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BobTheBuilder1377
Profile Joined August 2011
Somalia335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 07:29:16
December 16 2011 07:28 GMT
#3541
Junkyard Gives Up Secret Accounts of Masscre in Iraq "The documents — many marked secret — form part of the military’s internal investigation, and confirm much of what happened at Haditha, a Euphrates River town where Marines killed 24 Iraqis, including a 76-year-old man in a wheelchair, women and children, some just toddlers. "

This is the true implications of war...People need to realize these are the sorts of things that happen and we cannot continue this policy of invading countries in the name of "freedom".

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Falling
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada11439 Posts
December 16 2011 07:36 GMT
#3542
Wegandi hit's that nail on the head. I'd really like someone to bring that up in the debate's when there's another rant on how much Iran hates America. Counter with- CIA backed coup of a democratic government. Despite Newt's historian credentials, collectively they seem rather shortas to why Iran would be ambivalent to the US at best.
Moderator"In Trump We Trust," says the Golden Goat of Mars Lago. Have faith and believe! Trump moves in mysterious ways. Like the wind he blows where he pleases...
BobTheBuilder1377
Profile Joined August 2011
Somalia335 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 08:05:26
December 16 2011 08:02 GMT
#3543
We should still try to build friendship with Iran at least...maybe a little diplomacy?
ryanAnger
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States838 Posts
December 16 2011 08:02 GMT
#3544
On December 16 2011 16:03 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
These idiots are scared of Iran getting together a nuclear bomb when we have 40+ bases around it....

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If the most powerful military in the world had 40 bases surrounding my house, I'd want nukes too.
On my way...
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
December 16 2011 08:05 GMT
#3545
On December 16 2011 16:03 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
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That shit would make me angry. Knowing a wall of bunkers with siege tanks and sensor towers was surrounding my third...
I cant stop lactating
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
December 16 2011 08:10 GMT
#3546
On December 16 2011 17:05 _Darwin_ wrote:
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On December 16 2011 16:03 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
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That shit would make me angry. Knowing a wall of bunkers with siege tanks and sensor towers was surrounding my third...

You can deny them from teching up to nuke by stealing their vespene gas.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
_Darwin_
Profile Joined August 2010
United States2374 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 08:12:59
December 16 2011 08:12 GMT
#3547
On December 16 2011 17:10 julianto wrote:
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On December 16 2011 17:05 _Darwin_ wrote:
On December 16 2011 16:03 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
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That shit would make me angry. Knowing a wall of bunkers with siege tanks and sensor towers was surrounding my third...

You can deny them from teching up to nuke by stealing their vespene gas.

I would, but they killed my drone scout.

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I cant stop lactating
BobTheBuilder1377
Profile Joined August 2011
Somalia335 Posts
December 16 2011 08:13 GMT
#3548
On December 16 2011 17:10 julianto wrote:
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On December 16 2011 17:05 _Darwin_ wrote:
On December 16 2011 16:03 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
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That shit would make me angry. Knowing a wall of bunkers with siege tanks and sensor towers was surrounding my third...

You can deny them from teching up to nuke by stealing their vespene gas.

I know I shouldn't laugh but I did! xD man I'm going to hell for sure.
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
December 16 2011 08:14 GMT
#3549
Better prepare for the all-in then.
kwizach
Profile Joined June 2011
3658 Posts
December 16 2011 10:31 GMT
#3550
Nice column by Paul Krugman about Ron Paul's off-the-mark economic ideas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/opinion/gop-monetary-madness.html
"Oedipus ruined a great sex life by asking too many questions." -- Stephen Colbert
nebffa
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Australia776 Posts
December 16 2011 11:43 GMT
#3551
On December 16 2011 19:31 kwizach wrote:
Nice column by Paul Krugman about Ron Paul's off-the-mark economic ideas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/opinion/gop-monetary-madness.html


Just so everyone knows, in this article the guy plays down claims made by Peter Schiff about the economy. So that everyone knows, Peter Schiff was the main outspoken person prior to the mortgage crisis who predicted that there would be a market crash. He has consistently said since that like the housing market bubble, there is another bubble building in the treasury bond market. Though this has yet to pop, it is coming - he says. The author of this article says that the crash not happening is evidence that Peter Schiff is wrong.

