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On October 09 2011 05:59 Ocedic wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 05:47 Sandro wrote:
American soldiers shouldn't be allowed outside of their bases.
Also, as a show of good faith, these soldiers should be tried in Korean courts and get sentenced to chemical castration. Not saying rape should be tolerated, but punishing thousands of soldiers for the actions of 2 is ridiculous. Imagine if you were stationed overseas and not allowed to leave a base for months/years. What happened was terrible and the soldiers should be punished for their crimes. However, this shouldn't be a reflection of the entire US armed forces.
Exactly. And it shouldn't make any American "ashamed" of who they are. I'm not American, but I am logical. I'm pretty sure there are a handful of Korean men who have done their fair share of raping their own kind. This in particular just got attention because they're foreigners, particularly US military personnel. I wouldn't be surprised if the people who are angered by this have anti-American sentiments, or at least against US military presence. They haven't been convicted, they haven't been found guilty.
Rape is pretty much a straight ticket to hell, and if these guys were ever convicted, I would hope the Koreans had the final say on their sentence. But let's hold off the America should leave visavis NK would own SK or the bash-America discussions until then.
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Let the generalizations begin..
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On October 09 2011 05:52 Grobyc wrote:
You think it's stupid to get angry about rape? Who cares if they interpret 2 Americans as the entire country, I'm pretty sure having your people raped is something to get angry about regardless of the offenders nationality.
Just to point out how absurd your line of thinking is:
What would you do if 2 black people or foreigners would rape someone? Would you then be angry at all blacks and all foreigners??
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On October 09 2011 06:03 rockerman101 wrote:
god its horrible that we have soldiers doing this shit
You cannot be that naiive, we have soldiers doing this shit in the United States. Believe it or not committing crimes is not limited to a certain population!
At every base I've been stationed at, every Friday we have a "safety brief" where they specifically tell us to not do dumb shit, and then the guy goes on and list every crime in the book (and certain non crimes in the civilian sector but crimes in the military sector e:. adultery), while we stand there in the rain. We are not a special breed of people filled with morals and honor. In the armed forces we perform a job and as much as they try to brainwash and civilians try to view us as something else, we are just humans. We have the same desires and wishes as you do and yes, some of us are scumbags. We are suppose to represent the American people and sadly we do, the good and the bad. We want to represent the "best" of America but that is a goal not a reality.
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On October 09 2011 06:06 APurpleCow wrote:To be honest, I don't really see what the big deal is... Unless I'm reading this wrong, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States says there are ~28 cases of rape in the US/100,000 people per year. With 30,000 soldiers there, some rapes will occur.
So you're okay with US soldiers committing crimes in other countries because "boys will be boys?"
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On October 09 2011 05:56 Zaros wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 05:50 koreasilver wrote:
This is why you people are so deluded. North Korea is as threatening as a homeless dog. Their military is largely obsolete. If a war broke out between the two Koreas and no outside force interfered, North Korea would lose without a question. The whole "North Korea is a threat" thing that Americans think and fear so much rises up from pure rhetorical fear-mongering. North Korea isn't keeping sheepish because of American military presence. They're all talk because they know they don't have the capacity to do anything even if they wanted to. Dont want to make this a NK vs SK but I believe North Korea have nuclear weapons and so anyone with nuclear weapons is a threat as they can make any peace of land unusable for 100s/1000s of years and kill many people.
Do you really think that a nuclear weapon is a viable threat against a nation that resides in the same thumb-sized peninsula? Not to mention that North Korea's nuclear posturing is expressly for the sake of political posturing, not active military use. Furthermore, this doesn't change the fact that their military is obsolete in every aspect, and so they would ultimately lose if they were to ever even consider the absolutely nonsensical and stupid idea of invading South Korea. It makes no goddamned sense in any way. This is why the idea that North Korea would attack South Korea without hesitation if America retreated is just stupid, and you have to be an idiot to think so.
I mean, lets just ignore the fact that South Korea and North Korea were trying to establish better relations until current administration took power in South Korea, right?
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I hope they get punished to the full extent of the korean law.
This is sickening and not acceptable in any conceivable way.
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I don't really see how it's any different if it was koreans who did it.
This thread is just one big rumor where people say it's horrible with knowing if there is any truth to it.
We might as well add a poll since people seems to know they are guilty
Public JUSTICE!!!
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The reason this is news is because U.S. soldiers stationed overseas is a sensitive issue in those countries and when a crime is committed some people think "this crime wouldn't have happened if these people weren't here."
Kind of like in the states if a legal Canadian immigrant were to murder someone nobody would care, but if an illegal Mexican immigrant did the same it would be an outrage to some people. If this were an American tourist that did the rape nobody would say, "Ban tourists!" But I imagine there is already some bad blood with overseas soldiers that makes something like this just adding fuel to an already burning fire.
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they are accuse. nothing is for sure yet but the soldier should be punish of course if guilty.
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On October 09 2011 06:09 UisTehSux wrote:
Let the generalizations begin.. Nah don't need to generalise. Same stuff has happened since 1945, oh make it 1944 for that matter. Okinawa and Japan have had plenty of rapes in the past from American GI's. Even Australian GI's at that. Nothing to be ashamed of as an American - I guarantee that your average soldier would do the same in the same situation.
But I mean... seriously... the war has been over for 65 years... there isn't really the "war is very traumatic / I my not live to see anothehr day" excuse for american GI's to rape girls.
