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Sad to hear but honestly those soldiers obviously weren't ordered to rape those girls and they obviously failed to uphold the duty of a US soldier so it shouldn't affect US-Korean government relations. Unfortunately it will because people will blame the US for 2 dumb asses that shouldn't be in the military.
I hope for the victims in all this and that they can recover from the trauma.
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On November 05 2011 21:09 Psychobabas wrote:
In the USA alone, there is a rape every 2 minutes. Yet, we never hear about these ~700 women every day...
Dont get me wrong, rape is of course awful but I find it wrong how it has seen the public eye only because it was committed by an American soldier. Like it's more important because of the rapist's identify not the actual crime itself. A sad state of affairs for all the victims.
Exactly how I feel. Divorces are happening all over the world yet somehow we only hear about Kim Kardashian's. The people involved and the shit storm it causes is definitely what people are drawn to and not just the nature of the crime.
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On November 06 2011 06:19 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 05:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On November 06 2011 05:42 BabyCrusher wrote:
Active duty USAF here..
While I'll start off with saying yes, it is unfortunate that these events happened and those accused should be punished to the upmost extent of which ever jurisdiction holds custody of the case. However, the hate towards the US military, ESPECIALLY from other Americans kind of worries me.
While I'm not stationed around the region in question, I have a lot of friends who currently are and have been. Army, AF, and Marines. There are bad people everywhere and them being military personnel does not change that nor does it empower them in anyway what so ever.
Someone mentioned "What's wrong with soldiers now a days?" I ask, what do you mean?
Do you mean taking a 20 year old KID and putting him on the other side of the world away from his comfort zone, family, friends, etc for X amount of years, working non stop and constantly being pushed by his chain of command has adverse side effects that could trigger abnormal actions from an individual that under normal circumstances probably wouldn't occur?
If so, then yes I agree.
However if you meant to state that american soldiers are garbage and try to exploit, abuse, and outright ignore foreign laws and policy because they have little to no repercussions then I feel you are sadly misinformed.
An Army Private is hardly a professional in his chosen career field. He is an apprentice at best. Young and stupid just like anyone at that age.
Apologists runnin' wild all up in this bitch. So, soldiers who rape are just young, stupid, confused kids. Awesome. Who needs accountability? Looks like rapists are just misunderstood people! Your frequent references to age and rank disturb me. Exactly how old does someone have to be, or how "professional" does somehow have to be, before we can condemn them as rapists? 21 years old? 22? Ranked as Sergeants or higher? Fucking bullshit, man. wow, just wow. hes not stating that its okay, hes saying that (as its known) pressure changes people and what do you think its like for people in the military? plush, no pressure right? I don't think you really have any idea of what really happened and i also dont think its okay for any rape to ever occur.. but really you just come off as an asshole
By your logic there is a threshold pressure by which I should commit whatever crime I am capable of. But I tell you that there is no such pressure that would drive me to rape a girl.
Circumstances don't make people commit crimes... They may provide the perfect setting, but in the end its still a persons decision to commit a crime. Therefore people should be judged based on their decisions.
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On November 06 2011 06:42 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:09 Psychobabas wrote:
In the USA alone, there is a rape every 2 minutes. Yet, we never hear about these ~700 women every day...
Dont get me wrong, rape is of course awful but I find it wrong how it has seen the public eye only because it was committed by an American soldier. Like it's more important because of the rapist's identify not the actual crime itself. A sad state of affairs for all the victims. Exactly how I feel. Divorces are happening all over the world yet somehow we only hear about Kim Kardashian's. The people involved and the shit storm it causes is definitely what people are drawn to and not just the nature of the crime.
You said best but I prefer to call them Shit blizzards just like trailer park boys final episode. However really you are right on the ball who cares that she's getting divorced all it is is a distraction from real problems.
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On November 06 2011 06:17 TunaBarrett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 06 2011 06:12 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 05:42 BabyCrusher wrote:
Active duty USAF here..
While I'll start off with saying yes, it is unfortunate that these events happened and those accused should be punished to the upmost extent of which ever jurisdiction holds custody of the case. However, the hate towards the US military, ESPECIALLY from other Americans kind of worries me.
