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We are extremely close to shutting down this thread for the same reasons the PUA thread was shut down. While some of the time this thread contains actual discussion with people asking help and people giving nice advice, it often gets derailed by rubbish that should not be here. The moderation team will be trying to steer this thread in a different direction from now on.

Posts of the following nature are banned:
1) ANYTHING regarding PUA. If your post contains the words 'alpha' or 'beta' or anything of that sort please don't hit post.
2) Stupid brags. You can tell us about your nice success stories with someone, but posts such as 'lol 50 Tinder matches' are a no-no.
3) Any misogynistic bullshit, including discussion about rape culture.
4) One night stands and random sex. These are basically brags that invariably devolve into gender role discussions and misogynistic comments.

Last chance, guys. This thread is for dating advice and sharing dating stories. While gender roles, sociocultural norms, and our biological imperative to reproduce are all tangentially related, these subjects are not the main purpose of the thread. Please AVOID these discussions. If you want to discuss them at length, go to PMs or start a blog. If you disagree with someone's ideologies, state that you disagree with them and why they won't work from a dating standpoint and move on. We will not tolerate any lengthy derailments that aren't directly about dating.
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
December 18 2013 15:33 GMT
#7001
what are you worried about catching regarding ass to mouth? like poop breath?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
December 18 2013 15:55 GMT
#7002
On December 17 2013 09:38 chadissilent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 06:43 MightyBill wrote:
On December 17 2013 01:26 FreedomMurder wrote:
On December 16 2013 23:30 MightyBill wrote:
On December 16 2013 03:11 Volband wrote:
Recollecting my thoughts and reading back others' posts as well, the question that striked me was how much change is acceptable around your date?


You want to get laid, so you have to make some concessions. But you always want to pull her over to your side of the line more than you move over to hers. Always radiate in a way that you don't mind being nice and compassionate, but that whenever she tries to put you on a leash, that you MIGHT be gone.


An example of something I did in the past:

Some girl once made me wait in the rain for an hour, (I moved somewhere inside because standing in the rain is just retarded). By the time she showed up I was, rightfully so, pissed off. I told her in a very cocky way that it's not very nice of her to make me wait that long, but that she still deserved to have a nice date (I never give any reasons or explanations why she would deserve a good date. Just tell her and then go talk about other shit). So I took her to a different bar (because I know my way around you know), and gave her a very enjoyable date for about 25 minutes, after which I sayd something along the lines of "Well was a great date, wish we had more time, I'll see you next time!". Make sure you're gone before she realizes that you basically just ditched her, but do extend her the line for a possible next date.

On the next date, I was about 15 minutes late BUT I bought her flowers from a flower shop.. I told her literally "Sorry I'm 4 minutes late, I couldnt find the perfect ribbon for these handpicked flowers". She knew I was just fucking with her, but she was still getting flowers, a romantic date, she didnt feel guilty for making me wait cuz I'd do the same to her, but she did knew that if she ever tried to put me on a leash too much, that I'd be gone. Makes dating more exciting for her as well, as it turns into a game of "how far can we go?".




Lol worst advice ever. Sounds like you're caught up in playing games with girls, which is stupid because games are for teenagers. When you play games with girls like this they won't just stop and be like okay he won, they will try to one up you and then you try to one up her and etc.... just for "control" in the relationship.

Every time I start to date a girl I tell them straight up that I'm not down to play any stupid games. I tell them I send message replies when I feel like it instead of reading then waiting so I don't seem desperate. I just act like myself not trying to be anyone I'm not or win some sort of stupid mind game so I wear "the pants" in the relationship. Girls really respect me when I say things like this to them because honestly they aren't down to play games either. It shows them that I'm confident in myself and I don't need to act like a dick to give myself an ego boost. That being said obviously don't become some lost love puppy that follows her around, be a man, but you don't need to act like a dick to do that. This concept of "bringing her over to your side of the line" is just petty teenage romance grow up lol.

And to be honest from my own experience and what I see from my friends interactions with girls, girls often win these mind games because at the end of the day, they are the one who decide when you are getting laid and when you don't because they claim to be less horny then men(which is a lie).


Games are for everyone.

You are bad at advice, you should refrain from sharing it. Games are horrible, and most genuine women don't want to deal with that bullshit. If you're after girls, go ahead and play games. If you want a woman, be straightforward, upfront, and don't bother with the bullshit.


What if you want girls but don't want to deal with games?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17992 Posts
December 18 2013 21:42 GMT
#7003
On December 19 2013 00:55 Shauni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 17 2013 09:38 chadissilent wrote:
On December 17 2013 06:43 MightyBill wrote:
On December 17 2013 01:26 FreedomMurder wrote:
On December 16 2013 23:30 MightyBill wrote:
On December 16 2013 03:11 Volband wrote:
Recollecting my thoughts and reading back others' posts as well, the question that striked me was how much change is acceptable around your date?


You want to get laid, so you have to make some concessions. But you always want to pull her over to your side of the line more than you move over to hers. Always radiate in a way that you don't mind being nice and compassionate, but that whenever she tries to put you on a leash, that you MIGHT be gone.


