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ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 17:15:21
December 10 2011 17:13 GMT
#501
On December 10 2011 08:16 ElMeanYo wrote:
There is a blog post in the Boston Phoenix today pointing out a curious mention of cold fusion by Mitt Romney in a 'talking points' interview that was done earlier this week. He seems to bring it up 'out of the blue'. See link below:

http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2011/12/08/romney-hot-for-cold-fusion.aspx

You can listen to the full audio of the interview here. The cold fusion discussion is around the 3:30 mark.



The author speculates upon a possible connection between Romney and the recent visit by Rossi to the state of Massachusetts, at the behest of Bruce Tarr, senate state minority leader. More on that story here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45557227/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/idea-cold-fusion-plant-massachusetts-explored/#.TuDV3lawVqK

Some serious discussion about LENR going on behind the scenes in Washington?

It makes sense, there are serious implications that need planning for, especially for a country as oil dependent as the US. And early adopters of a technology as revolutionary as this would have a head start in any benefits that would come of this, from lower cost structures in any sector to saving on stuff like power grids.
phil.ipp
Profile Joined May 2010
Austria1067 Posts
December 10 2011 17:19 GMT
#502
of course the oil industry shuts it down, its common logic
Rimstalker
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany734 Posts
December 10 2011 17:21 GMT
#503
today, the biggest German online news site is running a story on Mr. Rossi: http://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/technik/0,1518,801836,00.html

The whole tone of it is sceptical, but they conclude that, at least up to now, he did not scam anyone out of his or her money.
Here be Dragons
radscorpion9
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada2252 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-10 17:45:49
December 10 2011 17:40 GMT
#504
On December 11 2011 02:13 ThaZenith wrote:
There is a blog post in the Boston Phoenix today pointing out a curious mention of cold fusion by Mitt Romney in a 'talking points' interview that was done earlier this week. He seems to bring it up 'out of the blue'. See link below:

http://blog.thephoenix.com/BLOGS/talkingpolitics/archive/2011/12/08/romney-hot-for-cold-fusion.aspx

You can listen to the full audio of the interview here. The cold fusion discussion is around the 3:30 mark.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlmMtdigxLc

The author speculates upon a possible connection between Romney and the recent visit by Rossi to the state of Massachusetts, at the behest of Bruce Tarr, senate state minority leader. More on that story here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45557227/ns/technology_and_science-science/t/idea-cold-fusion-plant-massachusetts-explored/#.TuDV3lawVqK

Some serious discussion about LENR going on behind the scenes in Washington?


Assuming there is only one point that Romney discusses cold fusion (it was more at the 5:00 mark), its not really convincing that this has anything to do with Rossi. Just because there's a senate minority leader in the same state that he was governor of who happens to be a cold fusion buff doesn't really mean that he "got to" Romney.

But mainly, its because Romney's lighthearted tone throughout the whole discussion, and how he and the editors laugh about the whole idea of cold fusion. If you listen to the YouTube video posted, notice how he refers to the idea (I've tried to give a verbatim quote here, and added in reactions in parentheses):

"I believe in laboratories, looking at ways to conduct electricity with - with cold fusion if we can come up with it (Romney chuckles). It was the University of Utah that solved that, and we somehow can't get it to duplicate it (editors laugh) but uh..we uh...(Romney regains his composure)"

Just listen to it...I really doubt that he was in any way making a serious reference to Bruce Tarr's discoveries about Rossi or about Rossi himself. This seems a bit too specific and unlikely for a presidential candidate to know about anyways...he's not a scientist and probably doesn't keep up with the possible cold fusion breakthroughs and other miracle technologies that may have been created abroad.
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
December 10 2011 22:13 GMT
#505
Mmmm, you need practice quoting, you managed to get the quote as coming from me when it wasn't.
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
December 11 2011 04:28 GMT
#506
On December 11 2011 02:40 radscorpion9 wrote:
Assuming there is only one point that Romney discusses cold fusion (it was more at the 5:00 mark), its not really convincing that this has anything to do with Rossi. Just because there's a senate minority leader in the same state that he was governor of who happens to be a cold fusion buff doesn't really mean that he "got to" Romney.

But mainly, its because Romney's lighthearted tone throughout the whole discussion, and how he and the editors laugh about the whole idea of cold fusion. If you listen to the YouTube video posted, notice how he refers to the idea (I've tried to give a verbatim quote here, and added in reactions in parentheses):

"I believe in laboratories, looking at ways to conduct electricity with - with cold fusion if we can come up with it (Romney chuckles). It was the University of Utah that solved that, and we somehow can't get it to duplicate it (editors laugh) but uh..we uh...(Romney regains his composure)"

Just listen to it...I really doubt that he was in any way making a serious reference to Bruce Tarr's discoveries about Rossi or about Rossi himself. This seems a bit too specific and unlikely for a presidential candidate to know about anyways...he's not a scientist and probably doesn't keep up with the possible cold fusion breakthroughs and other miracle technologies that may have been created abroad.