While I'm not stationed around the region in question, I have a lot of friends who currently are and have been. Army, AF, and Marines. There are bad people everywhere and them being military personnel does not change that nor does it empower them in anyway what so ever.
Someone mentioned "What's wrong with soldiers now a days?" I ask, what do you mean?
Do you mean taking a 20 year old KID and putting him on the other side of the world away from his comfort zone, family, friends, etc for X amount of years, working non stop and constantly being pushed by his chain of command has adverse side effects that could trigger abnormal actions from an individual that under normal circumstances probably wouldn't occur?
If so, then yes I agree.
However if you meant to state that american soldiers are garbage and try to exploit, abuse, and outright ignore foreign laws and policy because they have little to no repercussions then I feel you are sadly misinformed.
An Army Private is hardly a professional in his chosen career field. He is an apprentice at best. Young and stupid just like anyone at that age.
I've always wondered why if the Koreans and Japanese hate us so much then why are most military spouses Korean or Japanese? Sometimes it's for the money, or a ticket out of the country. Sounds stupid, but a guarantee you it's truth. Any girl can claim rape even if it was consensual. I've seen it happen multiple times in my career, even stateside. Not saying that's the case here, but certainly it shouldn't be overlooked as plausible.
While I do agree we have to many bases around the world, and while many will be closing their doors soon, don't expect the presence in Korea or Japan to go away. They are fighter bases for a reason. We don't have that many troops and weapons there to flex the American super power. The military is about saving money just like any other business, and while a lot of spending may seem irresponsible and excessive, a lot of it is not as well. A lot of living situations for military members is sub par, especially when it comes to the Army in comparison. You don't see a lot of the spending cuts we do, because you aren't directly effected by them.
Sorry for the rant, but unless you have served it's really irritating when someone bashes any military service and talks about how they know it all and how easily it could be changed for the better. This situation certainly should not be about the military presence or the actions of the smallest margin of its people. Simply those involved.
Japanese hate Americans because they lost a war and were taught, during the war, that Americans were uncultured mongrels that don't deserve much to live. Koreans hate Americans because Theodore Roosevelt got the Nobel Peace Prize for creating the Japanese occupation of Korea. An occupation that destroyed more than 95% of the trees in Korea. An occupation that changed the language to the roots. An occupation that raped and killed and forcibly enlisted millions. An occupation that taught Koreans that the entire world can tell you to fucking die and not give one fucking shit. Thank you for your service to our country, may you live happily and serve honorably. Though, your ignorance of the hatred thrust upon you is not something that is to be forgiven. Blindly wondering WHY someone hates you does nothing to alleviate the hate that glares down on you. Oh, and Koreans think they're the only cultured people on Earth. Nationalism is super huge, for a reason. I'm ethnically Korean but Nationally American. Good thing you are partly American then, where nationalism isnt an issue whatsoever!
It looks like you're being sarcastic, but in case you are not, nationalism and jingoism is overwhelming here, probably more than any other country in the world, and that's even in the state of California, which I'd bet is a lot better than most of the country in this regard (Texas was quite the "culture shock", I'll say that). To be honest, Shatter's last paragraph was a bit confusing. He lives in the US, but seems oblivious to the ridiculous amount of nationalism in the US that he would place Korea as the epitome of nationalism. Perhaps he lives in those East Asian communities/neighborhoods and doesn't see so much of American society proper. I know I am making an assumption, but I've known many, many dozens and dozens of people who grew up in this scenario, so it would come as no surprise.
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+ Show Spoiler +[QUOTE] On November 06 2011 06:17 TunaBarrett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 06 2011 06:12 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 05:42 BabyCrusher wrote:
Active duty USAF here..
While I'll start off with saying yes, it is unfortunate that these events happened and those accused should be punished to the upmost extent of which ever jurisdiction holds custody of the case. However, the hate towards the US military, ESPECIALLY from other Americans kind of worries me.
While I'm not stationed around the region in question, I have a lot of friends who currently are and have been. Army, AF, and Marines. There are bad people everywhere and them being military personnel does not change that nor does it empower them in anyway what so ever.
