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On September 11 2011 00:58 eu-gogo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 00:48 ZeGzoR wrote:On September 11 2011 00:35 Chillzz wrote:On September 10 2011 09:00 Chillzz wrote:http://www.ae911truth.org/en/evidence.htmlThere is some very interesting information given out by engineers and architects regarding the collapse of the world trade center buildings. If you watch the full movie they do a full rundown of the comparison between controlled demolitions and the collapse of the world trade center buildings. User was warned for this post Getting warned for this because it's a conspiracy theory? I guess it's just that if you don't take scientific reasoning and the UNDENIABLE PROOF presented by of architects and engineers who are devoted to debunking the myth that 2 airplanes caused the complete destruction of 3 buildings. If you don't believe in science and physics then you should just give up hope. Your like all the others in the so called "truth-movement", completly full of crap. You dont understand physics to realize that an airplane traveling in high speed sure can demolish big buildings. Also the so called experts u refer to? Some eastern european who cant even speak english. You cant denie the UNDIENIABLE PROOF presented by the fact that everybody saw 2 airplanes crash into the buildings, and that is what caused the collapse.. Heh you might be eastern european then since you can't spell either. Anyways, it doesn't matter how much who caused 9/11, the american authorities used it as an excuse for violations of every kind. Even after being unmasked by Wikileaks and.. hey, read it yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks#LeaksWhat the US did is the latest great tragedy, exacerbated by this social media that exists now, whereas before nothing would be known to the public, unfortunately the EU or rest of the world is not strong enough to take US officials to international court, but don't doubt for one minute their guilt.
1. While I agree that the US should have had better policy regarding its detention facilities, it is hardly a "great tragedy". There are probably 50-70 countries in the world where far greater affronts against human rights are perpetrated against people on a daily basis. You need to look no farther then China, Russia, or even your European neighbor Belarus.
2. The Iraq war, which we now know in retrospect was rather pointless, occurred at a time when the international consensus was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. It was unanimously justified by the UN security counsel, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_1441 . I am not saying the war was right or good, but it was not illegal by international law.
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On September 11 2011 01:27 partisan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:18 IntoTheBush wrote:
if any of u really believe this I deeply suggest you watch some of Alex Jones' documentaries... Alex Jones is a crackpot.
Alex jones is totally insane indeed, but if you look at the very core of his message you can find a little bit of truth. Of course you need to take it with a grain of salt, but nobody can deny that the police has militarized, that there are a lot of cameras, and that the government actively uses the events of 9/11 and terrorist attacks to structurally take away liberties, using the excuse of needing to do that to provide security (see: patriot act).
This video gives interesting information about how the police has become more like the military the last 15-20 years.
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On September 11 2011 01:40 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 00:58 eu-gogo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:48 ZeGzoR wrote:On September 11 2011 00:35 Chillzz wrote:On September 10 2011 09:00 Chillzz wrote:http://www.ae911truth.org/en/evidence.htmlThere is some very interesting information given out by engineers and architects regarding the collapse of the world trade center buildings. If you watch the full movie they do a full rundown of the comparison between controlled demolitions and the collapse of the world trade center buildings. User was warned for this post Getting warned for this because it's a conspiracy theory? I guess it's just that if you don't take scientific reasoning and the UNDENIABLE PROOF presented by of architects and engineers who are devoted to debunking the myth that 2 airplanes caused the complete destruction of 3 buildings. If you don't believe in science and physics then you should just give up hope. Your like all the others in the so called "truth-movement", completly full of crap. You dont understand physics to realize that an airplane traveling in high speed sure can demolish big buildings. Also the so called experts u refer to? Some eastern european who cant even speak english. You cant denie the UNDIENIABLE PROOF presented by the fact that everybody saw 2 airplanes crash into the buildings, and that is what caused the collapse.. Heh you might be eastern european then since you can't spell either. Anyways, it doesn't matter how much who caused 9/11, the american authorities used it as an excuse for violations of every kind. Even after being unmasked by Wikileaks and.. hey, read it yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks#LeaksWhat the US did is the latest great tragedy, exacerbated by this social media that exists now, whereas before nothing would be known to the public, unfortunately the EU or rest of the world is not strong enough to take US officials to international court, but don't doubt for one minute their guilt. 1. While I agree that the US should have had better policy regarding its detention facilities, it is hardly a "great tragedy". There are probably 50-70 countries in the world where far greater affronts against human rights are perpetrated against people on a daily basis. You need to look no farther then China, Russia, or even your European neighbor Belarus. 2. The Iraq war, which we now know in retrospect was rather pointless, occurred at a time when the international consensus was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. It was unanimously justified by the UN security counsel, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_1441 . I am not saying the war was right or good, but it was not illegal by international law.