An example of something I did in the past:

Some girl once made me wait in the rain for an hour, (I moved somewhere inside because standing in the rain is just retarded). By the time she showed up I was, rightfully so, pissed off. I told her in a very cocky way that it's not very nice of her to make me wait that long, but that she still deserved to have a nice date (I never give any reasons or explanations why she would deserve a good date. Just tell her and then go talk about other shit). So I took her to a different bar (because I know my way around you know), and gave her a very enjoyable date for about 25 minutes, after which I sayd something along the lines of "Well was a great date, wish we had more time, I'll see you next time!". Make sure you're gone before she realizes that you basically just ditched her, but do extend her the line for a possible next date.

On the next date, I was about 15 minutes late BUT I bought her flowers from a flower shop.. I told her literally "Sorry I'm 4 minutes late, I couldnt find the perfect ribbon for these handpicked flowers". She knew I was just fucking with her, but she was still getting flowers, a romantic date, she didnt feel guilty for making me wait cuz I'd do the same to her, but she did knew that if she ever tried to put me on a leash too much, that I'd be gone. Makes dating more exciting for her as well, as it turns into a game of "how far can we go?".




Lol worst advice ever. Sounds like you're caught up in playing games with girls, which is stupid because games are for teenagers. When you play games with girls like this they won't just stop and be like okay he won, they will try to one up you and then you try to one up her and etc.... just for "control" in the relationship.

Every time I start to date a girl I tell them straight up that I'm not down to play any stupid games. I tell them I send message replies when I feel like it instead of reading then waiting so I don't seem desperate. I just act like myself not trying to be anyone I'm not or win some sort of stupid mind game so I wear "the pants" in the relationship. Girls really respect me when I say things like this to them because honestly they aren't down to play games either. It shows them that I'm confident in myself and I don't need to act like a dick to give myself an ego boost. That being said obviously don't become some lost love puppy that follows her around, be a man, but you don't need to act like a dick to do that. This concept of "bringing her over to your side of the line" is just petty teenage romance grow up lol.

And to be honest from my own experience and what I see from my friends interactions with girls, girls often win these mind games because at the end of the day, they are the one who decide when you are getting laid and when you don't because they claim to be less horny then men(which is a lie).


Games are for everyone.

You are bad at advice, you should refrain from sharing it. Games are horrible, and most genuine women don't want to deal with that bullshit. If you're after girls, go ahead and play games. If you want a woman, be straightforward, upfront, and don't bother with the bullshit.


What if you want girls but don't want to deal with games?

Aim younger >:O
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 01:17:03
December 19 2013 01:15 GMT
#7004
On December 18 2013 03:54 Grobyc wrote:
So there's this really cute girl I was wanting to ask out. Pretty sure she's into me based on a bunch of things, that's not the problem. She's older though... I'm 22 and she's 27. Problem?

Made plans with said girl to help me with christmas shopping for a mutual friend where I was also going to take her for dinner and to see Anchorman 2 afterward today... But she's got "the flu" and unable to come.

Okay, could be completely legitimate, it is winter after all, but a rather shitty turn of events since she was giving me all these signs the other day when I got her number. (Added me on facebook that night, and asked another girl I was talking to if we were dating and how old I am to put things in perspective)

Initially made plans for christmas shopping today over text then was going to bring up dinner + movie afterward. I'd like to reschedule in case she is actually just sick. If it wasn't already obvious I'm trying to get her on a date I'm sure it is now. I'd like to call her rather than text to show her I got them balls, etc. If no answer is it worth leaving a voicemail asking or what? Opinions?
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
Magic_Mike
Profile Joined May 2010
United States542 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 01:46:10
December 19 2013 01:45 GMT
#7005
My mother passed away just last week (her funeral was Saturday). My step dad, is absolutely devastated understandably. He wasn't that good to her for most of their 20 some odd year marriage until she was diagnosed with cancer. Then he totally changed his entire outlook on life and did a complete turn around in what type of person she was. With her passing, he is confused, destroyed would be a better word. In his grief, he wants to find a whole bunch of meaningless relationships and mostly one night stands to get through it all. I'm ok with this since everyone grieves in their own way but most of my brothers and sisters think it is disrespectful. I guess my question is, what do you think a good amount of time is after the death of a spouse, before you start dating again? Mostly I mean one night stands but I guess it wouldn't hurt to get a consensus on how long before you would consider serious dating.

Edit: they weren't actually married 20 years but they were together for that long.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
December 19 2013 03:52 GMT
#7006
On December 19 2013 06:42 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 00:55 Shauni wrote:
On December 17 2013 09:38 chadissilent wrote:
On December 17 2013 06:43 MightyBill wrote:
On December 17 2013 01:26 FreedomMurder wrote:
On December 16 2013 23:30 MightyBill wrote:
On December 16 2013 03:11 Volband wrote:
Recollecting my thoughts and reading back others' posts as well, the question that striked me was how much change is acceptable around your date?


You want to get laid, so you have to make some concessions. But you always want to pull her over to your side of the line more than you move over to hers. Always radiate in a way that you don't mind being nice and compassionate, but that whenever she tries to put you on a leash, that you MIGHT be gone.


An example of something I did in the past:

Some girl once made me wait in the rain for an hour, (I moved somewhere inside because standing in the rain is just retarded). By the time she showed up I was, rightfully so, pissed off. I told her in a very cocky way that it's not very nice of her to make me wait that long, but that she still deserved to have a nice date (I never give any reasons or explanations why she would deserve a good date. Just tell her and then go talk about other shit). So I took her to a different bar (because I know my way around you know), and gave her a very enjoyable date for about 25 minutes, after which I sayd something along the lines of "Well was a great date, wish we had more time, I'll see you next time!". Make sure you're gone before she realizes that you basically just ditched her, but do extend her the line for a possible next date.