Someone mentioned "What's wrong with soldiers now a days?" I ask, what do you mean?
Do you mean taking a 20 year old KID and putting him on the other side of the world away from his comfort zone, family, friends, etc for X amount of years, working non stop and constantly being pushed by his chain of command has adverse side effects that could trigger abnormal actions from an individual that under normal circumstances probably wouldn't occur?
If so, then yes I agree.
However if you meant to state that american soldiers are garbage and try to exploit, abuse, and outright ignore foreign laws and policy because they have little to no repercussions then I feel you are sadly misinformed.
An Army Private is hardly a professional in his chosen career field. He is an apprentice at best. Young and stupid just like anyone at that age.
I've always wondered why if the Koreans and Japanese hate us so much then why are most military spouses Korean or Japanese? Sometimes it's for the money, or a ticket out of the country. Sounds stupid, but a guarantee you it's truth. Any girl can claim rape even if it was consensual. I've seen it happen multiple times in my career, even stateside. Not saying that's the case here, but certainly it shouldn't be overlooked as plausible.
While I do agree we have to many bases around the world, and while many will be closing their doors soon, don't expect the presence in Korea or Japan to go away. They are fighter bases for a reason. We don't have that many troops and weapons there to flex the American super power. The military is about saving money just like any other business, and while a lot of spending may seem irresponsible and excessive, a lot of it is not as well. A lot of living situations for military members is sub par, especially when it comes to the Army in comparison. You don't see a lot of the spending cuts we do, because you aren't directly effected by them.
Sorry for the rant, but unless you have served it's really irritating when someone bashes any military service and talks about how they know it all and how easily it could be changed for the better. This situation certainly should not be about the military presence or the actions of the smallest margin of its people. Simply those involved.
Japanese hate Americans because they lost a war and were taught, during the war, that Americans were uncultured mongrels that don't deserve much to live. Koreans hate Americans because Theodore Roosevelt got the Nobel Peace Prize for creating the Japanese occupation of Korea. An occupation that destroyed more than 95% of the trees in Korea. An occupation that changed the language to the roots. An occupation that raped and killed and forcibly enlisted millions. An occupation that taught Koreans that the entire world can tell you to fucking die and not give one fucking shit. Thank you for your service to our country, may you live happily and serve honorably. Though, your ignorance of the hatred thrust upon you is not something that is to be forgiven. Blindly wondering WHY someone hates you does nothing to alleviate the hate that glares down on you. Oh, and Koreans think they're the only cultured people on Earth. Nationalism is super huge, for a reason. I'm ethnically Korean but Nationally American. Good thing you are partly American then, where nationalism isnt an issue whatsoever!
I was indeed being sarcastic.
The amount of nationalism/patriotism that exists in the U.S is something is really quite scary.
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On November 06 2011 06:47 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 06:19 sc14s wrote:On November 06 2011 05:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On November 06 2011 05:42 BabyCrusher wrote:
Active duty USAF here..
While I'll start off with saying yes, it is unfortunate that these events happened and those accused should be punished to the upmost extent of which ever jurisdiction holds custody of the case. However, the hate towards the US military, ESPECIALLY from other Americans kind of worries me.
While I'm not stationed around the region in question, I have a lot of friends who currently are and have been. Army, AF, and Marines. There are bad people everywhere and them being military personnel does not change that nor does it empower them in anyway what so ever.
Someone mentioned "What's wrong with soldiers now a days?" I ask, what do you mean?
Do you mean taking a 20 year old KID and putting him on the other side of the world away from his comfort zone, family, friends, etc for X amount of years, working non stop and constantly being pushed by his chain of command has adverse side effects that could trigger abnormal actions from an individual that under normal circumstances probably wouldn't occur?
If so, then yes I agree.
However if you meant to state that american soldiers are garbage and try to exploit, abuse, and outright ignore foreign laws and policy because they have little to no repercussions then I feel you are sadly misinformed.
An Army Private is hardly a professional in his chosen career field. He is an apprentice at best. Young and stupid just like anyone at that age.
