People who have money DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN YOU! lol these clowns crack me up! but quite scary at the same time.
"People who have all the money certainly didn't work for it" Yeap, Steve jobs stumbled on a Ipod Mine hidden beneath the earth!
A CEO makes over 470 times the amount of an employee of that company. Good for him! Go create your own company and do the same thing!
"$200,000 is considered an obscene amount of money and no one spends that amount on anything" what a profoundly foolish statement.
"Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
Then the one idiot contradicts herself by saying she wants a workers government so that the people that make the money run the country. Uh hello isnt that was you're protesting against now? lol
Then the one guys says kill those who dont agree with them and states he's joking. I personally dont believe he was joking but i may be wrong on that.
A CEO makes over 470 times the amount of an employee of that company. Good for him! Go create your own company and do the same thing!
CEO's in public companies are often appointed and doesn't always mean they created the company often they aren't a dam thing to do with a company inception.
CEO pay has increased exponentially at the same time profits for companies have increased in a similar fashion all while worker pay has not increased, while all at the same time money has been funneled into financial institutions rather thing institutions that produce something which often leads to investments overseas to extend profits.
People who have money DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN YOU! lol these clowns crack me up! but quite scary at the same time.
"People who have all the money certainly didn't work for it" Yeap, Steve jobs stumbled on a Ipod Mine hidden beneath the earth!
A CEO makes over 470 times the amount of an employee of that company. Good for him! Go create your own company and do the same thing!
"$200,000 is considered an obscene amount of money and no one spends that amount on anything" what a profoundly foolish statement.
"Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
Then the one idiot contradicts herself by saying she wants a workers government so that the people that make the money run the country. Uh hello isnt that was you're protesting against now? lol
Then the one guys says kill those who dont agree with them and states he's joking. I personally dont believe he was joking but i may be wrong on that.
The occupy movement is not protesting against capitalism. They are however against corrupt capitalism. There main point are that there political system has been bought and sold by huge sums of money from wall street and other special interest groups.
It's an american think-tank sponsored by capitalism that has fooled people to believe that anyone on this earth has become rich purely and solely on his or her own work.
No one is an island unto themselves, everyone is in need of others.
People who have money DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN YOU! lol these clowns crack me up! but quite scary at the same time.
"People who have all the money certainly didn't work for it" Yeap, Steve jobs stumbled on a Ipod Mine hidden beneath the earth!
A CEO makes over 470 times the amount of an employee of that company. Good for him! Go create your own company and do the same thing!
"$200,000 is considered an obscene amount of money and no one spends that amount on anything" what a profoundly foolish statement.
"Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
Then the one idiot contradicts herself by saying she wants a workers government so that the people that make the money run the country. Uh hello isnt that was you're protesting against now? lol
Then the one guys says kill those who dont agree with them and states he's joking. I personally dont believe he was joking but i may be wrong on that.
The occupy movement is not protesting against capitalism. They are however against corrupt capitalism. There main point are that there political system has been bought and sold by huge sums of money from wall street and other special interest groups.
No, you're absolutely wrong. The occupy movement people are literally protesting against capitalism, and in interviews, are fully but unknowingly supporting communism. I'm not saying this is the case for everyone down there, but a huge number of people are protesting yet they know absolutely nothing about what they're protesting against and what they're proposing themselves.
People who have money DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN YOU! lol these clowns crack me up! but quite scary at the same time.
"People who have all the money certainly didn't work for it" Yeap, Steve jobs stumbled on a Ipod Mine hidden beneath the earth!
A CEO makes over 470 times the amount of an employee of that company. Good for him! Go create your own company and do the same thing!
"$200,000 is considered an obscene amount of money and no one spends that amount on anything" what a profoundly foolish statement.
"Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
Then the one idiot contradicts herself by saying she wants a workers government so that the people that make the money run the country. Uh hello isnt that was you're protesting against now? lol
Then the one guys says kill those who dont agree with them and states he's joking. I personally dont believe he was joking but i may be wrong on that.
The occupy movement is not protesting against capitalism. They are however against corrupt capitalism. There main point are that there political system has been bought and sold by huge sums of money from wall street and other special interest groups.