However, Schiff has not said specifically when these things will happen, just general trends.

Yes, I watch Peter Schiff's videos - but only because his predictions about the economy come true. No economic adviser should be worth listening to if their predictions don't come true. This is one of the fewwwwwwwwwwwww people that has been a leader in getting it right the last couple of years. So I don't easily buy an article that goes to say Peter Schiff is wrong, along with Ron Paul
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
December 16 2011 11:58 GMT
#3552
On December 16 2011 20:43 nebffa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 19:31 kwizach wrote:
Nice column by Paul Krugman about Ron Paul's off-the-mark economic ideas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/opinion/gop-monetary-madness.html


Just so everyone knows, in this article the guy plays down claims made by Peter Schiff about the economy. So that everyone knows, Peter Schiff was the main outspoken person prior to the mortgage crisis who predicted that there would be a market crash. He has consistently said since that like the housing market bubble, there is another bubble building in the treasury bond market. Though this has yet to pop, it is coming - he says. The author of this article says that the crash not happening is evidence that Peter Schiff is wrong.

However, Schiff has not said specifically when these things will happen, just general trends.

Yes, I watch Peter Schiff's videos - but only because his predictions about the economy come true. No economic adviser should be worth listening to if their predictions don't come true. This is one of the fewwwwwwwwwwwww people that has been a leader in getting it right the last couple of years. So I don't easily buy an article that goes to say Peter Schiff is wrong, along with Ron Paul


To be fair, Krugman is completely correct about the inflation, and about the predictions about it. Inflation has not been, nor would it become an issue here. I'm not certain I agree with Keynesian economics, but in general it seems more reasonable than Austrian economics, which is pretty damn opposed to expansion policies that we needed and continue to need.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
gchan
Profile Joined October 2007
United States654 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 13:08:54
December 16 2011 13:05 GMT
#3553
I just wanted to point out that Krugman won his Nobel prize for his work on international economics, not for his work on neo-Keynesian policy. I would take anything he says with a grain of salt since he started opining for the NY Times. Most of his published articles have a clear agenda indicating his support for neo-Keynesian policy. A true economist wouldn't meddle into politics as much as Krugman has.
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
December 16 2011 13:37 GMT
#3554
On December 16 2011 20:43 nebffa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 19:31 kwizach wrote:
Nice column by Paul Krugman about Ron Paul's off-the-mark economic ideas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/opinion/gop-monetary-madness.html


Just so everyone knows, in this article the guy plays down claims made by Peter Schiff about the economy. So that everyone knows, Peter Schiff was the main outspoken person prior to the mortgage crisis who predicted that there would be a market crash. He has consistently said since that like the housing market bubble, there is another bubble building in the treasury bond market. Though this has yet to pop, it is coming - he says. The author of this article says that the crash not happening is evidence that Peter Schiff is wrong.

However, Schiff has not said specifically when these things will happen, just general trends.

Yes, I watch Peter Schiff's videos - but only because his predictions about the economy come true. No economic adviser should be worth listening to if their predictions don't come true. This is one of the fewwwwwwwwwwwww people that has been a leader in getting it right the last couple of years. So I don't easily buy an article that goes to say Peter Schiff is wrong, along with Ron Paul

Schiff spends his days spouting nonsense that we're going to have another bust, every day! He's bound to be right eventually. If I keep liquibetting on the underdog in major tournaments, I'm sure I'll get a few right. Doesn't mean I know the next up-and-comer (or anything about SC2 for that matter).
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
December 16 2011 15:43 GMT
#3555
On December 16 2011 17:12 _Darwin_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 17:10 julianto wrote:
On December 16 2011 17:05 _Darwin_ wrote:
On December 16 2011 16:03 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
[image loading]


That shit would make me angry. Knowing a wall of bunkers with siege tanks and sensor towers was surrounding my third...