Apologists runnin' wild all up in this bitch. So, soldiers who rape are just young, stupid, confused kids. Awesome. Who needs accountability? Looks like rapists are just misunderstood people! Your frequent references to age and rank disturb me. Exactly how old does someone have to be, or how "professional" does somehow have to be, before we can condemn them as rapists? 21 years old? 22? Ranked as Sergeants or higher? Fucking bullshit, man. wow, just wow. hes not stating that its okay, hes saying that (as its known) pressure changes people and what do you think its like for people in the military? plush, no pressure right? I don't think you really have any idea of what really happened and i also dont think its okay for any rape to ever occur.. but really you just come off as an asshole By your logic there is a threshold pressure by which I should commit whatever crime I am capable of. But I tell you that there is no such pressure that would drive me to rape another girl. Circumstances don't make people commit crimes... They may provide the perfect setting, but in the end its still a persons decision to commit a crime. Therefore people should be judged based on their decisions.
You dont think the setting would perhaps help make the situation worse? People have desires, all of them including military personnel. For them its worse being in another country for long periods of time and unable to say take care of certain wants. I would say that does increase the likelyhood of said persons of doing something stupid and terrible. Please don't take this as me okaying it.. its a terrible thing to do regardless. I am just pointing out that stress makes people act differently.
You personally might never ever in a million years rape someone even if it was to save the human race from destruction but for many people obviously their threshold is much less. obviously apparent by the rate of rape in the world.
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On November 06 2011 06:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 06:17 TunaBarrett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 06 2011 06:12 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 05:42 BabyCrusher wrote:
Active duty USAF here..
While I'll start off with saying yes, it is unfortunate that these events happened and those accused should be punished to the upmost extent of which ever jurisdiction holds custody of the case. However, the hate towards the US military, ESPECIALLY from other Americans kind of worries me.
While I'm not stationed around the region in question, I have a lot of friends who currently are and have been. Army, AF, and Marines. There are bad people everywhere and them being military personnel does not change that nor does it empower them in anyway what so ever.
Someone mentioned "What's wrong with soldiers now a days?" I ask, what do you mean?
Do you mean taking a 20 year old KID and putting him on the other side of the world away from his comfort zone, family, friends, etc for X amount of years, working non stop and constantly being pushed by his chain of command has adverse side effects that could trigger abnormal actions from an individual that under normal circumstances probably wouldn't occur?
If so, then yes I agree.
However if you meant to state that american soldiers are garbage and try to exploit, abuse, and outright ignore foreign laws and policy because they have little to no repercussions then I feel you are sadly misinformed.
An Army Private is hardly a professional in his chosen career field. He is an apprentice at best. Young and stupid just like anyone at that age.
I've always wondered why if the Koreans and Japanese hate us so much then why are most military spouses Korean or Japanese? Sometimes it's for the money, or a ticket out of the country. Sounds stupid, but a guarantee you it's truth. Any girl can claim rape even if it was consensual. I've seen it happen multiple times in my career, even stateside. Not saying that's the case here, but certainly it shouldn't be overlooked as plausible.
While I do agree we have to many bases around the world, and while many will be closing their doors soon, don't expect the presence in Korea or Japan to go away. They are fighter bases for a reason. We don't have that many troops and weapons there to flex the American super power. The military is about saving money just like any other business, and while a lot of spending may seem irresponsible and excessive, a lot of it is not as well. A lot of living situations for military members is sub par, especially when it comes to the Army in comparison. You don't see a lot of the spending cuts we do, because you aren't directly effected by them.
Sorry for the rant, but unless you have served it's really irritating when someone bashes any military service and talks about how they know it all and how easily it could be changed for the better. This situation certainly should not be about the military presence or the actions of the smallest margin of its people. Simply those involved.