Oh come on, even Colin Powell didn't believe what he was saying in the security council meeting on february 5th 2003, to a point where he called his own briefing to the UN security council 'deliberately misleading' and has stated several times that the US government didn't have any proof at all. Even the CIA disagreed with the WMD-assesment. Not to even mention that legal reviews in most European countries have since found that resolution 1441 did not actually provide a legal basis for invasion, that required another security council vote.
The war was illegal by every reasonable interpretation of international law.
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On September 11 2011 01:40 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 00:58 eu-gogo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:48 ZeGzoR wrote:On September 11 2011 00:35 Chillzz wrote:On September 10 2011 09:00 Chillzz wrote:http://www.ae911truth.org/en/evidence.htmlThere is some very interesting information given out by engineers and architects regarding the collapse of the world trade center buildings. If you watch the full movie they do a full rundown of the comparison between controlled demolitions and the collapse of the world trade center buildings. User was warned for this post Getting warned for this because it's a conspiracy theory? I guess it's just that if you don't take scientific reasoning and the UNDENIABLE PROOF presented by of architects and engineers who are devoted to debunking the myth that 2 airplanes caused the complete destruction of 3 buildings. If you don't believe in science and physics then you should just give up hope. Your like all the others in the so called "truth-movement", completly full of crap. You dont understand physics to realize that an airplane traveling in high speed sure can demolish big buildings. Also the so called experts u refer to? Some eastern european who cant even speak english. You cant denie the UNDIENIABLE PROOF presented by the fact that everybody saw 2 airplanes crash into the buildings, and that is what caused the collapse.. Heh you might be eastern european then since you can't spell either. Anyways, it doesn't matter how much who caused 9/11, the american authorities used it as an excuse for violations of every kind. Even after being unmasked by Wikileaks and.. hey, read it yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks#LeaksWhat the US did is the latest great tragedy, exacerbated by this social media that exists now, whereas before nothing would be known to the public, unfortunately the EU or rest of the world is not strong enough to take US officials to international court, but don't doubt for one minute their guilt. 1. While I agree that the US should have had better policy regarding its detention facilities, it is hardly a "great tragedy". There are probably 50-70 countries in the world where far greater affronts against human rights are perpetrated against people on a daily basis. You need to look no farther then China, Russia, or even your European neighbor Belarus. 2. The Iraq war, which we now know in retrospect was rather pointless, occurred at a time when the international consensus was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. It was unanimously justified by the UN security counsel, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_1441 . I am not saying the war was right or good, but it was not illegal by international law.
I think his point is that the US is generally compared to the rest of the West. Comparing them to China is pretty sad. As for Iraq, there was endless controversy about WMDs, where's this consensus you're getting?
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On September 10 2011 05:06 Atasu wrote:
Keep the mass public in fear, its easier to do what you want.
because having whole countries invaded and watching your families being blown up is doing what they want.
Tell me what terrorists have managed to do that they want because of their actions.
