their savings and future income; there are plenty of charities/sponsor a child organizations that would be more than happy for you to donate your entire savings and future earnings, and in the process you will save the lives of MANY children who will likely die otherwise. Seriously, you would be happy to give up everything for this young girls life if you were put in this situation, so why have you not taken the initiative and donated your life savings to save the lives of others already? OT it really is a sad issue, that most people there were completely indifferent, but then again i think it is silly that self-righteous arm chair heros from the West feel the need to tell everyone how honorable and heroic they would act in those situations and have a go at the people of China for doing nothing. Note I am NOT supporting the indifference the people on camera expressed, I would most certainly call the relevant authorities and try to block off the road to prevent further damage. However having read a lot on this issue and similar issues, I would not risk losing everything I have in order to do anything more. Call me selfish, but I don't see you guys donating your life savings to a charity to help those in need, despite the fact you say you would do it in an instant to save this girl... Why not do it now? Or do you need to see a dying girl in front of you to spark this 'courage'? Edit: I am not referring to the person I quoted, but the people a few pages back who said they were willing to give up their/their family's future in order to 'do what's right'. No such person exist and no such person will ever exist. Those who claim to be such a person have never been in that situation. I believe everyone, like I, would have done like what many chinese people did.
It's funny that you say no such person will ever exist when such a person does. There was a women in that situation that finally did the right thing after countless morally bankrupt individuals did nothing.
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Good lord. People are actually accusing the woman that assisted the toddler of only doing it for the 'inevitable' reward? That's either an extremely depressing image of China's utilitarian mindset, or trolling on an epic scale. Major case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
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On October 20 2011 09:02 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 06:11 MERLIN. wrote:The stupidity being boasted in this thread is rival to none, from "holocaust?" to over exaggerated aggressive posts which borderline trolling instead of discussing... Does anyone here realize that the idea of a discussion, is for two opposing arguments to go head to head and eventually both parties will form some bridge of common ground or "agree to disagree"... This is exactly the opposite of what should happen.. --DISCLAIMER-- Sorry to the few who carried well rounded discussions, the very few or those who just gave their opinion (which I'm sure was ranted against to death).+ Show Spoiler +On October 20 2011 05:10 Mczeppo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2011 02:44 Juicyfruit wrote:On October 20 2011 00:53 Mczeppo wrote:On October 19 2011 08:13 Blasterion wrote:On October 19 2011 08:00 Mczeppo wrote:On October 18 2011 09:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Oh God, is there some conspiracy on TL I don't know about that equates to "post every bad thing that happens in China"? The strong majority of threads about something bad happening as a result of people's actions have to do with China. I don't get it :S. This is a tragedy, but shit like this happens anytime, anywhere. It isn't exclusive to just China. I know, from experience, there's a fair chance there's going to be some sinophobic posts in this thread like there are in every other one concerning China. Already, there's a bit of a slant in the OP, such as this statement: This phenomenon of watching idly may seem barbaric to us in the US as if implying that all Americans are high-class mannered folks and Chinese are evil and barbaric (lol). No, this phenomenon is not barbaric in the US. I've heard it happen plenty of times and even seen it happen (I've usually gone to the rescue in those several occasions, and in one case I was even indicted as the perpetrator even when the victim vouched for me... it took above-godly tact and argumentation to get out of that pickle), despite the "Good Samaritan" law. People getting beat up, shot, hit by vehicles, you name it. The best I've seen or heard of is something calling an ambulance and then going along their way, by strangers that is (obviously a family member or good friend is going to be of some serious assistance). Hell what am I saying? Just a couple months ago, a relative was at a gas station in the evening, got assaulted, tried to fight back and was shot a few times (and the thugs left), and people still came to the gas station and didn't do shit, the people/employees inside the store didn't do shit. She had to crawl her way into there and basically show them her condition and to call the police before anyone did anything. stop talking please! this would probably NEVER happen in germany, probably not in spain, france and other EU countries, whatever they are. i dont know about the US but i'm sure it would not happen there as well. Things like this happen "anywhere, anytime." Crap I'm completely shocked about how the majority of the chinese people didnt give a shit in this video. Comments like "i can understand them", "they are afraid to help" make me sick. You see what death penalty causes! Think it through before you start posting, think thru all the possibilities, and consequences, and ask yourself, it's a 10% chance that you could toss your family's future out the window, I would make a decision that would not harm my family, Many may not know this but moralfaggotry is a sin You're completely retarted. Walking by and doing nothing is a sin. Are you serious? Moralfaggotry? We call this civil courage. You probably dont know what that means. We have a law here that sais you must help if someone is in need. If you dont help you go to jail up to one year. You know why we have that law? because it's absolutely sick if you dont help... Chinese government must be really fucked up. Toss your families future? What a joke. People there dont even call the emergency doctor... People that dont help are scam nothing more. The least thing they could do is calling a doctor but who am i