On the next date, I was about 15 minutes late BUT I bought her flowers from a flower shop.. I told her literally "Sorry I'm 4 minutes late, I couldnt find the perfect ribbon for these handpicked flowers". She knew I was just fucking with her, but she was still getting flowers, a romantic date, she didnt feel guilty for making me wait cuz I'd do the same to her, but she did knew that if she ever tried to put me on a leash too much, that I'd be gone. Makes dating more exciting for her as well, as it turns into a game of "how far can we go?".




Lol worst advice ever. Sounds like you're caught up in playing games with girls, which is stupid because games are for teenagers. When you play games with girls like this they won't just stop and be like okay he won, they will try to one up you and then you try to one up her and etc.... just for "control" in the relationship.

Every time I start to date a girl I tell them straight up that I'm not down to play any stupid games. I tell them I send message replies when I feel like it instead of reading then waiting so I don't seem desperate. I just act like myself not trying to be anyone I'm not or win some sort of stupid mind game so I wear "the pants" in the relationship. Girls really respect me when I say things like this to them because honestly they aren't down to play games either. It shows them that I'm confident in myself and I don't need to act like a dick to give myself an ego boost. That being said obviously don't become some lost love puppy that follows her around, be a man, but you don't need to act like a dick to do that. This concept of "bringing her over to your side of the line" is just petty teenage romance grow up lol.

And to be honest from my own experience and what I see from my friends interactions with girls, girls often win these mind games because at the end of the day, they are the one who decide when you are getting laid and when you don't because they claim to be less horny then men(which is a lie).


Games are for everyone.

You are bad at advice, you should refrain from sharing it. Games are horrible, and most genuine women don't want to deal with that bullshit. If you're after girls, go ahead and play games. If you want a woman, be straightforward, upfront, and don't bother with the bullshit.


What if you want girls but don't want to deal with games?

Aim younger >:O


Or really high lol.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17992 Posts
December 19 2013 03:55 GMT
#7007
On December 19 2013 10:45 Magic_Mike wrote:
My mother passed away just last week (her funeral was Saturday). My step dad, is absolutely devastated understandably. He wasn't that good to her for most of their 20 some odd year marriage until she was diagnosed with cancer. Then he totally changed his entire outlook on life and did a complete turn around in what type of person she was. With her passing, he is confused, destroyed would be a better word. In his grief, he wants to find a whole bunch of meaningless relationships and mostly one night stands to get through it all. I'm ok with this since everyone grieves in their own way but most of my brothers and sisters think it is disrespectful. I guess my question is, what do you think a good amount of time is after the death of a spouse, before you start dating again? Mostly I mean one night stands but I guess it wouldn't hurt to get a consensus on how long before you would consider serious dating.

Edit: they weren't actually married 20 years but they were together for that long.

Why does it matter what anybody here thinks?
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 04:56:48
December 19 2013 04:52 GMT
#7008
On December 19 2013 10:15 Grobyc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 03:54 Grobyc wrote:
So there's this really cute girl I was wanting to ask out. Pretty sure she's into me based on a bunch of things, that's not the problem. She's older though... I'm 22 and she's 27. Problem?

Made plans with said girl to help me with christmas shopping for a mutual friend where I was also going to take her for dinner and to see Anchorman 2 afterward today... But she's got "the flu" and unable to come.

Okay, could be completely legitimate, it is winter after all, but a rather shitty turn of events since she was giving me all these signs the other day when I got her number. (Added me on facebook that night, and asked another girl I was talking to if we were dating and how old I am to put things in perspective)

Initially made plans for christmas shopping today over text then was going to bring up dinner + movie afterward. I'd like to reschedule in case she is actually just sick. If it wasn't already obvious I'm trying to get her on a date I'm sure it is now. I'd like to call her rather than text to show her I got them balls, etc. If no answer is it worth leaving a voicemail asking or what? Opinions?


You can leave a message asking for a call back. Just force a callback, don't display your whole project in a 5min voice message. You can add a little goofiness to it, something funny like: "Oh god it's Bob, call me back something crazy happened !". Or just say you're going to call again in a couple days hoping to reach her.

Apart from that there's no reason to doubt the legitimacy of her illness yet. It's the season and it's only a first refusal. Keep trying to make plans once or twice.

On December 19 2013 10:45 Magic_Mike wrote:
My mother passed away just last week (her funeral was Saturday). My step dad, is absolutely devastated understandably. He wasn't that good to her for most of their 20 some odd year marriage until she was diagnosed with cancer. Then he totally changed his entire outlook on life and did a complete turn around in what type of person she was. With her passing, he is confused, destroyed would be a better word. In his grief, he wants to find a whole bunch of meaningless relationships and mostly one night stands to get through it all. I'm ok with this since everyone grieves in their own way but most of my brothers and sisters think it is disrespectful. I guess my question is, what do you think a good amount of time is after the death of a spouse, before you start dating again? Mostly I mean one night stands but I guess it wouldn't hurt to get a consensus on how long before you would consider serious dating.

