2 US soldiers accused of raping teenagers in Korea - Page 28

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Grettin

42381 Posts

November 06 2011 13:23 GMT

#541

On November 06 2011 22:02 Detri wrote:
the Korean war is still ongoing... am i correct in this?

I was under the impression, don't know where from, that there had never been a ceasefire.
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They are technically in war yes, no peace treaty signed or anything afaik.

Euronyme

Sweden3804 Posts

November 06 2011 13:27 GMT

#542

How come this thread is still active? It was almost a month ago.

Grettin

42381 Posts

November 06 2011 13:29 GMT

#543

On November 06 2011 22:27 Euronyme wrote:
How come this thread is still active? It was almost a month ago.

Because just recently one(?) of the accused soldiers was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

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arbitrageur

Australia1202 Posts

November 06 2011 13:31 GMT

#544

On October 09 2011 05:23 jANii_ wrote:
heard a rumor that south korea will react to this by taking a fast gold and do a +2 timing push

User was temp banned for this post.

I shouldn't have laughed.

hmunkey

United Kingdom1973 Posts

November 06 2011 17:23 GMT

#545

On November 06 2011 19:57 DeadBull wrote:
there are 28,500 troops in korea ?

wtf usa ???

Yeah...
It's not like they're combat troops; they're on standby. The whole idea of having a strong military is to maintain power projection capabilities. That means having at least some presence in different parts of the world (or having allied presence at the very least), which is done by having airbases in Korea and Europe and carriers around the Persian Gulf.

Having a base with 100s of jets and 30,000 soldiers near a hostile state is arguably the most effective way to negotiate. Carrier diplomacy for example has historically been practiced by most NATO states. If a country is acting belligerent, 4 aircraft carriers park off the coast while NATO leaders go to a negotiating table.

neversummer

United States156 Posts

November 06 2011 18:25 GMT

#546

On November 06 2011 06:12 ShatterZer0 wrote:

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On November 06 2011 05:42 BabyCrusher wrote:
Active duty USAF here..

While I'll start off with saying yes, it is unfortunate that these events happened and those accused should be punished to the upmost extent of which ever jurisdiction holds custody of the case. However, the hate towards the US military, ESPECIALLY from other Americans kind of worries me.

While I'm not stationed around the region in question, I have a lot of friends who currently are and have been. Army, AF, and Marines. There are bad people everywhere and them being military personnel does not change that nor does it empower them in anyway what so ever.

Someone mentioned "What's wrong with soldiers now a days?" I ask, what do you mean?
Do you mean taking a 20 year old KID and putting him on the other side of the world away from his comfort zone, family, friends, etc for X amount of years, working non stop and constantly being pushed by his chain of command has adverse side effects that could trigger abnormal actions from an individual that under normal circumstances probably wouldn't occur?
If so, then yes I agree.
However if you meant to state that american soldiers are garbage and try to exploit, abuse, and outright ignore foreign laws and policy because they have little to no repercussions then I feel you are sadly misinformed.

An Army Private is hardly a professional in his chosen career field. He is an apprentice at best. Young and stupid just like anyone at that age.

I've always wondered why if the Koreans and Japanese hate us so much then why are most military spouses Korean or Japanese? Sometimes it's for the money, or a ticket out of the country. Sounds stupid, but a guarantee you it's truth. Any girl can claim rape even if it was consensual. I've seen it happen multiple times in my career, even stateside. Not saying that's the case here, but certainly it shouldn't be overlooked as plausible.

While I do agree we have to many bases around the world, and while many will be closing their doors soon, don't expect the presence in Korea or Japan to go away. They are fighter bases for a reason. We don't have that many troops and weapons there to flex the American super power. The military is about saving money just like any other business, and while a lot of spending may seem irresponsible and excessive, a lot of it is not as well. A lot of living situations for military members is sub par, especially when it comes to the Army in comparison. You don't see a lot of the spending cuts we do, because you aren't directly effected by them.

Sorry for the rant, but unless you have served it's really irritating when someone bashes any military service and talks about how they know it all and how easily it could be changed for the better. This situation certainly should not be about the military presence or the actions of the smallest margin of its people. Simply those involved.

Japanese hate Americans because they lost a war and were taught, during the war, that Americans were uncultured mongrels that don't deserve much to live.

Koreans hate Americans because Theodore Roosevelt got the Nobel Peace Prize for creating the Japanese occupation of Korea. An occupation that destroyed more than 95% of the trees in Korea. An occupation that changed the language to the roots. An occupation that raped and killed and forcibly enlisted millions. An occupation that taught Koreans that the entire world can tell you to fucking die and not give one fucking shit.

Thank you for your service to our country, may you live happily and serve honorably.

Though, your ignorance of the hatred thrust upon you is not something that is to be forgiven. Blindly wondering WHY someone hates you does nothing to alleviate the hate that glares down on you.

Oh, and Koreans think they're the only cultured people on Earth. Nationalism is super huge, for a reason. I'm ethnically Korean but Nationally American.

You seem to be emotionally invested into this argument, so you should probably get your facts straight. The alleged Taft-Katsura Agreement, which is nothing more than speculation, was between Secretary of War William Taft and the Prime Minister of Japan, Katsura Taro. Note neither the president of the United States, Theodore Roosevelt, nor the emperor of Japan, Taisho, were present during the negotiations. Roosevelt was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for facilitating the Treaty of Portsmouth, which effectively ended the Russo-Japanese War.

During the meeting between Taft and Katsura, the prime minster deliberately articulated the importance of Japanese occupation of Korea. Katsura believed Korea was a direct cause of the Russo-Japanese War, as it had entered into agreements with other nations which agitated Japanese relations and forced them into militarized resolution.

Katsura wished to impose a Japanese protectorate over Korea, as to oversee its international relations and prevent it from entering into imprudent agreements. Taft allegedly agreed a Japanese protectorate would help stabilize the region, but this is nothing more than assumption and speculation derived primarily from Korean historians. Taft, the Secretary of War, had no legitimacy or authorization to enter into international agreements with foreign powers.

Euronyme

Sweden3804 Posts

November 06 2011 18:52 GMT

#547

On November 06 2011 22:29 Grettin wrote:

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Because just recently one(?) of the accused soldiers was sentenced to 10 years in prison.

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