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On September 11 2011 02:04 Subversive wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 01:40 InvalidID wrote:On September 11 2011 00:58 eu-gogo wrote:On September 11 2011 00:48 ZeGzoR wrote:On September 11 2011 00:35 Chillzz wrote:On September 10 2011 09:00 Chillzz wrote:http://www.ae911truth.org/en/evidence.htmlThere is some very interesting information given out by engineers and architects regarding the collapse of the world trade center buildings. If you watch the full movie they do a full rundown of the comparison between controlled demolitions and the collapse of the world trade center buildings. User was warned for this post Getting warned for this because it's a conspiracy theory? I guess it's just that if you don't take scientific reasoning and the UNDENIABLE PROOF presented by of architects and engineers who are devoted to debunking the myth that 2 airplanes caused the complete destruction of 3 buildings. If you don't believe in science and physics then you should just give up hope. Your like all the others in the so called "truth-movement", completly full of crap. You dont understand physics to realize that an airplane traveling in high speed sure can demolish big buildings. Also the so called experts u refer to? Some eastern european who cant even speak english. You cant denie the UNDIENIABLE PROOF presented by the fact that everybody saw 2 airplanes crash into the buildings, and that is what caused the collapse.. Heh you might be eastern european then since you can't spell either. Anyways, it doesn't matter how much who caused 9/11, the american authorities used it as an excuse for violations of every kind. Even after being unmasked by Wikileaks and.. hey, read it yourself http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camphttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_warhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikileaks#LeaksWhat the US did is the latest great tragedy, exacerbated by this social media that exists now, whereas before nothing would be known to the public, unfortunately the EU or rest of the world is not strong enough to take US officials to international court, but don't doubt for one minute their guilt. 1. While I agree that the US should have had better policy regarding its detention facilities, it is hardly a "great tragedy". There are probably 50-70 countries in the world where far greater affronts against human rights are perpetrated against people on a daily basis. You need to look no farther then China, Russia, or even your European neighbor Belarus. 2. The Iraq war, which we now know in retrospect was rather pointless, occurred at a time when the international consensus was that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction. It was unanimously justified by the UN security counsel, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_1441 . I am not saying the war was right or good, but it was not illegal by international law. I think his point is that the US is generally compared to the rest of the West. Comparing them to China is pretty sad. As for Iraq, there was endless controversy about WMDs, where's this consensus you're getting?
no controversy. they never existed.
It was an illegal war, and the fact that the people who committed it aren't punished severely shows society for what it really is.
At its most base, we should be punishing all those who did it, if only on the basis of intelligent understanding that you would NOT want it to happen to you, so people who do this have to be punished to prevent other rulers from doing the same. thats how you protect yourselves as citizens. A Tale Of Two Cities, come on.
They've achieved godhood status though, being untouchable in a way despots or tyrants never have been able to in the past, because they're using huge resources in PR to misdirect and confuse. I'm willing to bet Xerxes would be outrageously jealous of some "presidents", were he alive today.
People condemn injustices not through fear of committing them but fear of suffering them, is the usual way people think personally. At the most base, its intelligent to know that you get better things for yourself putting positive things out into society, and that you get benefits if you condemn injustices as everyone else does, so that everyone need not fear having it done to them.
Thats why you punish people who commit criminal acts. thats why you as a society hate criminals. Because it makes it clear to everyone an expected level of social interaction, thus people can feel safer believing that less people will commit injustices because they don't want to suffer them either. Social contract.
When politicians get away with criminal acts without being punished as severely (or not at all) compared to ordinary citizens, its allowing more politicians to do the same things without fear.
Why do you think the citizen population of individualistic countries in olden times hung their leaders, or tortured them to death. Thats how they kept leaders in line, knowing full well the propensity for humans to do evil and injustice, because they have it in themslves and are fully aware of it.
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On September 11 2011 03:15 Truedot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:06 Atasu wrote:
Keep the mass public in fear, its easier to do what you want. because having whole countries invaded and watching your families being blown up is doing what they want. Tell me what terrorists have managed to do that they want because of their actions.