You can deny them from teching up to nuke by stealing their vespene gas.

I would, but they killed my drone scout.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

well played, sir xD
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
scaban84
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1080 Posts
December 16 2011 19:03 GMT
#3556
On December 16 2011 22:37 aksfjh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 20:43 nebffa wrote:
On December 16 2011 19:31 kwizach wrote:
Nice column by Paul Krugman about Ron Paul's off-the-mark economic ideas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/16/opinion/gop-monetary-madness.html


Just so everyone knows, in this article the guy plays down claims made by Peter Schiff about the economy. So that everyone knows, Peter Schiff was the main outspoken person prior to the mortgage crisis who predicted that there would be a market crash. He has consistently said since that like the housing market bubble, there is another bubble building in the treasury bond market. Though this has yet to pop, it is coming - he says. The author of this article says that the crash not happening is evidence that Peter Schiff is wrong.

However, Schiff has not said specifically when these things will happen, just general trends.

Yes, I watch Peter Schiff's videos - but only because his predictions about the economy come true. No economic adviser should be worth listening to if their predictions don't come true. This is one of the fewwwwwwwwwwwww people that has been a leader in getting it right the last couple of years. So I don't easily buy an article that goes to say Peter Schiff is wrong, along with Ron Paul

Schiff spends his days spouting nonsense that we're going to have another bust, every day! He's bound to be right eventually. If I keep liquibetting on the underdog in major tournaments, I'm sure I'll get a few right. Doesn't mean I know the next up-and-comer (or anything about SC2 for that matter).

Lol, he called the mortage crisis a year before it happened. You call that 'non-sense'? He has explained in detail why our debt situation is unsustainable. All the Keynesians have been saying the past 4 years is that the government needs to spend more money. Well, we tried that. And it didn't create a single up-tick in employment and business investment. Yet they continue to push for stimulus. This is insanity, Krugman needs to stop.
"The curious task of economics is to demonstrate to men how little they really know about what they imagine they can design." — Friedrich von Hayek
HardlyNever
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States1258 Posts
December 16 2011 22:00 GMT
#3557
On December 16 2011 15:01 Wegandi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 13:17 HardlyNever wrote:
On December 16 2011 13:14 1Eris1 wrote:
On December 16 2011 13:07 HardlyNever wrote:
On December 16 2011 12:56 Fleebenworth wrote:
On December 16 2011 12:50 TritaN wrote:
On December 16 2011 12:41 Fleebenworth wrote:
On December 16 2011 12:40 TritaN wrote:
On December 16 2011 12:33 wei2coolman wrote:
On December 16 2011 12:26 AegonC wrote:
I'm watching the Fox News Debate and so far it looks like Ron Paul is the only sane person in the debate. Ron Paul actually understands that the reason Muslim extremists are targeting us is because we're in their country killing them and bombing them nonstop. Americans need to put themselves in the shoes of people in Afghanistan and Iraq and realize how mad they would be. Ron Paul has got my vote.

Whoa stop using logic, GOP doesn't like that.

On other note, I dunno why there's a giant shitstorm about Ron Paul's stance on Iran...


The potential problem here is that Iran is a whole other beast. We're not talking about Soviet Russia here.

One of the candidates brought up the fact that Iran values martyrdom over any other virtue, thus rendering the threat of Mutually Assured Destruction irrelevant. No other country in the history of the world has simultaneously wielded the power of nuclear weapons and had the desire to purposely and deliberately die for a cause they believe in (which in this case is problematic because that cause happens to be Jihad.)

I really hate to say it, because I agree with and support Ron Paul on so many of his stances, but the other candidates were right when they said that ignoring a nuclear Iran could be the greatest under-reaction in the history of the world.


Bolded for hilarity


Please, elaborate.