Japanese hate Americans because they lost a war and were taught, during the war, that Americans were uncultured mongrels that don't deserve much to live. Koreans hate Americans because Theodore Roosevelt got the Nobel Peace Prize for creating the Japanese occupation of Korea. An occupation that destroyed more than 95% of the trees in Korea. An occupation that changed the language to the roots. An occupation that raped and killed and forcibly enlisted millions. An occupation that taught Koreans that the entire world can tell you to fucking die and not give one fucking shit. Thank you for your service to our country, may you live happily and serve honorably. Though, your ignorance of the hatred thrust upon you is not something that is to be forgiven. Blindly wondering WHY someone hates you does nothing to alleviate the hate that glares down on you. Oh, and Koreans think they're the only cultured people on Earth. Nationalism is super huge, for a reason. I'm ethnically Korean but Nationally American. Good thing you are partly American then, where nationalism isnt an issue whatsoever! It looks like you're being sarcastic, but in case you are not, nationalism and jingoism is overwhelming here, probably more than any other country in the world, and that's even in the state of California, which I'd bet is a lot better than most of the country in this regard (Texas was quite the "culture shock", I'll say that). To be honest, Shatter's last paragraph was a bit confusing. He lives in the US, but seems oblivious to the ridiculous amount of nationalism in the US that he would place Korea as the epitome of nationalism. Perhaps he lives in those East Asian communities/neighborhoods and doesn't see so much of American society proper. I know I am making an assumption, but I've known many, many dozens and dozens of people who grew up in this scenario, so it would come as no surprise.
>probably more than any other country in the world
Something tells me you have never visited East Asia.
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On November 06 2011 07:35 TheNihilist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 06:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:On November 06 2011 06:17 TunaBarrett wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On November 06 2011 06:12 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 05:42 BabyCrusher wrote:
Active duty USAF here..
While I'll start off with saying yes, it is unfortunate that these events happened and those accused should be punished to the upmost extent of which ever jurisdiction holds custody of the case. However, the hate towards the US military, ESPECIALLY from other Americans kind of worries me.
While I'm not stationed around the region in question, I have a lot of friends who currently are and have been. Army, AF, and Marines. There are bad people everywhere and them being military personnel does not change that nor does it empower them in anyway what so ever.
Someone mentioned "What's wrong with soldiers now a days?" I ask, what do you mean?
Do you mean taking a 20 year old KID and putting him on the other side of the world away from his comfort zone, family, friends, etc for X amount of years, working non stop and constantly being pushed by his chain of command has adverse side effects that could trigger abnormal actions from an individual that under normal circumstances probably wouldn't occur?
If so, then yes I agree.
However if you meant to state that american soldiers are garbage and try to exploit, abuse, and outright ignore foreign laws and policy because they have little to no repercussions then I feel you are sadly misinformed.
An Army Private is hardly a professional in his chosen career field. He is an apprentice at best. Young and stupid just like anyone at that age.
I've always wondered why if the Koreans and Japanese hate us so much then why are most military spouses Korean or Japanese? Sometimes it's for the money, or a ticket out of the country. Sounds stupid, but a guarantee you it's truth. Any girl can claim rape even if it was consensual. I've seen it happen multiple times in my career, even stateside. Not saying that's the case here, but certainly it shouldn't be overlooked as plausible.
While I do agree we have to many bases around the world, and while many will be closing their doors soon, don't expect the presence in Korea or Japan to go away. They are fighter bases for a reason. We don't have that many troops and weapons there to flex the American super power. The military is about saving money just like any other business, and while a lot of spending may seem irresponsible and excessive, a lot of it is not as well. A lot of living situations for military members is sub par, especially when it comes to the Army in comparison. You don't see a lot of the spending cuts we do, because you aren't directly effected by them.
Sorry for the rant, but unless you have served it's really irritating when someone bashes any military service and talks about how they know it all and how easily it could be changed for the better. This situation certainly should not be about the military presence or the actions of the smallest margin of its people. Simply those involved.