Edit: they weren't actually married 20 years but they were together for that long.


I'm sorry for your loss. As for your question, there isn't really an answer, everybody has very different view about it.
The biggest problem is that by doing that your step father hurts your borther/sister feelings so I'd say it's a little bit inconsiderate. He should be discrete about it at the very least.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
December 19 2013 04:59 GMT
#7009
My girlfriend got mad at me after reading my final essay defending date rape for my philosophy class final.I guess her friend was date raped before. Any ideas how I can make her stop acting crazy?

If you care to read my essay for yourself here it is:

+ Show Spoiler +
Ever since the term Date Rape was coined by doctor Mary Koss in 1987, a convoluted piece of legislation of the same name has been injected into the United States of America’s court system. Over the last two and a half decades, this law has been proven ineffective and destructive for a vast majority of the female population while simultaneously keeping the justice system gridlocked with litigant’s arbitrary and contradictory allegations of abuse. Having date rape being illegal is fallacious for a multitude of reasons. It is ineffective; it conflicts with laws already put in place, utilizes the term rape incorrectly, based upon unreliable evidence, creates more victims, and hurts the victims of date rape more than the actual event.
Date rape has nothing to do with rape. The Federal Bureau of Investigation classifies the term rape as a violent crime. Furthermore, rape has nothing at all to do with sex, just ask a feminist. They will gladly point out that rape is about having dominion, power, and control over someone. Date rape is defined as a sexual act that rarely involved violence. That means date rape is a sexual crime not a violent crime. It is disingenuous and irresponsible to attach the word rape to a crime that is virtually absent of violence.
The term date rape is interchangeable with term sexual assault. Sexual assault is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any sexual touching of a person who has not consented. With sexual assault laws already on the books, the date rape law could be adjudicated from arbitration without issue, date rape cases could be easily converted to sexual assault charges, and the criminal litigation process would be streamlined. This simple move would make rape cases less complicated and confusing while correctly classifying date rape as a sexual crime.
Having date rape illegal doesn’t prevent the prevalence of rape, but increases the amount of victims, further exacerbating the problem. Victim is the priciest sell in this world. The victim feels the most and suffers the best. Once you label someone as a victim, the more likely a person is to be victimized. When you have been victimized by someone, the arousal of that encounter etches a pattern into the brain, the brain then tries to master that arousal by attracting perpetrators that are prone to the kind of abusive behavior they fear, and the cycle of victimization continues. This phenomenon is called traumatic reenactment, where a survivor of previous abuse compulsively seeks out the same acts of abuse for the remainder of their lifetime. While date rape is awful and should be avoided at all costs, acknowledgement that you are powerless in a situation is far more painful than the actual indent. If a person never sees themself as a victim, the pattern never emerges, thus the cycle of abuse never begins.
Most rape victims report that revisiting the trauma of a date rape committed against them while testifying against their alleged assailant is more damaging to their mental and emotional psyche than the actual sexual assault. When the justice system does more damage than a rapist you know something is fundamentally broken within American legal practices. In several circumstances, federal criminal court judges have actually ordered rape victims to appear at the rapists…I mean therapists office. The victim has to relive the trauma in perpetuity by talking to the psychologist about the event ad nauseum. It is much healthier to accept what happened, chalk it up to making poor life choices, and move on.
Alcohol is one of the most powerful aphrodisiacs for women. Alcohol is also the most common intoxicants involving date rape. Women's erotic placidity is much more different than a man’s. Studies conducted measuring genital blood flow concludes that; women do not inherently know what turns them on. In women’s biological psychology, there is a schism between how her body is responding to a stimulus and what she reports to her brain consciously. From this information we can deduct that a women’s ability to gauge how her body is responding to sexual encounters can become compromised. Adding the consumption of alcohol to the picture further complicates the issue making a date rape case next to impossible to prove within a reasonable doubt. Therefore the vast majority of date rape cases lack the validity to be tried in a court of law.
Recovering for a traumatic event is completely dependent or the victim’s intrinsic motivation to endure adversity. Some people get dealt a bad hand in life and half to work that much harder than to overcome the obstacles placed in front of them. Nobody has ever gone on to live a productive and meaningful life by obsessing over one obstacle, suing the obstacle, spending years of their life and thousands of dollars putting the obstacle on trial, and throwing the obstacle in jail. Letting a specific event define your standing in the world is tantamount to wasting the greatest gift the world has bestowed upon them, life. Date Rape is a perfect excuse for becoming depressed and surrendering your worth to the court system, relying on lawyers to “come in like a wrecking ball” and fight for what’s left of their plaintiff’s dignity. Or they overcome adversity, accomplish tremendous feats, and become the hero of their own story. Stop blaming environmental factors for getting into precarious situations, take responsibility for your own actions, and learn from both good and bad experiences.
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18827 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 05:02:49
December 19 2013 05:02 GMT
#7010
For the good of the thread and all of TL mankind, I'd edit that out and probably not post it anywhere else on this site again. You'll have thought that your girlfriend let you off easy after what is to come otherwise.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-19 05:07:21
December 19 2013 05:03 GMT
#7011
On December 19 2013 13:59 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
My girlfriend got mad at me after reading my final essay defending date rape for my philosophy class final.I guess her friend was date raped before. Any ideas how I can make her stop acting crazy?

