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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

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1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-17 18:43:34
November 17 2015 18:39 GMT
#14941
On November 18 2015 02:07 LemOn wrote:
By the way did you manage to pork Princess Anna yet (I'm a romantic I know)

No. I suspect it will take some time before we reach that stage. We've only gone on one date, and on that date I went for the kiss in the end and she rejected me saying she wanted to take it slowly. So sex will probably take a few weeks I'm guessing. I'm perfectly fine with that, would probably do me good to be honest. Wouldn't be so nervous with her at that point, however I do look forward to cuddling and making out again .

We're going climbing tomorrow, no porking will be made over there either. I will try to set up a date with her this weekend though, maybe watch a movie or bake something (actually watching the movie as well).
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-17 19:08:11
November 17 2015 19:07 GMT
#14942
On November 18 2015 03:30 B.I.G. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 00:24 BurningSera wrote:
Taiwan to me is like the top3 countries in Asia that I would consider getting a wife from, the 'game' level is certainly higher there but the quality of the girls are worthy.

That is such a weird fucking thing to say lol.

I think this idea that somehow Asian women (from whatever culture) make better wives is such a hopelessly naive pursuit.


I agree, though as an Asian American (Taiwanese American to be precise) I'm more comfortable with the idea of of dating/ marrying an Asian girl.

Also, I was back in Taiwan at the beginning of the summer. I got hit on quite a few times while exploring the city surprisingly. Also like mad Tinder matches. Some of them were pretty hot, but no real point in doing anything.
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LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 18 2015 01:33 GMT
#14943
The values are different though although you cannot stereotype universally. But e.g. 1st get Cantonese women are on average a lot more likely to want a traditional family with traditional roles quickly than for example European women, it just increases the probability of the ones you meat being just that
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 18 2015 01:38 GMT
#14944
On November 18 2015 03:39 bloodwhore~ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 02:07 LemOn wrote:
By the way did you manage to pork Princess Anna yet (I'm a romantic I know)

No. I suspect it will take some time before we reach that stage. We've only gone on one date, and on that date I went for the kiss in the end and she rejected me saying she wanted to take it slowly. So sex will probably take a few weeks I'm guessing. I'm perfectly fine with that, would probably do me good to be honest. Wouldn't be so nervous with her at that point, however I do look forward to cuddling and making out again .

We're going climbing tomorrow, no porking will be made over there either. I will try to set up a date with her this weekend though, maybe watch a movie or bake something (actually watching the movie as well).

That's not a great sign really - usually when a girl is really into you she will break her own rules e.g. lie to her parents, skip classes ,and get out of her way to make it really easy for you.

Doesn't mean you can't get there with her though, I wouldn't stop seeing other girls in the meantime though personally until she starts showing you signs she wants to progress it further.


And climbing's perfect, so many opportunities to just give her a quick peck on the lips e.g. when showing her how to use the gear, or when she makes a successful climb down, make sure you do that!
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-18 08:23:34
November 18 2015 07:43 GMT
#14945
On November 18 2015 10:38 LemOn wrote:
That's not a great sign really - usually when a girl is really into you she will break her own rules e.g. lie to her parents, skip classes ,and get out of her way to make it really easy for you.

Doesn't mean you can't get there with her though, I wouldn't stop seeing other girls in the meantime though personally until she starts showing you signs she wants to progress it further.

And climbing's perfect, so many opportunities to just give her a quick peck on the lips e.g. when showing her how to use the gear, or when she makes a successful climb down, make sure you do that!

Yeah I don't really want to date a 14 year old girl. She is studying to become a doctor, doubt she will ever skip classes, don't want her to either. I don't think it's that strange that she is not super into me yet, we've only met twice, and one of the times was at the club. She has already said she wants to take it slow so I think the worst thing I can do is rush it.

I'm keeping my doors open although I'm not actively looking for another one.

Ehh, I think doing those kinds of things will be pushing it, but I'll see what the vibe is like.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 18 2015 09:31 GMT
#14946
It's a date man, a second one too, how can be a quick peck on the lips in-between stuff pushing anything ever
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4558 Posts
November 18 2015 09:49 GMT
#14947
Well she refused his kiss on the first date..
Definitely pushing it
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8939 Posts
November 18 2015 10:00 GMT
#14948
On November 18 2015 18:31 LemOn wrote:
It's a date man, a second one too, how can be a quick peck on the lips in-between stuff pushing anything ever

youre like the only one in this thread who thinks a kiss is normal even on the first date.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
November 18 2015 11:15 GMT
#14949
On November 18 2015 19:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 18:31 LemOn wrote:
It's a date man, a second one too, how can be a quick peck on the lips in-between stuff pushing anything ever

youre like the only one in this thread who thinks a kiss is normal even on the first date.