Japanese hate Americans because they lost a war and were taught, during the war, that Americans were uncultured mongrels that don't deserve much to live. Koreans hate Americans because Theodore Roosevelt got the Nobel Peace Prize for creating the Japanese occupation of Korea. An occupation that destroyed more than 95% of the trees in Korea. An occupation that changed the language to the roots. An occupation that raped and killed and forcibly enlisted millions. An occupation that taught Koreans that the entire world can tell you to fucking die and not give one fucking shit. Thank you for your service to our country, may you live happily and serve honorably. Though, your ignorance of the hatred thrust upon you is not something that is to be forgiven. Blindly wondering WHY someone hates you does nothing to alleviate the hate that glares down on you. Oh, and Koreans think they're the only cultured people on Earth. Nationalism is super huge, for a reason. I'm ethnically Korean but Nationally American. Good thing you are partly American then, where nationalism isnt an issue whatsoever! It looks like you're being sarcastic, but in case you are not, nationalism and jingoism is overwhelming here, probably more than any other country in the world, and that's even in the state of California, which I'd bet is a lot better than most of the country in this regard (Texas was quite the "culture shock", I'll say that). To be honest, Shatter's last paragraph was a bit confusing. He lives in the US, but seems oblivious to the ridiculous amount of nationalism in the US that he would place Korea as the epitome of nationalism. Perhaps he lives in those East Asian communities/neighborhoods and doesn't see so much of American society proper. I know I am making an assumption, but I've known many, many dozens and dozens of people who grew up in this scenario, so it would come as no surprise. >probably more than any other country in the world Something tells me you have never visited East Asia.
I guess I'll have to see it for myself, man. 
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From what I have heard it is the "worst" and most rowdy US soldiers that get sent to Korea, is there any truth in this or just something someone made up? Like there are many fights between korean men and soldiers since korean men are well trained army men as well and so, so the people are not all Kpop and Starcraft as it might seem to us.
Additionally don't foreigners in Korea have a bad reputation overall as most of the contact in Korea and (white/black) foreigners is with soldiers stationed there (also I hear Koreans are not that friendly always either often, especially older people). Again I have no clue about this but it's what I've heard from friends who have visited and lived there.
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its only 2 soldiers, out of an equivilent amount of normal civilians, there are probably more than 2 that are raping people. Unless there are many many more cases of this, i see no reason for people to be mad about this, except for of course the fact that there are 2 rapists.
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On November 06 2011 09:42 stroggos wrote:
i see no reason for people to be mad about this, except for of course the fact that there are 2 rapists.
Uhh...that exactly the reason for people to be furious about this.
You're saying "oh, no I don't eat fast food, well except for of course KFC".
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On November 06 2011 06:12 ShatterZer0 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 05:42 BabyCrusher wrote:
Active duty USAF here..
While I'll start off with saying yes, it is unfortunate that these events happened and those accused should be punished to the upmost extent of which ever jurisdiction holds custody of the case. However, the hate towards the US military, ESPECIALLY from other Americans kind of worries me.
While I'm not stationed around the region in question, I have a lot of friends who currently are and have been. Army, AF, and Marines. There are bad people everywhere and them being military personnel does not change that nor does it empower them in anyway what so ever.
Someone mentioned "What's wrong with soldiers now a days?" I ask, what do you mean?
Do you mean taking a 20 year old KID and putting him on the other side of the world away from his comfort zone, family, friends, etc for X amount of years, working non stop and constantly being pushed by his chain of command has adverse side effects that could trigger abnormal actions from an individual that under normal circumstances probably wouldn't occur?
If so, then yes I agree.
However if you meant to state that american soldiers are garbage and try to exploit, abuse, and outright ignore foreign laws and policy because they have little to no repercussions then I feel you are sadly misinformed.
An Army Private is hardly a professional in his chosen career field. He is an apprentice at best. Young and stupid just like anyone at that age.
I've always wondered why if the Koreans and Japanese hate us so much then why are most military spouses Korean or Japanese? Sometimes it's for the money, or a ticket out of the country. Sounds stupid, but a guarantee you it's truth. Any girl can claim rape even if it was consensual. I've seen it happen multiple times in my career, even stateside. Not saying that's the case here, but certainly it shouldn't be overlooked as plausible.
While I do agree we have to many bases around the world, and while many will be closing their doors soon, don't expect the presence in Korea or Japan to go away. They are fighter bases for a reason. We don't have that many troops and weapons there to flex the American super power. The military is about saving money just like any other business, and while a lot of spending may seem irresponsible and excessive, a lot of it is not as well. A lot of living situations for military members is sub par, especially when it comes to the Army in comparison. You don't see a lot of the spending cuts we do, because you aren't directly effected by them.
