EPTI don't talk, the politicians do, of whom, we don't have say in what they do..most normal citizens are just brainwashed via BBC/Sky telling lies/bias view on war etc.
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Ryfje
United Kingdom23 Posts
I don't talk, the politicians do, of whom, we don't have say in what they do..most normal citizens are just brainwashed via BBC/Sky telling lies/bias view on war etc. | ||
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brain_
United States812 Posts
On September 10 2011 05:01 Gorsameth wrote: My thought are this is just another haux to make people think they draconic measures taken against them and there liberties are worth the price. Word... All the terrorist boogeyman rhetoric and hype is a ploy to make us give up our liberties for the illusion of security. | ||
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Ryfje
United Kingdom23 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:40 RaFeStaR wrote: Why is it that whenever anything controversial is said regarding america(ns) certain people have to poke a stick? It's almost as if some of you condone terrorists killing innocent civilians. We do not provoke, we retaliate with force, and being the big jerks that we are, after we make you pay for your horrible actions, we rebuild your country and make it 20x better than it was before. I hope your joking, dropping depleted uranium bombs on countries (iraq, afghanistan) isn't rebuilding it, It's punishing it for not being America's bitch, those countries are like tenfold worse than they were before foreign invasion. Get a history lesson and check out Obama Nation part 2, stop listening to Glenn Beck on FOX News, fml. User was warned for this post | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
What sounds much more likely to me is that the government is dependent on the media, which makes the above impossible unless the media wants to inspire the fear. The media is just selling a story they know will sell. Proft-based. Simple as that imo. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On September 10 2011 08:15 Roe wrote: Who's apologizing? Saddam's Iraq committed genocide against namely the Kurds and Shia Muslims using bio and chemical weapons. I know you picked the convenient date of 1991, because that is when Desert Strike 1 ended and the UN coalition restored Kuwait to its original borders.(not to mention Saddam, as he was retreating, set hundreds of Kuwait oil wells on fire, causing a disastrous loss of economy for Kuwait). But do you care about the millions of his own people that he killed? Or are they just made up by the media? You can't, with a reasoned investigation of Iraq and Hussein, say that it was a stable, orderly, and good place. There are tons of reasons I haven't even included. I picked 1991 because that's when the sanctions on literally everything started, for the stated reason of cleaning up the chemical weapons that were given from the US govt. at that. The problem is the Iraqis complied immediately, so why did they remain, and for 12 years? I can only imagine that the scale of sanctions on say Iran is negligible in comparison is that revival of Russia in the UN and the rise of China. When the USSR was in the process of collapse in 89-91, it allowed the US to gain quite an unprecedented foothold in world affairs. Iran still enjoys robust economic and infrastructural growth despite the sanctions, to say the very least. He killed millions of people? Do you have anything at all to substantiate that? The figure of Kurdish deaths is about a tenth of a million, and mind you, that figure came from the Kurds, so it's not exactly reliable. Shi'a deaths have no set figure, but quite lower than even that figure. The ones killed though were perpetrators as described in the next paragraph, or unfortunate collateral. The issue is that during the Iran-Iraq War, Kurdish partisans and Iraqi Shia' religious fundamentalists supporting Iran in the hope of establishing an Islamist state took up arms and fought against Iraq and the Iraqi military (the Kurds were also sneaking Iranian soldiers into the country, as if not enough treason was already being committed). I don't mean to sound harsh, but when people are attacking your citizens and your military, I don't think the response is to high-five them. That's just my opinion, but I can look at my own US history and I think the response taken by the Iraqis was a lot more humane than Uncle Sam exterminating the native peoples of this country's current territory because he wanted more land (see Manifest Destiny and policies regarding the American Indians). We can talk all day about what the best response would be, but if the US bordered China by land, half of the American population was Chinese, some of whom were hardcore Chinese hypernationalists, the US and China went to war, and those Chinese-American nationalists were attacking other Americans and the US military, I highly doubt the US govt. wouldn't retaliate. In fact, I'm quite certain they would make Operation Rolling Thunder looks like child's play. Basically, you're trying to claim that because the most dire years of war were not stable for a country fighting with a neighboring country, it was never stable and ordered. That's an extremely illogical comment. That's like saying because Poland was conquered in WW2 and was one of the main areas of fighting between USSR and Germany, Poland never, ever was stable. Quite ridiculous to say such a thing. | ||
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Release
United States4397 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On September 10 2011 08:32 Ryfje wrote: I don't talk, the politicians do, of whom, we don't have say in what they do..most normal citizens are just brainwashed via BBC/Sky telling lies/bias view on war etc. And your answer to that is blaming people for stuff that happened 100 to 200 years ago? | ||
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Ryfje
United Kingdom23 Posts
On September 10 2011 08:49 hypercube wrote: And your answer to that is blaming people for stuff that happened 100 to 200 years ago? Wait, your referring to slavery/us controlling the US? Either way, how can I respond to something i have no control in? We no longer have colonization, atleast nowhere near on the scale the US has (NATO/UN controls basically everything). | ||
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Steelavocado
United States2123 Posts