Unfortunately, that seems to me like it is a small majority of the movement at most and that the movement is plagued with pro-regulation, pro-taxation, anti-greed and socialist messages. Simply by choosing to center the protest around Wall Street instead of Pennsylvania Avenue, the protestors are demonizing the buyers (of politicians) and not those who have been bought which makes no sense at all. The abolition of crony "capitalism" will have to come from Washington and the voting booth. It won't come through the criticism of those who benefit off of our insane regulations and interventions, it will have to come by getting rid of the regulation and intervention in the first place.
No, you're absolutely wrong. The occupy movement people are literally protesting against capitalism, and in interviews, are fully but unknowingly supporting communism. I'm not saying this is the case for everyone down there, but a huge number of people are protesting yet they know absolutely nothing about what they're protesting against and what they're proposing themselves.[/QUOTE]
at least they are logical enough to realize that something isn't right.
People who have money DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN YOU! lol these clowns crack me up! but quite scary at the same time.
"People who have all the money certainly didn't work for it" Yeap, Steve jobs stumbled on a Ipod Mine hidden beneath the earth!
A CEO makes over 470 times the amount of an employee of that company. Good for him! Go create your own company and do the same thing!
"$200,000 is considered an obscene amount of money and no one spends that amount on anything" what a profoundly foolish statement.
"Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
Then the one idiot contradicts herself by saying she wants a workers government so that the people that make the money run the country. Uh hello isnt that was you're protesting against now? lol
Then the one guys says kill those who dont agree with them and states he's joking. I personally dont believe he was joking but i may be wrong on that.
The occupy movement is not protesting against capitalism. They are however against corrupt capitalism. There main point are that there political system has been bought and sold by huge sums of money from wall street and other special interest groups.
Unfortunately, that seems to me like it is a small majority of the movement at most and that the movement is plagued withpro-regulation, pro-taxation, anti-greed and socialist messages. Simply by choosing to center the protest around Wall Street instead of Pennsylvania Avenue, the protestors are demonizing the buyers and not those who have been bought which makes no sense at all. The abolition of crony "capitalism" will have to come from Washington and the voting booth. It won't come through the criticism of those who benefit off of our insane regulations and interventions, it will have to come by getting rid of the regulation and intervention in the first place.
none of that is socialism the idea of regulation and taxation is a purely capitalist venture. Regulation isn't necessarily because it would be state owned and thus the state wouldn't have to demand itself to follow itself as it controls it already and thus any regulation would just be so and wouldn't need to be on books, same with taxation if the state controls the price of things and pay for workers. it doesn't need to tax to obtain revenue as it owns companies it simply takes what it needs rather then taxes after all the state doesn't tax itself that wouldn't make sense. Greed in a socialism although goes against the supporting initial ideas of a planned society is not exclusive to capitalism after all greed is simply wanting more then you need and thus is subjective to a certain extent and often the elite in pseudo socialist estates at times were corrupt and would try to use the system to profit themselves which you could point out how a common man lived vs the planners.
If anything this tells you who is uninformed, regulation and taxes and being against excess is actually part of the progressive movement in america which started with unions due to the atrocities of the guiled age. You calling it socialism/communism is a relic of bad branding due to the mccarthy era, this is no similar as guilt by association, like saying Hitler like cars and thus all cars are evil. You simply just dismiss an argument and thus make it a non argument nothing more then a shouting contest.
People who have money DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN YOU! lol these clowns crack me up! but quite scary at the same time.
"People who have all the money certainly didn't work for it" Yeap, Steve jobs stumbled on a Ipod Mine hidden beneath the earth!
A CEO makes over 470 times the amount of an employee of that company. Good for him! Go create your own company and do the same thing!
"$200,000 is considered an obscene amount of money and no one spends that amount on anything" what a profoundly foolish statement.
"Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
Then the one idiot contradicts herself by saying she wants a workers government so that the people that make the money run the country. Uh hello isnt that was you're protesting against now? lol
Then the one guys says kill those who dont agree with them and states he's joking. I personally dont believe he was joking but i may be wrong on that.
The occupy movement is not protesting against capitalism. They are however against corrupt capitalism. There main point are that there political system has been bought and sold by huge sums of money from wall street and other special interest groups.
No, you're absolutely wrong. The occupy movement people are literally protesting against capitalism, and in interviews, are fully but unknowingly supporting communism. I'm not saying this is the case for everyone down there, but a huge number of people are protesting yet they know absolutely nothing about what they're protesting against and what they're proposing themselves.