Where to start? Countries are not unitary entities but are actually composed of millions of people with diverse values and beliefs, Iranian culture is actually quite socially progressive compared to the other countries in the region (despite the caricatures you have been indoctrinated with), if the people that are now trying to scaremonger about Iran had any shred of seriousness, they wouldn't have all supported the Iraq invasion, etc. Oh and America is the only country to ever use nuclear weapons and the stockpiles of Russia, Israel, the US, and Pakistan are much more dangerous than any nukes Iran may develop in the near future.

The tension we are experiencing with Iran has much more to do with the fact that they are one of the sole powers that opposes the Israeli/American hegemony in the region and much less to do with them being evil crazy muslims that want to kill us all and hate our freedom.


I want to agree with you, I really do. But youtube just about any Ahmadinejad speech (his one at the UN is pretty good), and it is hard to NOT believe that stereotype.

That's not to say he speaks for all Iranians, but he is their elected leader.


Ahmandinejad has so little power though. It all rests in the hands of Khomennei (is it Khomennei?) and the rest of the council. They use AJ as a front to stir up drama and create attention, but I highly doubt he would ever be placed in charge of anything military related.


This is true, but that sort of even furthers the point. The people in power in Iran deliberately send a guy out into the world to spew a lot of anti-American/Western sentiment. If they didn't want that, they could definitely make him stop.

Again, whether this truly represents the "will of the people" in Iran is a different question, and frankly we've derailed this thread enough, I think.


Well, I don't know, maybe Iranians should embrace the West and Americans after-all, they've only had Western backed Coups to bring about a very repressive Regime in 1953 and ousted the democratically elected Mossadegh. Perhaps people should have a proper understanding of Middle Eastern history and especially Iranian in regard to Western actions in the region, both overt and covert. Before the US it was the British that held Imperial sway over Iran and Iran to this day still resents Britain more than America (you know the whole taking Iranian land and natural resources bit...). I wonder why Iranians have animosity towards the West...


I'm well aware of the CIA's operations in Iran in the early 50's. No where did I say Iran didn't have a reason to distrust America/the West.

Giving it a "good reason," doesn't change the action itself.
Out there, the Kid learned to fend for himself. Learned to build. Learned to break.
Treemonkeys
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2082 Posts
December 16 2011 22:12 GMT
#3558
On December 16 2011 17:05 _Darwin_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 16 2011 16:03 BobTheBuilder1377 wrote:
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That shit would make me angry. Knowing a wall of bunkers with siege tanks and sensor towers was surrounding my third...


It's their main though, and they can't exp.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
December 16 2011 22:46 GMT
#3559
WASHINGTON -- Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney told voters on the campaign trail in Iowa today that before he entered the world of politics, he never quite understood the difference between Medicare and Medicaid -- the two government-funded health care programs that serve the elderly and the poor, respectively.

"I have to admit, I didn't know all the differences between these things before I got into government," said Romney. "And then I got into it and understood that Medicaid is the health care program for the poor, by and large."

It was a throwaway line, coming in the thirty-eighth minute of a roughly 45-minute town hall affair. And Romney didn't really have to say it. He was in the midst of talking up the similarities between his plan for Medicare reform and the plan introduced yesterday by Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) and Rep. Paul Ryan (R-Wis.), and had soon meandered on to other topics.

But within minutes the admission had turned into a headache. Romney, as Talking Points Memo noted, had taken over health care companies while at the head of private equity firm Bain Capital. As Reason magazine noted, he also talked up his time as "a young consultant to a health-care company in the late 1970s" in his own book, No Apology. As a senate candidate in 1994, he spoke in detail about Medicaid policy, specifically with respect to whether federal funds could be used from it to fund abortion.


Source
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ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
December 16 2011 23:22 GMT
#3560
The responses that Paul got from the crowd and even the moderator after the Iran question just made me want to punch everyone in that room. And the moderator was pretty disrespectful to him. Huntsman had a strong showing as usual, it's a shame he doesn't get more attention.
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