It isn't?
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
padfoota
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Taiwan1571 Posts
November 18 2015 11:27 GMT
#14950
On November 18 2015 00:24 BurningSera wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 21:26 padfoota wrote:
Oh god man help yourselves here. The girls here are all looking for relationships too if they arent in one already.

Ah yeah I should have included that - 好人卡 is pronounced Hao Ren Ka - Hao = good, Ren = person, Ka = card.


It is called 'nice guy' card, which originated from English lol. Tonnes of meme of it back then, literally comes from the centuries old 'look you are a nice guy but...'

Just out of curiosity and I might be able to provide some insight, what is your ethical background, colour of skin (how tanned you are) and height.

Taiwan to me is like the top3 countries in Asia that I would consider getting a wife from, the 'game' level is certainly higher there but the quality of the girls are worthy.


Im Taiwanese, both parents taiwanese, Im a bit more than tanned but im blaming Taiwan's goddamn weather more than anything. It mid November and its still summer. Im 176 so not that short for an Asian, but Im not 180 either.

I would say Im average I guess.
Stop procrastinating
bloodwhore~
Profile Joined September 2014
1010 Posts
November 18 2015 11:30 GMT
#14951
On November 18 2015 18:31 LemOn wrote:
It's a date man, a second one too, how can be a quick peck on the lips in-between stuff pushing anything ever

Well I probably wouldn't go for a kiss on the first date unless we had made out at the club.

On November 18 2015 19:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
youre like the only one in this thread who thinks a kiss is normal even on the first date.

Kind of agree, wouldn't say kissing on the first date is the standard unless it went great and there is chemistry all around. But Lem0n is a yolo baller who doesn't afraid of anything.
"Allahu akbar" - Techies.
Ghostcom
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark4783 Posts
November 18 2015 11:41 GMT
#14952
On November 18 2015 20:15 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 19:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 18 2015 18:31 LemOn wrote:
It's a date man, a second one too, how can be a quick peck on the lips in-between stuff pushing anything ever

youre like the only one in this thread who thinks a kiss is normal even on the first date.

It isn't?


It is. Provided you and her are actually interested and connected during the date.
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-18 12:12:17
November 18 2015 11:48 GMT
#14953
On November 18 2015 20:41 Ghostcom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 20:15 LemOn wrote:
On November 18 2015 19:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 18 2015 18:31 LemOn wrote:
It's a date man, a second one too, how can be a quick peck on the lips in-between stuff pushing anything ever

youre like the only one in this thread who thinks a kiss is normal even on the first date.

It isn't?


It is. Provided you and her are actually interested and connected during the date.

Yeah pretty much, I'm not saying a kiss is normal on a first date with every girl, but it is normal when there is mutual chemistry and personal connection. And if it isn't there's not much point in second dates for me. Unless I know I was e.g. way too nervous and my head got in the way of finding out in the first place.

EDIT: it is possible she just didn't want to seem like a slut when she kissed you drunk first. If that's the case really then it's your job to make next time you kiss "your fault" though
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
November 18 2015 12:07 GMT
#14954
On November 18 2015 04:07 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 03:30 B.I.G. wrote:
On November 18 2015 00:24 BurningSera wrote:
Taiwan to me is like the top3 countries in Asia that I would consider getting a wife from, the 'game' level is certainly higher there but the quality of the girls are worthy.

That is such a weird fucking thing to say lol.

I think this idea that somehow Asian women (from whatever culture) make better wives is such a hopelessly naive pursuit.


I agree, though as an Asian American (Taiwanese American to be precise) I'm more comfortable with the idea of of dating/ marrying an Asian girl.

Also, I was back in Taiwan at the beginning of the summer. I got hit on quite a few times while exploring the city surprisingly. Also like mad Tinder matches. Some of them were pretty hot, but no real point in doing anything.


haha, i did say 'to me' so it is a personal preference thing, i probably could have gone in more details but that would be off topic, long story short is that i don't want a traditional asian girl either, so girls from the rather modernized asian countries suit my taste more; + Show Spoiler +
i said this based on my exes from shanghai/beijing/hongkong/taiwan/japan/malaysia/thailand/singapore and knowing quite some friends from other asian countries as well, the coolest girls/wife material i approved of are japan/korea/taiwan and among them taiwanese is the only one i dont need to work on my language so they are the best choice for me.



On November 18 2015 20:27 padfoota wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 00:24 BurningSera wrote:
On November 17 2015 21:26 padfoota wrote:
Oh god man help yourselves here. The girls here are all looking for relationships too if they arent in one already.

Ah yeah I should have included that - 好人卡 is pronounced Hao Ren Ka - Hao = good, Ren = person, Ka = card.


It is called 'nice guy' card, which originated from English lol. Tonnes of meme of it back then, literally comes from the centuries old 'look you are a nice guy but...'

Just out of curiosity and I might be able to provide some insight, what is your ethical background, colour of skin (how tanned you are) and height.

