EPT2 US soldiers accused of raping teenagers in Korea - Page 5
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caddock
United States1 Post
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ddrddrddrddr
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koreasilver
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On October 09 2011 06:28 Petninja wrote: I think it's stupid to get angry over it. What good comes from getting angry over it? In general getting angry just makes things worse. The two guys will be tried, and if they're found guilty will get punished. Nothing to be upset over. In practice I understand that human emotional responses are not that easy to overcome, but it doesn't excuse how stupid it is to get angry over this. What? So if something bad happened to you personally, like something bashing your head into the curb, you shouldn't get upset about it, since what happens happens, right? | ||
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
On October 09 2011 05:50 koreasilver wrote: Lets be honest, most Koreans don't really know anything outside of Korea. This is why you people are so deluded. North Korea is as threatening as a homeless dog. Their military is largely obsolete. If a war broke out between the two Koreas and no outside force interfered, North Korea would lose without a question. The whole "North Korea is a threat" thing that Americans think and fear so much rises up from pure rhetorical fear-mongering. North Korea isn't keeping sheepish because of American military presence. They're all talk because they know they don't have the capacity to do anything even if they wanted to. Pretty sure the U.S is there in case China decides to jump in. | ||
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K_Dilkington
Sweden449 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
It becomes a massive big deal, however, when it provides people the opportunity to demonize an unpopular nation and institution. Am I defending those actions? No. Reprehensible. However, it sickens me that it's somehow more important when it's an American soldier than if it was a Korean citizen. | ||
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.Sic.
Korea (South)497 Posts
On October 09 2011 06:53 koreasilver wrote: What? So if something bad happened to you personally, like something bashing your head into the curb, you shouldn't get upset about it, since what happens happens, right? I donno if your analogy is quite logical. But to respond to Petninja, this isn't just a simple issue of rape. Historically, the problem is that American soldiers have not been tried correctly for their crimes (such as murder and rape) in Korea, nor have they received proper punishment. This basically demonstrates Korea's powerlessness against the U.S, and makes Koreans view them as "colonizers." This within the historical context of Korea's shaky modern history as a Japanese colony, and then being divided by U.S.S.R and the U.S, pretty much unleashes a shitstorm of anti-hegemonic and nationalistic sentiments. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8281 Posts
On October 09 2011 07:02 JingleHell wrote: Atrocious and shocking, if it happened. Also atrocious and shocking is the fact that them being of different nationalities makes this headline news worldwide, when something like this happening between two Koreans, or two Americans, or two people of one nationality anywhere, wouldn't even be brought up hardly. It becomes a massive big deal, however, when it provides people the opportunity to demonize an unpopular nation and institution. Am I defending those actions? No. Reprehensible. However, it sickens me that it's somehow more important when it's an American soldier than if it was a Korean citizen. Was about to write exactly this. Yes, its disgusting as hell, but how does it make it worse that they are americans? I'm sure its not a rape free country without the Americans either. | ||
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On October 09 2011 05:37 MattBarry wrote: It's so stupid for people to get angry about this. 2 Americans does not represent the entire country. They're American soldiers stationed in a foreign country. Like it or not, they're there are representatives of the US. What they do matters. | ||
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semantics
10040 Posts
On October 09 2011 06:59 .Sic. wrote: Pretty sure the U.S is there in case China decides to jump in. For the most part this is right, although the fall of the cccp makes people think all communistic wars were done there, china was the main ally in the korean war and they have made it clear from time to time that they like the status quo of having north korea acting as a buffer state. But it's all hear say to try and figure out how a war would turn out if china would help or discourage a north Korean attack due to it's effects on the status quo. And with paranoia running the military our 2 ocean navy is actually looking to move from the pacific and Atlantic to being a pacific and indian ocean navy holding the main bulk. | ||
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Citrustea
15 Posts
On October 09 2011 06:42 ddrddrddrddr wrote: Why are people making excuses? These aren't normal people, these are professional soldiers stationed by a foreign country. When things like these happen, it will not be looked upon as a crime by a simple person, as a representative of a body. It does not matter that they are not because the racial and political divide between the populace and these people will allow demonization across the gap. Why are soldiers not considered normal people? Have you ever served? You do know that the U.S. military in a way acts like a corporation. You have people working for other people, that applies everywhere. What makes them different? Just because they can shoot a gun? What do you define as a normal person? I don't see how these two soldiers are "representatives of a body". That's basically saying that they represent America as the "lets go to other foreign countries just to rape the women". Your logic is the same reason why people in America generalize blacks/mexicans for crimes. The people in charge of those soldiers already issued an apology and will deal with the situation accordingly. Just wait and see if they are truly guilty or not. | ||