On September 10 2011 07:46 zalz wrote: It's pathetic how many people have crawled out of their dark corners to begin mastrubating to this horrible event. Ooh yeah baby, you know how i like my anti-Americanism, drenched in blood. It only takes a few bad seeds to ruin any discussion. Just take a look at the Libya thread. Maybe 3-4 idiots that turned the entire topic to shit. Isn't gonna take long before we get all those pro-science youtube clips about how if you enlarge the pictures you can see Bush himself setting the towers on fire. Ooh yeah and im the crazy one because i trust TEH MEDIA. It's much better to build a reality based on nothing but your own speculation and that thing your friend said when you were high. Yeah we get it, you hate America, you hate everything America stands for even though the clothes you wear, the internet you are using and that music you like so much are all just transported from the American culture to the rest of the world. But how about this? How about you let these 3000 people rest in piece? How about you don't make fun of their deaths because you feel the need to place yourself in the center of some world wide Illuminati conspiracy? Next week the US is gonna announce something silly and you can jump on that. Maybe even tommorow. But if you have an ounce of decency in you, leave your childish conspiracy stories out of this topic and stop making fun of 3000 dead people for little other reason then being bored. Thank you very much for this post. While your tone is a little agressive which is a little iffy on my end, it is still a great post that is 100% true. Good day all and stay healthy this weekend! | ||
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Engore
United States1916 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On September 10 2011 08:56 Ryfje wrote: Wait, your referring to slavery/us controlling the US? Either way, how can I respond to something i have no control in? We no longer have colonization, atleast nowhere near on the scale the US has (NATO/UN controls basically everything). He was talking about you criticizing the US for what they did when they "stole native land and committed genocide before that" when the UK was just as bad if not worse because they had been doing such things before America even existed. Cmon man =/ not that difficult. Read the convo again. | ||
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Chillzz
2 Posts
There is some very interesting information given out by engineers and architects regarding the collapse of the world trade center buildings. If you watch the full movie they do a full rundown of the comparison between controlled demolitions and the collapse of the world trade center buildings. User was warned for this post | ||
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Ryfje
United Kingdom23 Posts
On September 10 2011 08:59 GGTeMpLaR wrote: He was talking about you criticizing the US for what they did when they "stole native land and committed genocide before that" when the UK was just as bad if not worse because they had been doing such things before America even existed. Cmon man =/ not that difficult. Read the convo again. Ahh apologies, well American right now are effectively the terrorists themselves in far too much power, I'm just trying to get across that the average delusional american thinks they have innocent leaders, when they've commited more atrocities than Bin Laden "supposedly did". User was warned for this post | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On September 10 2011 09:02 Ryfje wrote: Ahh apologies, well American right now are effectively the terrorists themselves in far too much power, I'm just trying to get across that the average delusional american thinks they have innocent leaders, when they've commited more atrocities than Bin Laden "supposedly did". The average American I know thinks our leaders are retarded, kind of like the average person from any country would think unless they have an exceptionally beloved leader (at least if they're from the opposite party since a lot of people tend to be fanboys of one party or another). What large group of Americans have you met that you're basing this on? | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On September 10 2011 09:02 Ryfje wrote: Ahh apologies, well American right now are effectively the terrorists themselves in far too much power, I'm just trying to get across that the average delusional american thinks they have innocent leaders, when they've commited more atrocities than Bin Laden "supposedly did". Though for whatever reason the CIA stopped holding 9/11 against bin Laden years back, his crimes far surpass 9/11, mind you. Also, it is quite an obvious statement to say that that most powerful state in the world is capable of far, far more atrocity than a man and some hundreds of his pals. In addition, don't call the US terroristic as some users on this forum find that quite offensive and mods will not be happy. I see you are disillusioned with some of the self-righteousness and nationalism from the US (and I'm assuming your own nation as well), but the word "terrorist" has abnormally strong connotations in the US and its use is perceived as one of the most demeaning insults to a political, paramilitary, or social entity. Also, while I've known quite a few nationalists, I've also known plenty of people who think the govt. does bs and isn't always up to the holiest things. The problem is the latter group is sometimes prone to fall into the former when the propaganda kicks into overdrive. The terribly immune group, though, is the group that just doesn't give a shit about political crap, no matter what someone says or mentions. This, imo, is the best group, as they don't stress themselves arguing about the religious belief of whether the govt. is immaculately holy or whether it's full of shit a fair portion of the time. | ||
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hotbreakfest
United States145 Posts
On September 10 2011 09:02 Ryfje wrote: Ahh apologies, well American right now are effectively the terrorists themselves in far too much power, I'm just trying to get across that the average delusional american thinks they have innocent leaders, when they've commited more atrocities than Bin Laden "supposedly did". I'm sure you've met many Americans, especially when you live 1000s of miles across the ocean. You know that we Americans are normal people too and not some stupid hillbillies that your media keeps portraying us as.  | ||
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On September 10 2011 09:02 Ryfje wrote: Ahh apologies, well American right now are effectively the terrorists themselves in far too much power, I'm just trying to get across that the average delusional american thinks they have innocent leaders, when they've commited more atrocities than Bin Laden "supposedly did". The moment you mentionned Native Americans 99% of your audience tuned out. And the other one percent agreed with you in the first place. | ||
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xAPOCALYPSEx
1418 Posts
You can't walk into one of these threads without a million idiots being like "OH ITS THE GOVERNMENT. FUCK THE US GOVERNMENT THE MEDIA ONLY TELLS LIES" People don't trust government for the sake of not trusting the government. I'm not going to act like governments (not only US) do some stuff that isn't shady as hell, but you must be fucking insane if you think that any government would kill 3000 of their own people in order to invade a country. I'm also not saying that these threats are without a doubt real, I'd just like it better if all the conspiracy theorists would spew their own 'intelligence' and 'understanding' of the government somewhere else on topic I pray nothing will become of these threats. | ||
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Kuja
United States1759 Posts
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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