Taiwan to me is like the top3 countries in Asia that I would consider getting a wife from, the 'game' level is certainly higher there but the quality of the girls are worthy.


Im Taiwanese, both parents taiwanese, Im a bit more than tanned but im blaming Taiwan's goddamn weather more than anything. It mid November and its still summer. Im 176 so not that short for an Asian, but Im not 180 either.

I would say Im average I guess.


That sounds alright mate. The height is the most important factor there really, 176 is just right for most girls. I mean unless you are very picky on getting a 9/10 you should be able to get any girl above average. Work on your clothing/style, and practice more in socializing with girls the way you speak and your confidence etc. Facial feature can be a factor here as well but screw that, go gym and beef up etc; same thing to your tanned skin, if you have a sexy body and pair with nice clothing, it shouldnt be a factor.

Another factor would be if you are not in bigger cities then you might be 'under-appreciated' by the girls, you need to be in taipei, gao xiong etc.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
BurningSera
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Ireland19621 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-18 12:19:57
November 18 2015 12:16 GMT
#14955
On November 18 2015 20:48 LemOn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2015 20:41 Ghostcom wrote:
On November 18 2015 20:15 LemOn wrote:
On November 18 2015 19:00 evilfatsh1t wrote:
On November 18 2015 18:31 LemOn wrote:
It's a date man, a second one too, how can be a quick peck on the lips in-between stuff pushing anything ever

youre like the only one in this thread who thinks a kiss is normal even on the first date.

It isn't?


It is. Provided you and her are actually interested and connected during the date.

Yeah pretty much, I'm not saying a kiss is normal on a first date with every girl, but it is normal when there is mutual chemistry and personal connection. And if it isn't there's not much point in second dates for me. Unless I know I was e.g. way too nervous and my head got in the way of finding out in the first place.


It is highly dependent on the age group/people from different generation i guess. For me back then in high school i remember getting a kiss is a big deal, nowadays if i dont at least get a kiss at the end of the first date i abort mission haha (ill give it as late as 2nd date, if she is really a catch, because it is just a waste of time if we dont have the chemistry). While as a guy you have to know when to push for a kiss/hug etc basic kino work.
is 2017, stop being lame, fuck's sakes. 'Can't wait for the rise of the cakes and humanity's last stand tbqh.'
CptMarvel
Profile Joined May 2014
France236 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-18 14:52:06
November 18 2015 13:36 GMT
#14956
Cool thread.
I've always been way too demanding when it comes to girls. Refusing most of what my (moderate) success with the ladies gets me. I actually have never asked for a date myself and have only half-ass accepted the demands I got, hence making the -sometimes- following 'relationships' super dysfonctional and bound to failure.
I'm in China now and have been dating some chick for a month, she's physically way out of my league, really pretty (foreigner status gets you great stuff here), outgoing and fun but almost impossible to cope with on a daily basis : close to tears on every sarcastic joke I make about her, complaining about the most futile bullshit, making a fuss when I RIGHTFULLY refuse to pay for her things, etc.
I'm yet to meet a girl that makes me happy and that I truly wanna stay with.
WarSame
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada1950 Posts
November 18 2015 17:34 GMT
#14957
CptMarvel, someone else in this thread was saying that in China it's a big thing that men support the women monetarily fairly heavily. If that's true then you not paying would be a bigger deal than it is here.
Can it be I stayed away too long? Did you miss these rhymes while I was gone?
LemOn
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
United Kingdom8629 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-18 18:54:01
November 18 2015 18:47 GMT
#14958
On November 19 2015 02:34 WarSame wrote:
CptMarvel, someone else in this thread was saying that in China it's a big thing that men support the women monetarily fairly heavily. If that's true then you not paying would be a bigger deal than it is here.

Yeah it's true, Chinese girls are a lot more traditional in that I know times are a changing but you will still find a lot higher inclination towards family, marriage, and the man being the provider
Much is the father figure that I miss in my life. Go Daddy! DoC.LemOn, LemOn[5thF]
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
November 18 2015 20:09 GMT
#14959
If you are dating one of those classic Chinese girls (which you seem to describe) you have to accept that your relationship will look completely different. The things that make girls like that tic are completely different from western girls. I also live in China and I have come to realise that dating a local Chinese girl is a waste of both her and my time. Expectations are completely different and often incompatible...
The_Masked_Shrimp
Profile Joined February 2012
425 Posts
November 18 2015 20:43 GMT
#14960
Yep same here, dated some girls in China and they were almost all trying to bring the "guy pays for everything" thing bit by bit on the table (it's like when you chat with them they pretend to be open minded and like equal-status relationship, but then they try to change you into a man from 1920 xD).
The only one I dated who did not have this mentality was special since she was really into western culture and was studying to become an official translator, she studies in NYC now. Maybe the fact that her dad seemed to own a small part of the city played a role in her not giving a fuck about paying her own stuff, but I think it really was personality ;p
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