Having listened to it several times now, I agree with you that there were some chuckles there that could have been interpreted as 'just joking around' kind of banter. But why even mention cold fusion in the first place? What is going on in Romney's mind that would bring up this 20 year old supposedly dead technology? It just seems... an very odd comment to make.

I think the chuckles were more about: 'OK I've been briefed on this LENR thing and it could actually be something so I'll make a comment on it in a half joking way. That way if it's real I look like a visionary and if fake I can just say I was joking.'. That's shrewd politics.
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-16 07:20:27
December 16 2011 07:15 GMT
#507
At the University of Missouri, on May 29, 2009, scientists from the US Navy's Space and Naval Warfare Systems Command (SPAWAR) lectured on twenty years of verified research involving anomalous heat and mini-explosions on deuterated metals, reported by various governmental and international research laboratories.

They conclude that these energetic observations are of nuclear origin and sow the seeds of a true green energy source.

Here's the full video of the lecture:



It’s a great video which needs to be seen widely.

Clearly SPAWAR are not crazy, corrupt or confidence tricksters. A timely reminder about the solid science behind the phenomenon.

Most of it is heavy on the physics, but for those who simply want conclusions from a credible source, watch the intro and then jump to 46.30.
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
January 12 2012 16:41 GMT
#508
NASA has come out and confirmed that LENR is real and they are working on it. Check out the video below from their technology gateway:

http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html

Here is the YouTube version:



Also they have released a report and current theory:

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/sensors/PhySen/docs/LENR_at_GRC_2011.pdf

This basically confirms what Rossi has been saying all along. If you are going to slam Rossi you now have to slam NASA as well.



“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
January 12 2012 16:47 GMT
#509
On December 11 2011 01:59 ElMeanYo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 10 2011 16:22 Speece wrote:
Why does this stupid thread keep coming back? Rannasha has already explained why this is most likely a scam. Theres so little evidence that this thing actually works that you might as well say it runs on magic.


If you don't like this thread, no one is forcing you to read it. Go rain on someone else's parade.



thats not how a forum works. if you bring your ideas to the public you dont get to tell people who ask questions to go away.
Traeon
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria366 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 16:53:10
January 12 2012 16:48 GMT
#510
On January 13 2012 01:41 ElMeanYo wrote:
This basically confirms what Rossi has been saying all along.


Not quite, but it is encouraging to see the NASa also starting to talk about "clean safe nuclear energy out of nickel, carbon and hydrogen". They're certainly taking it seriously.

Also LOL at people who got all worked up about the NASA slides on LENR calling them fake
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
January 12 2012 16:50 GMT
#511
Comes pretty close to what Rossi been saying this entire time. Looking good, thanks for the links.
Traeon
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria366 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 16:58:34
January 12 2012 16:57 GMT
#512
MIT also scheduled a lecture on cold fusion: http://student.mit.edu/iap/nc9.html

Cold Fusion 101: Introduction to Excess Power in Fleischmann-Pons Experiments
Peter Hagelstein
Mon-Fri, Jan 23-27, 30-31, 11am-12:30pm, 4-145, 1/30 class meets in 4-149

No enrollment limit, no advance sign up

Excess power production in the Fleischmann-Pons experiment; lack of confirmation in early negative experiments; theoretical problems and Huizenga's three miracles; physical chemistry of PdD; electrochemistry of PdD; loading requirements on excess power production; the nuclear ash problem and He-4 observations; approaches to theory; screening in PdD; PdD as an energetic particle detector; constraints on the alpha energy from experiment; overview of theoretical approaches; coherent energy exchange between mismatched quantum systems; coherent x-rays in the Karabut experiment and interpretation; excess power in the NiH system; Piantelli experiment; prospects for a new small scale clean nuclear energy technology.

On 1/30 and 1/31 M. Swartz will discuss results he has obtained from a variety of cold fusion experiments he has done over the years. He has observed excess power in PdD and in NiH experiments; typical energy gains in the range of 2-3 are seen, with a few experiments giving higher energy gain; he has carried out a demonstration of his experiment previously at MIT; and energy produced from cold fusion reactions has been used to drive a Stirling engine.
Contact: Peter Hagelstein, plh@mit.edu
Sponsor: Electrical Engineering and Computer Science
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 17:01:40
January 12 2012 16:57 GMT
#513
Like so many others already said; Rossi has been claiming quite allot about this and nothing that is stated in these links confirms it.The only thing these links shows is the theory behind and that it produces excess energy. Even the PDF that is supposedly to prove this is so vague, there are no measurable numbers or statistics at all, just a graph about the actual output.

Anyone who has experience how reports regarding this kind of things normally look like it should be covered with technical data and table matrices which doesn't exist. What really confuses me is that they aren't talking about the system stability, like if the output is consistent, are there are any energy fluctuations and so forth. There is nothing that actually explains the process or how the result is or anything at all.