If you care to read my essay for yourself here it is:

+ Show Spoiler +
Chill get out!


Was that a topic you chose? Or was it given to you and you were forced to defend date rape? Because if that was a point of view by choice that's pretty pathetic and I'm surprised she didn't dump you on the spot. If you were forced to do it, then I don't see why she is so mad at you, just explain it's not what you believe and it was only for school.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
December 19 2013 05:43 GMT
#7012
On December 19 2013 13:59 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
My girlfriend got mad at me after reading my final essay defending date rape for my philosophy class final.I guess her friend was date raped before. Any ideas how I can make her stop acting crazy?

If you care to read my essay for yourself here it is:

+ Show Spoiler +
Ever since the term Date Rape was coined by doctor Mary Koss in 1987, a convoluted piece of legislation of the same name has been injected into the United States of America’s court system. Over the last two and a half decades, this law has been proven ineffective and destructive for a vast majority of the female population while simultaneously keeping the justice system gridlocked with litigant’s arbitrary and contradictory allegations of abuse. Having date rape being illegal is fallacious for a multitude of reasons. It is ineffective; it conflicts with laws already put in place, utilizes the term rape incorrectly, based upon unreliable evidence, creates more victims, and hurts the victims of date rape more than the actual event.
Date rape has nothing to do with rape. The Federal Bureau of Investigation classifies the term rape as a violent crime. Furthermore, rape has nothing at all to do with sex, just ask a feminist. They will gladly point out that rape is about having dominion, power, and control over someone. Date rape is defined as a sexual act that rarely involved violence. That means date rape is a sexual crime not a violent crime. It is disingenuous and irresponsible to attach the word rape to a crime that is virtually absent of violence.
The term date rape is interchangeable with term sexual assault. Sexual assault is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any sexual touching of a person who has not consented. With sexual assault laws already on the books, the date rape law could be adjudicated from arbitration without issue, date rape cases could be easily converted to sexual assault charges, and the criminal litigation process would be streamlined. This simple move would make rape cases less complicated and confusing while correctly classifying date rape as a sexual crime.
Having date rape illegal doesn’t prevent the prevalence of rape, but increases the amount of victims, further exacerbating the problem. Victim is the priciest sell in this world. The victim feels the most and suffers the best. Once you label someone as a victim, the more likely a person is to be victimized. When you have been victimized by someone, the arousal of that encounter etches a pattern into the brain, the brain then tries to master that arousal by attracting perpetrators that are prone to the kind of abusive behavior they fear, and the cycle of victimization continues. This phenomenon is called traumatic reenactment, where a survivor of previous abuse compulsively seeks out the same acts of abuse for the remainder of their lifetime. While date rape is awful and should be avoided at all costs, acknowledgement that you are powerless in a situation is far more painful than the actual indent. If a person never sees themself as a victim, the pattern never emerges, thus the cycle of abuse never begins.
Most rape victims report that revisiting the trauma of a date rape committed against them while testifying against their alleged assailant is more damaging to their mental and emotional psyche than the actual sexual assault. When the justice system does more damage than a rapist you know something is fundamentally broken within American legal practices. In several circumstances, federal criminal court judges have actually ordered rape victims to appear at the rapists…I mean therapists office. The victim has to relive the trauma in perpetuity by talking to the psychologist about the event ad nauseum. It is much healthier to accept what happened, chalk it up to making poor life choices, and move on.
Alcohol is one of the most powerful aphrodisiacs for women. Alcohol is also the most common intoxicants involving date rape. Women's erotic placidity is much more different than a man’s. Studies conducted measuring genital blood flow concludes that; women do not inherently know what turns them on. In women’s biological psychology, there is a schism between how her body is responding to a stimulus and what she reports to her brain consciously. From this information we can deduct that a women’s ability to gauge how her body is responding to sexual encounters can become compromised. Adding the consumption of alcohol to the picture further complicates the issue making a date rape case next to impossible to prove within a reasonable doubt. Therefore the vast majority of date rape cases lack the validity to be tried in a court of law.
Recovering for a traumatic event is completely dependent or the victim’s intrinsic motivation to endure adversity. Some people get dealt a bad hand in life and half to work that much harder than to overcome the obstacles placed in front of them. Nobody has ever gone on to live a productive and meaningful life by obsessing over one obstacle, suing the obstacle, spending years of their life and thousands of dollars putting the obstacle on trial, and throwing the obstacle in jail. Letting a specific event define your standing in the world is tantamount to wasting the greatest gift the world has bestowed upon them, life. Date Rape is a perfect excuse for becoming depressed and surrendering your worth to the court system, relying on lawyers to “come in like a wrecking ball” and fight for what’s left of their plaintiff’s dignity. Or they overcome adversity, accomplish tremendous feats, and become the hero of their own story. Stop blaming environmental factors for getting into precarious situations, take responsibility for your own actions, and learn from both good and bad experiences.


I actually think quite a bit of this essay is relatively logical and well-written assuming you aren't making up those terms and studies you cited. That is, until the conclusion which has nothing to do with the rest of the writing. The introduction sounded like you wanted date rape cases to be reclassified under sexual assault. You did a reasonable job of making an argument that could be used to support that, but then went off on a tangent in your conclusion of basically "grow up and get over the "non-violent rape" you went through" which makes you sound like an ass to your girlfriend.