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Russian Federation3331 Posts
On October 09 2011 05:38 Neeh wrote:
Woha, suprised at the ammount of soldiers the US got stuffed all over, for over 60 year old conflicts. You'd think they would start to trickle it down abit over such a long time..
But still, the Korean War isn't officially ended... I'm Korean but I understand~
But this is just terrible.. sorry for the victims~
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Well hopefully they'll be prosecuted in Korea and the US government won't try and protect rapist.
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On October 09 2011 06:16 Whias_k wrote:
I don't really see how it's any different if it was koreans who did it.
This thread is just one big rumor where people say it's horrible with knowing if there is any truth to it.
We might as well add a poll since people seems to know they are guilty
Public JUSTICE!!!
Well one story is quite convincing.
http://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/korea/korea-to-take-custody-of-u-s-soldier-accused-of-rape-1.156950
SEOUL – A Camp Casey soldier accused of the Sept. 24 rape of an 18-year-old South Korean woman will be transferred to South Korean custody Thursday, according to the U.S. Army’s 2nd Infantry Division.
The soldier, a private first class whose name has not been released, allegedly entered the woman’s home, a small room in a goshitel — a low-budget hotel with dormitory-style rooms — and raped her, according to Park Sang Yung, chief of the Dongducheon Police Station.
According to Dongducheon police, the 21-year-old soldier also used scissors and a knife in the attack. The victim remains hospitalized for mental trauma caused by the attack, according to the head of police department’s violent crime division. She sustained minor injuries to two fingers while trying to fend off his attack, the official said.
The soldier has confessed to the rape and said he was drunk at the time, the official said.
http://www.military.com/news/article/soldier-sought-in-s-korean-womans-rape.html?ESRC=topstories.RSS
The district court in Uijeongbu, Gyeonggi Province, ordered the arrest of the 21-year-old Army private of the 2nd Infantry Division in Dongducheon accused of raping an 18-year-old at her home near his unit around 4 a.m. on Sept. 24.
The private, who was apparently drunk and armed at the time, allegedly broke into her home as the woman was watching television, raped her and then fled.
The Soldier was filmed as he entered the building in a surveillance camera installed near the victim's home and the police notified the U.S. military of its findings.
"Considering the gravity of the offense, and the fact that the suspect has been summoned for questioning, we issued a warrant for detention for the suspect as there are chances he may flee," said Oh Yeon-soo, the judge in charge of the case, Saturday.
Can't find anything on the other case
Army Brig. Gen. David Conboy, who supervises the U.S. garrison in Seoul, issued a statement apologizing for "pain" caused by allegations that a U.S. soldier raped a girl in her rented room in Seoul on Sept. 17. That solider — a private in his early 20s — is being questioned by police but has not been arrested.
Another U.S. private has been arrested on suspicion of raping a teenage girl on Sept. 24 in a city north of Seoul.
The one is the 2nd one ie sept 24th
I'll see if i can find more detail stories about the sept 17th one.
On October 09 2011 06:27 APurpleCow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2011 06:12 Ocedic wrote:On October 09 2011 06:06 APurpleCow wrote:To be honest, I don't really see what the big deal is... Unless I'm reading this wrong, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics#United_States says there are ~28 cases of rape in the US/100,000 people per year. With 30,000 soldiers there, some rapes will occur. So you're okay with US soldiers committing crimes in other countries because "boys will be boys?" You're saying "US soldiers", which almost implies that these men's actions were condoned by the US military. If you took 30,000 korean men at random, they probably commit just as many, if not more, rapes than the US soldiers do. To use these rapes to fuel anti-American sentiments is pretty ridiculous.
Well if you're going into stats, it would be less rapes but more suicides still it's just sad to think about.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/10/07/world/asia/south-korea-us-rape/?hpt=wo_c2
One of the cases involves 21-year-old soldier who allegedly broke into a girl's home on September 17, U.S. Forces Korea, said in a statement.
The soldier, who was identified only as "R", is accused of raping the girl and stealing a computer from the home.
"He had been drinking with her earlier in the evening and walked her home," the military statement said. "Police say the accused says it was consensual but admits to stealing her computer. Police are now studying DNA evidence and CCTV footage."
can't find a whole lot on the sept 17th incident.
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On October 09 2011 06:17 CHOMPMannER wrote:
not surprised tbh
I think anybody that would be surprised by a rape happening probably doesn't know a whole lot about the world.
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On October 09 2011 06:12 Ocedic wrote:So you're okay with US soldiers committing crimes in other countries because "boys will be boys?"
You're saying "US soldiers", which almost implies that these men's actions were condoned by the US military.
If you took 30,000 korean men at random, they probably commit just as many, if not more, rapes than the US soldiers do. To use these rapes to fuel anti-American sentiments is pretty ridiculous.
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There will be bad people wherever you go. Give these people a trial and if convicted, a very long time in jail and a dishonorable discharge.
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On October 09 2011 05:52 Grobyc wrote:
You think it's stupid to get angry about rape? Who cares if they interpret 2 Americans as the entire country, I'm pretty sure having your people raped is something to get angry about regardless of the offenders nationality.
I think it's stupid to get angry over it. What good comes from getting angry over it? In general getting angry just makes things worse. The two guys will be tried, and if they're found guilty will get punished. Nothing to be upset over.
In practice I understand that human emotional responses are not that easy to overcome, but it doesn't excuse how stupid it is to get angry over this.
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Oh geeze, these idiots are going to leave another scar for their country. sigh.
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