Sorry for the rant, but unless you have served it's really irritating when someone bashes any military service and talks about how they know it all and how easily it could be changed for the better. This situation certainly should not be about the military presence or the actions of the smallest margin of its people. Simply those involved.
Japanese hate Americans because they lost a war and were taught, during the war, that Americans were uncultured mongrels that don't deserve much to live. Koreans hate Americans because Theodore Roosevelt got the Nobel Peace Prize for creating the Japanese occupation of Korea. An occupation that destroyed more than 95% of the trees in Korea. An occupation that changed the language to the roots. An occupation that raped and killed and forcibly enlisted millions. An occupation that taught Koreans that the entire world can tell you to fucking die and not give one fucking shit. Thank you for your service to our country, may you live happily and serve honorably. Though, your ignorance of the hatred thrust upon you is not something that is to be forgiven. Blindly wondering WHY someone hates you does nothing to alleviate the hate that glares down on you. Oh, and Koreans think they're the only cultured people on Earth. Nationalism is super huge, for a reason. I'm ethnically Korean but Nationally American.
The problem with South Korea today is that the hard leftist National Teachers' Union in Korea teaches a radicalized leftist version of history to students, which is why so many younger koreans hate the US (for all the wrong reasons). If you are referring to the Taft-Katsura memorandum and think that it was a "treaty" where the US allowed Japan to colonize Korea, you are wrong. There never was an agreement between the two people, if you bother to even read into the subject. More importantly, for anti-American koreans to blame america for something that happened 100 years ago is like poland demanding 100 billion euros from france for not helping them when germany invaded poland in WWII.
One thing that I want to ask other koreans is, why do koreans, especially the anti-American, leftist, socialist koreans to blame everyone else for the bad things that happened in our country? The CORE reason why Korea got fucked by japan is because KOREA had terrible leadership, corrupt society, and total lack of interest of what was happening around the world at that time. If korea had pursued its own "meiji restoration" and saw the importance of modernization, do you think japan could have just walked into korea like they did in 1905? Korea's colonization in 1910 is 90% KOREANS' fault. You can pin the blame on Japan (I certainly do, and they aren't even sorry for what they did) for the horrible stuff they did to Korea, but Korea is the one that invited colonization during a time of expansionism.
When you start blaming only the faults of others and not your own, your denial of your own problems is just going to cause you to repeat history again.
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On November 06 2011 06:39 R3demption wrote:
Sad to hear but honestly those soldiers obviously weren't ordered to rape those girls and they obviously failed to uphold the duty of a US soldier so it shouldn't affect US-Korean government relations. Unfortunately it will because people will blame the US for 2 dumb asses that shouldn't be in the military.
I hope for the victims in all this and that they can recover from the trauma.
This Quote is pretty much perfect. If there was a way to win a thread, this quote would do it.
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there are 28,500 troops in korea ?
wtf usa ???
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On November 06 2011 06:29 sc14s wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 06:27 Vindicare605 wrote:
American Soldiers should be subject to the local justice system in countries like Korea and Japan that have well established and fair justice systems for any form of criminal case.
This at the very least helps to improve relations with the locals because in my opinion what pisses them off the most is this feeling that US soldiers can do whatever the hell they want and get away with it scott free. If they were subject to trial in a Korean court rather than just an internal military investigation it would improve the public's feelings about it. believe it or not military justice can be pretty harsh, compared to the form of justice they would get in a civilian court (being U.S citizens)
It isn't about what sort of punishment they ACTUALLY receive, it's about demonstrating to the people of Korea our good will. If our soldiers violate their laws and they can prove it they should be allowed to prosecute them. It helps make the US look more like an ally and less like an occupation force when our GIs are sent to their criminal justice system for criminal misconduct.
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On November 06 2011 06:47 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 06:19 sc14s wrote:On November 06 2011 05:53 MountainDewJunkie wrote:On November 06 2011 05:42 BabyCrusher wrote:
Active duty USAF here..
While I'll start off with saying yes, it is unfortunate that these events happened and those accused should be punished to the upmost extent of which ever jurisdiction holds custody of the case. However, the hate towards the US military, ESPECIALLY from other Americans kind of worries me.