We as a species are doomed if we simply dismiss something based on what supporters think rather then the cogent arguments set forth by a few but later recanted poorly by the supporters. As then everything in democracy is a fallacy.
This again is a non argument, you're simplifying it saying oh he can't fully name all elements on the periodic table and thus cannot possibly know anything about chemistry and must be all wrong about everything to do with it and all those to whom he associates with must be exactly the same, and thus i don't have to listen to them as they are wrong.
People who have money DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN YOU! lol these clowns crack me up! but quite scary at the same time.
"People who have all the money certainly didn't work for it" Yeap, Steve jobs stumbled on a Ipod Mine hidden beneath the earth!
A CEO makes over 470 times the amount of an employee of that company. Good for him! Go create your own company and do the same thing!
"$200,000 is considered an obscene amount of money and no one spends that amount on anything" what a profoundly foolish statement.
"Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
Then the one idiot contradicts herself by saying she wants a workers government so that the people that make the money run the country. Uh hello isnt that was you're protesting against now? lol
Then the one guys says kill those who dont agree with them and states he's joking. I personally dont believe he was joking but i may be wrong on that.
The occupy movement is not protesting against capitalism. They are however against corrupt capitalism. There main point are that there political system has been bought and sold by huge sums of money from wall street and other special interest groups.
Unfortunately, that seems to me like it is a small majority of the movement at most and that the movement is plagued with pro-regulation, pro-taxation, anti-greed and socialist messages. Simply by choosing to center the protest around Wall Street instead of Pennsylvania Avenue, the protestors are demonizing the buyers and not those who have been bought which makes no sense at all. The abolition of crony "capitalism" will have to come from Washington and the voting booth. It won't come through the criticism of those who benefit off of our insane regulations and interventions, it will have to come by getting rid of the regulation and intervention in the first place.
Yeah I somewhat agree with this sentiment. This movement does have many people essentially wanting some form of socialism (among other things, i.e. legalization of marijuana, etc). I'm not saying that's good or bad, but there is a much bigger "fuck-up" MORE people should be focusing on.
On October 23 2011 17:50 Krehlmar wrote: It's an american think-tank sponsored by capitalism that has fooled people to believe that anyone on this earth has become rich purely and solely on his or her own work.
No one is an island unto themselves, everyone is in need of others.
Capitalism doesn't adress any of that.
Capitalism simply means that the people get to largely run the economy, being able to form their own companies and be entiteld to most of the profits these companies produce.
Ideas that are not capitalist are infact rather extreme changes of the status quo like communism.
Taxing business more to fund socialist programs is still capitalism. At it's core capitalism just means that the economy is largely owned and operated by the private market.
On October 23 2011 17:50 Krehlmar wrote: It's an american think-tank sponsored by capitalism that has fooled people to believe that anyone on this earth has become rich purely and solely on his or her own work.
No one is an island unto themselves, everyone is in need of others.
Capitalism doesn't adress any of that.
Capitalism simply means that the people get to largely run the economy, being able to form their own companies and be entiteld to most of the profits these companies produce.
Ideas that are not capitalist are infact rather extreme changes of the status quo like communism.
Taxing business more to fund socialist programs is still capitalism. At it's core capitalism just means that the economy is largely owned and operated by the private market.
That's not true. Capitalism means that force is banished from all legal relationships. The only true capitalism is complete, unadulterated laissez-faire capitalism. What you are referring to is a mixed market which mixes capitalism with regulation and force.
On October 23 2011 03:05 semantics wrote: Just before someone calls Tien racist imma go try to find the statics that back that up which i know exist, if i remember right it's 1 in 9 black men will spend time in prison in the US
This is the only point that matters and exactly the point I wanted to make. The fact that more blacks are locked up and that too many black children grow up without a father leaves only two points where you can stand. Either you make it about race, "blacks do this and that because that's the way they are", which makes you a racist moron or you accept the fact that there are socio-economic reasons that influence a whole lot what people do and why they do it. (This leads to the point, that not everything lies in the sphere of influence within people, and that this wild-west cowboy style everybody-for-himself is stupid. Which is the point I wanted to make.)
Thank you Tien for making it short and proving my point.
