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On September 10 2011 11:00 RuthUnderwood wrote:
Deep down Americans hope that such scare tactics never cease. Having previously lived in America for 22 years, I learned that we thrive on fear. And nothing temporarily relieves fear or existential anxiety or guilt quite like a bit of wanton materialism. We have to constantly be at war, all profits aside, so that we never have a chance to relax, and look around. I think people would be even more horrified if they could see all the self-inflicted, genuine terrorist acts.
Yeah you're right I hope we have to live under threat from terrorists for ever, after all who wouldn't wish for such a glorious thing.
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It's obviousy a hoax perpetrated by TPTB. Al Qaeda is a tool used to control your mind and keep your mouth talking about it instead of the real perpetrators (banks, m.n. corps) and the financial crisis and domination. They can't have people with a clear mind, that would actually allow for reasoning!
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On September 10 2011 11:08 alexpnd wrote:
It's obviousy a hoax perpetrated by TPTB. Al Qaeda is a tool used to control your mind and keep your mouth talking about it instead of the real perpetrators (banks, m.n. corps) and the financial crisis and domination. They can't have people with a clear mind, that would actually allow for reasoning!
I think you're in the wrong thread. If you want to make a tinfoil hat thread go ahead theres a button for it. This is a different thread.
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Vatican City State733 Posts
Forgive me for not remembering exactly how old TL is (2003 ish, I just checked), but at first I thought someone had revived the original thread from that day 10 years ago. Not a chance Al Qaeda will attack on that day though, they aren't stupid. They aren't the type to do a 2 rax scv all in, they prefer the hellion harass that eventually transitions into the late game
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On September 10 2011 05:24 Drteeth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:20 FIStarcraft wrote:On September 10 2011 05:14 Drteeth wrote:
errr. Al Qaeda's are the reason there is a 9/11 in the first place, they were "heartless" enough to kill three thousand people with two well placed planes .... 3 well placed planes. And one that wasn't so well placed (For Al Qaeda- the passengers retook it and crashed it in a Pennsylvania field). If you don't believe the conspiracies ...
You'd really have to be beyond retarded to buy into the conspiracy theories.
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On September 10 2011 11:10 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 11:08 alexpnd wrote:
It's obviousy a hoax perpetrated by TPTB. Al Qaeda is a tool used to control your mind and keep your mouth talking about it instead of the real perpetrators (banks, m.n. corps) and the financial crisis and domination. They can't have people with a clear mind, that would actually allow for reasoning! I think you're in the wrong thread. If you want to make a tinfoil hat thread go ahead theres a button for it. This is a different thread.
Right so there were WMD, and we did kill 100,000 or more civilians cause of it. I think you should put your tinfoil hat on.
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On September 10 2011 11:04 H0i wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 10:58 hotbreakfest wrote:On September 10 2011 10:50 H0i wrote:On September 10 2011 10:43 oldgregg wrote:On September 10 2011 10:41 stokes17 wrote:
I hope our government can do everything within its power to stop any potential attacks... and i have faith that the government won't use the threat of an attack to infringe on our freedoms for our safety. that's already happened man, see the PATRIOT act  I think he was being sarcastic  On September 10 2011 10:46 muse5187 wrote:
Ok, we get it you hate America. It got old 10 years ago. If you disagree so much with our government why don't you change the way your EU countries follow the US like the sheep they are. Go do something about it. Maybe because, while many of us are aware of this, it's very hard to mobilize and really do something. Just like the revolution in egypt, it could have happened 5 years ago with the correct trigger for those events. And actually, many many people are very busy doing just this, but just like in your country, politicians no longer represent the people, they represent their own interests and big corporate/bank interests. Uh, there have been almost no politicians in history that have been for the people. Please don't post the big names like Nelson Mandela, because for every saint there like 100s of asswipes and 1000s of "average guys who never actually did anything". That's not really true. There have been a few, and there are some at this moment, but nearly none of those are in the coalition or are president/have an important task. But looking at the big picture, you're right. "No longer" was bad usage of words on my side. Don't you think no politicians being for the people is a problem? Why does this happen? We, as the human species, should put aside out differences and use a better system, and if we need leaders then we shouldn't ever allow them to be corrupt.
Assholes will always be assholes. There isn't much you can do, so you have to punish them before they do too much damage.
However, I do believe that most politicians who are "wet behind the ears", when entering the arena, genuinely want to help/lead people. The problem is when people start having success. They can sometimes become arrogant and the only way to stay in the game and/or get more out of it, is to do dirty backroom deals.
"Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely"
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On September 10 2011 11:19 alexpnd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 11:10 muse5187 wrote:On September 10 2011 11:08 alexpnd wrote:
It's obviousy a hoax perpetrated by TPTB. Al Qaeda is a tool used to control your mind and keep your mouth talking about it instead of the real perpetrators (banks, m.n. corps) and the financial crisis and domination. They can't have people with a clear mind, that would actually allow for reasoning! I think you're in the wrong thread. If you want to make a tinfoil hat thread go ahead theres a button for it. This is a different thread. Right so there were WMD, and we did kill 100,000 or more civilians cause of it. I think you should put your tinfoil hat on.
Good argument bro. I thought this thread was about al qaeda?
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I'm not surprised that such information is roaming around the world.
Sometimes, the achievement of a terrorist activity can be achieved through simple propaganda, and the absence of direct action. Example: an individual calling a news station that there is a bomb somewhere in a major metro area, watch chaos ensue. No actual bomb needs to actually be in place or exist.
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On September 10 2011 11:23 muse5187 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 11:19 alexpnd wrote:On September 10 2011 11:10 muse5187 wrote:On September 10 2011 11:08 alexpnd wrote:
It's obviousy a hoax perpetrated by TPTB. Al Qaeda is a tool used to control your mind and keep your mouth talking about it instead of the real perpetrators (banks, m.n. corps) and the financial crisis and domination. They can't have people with a clear mind, that would actually allow for reasoning! I think you're in the wrong thread. If you want to make a tinfoil hat thread go ahead theres a button for it. This is a different thread. Right so there were WMD, and we did kill 100,000 or more civilians cause of it. I think you should put your tinfoil hat on. Good argument bro. I thought this thread was about al qaeda?
It's about he government and the stories they tell, and who they make suffer for it. I'm not ill willing, I just require a little bit of restraint to jumping on the band wagon.
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On September 10 2011 11:12 Skullflower wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:24 Drteeth wrote:On September 10 2011 05:20 FIStarcraft wrote:On September 10 2011 05:14 Drteeth wrote:
errr. Al Qaeda's are the reason there is a 9/11 in the first place, they were "heartless" enough to kill three thousand people with two well placed planes .... 3 well placed planes. And one that wasn't so well placed (For Al Qaeda- the passengers retook it and crashed it in a Pennsylvania field). If you don't believe the conspiracies ... You'd really have to be beyond retarded to buy into the conspiracy theories.
I guess your beyond retarded, because the governments theory of 9/11 its self a conspiracy.
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Not 911 conspiracy discussion, the time were all conspiracy theorists become a expert in thermodynamics, demolition. Yet still deny all evidence experts in the actual fields have given. People still waste energy on this shit, kinda sad and worrying.
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There are three issues that i see from this thread, taking out the retards arguing about conspiracy theories, you either agree or your dont, if you try to convinve a believer, your stupid, if you try to convince a non believer, your stupid.
Act of fear rather then actual legitimate threat
One must always assume the threat is real, else what happens when it is real? I always found the story of the boy who cried wolf tragic, simply because the village felt secure enough that they believed that the calling must be a lie again as there was no way a wolf actually visited. This is much the same. If a threat occurred every year for 10 years, then on the tenth year it wasn't taken seriously, then the attack happened, it would show the height of foolishness of not reacting to any possible credible threat.
Legitimacy of threat through media
I feel that while this seems obvious, the media is ofc hyping it up for views and ratings, it's not actually. The very fact that all media groups are simultaneously covering the issue and disregarding the origin (white house declaration) means the media has done nothing but what they should in making the populace aware of possible attack.
The ACTUAL threat given and legitimacy that it could possibly occur..
This is a given, There was a previous explosive vehicle scare in Times Square that failed simply because the bomb didn't go off. This was a success for Al-Qaeda though. They were able to get the people out of the country, train them, get them back, and go through with the attack except for mechanical error. While i personally believe that as soon as the "truckload of explosives" was announced and the check points established the plan would immediately change, the actual possibility of a carbomb hitting a major center is indeed a legitimate threat.
tbh, when i heard this, my first thought was them driving into a large memorial service on 9/11 a la dukes of hazzard.