speaking with anyways... The Holocaust You're a joke. holocaust... pretty of topic I don't define myself through countries. I hate bad governments, bad laws, bad society... but god damn this has nothing to do with race. Chinese society must be REALLY bad if things like this happen on a regular basis (which has been mentioned a lot in this thread). Oh and your country bashing thing is pretty poor... holocaust was the most disgusting thing in history of mankind. I'm in no way patriotic... so i dont know what you want to say to me. @ RavenLoud "Ironically it is through similar sentiments that extremism and fascism arise. I sense that European politics is heading towards dark times." There is only ONE right thing to do in such a situation which is to help. On this particular topic anyone who tries to find excuses for not helping a dying child in the slightest (e.g. calling emergency doctor and leave) is wrong. Also where did i say that chinese people in general have no civil courage? Laying words in other peoples mouth is pretty common on internet forums huh? Fascism and me... funny  Also I promise you the holocaust was not the most disgusting thing to ever happen in mankind, you just have to realize that history books, they go past the 19th century... Look into what Mongolia did to the Khwarezmian Empire. Of course Holocaust was bad, but their was a lot of pretty horrific things that trump the holocaust in general magnitude... Pretty terrible yes. O_o If you think what they did to the Khwarazmian empire was bad, what they did to the Abbasid kingdom was even worse. Killing off everyone, and making sure to scour all the land to destroy farmland, so that the few who didn't die by the violence, died from starvation. A huge contrast to Mongol actions everywhere else, which were rather "lenient" in comparison, although Khwarazmia did suffer more from the Mongols than any of the other places except the Abbasid caliphate. Why the Mongols were 10x more bloodthirsty against these lands than anywhere else, I don't know. It seems like the more advanced and sophisticated a nation was, they more the Mongols wrecked it. I guess the Abbasid caliphate being at the top in this regard required that they be annihilated by the Mongols.
The answer to your question about the Mongolians is simple. They killed the messenger.
"The Mongol invasion of Khwarezmia lasted from 1219 to 1221. In fact, it was not originally the intention of the Mongol Empire to invade the Khwarezmid Empire. Indeed, Genghis Khan had originally sent the ruler of the Khwarezmid Empire, Ala ad-Din Muhammad, a message greeting him as his equal: "you rule the rising sun and I the setting sun"."
From - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Central_Asia
"In 1218, Genghis Khan sent a trade mission to the state, but at the town of Otrar the governor, suspecting the Khan's ambassadors to be spies, confiscated their goods and executed them. Genghis Khan demanded reparations, which the Shah refused to pay. Genghis retaliated with a force of 200,000 men, launching a multi-pronged invasion."
From - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khwarazmian_dynasty
Whether or not these people deserved their fate is another issue. Genghis Khan sent an envoy with some goods as an offering. They killed his messengers and refused to compensate or offer any sort of apology. Thus Genghis Khan wiped them out.
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On October 20 2011 22:57 shell wrote:
This is so bad for that kid, China and all of China's people!
Man i wouldn't mind if i have to go to court because some asshole might scamm me, if i tought a kid could die i would try and help him and then i would face what i had to face.. i wouldn't care!
In Portugal, by our laws, the two drivers would go to jail and everyone that passed that kid and didn't help him would go to. So i guess if you are afraid of scamms maybe they should make a law for that, so that people would help who needs because they would be afraid of jail instead of stupid scamms.
And man the other truck didn't even change it's course so that i wouldn't hit that kid.. it's so fucking discusting i just wish i could hurt those drivers and kick that ass of the people that didn't stop..
It's not about what you would have to face... if you have a wife and kids, or if your parents live with you (not uncommon), you could be throwing away their home, their futures...
It's been discussed to death in this thread already, but basically the legal system / current legal precedents make it very hard for average Chinese to just "do what is right." It's not like the passersby are thinking "eh whatever not my business" (probably not most of them, at least) -- it's more along the lines of "fuck, if I go help i could be getting me / my family into huge huge shit."
The drivers though, they really need to die. ^^
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I refuse to believe that Chinese logic is this broken. It's just unbelievable. Surely they know Chen Xianmei did the right thing and they're shifting the blame to Chen because they don't want to feel bad about themselves? Right? .... T_T
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On October 21 2011 09:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:I refuse to believe that Chinese logic is this broken. It's just unbelievable. Surely they know Chen Xianmei did the right thing and they're shifting the blame to Chen because they don't want to feel bad about themselves? Right? .... T_T
well shit, someone needs to voice their opinion because China seems to be stuck in regression.
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On October 21 2011 09:49 LoLAdriankat wrote:I refuse to believe that Chinese logic is this broken. It's just unbelievable. Surely they know Chen Xianmei did the right thing and they're shifting the blame to Chen because they don't want to feel bad about themselves? Right? .... T_T
This is a very common way of thinking in mainland China, it is not trolling at all.
Why do you think those people never help in the first place? It is only logical that people blame that old lady for "minding other people business" and "aim for fame and money".
This is a systemic failure in China, even someone who will risk their own life to save someone from drowning can cheat people for money without second thought. People who help strangers in public places are consider extremely stupid or ignorant. (or doing it for money/fame)
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