There are no "two points" where you can stand. Developmental psychologists are in unanimous agreement that behavior of people comes from both nature and nurture. Anybody that outright dismisses genetics or environment is just plain wrong because we know it's a combination of the two. It's far more ignorant to dismiss genetics from the conversation than to bring genetics into the conversation.
Yes Environment is socio-economic background. So these genetics that make people unreasonable and criminal only affect black people. Because no other ethnic group in the USA has these numbers. You have to be racist (no matter if you want to be racist yourself, the argumentation that it's only individual fault is inherently racist because it only concerns ONE ethnic group.)
On October 23 2011 05:07 Tien wrote: I wasn't even talking about genes. Absentee African American fathers simply need to start taking responsibility for the culture and environment they created. Multiple kids with multiple women is just plain unacceptable even amongst the poor.
So this individual unresponsibility ONLY affects BLACK families in the USA. This "individual unresponsibility" collectivly only affects black people in the USA. It's the own fault of all black families in the USA, that they are individually collectivly unresponsible. What a load of bullshit. To believe this you gotta really bend your mind, LSD very much?
On October 23 2011 17:19 logikly wrote: "Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
What are the starving and dying people all around the world? What are the people working in sweatshops? Ah, I forgot, it's a trade for mutual benefit.....
Only because the people who lose in capitalism aren't around to see, doesn't mean they don't exist.
People who have money DAAAAAAAAAAAAAMN YOU! lol these clowns crack me up! but quite scary at the same time.
"People who have all the money certainly didn't work for it" Yeap, Steve jobs stumbled on a Ipod Mine hidden beneath the earth!
A CEO makes over 470 times the amount of an employee of that company. Good for him! Go create your own company and do the same thing!
"$200,000 is considered an obscene amount of money and no one spends that amount on anything" what a profoundly foolish statement.
"Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
Then the one idiot contradicts herself by saying she wants a workers government so that the people that make the money run the country. Uh hello isnt that was you're protesting against now? lol
Then the one guys says kill those who dont agree with them and states he's joking. I personally dont believe he was joking but i may be wrong on that.
The occupy movement is not protesting against capitalism. They are however against corrupt capitalism. There main point are that there political system has been bought and sold by huge sums of money from wall street and other special interest groups.
Unfortunately, that seems to me like it is a small majority of the movement at most and that the movement is plagued withpro-regulation, pro-taxation, anti-greed and socialist messages. Simply by choosing to center the protest around Wall Street instead of Pennsylvania Avenue, the protestors are demonizing the buyers and not those who have been bought which makes no sense at all. The abolition of crony "capitalism" will have to come from Washington and the voting booth. It won't come through the criticism of those who benefit off of our insane regulations and interventions, it will have to come by getting rid of the regulation and intervention in the first place.
none of that is socialism the idea of regulation and taxation is a purely capitalist venture. Regulation isn't necessarily because it would be state owned and thus the state wouldn't have to demand itself to follow itself as it controls it already and thus any regulation would just be so and wouldn't need to be on books, same with taxation if the state controls the price of things and pay for workers. it doesn't need to tax to obtain revenue as it owns companies it simply takes what it needs rather then taxes after all the state doesn't tax itself that wouldn't make sense. Greed in a socialism although goes against the supporting initial ideas of a planned society is not exclusive to capitalism after all greed is simply wanting more then you need and thus is subjective to a certain extent and often the elite in pseudo socialist estates at times were corrupt and would try to use the system to profit themselves which you could point out how a common man lived vs the planners.
If anything this tells you who is uninformed, regulation and taxes and being against excess is actually part of the progressive movement in america which started with unions due to the atrocities of the guiled age. You calling it socialism/communism is a relic of bad branding due to the mccarthy era, this is no similar as guilt by association, like saying Hitler like cars and thus all cars are evil. You simply just dismiss an argument and thus make it a non argument nothing more then a shouting contest.
It seems you are saying that my criticism of anti-greed, pro-taxation and pro-regulation follows these steps. 1. These things are socialism 2. Socialism and communism are bad as we've seen through real examples 3. These things are bad I think it's hilarious that you've come to this conclusion when all I posted was that the Occupy Wall Street protests include "pro-regulation, pro-taxation, anti-greed AND socialist messages" and then I continued to criticize the choice of location for a protest against crony "capitalism". Notice the word "and". I never claimed that those things were socialist, only that the protests included those messages along with socialist messages. You've managed to terribly misunderstand me then continued on to make a convoluted post that makes no sense in response to my post. Your terrible sentence structure and grammar doesn't help.