EDIT: Ahh, the process is unstable as in the result in each experiment does not always produce excess energy, that explains allot.
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ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
January 12 2012 17:30 GMT
#514
EDIT: Ahh, the process is unstable as in the result in each experiment does not always produce excess energy, that explains allot.


Correct... the LENR effect has been reproduced many times but it is inconsistent and hard to maintain. It's only a matter of time before it is figured out.

The question is whether Rossi has done so. He claims to have the design finished and is ramping up for production as early as autumn of this year pending US certification. Rossi also claims to have had preliminary talks with Home Depot on distribution of his product within the next few years.

All this info is from his blog at:

http://www.journal-of-nuclear-physics.com/?p=510&cpage=1#comments

Summary and discussion of his blog entries can be found at various sites currently tracking the LENR phenomenon:

http://ecatnews.com/
http://www.e-catworld.com/



“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
ElMeanYo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1032 Posts
January 13 2012 02:33 GMT
#515
I'm quoting from http://www.e-catworld.com:

Andrea Rossi has made some comments regarding the revelation that NASA is involved in LENR research. Rossi was asked on his JONP site to comment on the video that NASA released discussing its LENR work. He responded:

The fact that NASA is trying to copy my work honours me. But their theory is wrong. We will beat them, as well as all the other Competitors with our E-Cats: the E-Cats will have a too low price to allow NASA or anybody else to compete with us. They are Goliath, very big and strong, we are David.

When asked if NASA’s research into LENR was a vindication of his own work Rossi replied:

This is not confirmation, nor vindication: this is copyation. But the original is much better. In any case, these are real Competitors, not clowns with a mock up, like others around.

The Clowns he is talking about is Defkalion Energy, a previous associate of his who claims to be producing their own version of the e-cat, the Hyperion.
“The only man who never makes mistakes is the man who never does anything.” ― Theodore Roosevelt
woody60707
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1863 Posts
January 13 2012 03:48 GMT
#516
This getting bumped again? So I assume some peer reviewed journal has published a paper on this that I can read? No. How odd. Why is that?
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
January 13 2012 05:15 GMT
#517
On January 13 2012 12:48 woody60707 wrote:
This getting bumped again? So I assume some peer reviewed journal has published a paper on this that I can read? No. How odd. Why is that?

Nothing has really happened; NASA has managed to create a LENR that produces heat beyond the energy induced, however the process is highly unstable and not predictable at all.

Inconsistent experiments with LENR is nothing new and has been done successfully as far back as1989 by Martin Fleischmann, which back then were on of the world's leading electrochemists along with Stanley Pons, they too managed to produce anomalous heat as well. However since the process cannot be predicted and when it works it doesn't really create that much extra energy it never was useful to anyone, like any other future LENR. Currently NASA along with other research programs continue such as Italy ENEA and US Navy SPAWAR.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Mohdoo
Profile Joined August 2007
United States15743 Posts
January 13 2012 06:12 GMT
#518
On January 13 2012 01:57 Traeon wrote:
MIT also scheduled a lecture on cold fusion: http://student.mit.edu/iap/nc9.html

Show nested quote +
Cold Fusion 101: Introduction to Excess Power in Fleischmann-Pons Experiments
Peter Hagelstein
Mon-Fri, Jan 23-27, 30-31, 11am-12:30pm, 4-145, 1/30 class meets in 4-149

No enrollment limit, no advance sign up

Excess power production in the Fleischmann-Pons experiment; lack of confirmation in early negative experiments; theoretical problems and Huizenga's three miracles; physical chemistry of PdD; electrochemistry of PdD; loading requirements on excess power production; the nuclear ash problem and He-4 observations; approaches to theory; screening in PdD; PdD as an energetic particle detector; constraints on the alpha energy from experiment; overview of theoretical approaches; coherent energy exchange between mismatched quantum systems; coherent x-rays in the Karabut experiment and interpretation; excess power in the NiH system; Piantelli experiment; prospects for a new small scale clean nuclear energy technology.

On 1/30 and 1/31 M. Swartz will discuss results he has obtained from a variety of cold fusion experiments he has done over the years. He has observed excess power in PdD and in NiH experiments; typical energy gains in the range of 2-3 are seen, with a few experiments giving higher energy gain; he has carried out a demonstration of his experiment previously at MIT; and energy produced from cold fusion reactions has been used to drive a Stirling engine.
Contact: Peter Hagelstein, plh@mit.edu
Sponsor: Electrical Engineering and Computer Science


This is actually *really* interesting. I'm excited for sure :o
intrigue
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Washington, D.C9935 Posts
January 13 2012 17:14 GMT
#519
why isn't there more media buzz about this? wouldn't this be the holy grail of investments...?
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amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
January 13 2012 17:21 GMT
#520
On January 14 2012 02:14 intrigue wrote:
why isn't there more media buzz about this? wouldn't this be the holy grail of investments...?

business competitions. Don't want upstarts to overtake them.
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