Occupy Wall Street - Page 80

On October 16 2011 17:24 Grumbels wrote:
Here's a good reason for protesting.

On October 17 2011 05:56 Newbiesk wrote:
Protests don't accomplish anything. Honestly the hippies in NY are just doing outside what they normally do inside their houses. Sit around and not look for a job.

On October 17 2011 05:29 Macabre wrote:
60,000 in the streets of Madrid yesterday for 15th October.. Occupy Everywhere.

On October 17 2011 06:09 Expurgate wrote:


Somebody hasn't been paying attention.

On October 17 2011 06:15 Macabre wrote:


Haha if you went to OWS you'd leave embarrassed and ashamed. There are no hippies there.

On October 17 2011 05:29 Macabre wrote:
60,000 in the streets of Madrid yesterday for 15th October.. Occupy Everywhere.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjUIEAZr4Yo&feature=player_embedded#!

unfortunately it seems like that ground is very very stable, its so depressing, worst part of it is Jews arent even the only semitic people but it gets used exclusively for them, just another thing they managed to hijack (so getting banned for this one.)

On October 17 2011 06:34 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

Spaniards mean serious business.


The term Semitic as used properly actually has nothing to do with Judaism or any religion. It's actually an ethnological and linguistic term, ie. native peoples who speak Semitic languages. Meaning that nearly all Semites are Arabs. Further meaning that going by the proper definition of the word, anti-Semitism is quite rampant in the US, for example.
Most Hebrew speakers at that originate from Poland/USSR/Germany (within the past century) and other places NOT in the Semitic-speaking Mideast, so I'm not sure if they can be even called Semites in the first place.
But yes, you and the person you replied to are more correct than not. No, I doubt you would have been banned for what you said since what you said is actually quite true. You got banned for the martyring :/.

On October 17 2011 05:50 aksfjh wrote:


Europe has been going through tougher austerity measures than the U.S., so it makes sense that there would be a stronger populist backlash. However, it's kinda interesting, since they're not affected nearly as much by income inequality.

On October 17 2011 06:01 mahnini wrote:

i don't understand the point of that graph. is it really surprising that the top 10% of income earners make more than the average of the bottom 90%? it would be much less misleading to have stats for percentages in increments of 10 than to lump the entire bottom 90% together.

On October 17 2011 06:39 radiatoren wrote:


I think that generalizing "europe" is totally wrong. Actually one of the biggest problems in europe is that southern europe and Ireland, Iceland all have been doing very bad, while Sweden and to some extend benelux has done far better. Therefore the Euro-central bank has not been able to take all the possible actions to come out of the crunch.

Compared to USA. Norway and Sweden has a very good economy!

On October 17 2011 02:21 DrainX wrote:

Accusing people of being anti-semitic because they criticize Israeli foreign policy is really dishonest and silly. This is even worse. Shows how desperate the right is. When your only defense and argument is character assassination and fear mongering, you don't have much ground to stand on.

On October 17 2011 06:39 Senorcuidado wrote:


As I recall, Semites specifically are descendants of Shem, son of Isiah? I think

On October 17 2011 06:50 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

I don't recall having read that in the Tanakh. In any case, I prefer to go with how anthropologists and historians defines and categorizes things rather than ancient religious mythologies :S. In fact, Semitic cultures and languages existed looooooong before Isaiah could have possibly been around (assuming he existed). Also, I highly doubt those folks from France, Germany, USSR, Poland, etc. are 'descendants of Shem' at that. I mean, if ancient Hebrew mythologies (like all others) had any credibility, for example, we'd believe the Earth and human beings were 6,000 years old.

On October 17 2011 07:05 Senorcuidado wrote:


For sure, I wasn't disagreeing with what you said. I just remembered that the root of "semite" was the name "Shem", but Biblical accounts are often different from the scientific ones

Actually, I just looked it up and Shem was a son of Noah, and grandfather of Abraham. I was indeed mixed up. This means that Shem is an ancestor of Jews and Muslims alike. The term "semite" does refer to a range of middle-eastern ethnicities. The term "anti-semitic" was coined in 1879 referring specifically to Jews. So the modern usage has drifted far from the scientific one.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semite
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shem

Interesting stuff :D

On October 17 2011 07:14 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:

Okay, well, that makes it even more ridiculous. Everyone in the world supposedly died, and within 2 generations, in the time of Abraham, there are already some millions of people and advanced civilization just in Mesopotamia and the Levant up and running again. Very reasonable. This is why the Tanakh should be seen as an ancient religion's mythologies and stories and justifications. This is why people believe Hammurabi and his court developed their code of laws, and not the god Shams bringing it to him. Yet many people strongly believe (probably Christians more than Jews at that) the Exodus story which even Israeli Jewish archaeologists are disputing (most notably the famous Israel Finklestein) and that the god Yahweh gave a set of laws and statutes to Moses, among which are the 10 Commandments.
:S

On October 17 2011 06:43 aksfjh wrote:


I thought Iceland pulled itself out of their problems already. Anyways, I was merely commenting about the general turn of the western world against the lower income populations. I know the UK, Germany, and ALL of the southern EU members have been going through cutbacks in social spending which have been far deeper than what we're experiencing here in the states. Honestly, I'm not familiar with the Northern European nations since the news doesn't focus on countries doing good, but not great or terribly.

On October 17 2011 13:12 Danglars wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [Occupy Atlanta] +

So, how about the consensus among protestors to do everything by group decision? AKA watch the movie.

I can see this being problematic. How can they garner major supporters if a representative of them is not permitted to represent his views to the audience in a speech?

That first question is quite a general point about Occupy WallStreet's meeting organization. The more particular question would be if a notable civil rights leader wants to speak, should he be allowed to, if no consensus is reached? I mean remember back that this is rather amorphous attacks on corporations (blamed for greed / financial crisis), politicians (blamed for same, and being anti-democratic since they represent more people than just themselves), and the financial system in general (greed, money, gouging, predatory lending, etc). Can this movement survive and unite with current structure (I'm thinking not). If Obama himself complied with rules, and watch the movie here, was blocked from an agenda item to let him speak multiple times, should he be turned away?

Food for thought.