You've stated some other false things in your post but I won't even bother. I post this, only to be clear that I don't agree with everything that I didn't respond to.
On October 23 2011 17:19 logikly wrote: "Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
What are the starving and dying people all around the world? What are the people working in sweatshops? Ah, I forgot, it's a trade for mutual benefit.....
Only because the people who lose in capitalism aren't around to see, doesn't mean they don't exist.
When on one hand you have the choice of working in a sweat shop and in the other you have crime, starvation or prostitution or at best, working in a field, I think everyone will agree that the former is a better option. Nobody loses in capitalism unless it is by their own choice because no legal relationship in a capitalist society can be forced. A child in a capitalist society can not legally be forced to work in a sweat shop. The owner of the sweat shop simply gives them another option, an option that is often times better than the alternatives.
On October 23 2011 17:19 logikly wrote: "Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
What are the starving and dying people all around the world? What are the people working in sweatshops? Ah, I forgot, it's a trade for mutual benefit.....
Only because the people who lose in capitalism aren't around to see, doesn't mean they don't exist.
When on one hand you have the choice of working in a sweat shop and in the other you have crime, starvation or prostitution or at best, working in a field, I think everyone will agree that the former is a better option. Nobody loses in capitalism unless it is by their own choice because no legal relationship in a capitalist society can be forced. A child in a capitalist society can not legally be forced to work in a sweat shop. The owner of the sweat shop simply gives them another option, an option that is often times better than the alternatives.
When will you market-fundamentalists understand that force means more than just someone standing with a gun behind you? The "choice" between starvation and slave labor is no choice. Force does not explicitly mean Violence. The choice that they live in their traditional agricultural societies was taken by them hundred years ago.
With you definition force doesn't exist, because they could always choose to kill themself, then they don't have to participate in the system. A slave on a southern farm could always run away, if he starves or dies he took the wrong choice, sucks for him.
On October 23 2011 17:50 Krehlmar wrote: It's an american think-tank sponsored by capitalism that has fooled people to believe that anyone on this earth has become rich purely and solely on his or her own work.
No one is an island unto themselves, everyone is in need of others.
Capitalism doesn't adress any of that.
Capitalism simply means that the people get to largely run the economy, being able to form their own companies and be entiteld to most of the profits these companies produce.
Ideas that are not capitalist are infact rather extreme changes of the status quo like communism.
Taxing business more to fund socialist programs is still capitalism. At it's core capitalism just means that the economy is largely owned and operated by the private market.
That's not true. Capitalism means that force is banished from all legal relationships. The only true capitalism is complete, unadulterated laissez-faire capitalism. What you are referring to is a mixed market which mixes capitalism with regulation and force.
Well in that case, capitalism has never existed and isn't supported by any large political party anywhere in the world. A mixed market is the only way to get capitalism to work. Market fundamentalism is just as bad as a completely planned economy.
On October 23 2011 17:50 Krehlmar wrote: It's an american think-tank sponsored by capitalism that has fooled people to believe that anyone on this earth has become rich purely and solely on his or her own work.
No one is an island unto themselves, everyone is in need of others.
Capitalism doesn't adress any of that.
Capitalism simply means that the people get to largely run the economy, being able to form their own companies and be entiteld to most of the profits these companies produce.
Ideas that are not capitalist are infact rather extreme changes of the status quo like communism.
Taxing business more to fund socialist programs is still capitalism. At it's core capitalism just means that the economy is largely owned and operated by the private market.
That's not true. Capitalism means that force is banished from all legal relationships. The only true capitalism is complete, unadulterated laissez-faire capitalism. What you are referring to is a mixed market which mixes capitalism with regulation and force.
Well in that case, capitalism has never existed and isn't supported by any large political party anywhere in the world. A mixed market is the only way to get capitalism to work. Market fundamentalism is just as bad as a completely planned economy.
You're correct in your first sentence. You're wrong in two ways in your second sentence. A mixed market getting capitalism to work is just an oxymoron. A mixed market and capitalism are just two fundamentally different things which are mutually exclusive. A market can not be both mixed and capitalist. The other way that you're wrong is that it isn't true that true capitalism can't work but right now, I'm not up to that debate so I'll agree to disagree here for now.