Back to the issue at hand, if you were forced to play devils advocate explain that to her, maybe even provide proof that was the case. If you actually chose to write about that topic, try apologizing for the conclusion at the end that just seemed blatantly offensive and take a more realistic stance. Then, hope she doesn't dump you on the spot.
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Dogfoodboy16
Profile Joined October 2013
364 Posts
December 19 2013 05:57 GMT
#7013
On December 19 2013 14:03 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 13:59 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
My girlfriend got mad at me after reading my final essay defending date rape for my philosophy class final.I guess her friend was date raped before. Any ideas how I can make her stop acting crazy?

If you care to read my essay for yourself here it is:

+ Show Spoiler +
Chill get out!


Was that a topic you chose? Or was it given to you and you were forced to defend date rape? Because if that was a point of view by choice that's pretty pathetic and I'm surprised she didn't dump you on the spot. If you were forced to do it, then I don't see why she is so mad at you, just explain it's not what you believe and it was only for school.

I had to write an essay defending something universally condemned. I thought date rape was the easiest topic to write on. I did extensive research and worked hard trying to create some semblence of a feasible argument. I've tried explaining myself to her but she just calls me an ass. Time to upgrade her Xmas present I guess :p
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5710 Posts
December 19 2013 05:59 GMT
#7014
On December 19 2013 14:57 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 14:03 Zooper31 wrote:
On December 19 2013 13:59 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
My girlfriend got mad at me after reading my final essay defending date rape for my philosophy class final.I guess her friend was date raped before. Any ideas how I can make her stop acting crazy?

If you care to read my essay for yourself here it is:

+ Show Spoiler +
Chill get out!


Was that a topic you chose? Or was it given to you and you were forced to defend date rape? Because if that was a point of view by choice that's pretty pathetic and I'm surprised she didn't dump you on the spot. If you were forced to do it, then I don't see why she is so mad at you, just explain it's not what you believe and it was only for school.

I had to write an essay defending something universally condemned. I thought date rape was the easiest topic to write on. I did extensive research and worked hard trying to create some semblence of a feasible argument. I've tried explaining myself to her but she just calls me an ass. Time to upgrade her Xmas present I guess :p


Ok well then I don't know. It's not your fault at all and she's angry for no reason then if you explained it to her that you don't believe that yourself. Ya upgrade her gift then I guess or do something sweet for her or something lol.
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ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
December 19 2013 06:02 GMT
#7015
On December 19 2013 14:43 Wingblade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 13:59 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
My girlfriend got mad at me after reading my final essay defending date rape for my philosophy class final.I guess her friend was date raped before. Any ideas how I can make her stop acting crazy?

If you care to read my essay for yourself here it is:

+ Show Spoiler +
Ever since the term Date Rape was coined by doctor Mary Koss in 1987, a convoluted piece of legislation of the same name has been injected into the United States of America’s court system. Over the last two and a half decades, this law has been proven ineffective and destructive for a vast majority of the female population while simultaneously keeping the justice system gridlocked with litigant’s arbitrary and contradictory allegations of abuse. Having date rape being illegal is fallacious for a multitude of reasons. It is ineffective; it conflicts with laws already put in place, utilizes the term rape incorrectly, based upon unreliable evidence, creates more victims, and hurts the victims of date rape more than the actual event.
Date rape has nothing to do with rape. The Federal Bureau of Investigation classifies the term rape as a violent crime. Furthermore, rape has nothing at all to do with sex, just ask a feminist. They will gladly point out that rape is about having dominion, power, and control over someone. Date rape is defined as a sexual act that rarely involved violence. That means date rape is a sexual crime not a violent crime. It is disingenuous and irresponsible to attach the word rape to a crime that is virtually absent of violence.
The term date rape is interchangeable with term sexual assault. Sexual assault is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any sexual touching of a person who has not consented. With sexual assault laws already on the books, the date rape law could be adjudicated from arbitration without issue, date rape cases could be easily converted to sexual assault charges, and the criminal litigation process would be streamlined. This simple move would make rape cases less complicated and confusing while correctly classifying date rape as a sexual crime.
Having date rape illegal doesn’t prevent the prevalence of rape, but increases the amount of victims, further exacerbating the problem. Victim is the priciest sell in this world. The victim feels the most and suffers the best. Once you label someone as a victim, the more likely a person is to be victimized. When you have been victimized by someone, the arousal of that encounter etches a pattern into the brain, the brain then tries to master that arousal by attracting perpetrators that are prone to the kind of abusive behavior they fear, and the cycle of victimization continues. This phenomenon is called traumatic reenactment, where a survivor of previous abuse compulsively seeks out the same acts of abuse for the remainder of their lifetime. While date rape is awful and should be avoided at all costs, acknowledgement that you are powerless in a situation is far more painful than the actual indent. If a person never sees themself as a victim, the pattern never emerges, thus the cycle of abuse never begins.
Most rape victims report that revisiting the trauma of a date rape committed against them while testifying against their alleged assailant is more damaging to their mental and emotional psyche than the actual sexual assault. When the justice system does more damage than a rapist you know something is fundamentally broken within American legal practices. In several circumstances, federal criminal court judges have actually ordered rape victims to appear at the rapists…I mean therapists office. The victim has to relive the trauma in perpetuity by talking to the psychologist about the event ad nauseum. It is much healthier to accept what happened, chalk it up to making poor life choices, and move on.
Alcohol is one of the most powerful aphrodisiacs for women. Alcohol is also the most common intoxicants involving date rape. Women's erotic placidity is much more different than a man’s. Studies conducted measuring genital blood flow concludes that; women do not inherently know what turns them on. In women’s biological psychology, there is a schism between how her body is responding to a stimulus and what she reports to her brain consciously. From this information we can deduct that a women’s ability to gauge how her body is responding to sexual encounters can become compromised. Adding the consumption of alcohol to the picture further complicates the issue making a date rape case next to impossible to prove within a reasonable doubt. Therefore the vast majority of date rape cases lack the validity to be tried in a court of law.
Recovering for a traumatic event is completely dependent or the victim’s intrinsic motivation to endure adversity. Some people get dealt a bad hand in life and half to work that much harder than to overcome the obstacles placed in front of them. Nobody has ever gone on to live a productive and meaningful life by obsessing over one obstacle, suing the obstacle, spending years of their life and thousands of dollars putting the obstacle on trial, and throwing the obstacle in jail. Letting a specific event define your standing in the world is tantamount to wasting the greatest gift the world has bestowed upon them, life. Date Rape is a perfect excuse for becoming depressed and surrendering your worth to the court system, relying on lawyers to “come in like a wrecking ball” and fight for what’s left of their plaintiff’s dignity. Or they overcome adversity, accomplish tremendous feats, and become the hero of their own story. Stop blaming environmental factors for getting into precarious situations, take responsibility for your own actions, and learn from both good and bad experiences.