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TOloseGT
United States1145 Posts
On October 09 2011 07:08 PH wrote: They're American soldiers stationed in a foreign country. Like it or not, they're there are representatives of the US. What they do matters. Exactly, and they will be punished if the allegations are true. It doesn't make it right for people in this topic to judge the rest of the soldiers because of some bad apples. | ||
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RoosterSamurai
Japan2108 Posts
On October 09 2011 07:08 PH wrote: They're American soldiers stationed in a foreign country. Like it or not, they're there are representatives of the US. What they do matters. My thoughts exactly. Whether or not it's "Just 2 soldiers" (Assuming they're guilty) they are still representing the United States. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On October 09 2011 05:25 SpiritAshura wrote: Shut up. Absolutely awful, these 2 soldiers will pay for their actions however. Stupid people like this don't help the United States military's image. Actually at this point it is rather hard to tarnish :/ | ||
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oBlade
United States6642 Posts
On October 09 2011 06:53 koreasilver wrote: What? So if something bad happened to you personally, like something bashing your head into the curb, you shouldn't get upset about it, since what happens happens, right? It's strawmanning. Bad things happen in the world. For the actually rare bad things that happen, plenty of good things and inconsequential things happen. People shouldn't get angry over this in the sense that they will lose the use of their reason and operate on simple prejudice. We should spare a little sympathy for victims whenever we find them. But a lynch mob won't help. If they're legitimate accusations, they'll be tried or litigated. What more can any of us do? | ||
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Hikko
United States1126 Posts
I'll believe it when the soldiers are convicted in court. | ||
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Gnight
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On October 09 2011 06:59 .Sic. wrote: Pretty sure the U.S is there in case China decides to jump in. Off-topic: Not just that, a threat is a threat, Kora here seems to forget that even if that threat can be cleared by South Korea alone (which I have my doubts at, seeing it's just theorycrafting wheter such a thing is possible or not untill such a war actually happens) it still remains a threat till it's cleared, one way or another (through peace or war putting it rather black and white. xD). Now if North Korea decides to attack South Korea, then I am pretty damn sure there will be casulties and not a little too. And among those casulties, I have no doubts that there will be a amazing high number of civilian casulties because North Korea has actually people at the top that don't quite care wheter they bomb a city with mainly "innocent" people in it or not. On the other hand, South Korea does have interest in not hurting innocent people on North Korean soil, of course such a thing is almost near impossible in a war, but that will still prevent full out bombings from South Korea on North Korea. This can bring a huge difference when going into the battlefield and even if South Korea wins, at what costs would this be? To even go further on this, North Korea actually has extremists to a extreme point (funny typo I am leaving in, extreme extremists.. >.<). To give you a example, their special forces hold soldiers that put themselves forward for willing execution, because they deem themselves the weak link. And they actual get executed, without hesitation. If such people hold a couple of nukes behind their backs, who knows what could happen. (source, watch Deadliest Warriors episode of the Rangers vs North Korean special forces where this information is being told by one of the people that has insight/knowledge over the North Korean special forces) And I am pretty sure this isn't even the whole picture of it, so don't go blantly throwing out SK>NK or that NK isn't a real threat to worry about. On-topic: What happened there is awfull, wheter it was done by soldiers of the US army or not. Rape is something that is awful regardless who, where and how it happens, period. I just hope that punishment will come where it's due and if soldiers of the US army performed the rape then so be it. Though I don't think that the whole US, their army or the stationed soldiers there should be severly punished for the fact one of their "comrade" perhaps performed rape. Yes, they are trained, but the fact they are trained, disciplined doesn't make them any less human then a nerd in his basement. Bringing out a curfew for a decent amount of time is a pretty good reaction in my eyes, it isn't a real outright severe punishment towards the people that are stationed there, but a clear message towards the people in South Korea that the army is taking the claims personally and is willing to act upon it even before the accusations are proven. Of course the curfew is in the end still a punishment of some sorts and it's unfortunate that in such a case innocent army personal in any form has to suffer to some degree from this, but I think there isn't really much the army could do else to send out a "good" message towards the inhabitants of South Korea. | ||
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Budzlight
United States578 Posts
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Simberto
Germany12061 Posts
On October 09 2011 07:17 RoosterSamurai wrote: My thoughts exactly. Whether or not it's "Just 2 soldiers" (Assuming they're guilty) they are still representing the United States. In my opinion, this is wrong. I think it is literally impossible to prevent a large body of people from committing any crimes at all. So, what represents your country are, at least in my opinion, not the crimes which are comitted by soldiers abroad (unless it happens either systematically or uncharacteristically often), but how you deal with them afterwards. Which of course also influences the amount of crimes happening, because if people think they can get away with stuff, more crimes will happen, and if they know they won't, there will be less | ||
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