The IRA?
Come on you don't honestly believe most terrorist groups are not funded by governments around the world, the US trained and armed the Taliban.
Look, would you agree on the claim that a government would benefit from the public opinion to be in fear, to let you legislate what securities is entitled to, what amendments of the constitution it can ignore, what people from within the govmt and related actions are above public scrutiny.
People in fear are more hasty to sign off their liberties, do you agree?
And yes, terrorists have not much to gain by their actions, which is why there are not many I suppose.
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“We’re getting very close to starting the closed public beta test for Diablo III,” a Blizzard rep told VG247.
http://www.reddit.com/tb/k7q7g
i'm sorry i'm just too happyy
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On September 11 2011 03:24 eu-gogo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2011 03:15 Truedot wrote:On September 10 2011 05:06 Atasu wrote:
Keep the mass public in fear, its easier to do what you want. because having whole countries invaded and watching your families being blown up is doing what they want. Tell me what terrorists have managed to do that they want because of their actions. The IRA? Come on you don't honestly believe most terrorist groups are not funded by governments around the world, the US trained and armed the Taliban. Look, would you agree on the claim that a government would benefit from the public opinion to be in fear, to let you legislate what securities is entitled to, what amendments of the constitution it can ignore, what people from within the govmt and related actions are above public scrutiny. People in fear are more hasty to sign off their liberties, do you agree? And yes, terrorists have not much to gain by their actions, which is why there are not many I suppose.
lol no shit. read my post above. I edited it but too late.
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Well I'm glad they're taking it seriously, sometimes it's better to be safe than sorry, and sometimes it's better to be better to be safe than sorry than other times.
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On September 11 2011 03:15 Truedot wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:06 Atasu wrote:
Keep the mass public in fear, its easier to do what you want. because having whole countries invaded and watching your families being blown up is doing what they want. Tell me what terrorists have managed to do that they want because of their actions.
The statehood of Israel? Terrorists kicked out the british
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On September 10 2011 05:01 Gorsameth wrote:
My thought are this is just another haux to make people think they draconic measures taken against them and there liberties are worth the price.
pretty much it, can believe that people still think it was al quaeda that atacked the towers.
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On September 11 2011 05:26 R4TM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:01 Gorsameth wrote:
My thought are this is just another haux to make people think they draconic measures taken against them and there liberties are worth the price. pretty much it, can believe that people still think it was al quaeda that atacked the towers.
Can't believe people still think it wasn't. But conspiracy is common in the heads of nutters.
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On September 11 2011 05:26 R4TM wrote:Show nested quote +On September 10 2011 05:01 Gorsameth wrote:
My thought are this is just another haux to make people think they draconic measures taken against them and there liberties are worth the price. pretty much it, can believe that people still think it was al quaeda that atacked the towers.
Really?
Even with the big warning at the top of the thread?
Stop the country bashing, and the conspiracy theories or bans will start to be handed out.
Stop shitting on this thread.
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Wow reading the title and all the replies makes me want to not have a TV or internet at home.
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The odds that a terrorist attack of serious proportions would happen at the 10th anniversary of 9/11 are pretty low. Why should a terrorist pick the day when the entire country is especially alert?
9/11 was a horrible tragedy, but 10 years after it is time to put it into context: More than 40000 people died in car accidents in the US in the same year and more than 4500 soldiers died in Iraq on the US side alone up to now.
It certainly is reason enough to be extra prepared for future terrorist attacks but not worth giving up civil liberties or starting new wars.
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ban me if u want, but 9-11 was an inside job, and there is OVERWHELMING evidence. i may come back and provide some more links. i do not hate america or think that killing anyone is right. i believe in infinite possibilities in this universe, and therefore freedom of thought. if someone can actually tell me the entire "official story" halfway through telling it you should see at least half of the evidence.
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