Corporate profits in the United States are at an all time high. Worker productivity is up. Yet real wages are down. Social mobility is also down at levels we haven't seen since the 1920s. Yeah, capitalism is working as intended.
On October 23 2011 17:50 Krehlmar wrote: It's an american think-tank sponsored by capitalism that has fooled people to believe that anyone on this earth has become rich purely and solely on his or her own work.
No one is an island unto themselves, everyone is in need of others.
Capitalism doesn't adress any of that.
Capitalism simply means that the people get to largely run the economy, being able to form their own companies and be entiteld to most of the profits these companies produce.
Ideas that are not capitalist are infact rather extreme changes of the status quo like communism.
Taxing business more to fund socialist programs is still capitalism. At it's core capitalism just means that the economy is largely owned and operated by the private market.
That's not true. Capitalism means that force is banished from all legal relationships. The only true capitalism is complete, unadulterated laissez-faire capitalism. What you are referring to is a mixed market which mixes capitalism with regulation and force.
Well in that case, capitalism has never existed and isn't supported by any large political party anywhere in the world. A mixed market is the only way to get capitalism to work. Market fundamentalism is just as bad as a completely planned economy.
You're correct in your first sentence. You're wrong in two ways in your second sentence. A mixed market getting capitalism to work is just an oxymoron. A mixed market and capitalism are just two fundamentally different things which are mutually exclusive. A market can not be both mixed and capitalist. The other way that you're wrong is that it isn't true that true capitalism can't work but right now, I'm not up to that debate so I'll agree to disagree here for now.
To quote myself a few pages ago
"Capitalism can't exist without some form of government anyway. You need the monopoly of violence to protect the privatization of production, and private property in general. Without it, no ones stopping Corporations of either war with each other, or that people, rebel, revolutionaries, whatever take whatever they think is due to them. You wage war until either a a corporation is powerful enough to assert hegemony and build a dictatorship or "revolutionaries" win and put the form of government in charge that they want.
Look up how territorial states came into beeing in Europe after the fall of the Roman Empire. It's the same game, just different players.
I don't even tackle the point that a libertarian society would be destroyed within years or even less because rebels and revolutionaries would spread like a wildfire because nobody sane wants to live in a capitalistic society without rules. In the end it's aiding the communists you hate so much, why do you think the European welfare states ever came into being? Because people were asking nicely, and the people in power felt generous?"
On October 23 2011 17:19 logikly wrote: "Capitalism is based on slavery and genocide" Another profoundly foolish statement
What are the starving and dying people all around the world? What are the people working in sweatshops? Ah, I forgot, it's a trade for mutual benefit.....
Only because the people who lose in capitalism aren't around to see, doesn't mean they don't exist.
When on one hand you have the choice of working in a sweat shop and in the other you have crime, starvation or prostitution or at best, working in a field, I think everyone will agree that the former is a better option. Nobody loses in capitalism unless it is by their own choice because no legal relationship in a capitalist society can be forced. A child in a capitalist society can not legally be forced to work in a sweat shop. The owner of the sweat shop simply gives them another option, an option that is often times better than the alternatives.
When will you market-fundamentalists understand that force means more than just someone standing with a gun behind you? The "choice" between starvation and slave labor is no choice. Force does not explicitly mean Violence. The choice that they live in their traditional agricultural societies was taken by them hundred years ago.
With you definition force doesn't exist, because they could always choose to kill themself, then they don't have to participate in the system. A slave on a southern farm could always run away, if he starves or dies he took the wrong choice, sucks for him.
Actually it is a choice. It's not slave labor because it is a choice. The employer could always withdraw that choice but that would be to the benefit of no one. Imagine these areas without these sweat shops. Would that make them better? Adding the sweat shop is simply adding a choice to these kids lives and it's a choice they take because it is better than all alternatives. What are your alternative for these kids? No, just because you have the option to kill yourself does not mean force does not exist. Holding a gun to someone's head and telling them that they can kill themselves, get shot or work is still using force. You're just forcing three options on them instead of just two. You're still forcing choices away from them. Also you could force someone into a situation in which it is impossible for them to kill themselves. Clearly, force does exist by my definition.
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