While I'm not stationed around the region in question, I have a lot of friends who currently are and have been. Army, AF, and Marines. There are bad people everywhere and them being military personnel does not change that nor does it empower them in anyway what so ever.
Someone mentioned "What's wrong with soldiers now a days?" I ask, what do you mean?
Do you mean taking a 20 year old KID and putting him on the other side of the world away from his comfort zone, family, friends, etc for X amount of years, working non stop and constantly being pushed by his chain of command has adverse side effects that could trigger abnormal actions from an individual that under normal circumstances probably wouldn't occur?
If so, then yes I agree.
However if you meant to state that american soldiers are garbage and try to exploit, abuse, and outright ignore foreign laws and policy because they have little to no repercussions then I feel you are sadly misinformed.
An Army Private is hardly a professional in his chosen career field. He is an apprentice at best. Young and stupid just like anyone at that age.
Apologists runnin' wild all up in this bitch. So, soldiers who rape are just young, stupid, confused kids. Awesome. Who needs accountability? Looks like rapists are just misunderstood people! Your frequent references to age and rank disturb me. Exactly how old does someone have to be, or how "professional" does somehow have to be, before we can condemn them as rapists? 21 years old? 22? Ranked as Sergeants or higher? Fucking bullshit, man. wow, just wow. hes not stating that its okay, hes saying that (as its known) pressure changes people and what do you think its like for people in the military? plush, no pressure right? I don't think you really have any idea of what really happened and i also dont think its okay for any rape to ever occur.. but really you just come off as an asshole By your logic there is a threshold pressure by which I should commit whatever crime I am capable of. But I tell you that there is no such pressure that would drive me to rape a girl. Circumstances don't make people commit crimes... They may provide the perfect setting, but in the end its still a persons decision to commit a crime. Therefore people should be judged based on their decisions.
There is certainly a threshold for rape and other crimes. The only difference between people is where it is, what it takes for us to commit, for instance, rape. For most of us, something like a war situation and some peer pressure is more than enough. I doubt you are any different because you just like to play tough and righteous on the internet, but I don't really know. Just because circumstances "make" people commit crimes doesn't mean we can't judge them for it, either.
On November 06 2011 06:42 R3demption wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 21:09 Psychobabas wrote:
In the USA alone, there is a rape every 2 minutes. Yet, we never hear about these ~700 women every day...
Dont get me wrong, rape is of course awful but I find it wrong how it has seen the public eye only because it was committed by an American soldier. Like it's more important because of the rapist's identify not the actual crime itself. A sad state of affairs for all the victims. Exactly how I feel. Divorces are happening all over the world yet somehow we only hear about Kim Kardashian's. The people involved and the shit storm it causes is definitely what people are drawn to and not just the nature of the crime.
You wanna hear about every divorce that is happening or what?
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On November 06 2011 19:57 DeadBull wrote:
there are 28,500 troops in korea ?
wtf usa ???
To help protect south korea in the case of an invasion by North Korea. So the US can help maintain border relations and protect trade between the two countries. Samsung, LG, and many other Korean companies are very profitable here. The troops act as a deterrent to potential North Korean actions.
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the Korean war is still ongoing... am i correct in this?
I was under the impression, don't know where from, that there had never been a ceasefire.
Thoughts to the 2 girls and their families, and ofc to the soldiers if it turns out they are innocent, otherwise may they rot in hell.
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On November 06 2011 19:57 DeadBull wrote:
there are 28,500 troops in korea ?
wtf usa ???
In Germany there are 52000 US troops at the moment. Those 28500 troops in Korea do not have to be all combat units for a potential attack of NK. It makes sense to have facilities like air bases, harbors, hospitals, etc. around the world, and for security reasons, it cannot all be run by civilians.
For an idea of how much people you need to keep such facilities running, you can perhaps compare the tasks to commercial stuff. The Wikipedia entry about the (civilian) airport in Frankfurt says one airplane produces 300 jobs in the area, and overall, there are 75000 jobs tied to the airport in Frankfurt.
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