I actually think quite a bit of this essay is relatively logical and well-written

*brain explode*


I thought this had to be some sort of troll/copypasta cause that is possibly the worst piece of writing I've ever read. It has constant grammatical errors, tense confusion, POV/audience confusion, a lack of authority and support, massive logical holes, in addition to being a repugnant insensitive position. It's like the perfect storm of awful.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
December 19 2013 06:02 GMT
#7016
On December 18 2013 03:54 Grobyc wrote:
So there's this really cute girl I was wanting to ask out. Pretty sure she's into me based on a bunch of things, that's not the problem. She's older though... I'm 22 and she's 27. Problem?


I've had several relationships where the woman was 6+ years older than me.

There's no problem unless she has baggage. By 27, check to see if she has any kids... LOL I'm serious
GL HF... YOLO..lololollol.
Grobyc
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada18410 Posts
December 19 2013 06:06 GMT
#7017
Nah I'm 99.9% sure she doesn't. Just a dog... which I'm allergic to. I'll deal with him later
If you watch Godzilla backwards it's about a benevolent lizard who helps rebuild a city and then moonwalks into the ocean.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
December 19 2013 06:08 GMT
#7018
that's typically the age around where women start to feel like they are getting old and have some flings, if you're cool with that go for it. I doubt she wants anything serious
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Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
December 19 2013 06:12 GMT
#7019
On December 19 2013 15:02 ZapRoffo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2013 14:43 Wingblade wrote:
On December 19 2013 13:59 Dogfoodboy16 wrote:
My girlfriend got mad at me after reading my final essay defending date rape for my philosophy class final.I guess her friend was date raped before. Any ideas how I can make her stop acting crazy?

If you care to read my essay for yourself here it is:

+ Show Spoiler +
Ever since the term Date Rape was coined by doctor Mary Koss in 1987, a convoluted piece of legislation of the same name has been injected into the United States of America’s court system. Over the last two and a half decades, this law has been proven ineffective and destructive for a vast majority of the female population while simultaneously keeping the justice system gridlocked with litigant’s arbitrary and contradictory allegations of abuse. Having date rape being illegal is fallacious for a multitude of reasons. It is ineffective; it conflicts with laws already put in place, utilizes the term rape incorrectly, based upon unreliable evidence, creates more victims, and hurts the victims of date rape more than the actual event.
Date rape has nothing to do with rape. The Federal Bureau of Investigation classifies the term rape as a violent crime. Furthermore, rape has nothing at all to do with sex, just ask a feminist. They will gladly point out that rape is about having dominion, power, and control over someone. Date rape is defined as a sexual act that rarely involved violence. That means date rape is a sexual crime not a violent crime. It is disingenuous and irresponsible to attach the word rape to a crime that is virtually absent of violence.
The term date rape is interchangeable with term sexual assault. Sexual assault is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any sexual touching of a person who has not consented. With sexual assault laws already on the books, the date rape law could be adjudicated from arbitration without issue, date rape cases could be easily converted to sexual assault charges, and the criminal litigation process would be streamlined. This simple move would make rape cases less complicated and confusing while correctly classifying date rape as a sexual crime.
Having date rape illegal doesn’t prevent the prevalence of rape, but increases the amount of victims, further exacerbating the problem. Victim is the priciest sell in this world. The victim feels the most and suffers the best. Once you label someone as a victim, the more likely a person is to be victimized. When you have been victimized by someone, the arousal of that encounter etches a pattern into the brain, the brain then tries to master that arousal by attracting perpetrators that are prone to the kind of abusive behavior they fear, and the cycle of victimization continues. This phenomenon is called traumatic reenactment, where a survivor of previous abuse compulsively seeks out the same acts of abuse for the remainder of their lifetime. While date rape is awful and should be avoided at all costs, acknowledgement that you are powerless in a situation is far more painful than the actual indent. If a person never sees themself as a victim, the pattern never emerges, thus the cycle of abuse never begins.
Most rape victims report that revisiting the trauma of a date rape committed against them while testifying against their alleged assailant is more damaging to their mental and emotional psyche than the actual sexual assault. When the justice system does more damage than a rapist you know something is fundamentally broken within American legal practices. In several circumstances, federal criminal court judges have actually ordered rape victims to appear at the rapists…I mean therapists office. The victim has to relive the trauma in perpetuity by talking to the psychologist about the event ad nauseum. It is much healthier to accept what happened, chalk it up to making poor life choices, and move on.
Alcohol is one of the most powerful aphrodisiacs for women. Alcohol is also the most common intoxicants involving date rape. Women's erotic placidity is much more different than a man’s. Studies conducted measuring genital blood flow concludes that; women do not inherently know what turns them on. In women’s biological psychology, there is a schism between how her body is responding to a stimulus and what she reports to her brain consciously. From this information we can deduct that a women’s ability to gauge how her body is responding to sexual encounters can become compromised. Adding the consumption of alcohol to the picture further complicates the issue making a date rape case next to impossible to prove within a reasonable doubt. Therefore the vast majority of date rape cases lack the validity to be tried in a court of law.
Recovering for a traumatic event is completely dependent or the victim’s intrinsic motivation to endure adversity. Some people get dealt a bad hand in life and half to work that much harder than to overcome the obstacles placed in front of them. Nobody has ever gone on to live a productive and meaningful life by obsessing over one obstacle, suing the obstacle, spending years of their life and thousands of dollars putting the obstacle on trial, and throwing the obstacle in jail. Letting a specific event define your standing in the world is tantamount to wasting the greatest gift the world has bestowed upon them, life. Date Rape is a perfect excuse for becoming depressed and surrendering your worth to the court system, relying on lawyers to “come in like a wrecking ball” and fight for what’s left of their plaintiff’s dignity. Or they overcome adversity, accomplish tremendous feats, and become the hero of their own story. Stop blaming environmental factors for getting into precarious situations, take responsibility for your own actions, and learn from both good and bad experiences.


I actually think quite a bit of this essay is relatively logical and well-written

*brain explode*


I thought this had to be some sort of troll/copypasta cause that is possibly the worst piece of writing I've ever read. It has constant grammatical errors, tense confusion, POV/audience confusion, a lack of authority and support, massive logical holes, in addition to being a repugnant insensitive position. It's like the perfect storm of awful.


Glad you conveniently ignored the part where I said "until the end" when it was clear there was a massive disconnect between what he wrote earlier and there, the conclusion destroyed any credibility it had before. Also, it was most likely copy and pasted from a word doc so the indents wouldn't make sense, I also didn't look for every damn grammatical error and tense misuse or whatever because frankly it had nothing to do with the actual content of the paper. It also appears that "repugnant insensitive position" was the goal of the paper which makes everything I wrote irrelevant anyways because he doesn't actually hold this position. I only included the first paragraph under the assumption he actually held that position, and I tried to be nice about it because I didn't know.

That would drive me nuts if she couldn't handle the fact that you wrote a school paper that had to be on this or something probably equally offensive and she was still pissed after you explained that
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-20 04:27:03
December 19 2013 06:29 GMT
#7020
This is hardly relevant to this thread because I've been dating a girl for a few months now and it's going great, but before that, early this year, shortly after being dumped, I was courting this smart young lady who I was madly infatuated with and I was trying to make her my rebound girl. She was impressive in many ways and I acted confident but frankly she was quite intimidating. She's a master's student like myself and works on a bunch of projects on the side and stuff...

Anyways so we had been flirting for weeks and I had not made any sort of "move" because I'm like that, I pretty much suck at this. Some of the flirting was literally like fully fledged dirty questions/remarks and whatnot. We had lunch a few times, no real date though. And at some point she sent a picture of herself, not a "sexy pic" but it did show a bit of skin... I texted "nice legs!" or whatever, which was perfectly within the previously set boundaries of stuff we talked about. She responds "uuuuh alright".

What the actual fuck? I still have nightmares to this day because of that 180 turn. When I got that text, I feel like I friendzoned her. It sounds stupid and it's kinda not true, she could have redeemed herself easily (for some time anyway), but it was so fucking annoying that she'd pull BS like that! And just a day or two later, she'd be back to sending me dirty comments and she was super friendly, until it died down because I kind of stopped paying attention to her shit.

A friend tried to match me with this girl, but only after it didn't work out, he told me about her insane and apparently random mood swings that make her go berserk at ANYBODY at ANY TIME for no reason whatsoever. And apparently, no one is immune to her wrath. She'll randomly snap and be disrespectful or passive aggressive with people just like that. I know her ex, we've gamed together 3-4 times, and apparently that's why he dumped her even though she was "out of his league" both physically, intellectually and in terms of his career. Apparently she, a masters student with a full life, broke down when he dumped her - and he's an unemployed 23 year old who lives with his mother.

She's still an impressive girl, but she was also a bit self-centered and manipulative and when I told her that I teach a university course, I felt like she tried to 1-up it with her accomplishments and her projects. So overall, I dodged a bullet I think.
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