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On September 10 2011 11:27 alexpnd wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 11:23 muse5187 wrote:On September 10 2011 11:19 alexpnd wrote:On September 10 2011 11:10 muse5187 wrote:On September 10 2011 11:08 alexpnd wrote:
It's obviousy a hoax perpetrated by TPTB. Al Qaeda is a tool used to control your mind and keep your mouth talking about it instead of the real perpetrators (banks, m.n. corps) and the financial crisis and domination. They can't have people with a clear mind, that would actually allow for reasoning! I think you're in the wrong thread. If you want to make a tinfoil hat thread go ahead theres a button for it. This is a different thread. Right so there were WMD, and we did kill 100,000 or more civilians cause of it. I think you should put your tinfoil hat on. Good argument bro. I thought this thread was about al qaeda? It's about he government and the stories they tell, and who they make suffer for it. I'm not ill willing, I just require a little bit of restraint to jumping on the band wagon.
The logic that
Government lies about some things
therefore
Governmnent must be lieing about everything / subject being discussed
is the one reason that arguing with conspiracy theorists is a stupid thing to do. Occasionally you find some that will only point out specific things, but those are lost within the majority. Sad as it may be, from my personal experience 1 out of 10 conspiracy "nuts" can actually support their claim with a logical background, and only 2-3 are even willing to listen to the non anti government side of the story.
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
If there WAS going to be a terrorist attack, it wouldn't be in New York City anyway... they would attack someplace else while the police are busy elsewhere. But it is worth noting that there is no corroborated evidence of a terrorist attack
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9/11 was as cost effective as collsi vs lings now =P
Think about it: They spent maybe less than a million to train their pilots and coordinate it.
the US built a "counter" ending in 2 wars (AKA bad engagements), loss of liberties, and paying for national security (Missile Turrets). and FEAR(This topic/ Too afraid to move out) Al Queda has dealt severe indirect damage to the economy.
GG no RE
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Northern Ireland2557 Posts
On September 10 2011 13:06 Trell wrote:
9/11 was as cost effective as collsi vs lings now =P
Think about it: They spent maybe less than a million to train their pilots and coordinate it.
the US built a "counter" ending in 2 wars (AKA bad engagements), loss of liberties, and paying for national security (Missile Turrets). and FEAR(This topic/ Too afraid to move out) Al Queda has dealt severe indirect damage to the economy.
GG no RE
Yeah well... that's how terrorism works, and why nearly every government in the world is taking such massive measures to prevent it
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On September 10 2011 05:44 holy_war wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:26 Drteeth wrote:On September 10 2011 05:24 Ko1tz wrote:
There something I never understood about this terrorists, if they want to "do damage" and such, why the hell would they announce their intentions? it makes no sense, it will make the authorities be even MORE careful of a potential attack. Is there any other reason besides having people terrified (wich is already pretty bad)? The word terrorist should give it away, terrorism isn't just about killing people, it's about causing disruption, making people change habits, causing terror. The IRA in the 80's in the UK were very very good at it. One man's definition of terrorism is another man's definition of a freedom fighter. User was warned for this post
Why is this guy warned... it's actually true to some extent...
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On September 10 2011 09:17 xAPOCALYPSEx wrote:
Why does every single thread that has anything to do with politics turn into a bash war of anti-america vs pro-america?
I'd love to know this too. Libya, Egypt, hell even the UK riots thread ended up being about US vs UK gun laws. It's like TL's very own version of Godwinning; that any political thread will inevitably become anti- vs pro-america.
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On September 10 2011 14:45 RezChi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:44 holy_war wrote:On September 10 2011 05:26 Drteeth wrote:On September 10 2011 05:24 Ko1tz wrote:
There something I never understood about this terrorists, if they want to "do damage" and such, why the hell would they announce their intentions? it makes no sense, it will make the authorities be even MORE careful of a potential attack. Is there any other reason besides having people terrified (wich is already pretty bad)? The word terrorist should give it away, terrorism isn't just about killing people, it's about causing disruption, making people change habits, causing terror. The IRA in the 80's in the UK were very very good at it. One man's definition of terrorism is another man's definition of a freedom fighter. User was warned for this post Why is this guy warned... it's actually true to some extent...
It's not because the freedom fighters in my country during WW2 never started murdering dutch civillians to get rid of the Germans. For the record, muslims are the #1 victim of terrorism. Every single day there is a terrorist atack in the middle east that claims more lives.
Terrorism is entirely different. It's motivation often more fanatical and it's targets often not in any way valid targets of war.
Nobody called the resistance in Iraq terrorists. The terms are quite different.
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