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I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine.
IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi.
Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices.
It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents.
He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology.
Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper
On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66]
Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.
http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.html
It' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal.
Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them....
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On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine. IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them....
Even now there's lots of speculation, no peer reviewed material, and no independent observers. The doubtful would be in the right EVEN IF this turns out to work because there's no reason to believe it until it's shown in full light without all these special circumstances.
Rather be sceptic to everything that's unproven and full of rumors and be proven wrong than believing stuff even though there's no real evidence.
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On January 14 2012 11:17 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine. IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... Even now there's lots of speculation, no peer reviewed material, and no independent observers. The doubtful would be in the right EVEN IF this turns out to work because there's no reason to believe it until it's shown in full light without all these special circumstances. Rather be sceptic to everything that's unproven and full of rumors and be proven wrong than believing stuff even though there's no real evidence.
One has to protect his patents.
Even NASA is trying to get in on his technology. Apparently he has already sold several units as well.
What's there not to believe. We will see in a few months whether this turns out or not. If it turns out to disappear and never be heard of again you can bet Big-Oil has assassinated or paid them off.
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On January 14 2012 11:20 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:17 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine. IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... Even now there's lots of speculation, no peer reviewed material, and no independent observers. The doubtful would be in the right EVEN IF this turns out to work because there's no reason to believe it until it's shown in full light without all these special circumstances. Rather be sceptic to everything that's unproven and full of rumors and be proven wrong than believing stuff even though there's no real evidence. One has to protect his patents. Even NASA is trying to get in on his technology. Apparently he has already sold several units as well. What's there not to believe. We will see in a few months whether this turns out or not. If it turns out to disappear and never be heard of again you can bet Big-Oil has assassinated or paid them off.
Man you don't know anything about science, do you? Being sceptical of large claims should always be the default. There's no hands on proof of this working, NASA has done research on other technology that didn't pan out before, and there's been endless amounts of similar situations where people buy unfinished products that later turn out to not work as intended.
There's reason to believe this is a revolutionary idea WHEN and IF it's released and the experiments can be reproduced by others, until then i'll just keep being sceptical. You sure seem to have a knack for conspiracies. So if this doesn't pan out it's "big oil" that killed it? Might not just be that it doesn't really work?
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On January 14 2012 11:25 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:20 XRaDiiX wrote:On January 14 2012 11:17 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine. IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... Even now there's lots of speculation, no peer reviewed material, and no independent observers. The doubtful would be in the right EVEN IF this turns out to work because there's no reason to believe it until it's shown in full light without all these special circumstances. Rather be sceptic to everything that's unproven and full of rumors and be proven wrong than believing stuff even though there's no real evidence. One has to protect his patents. Even NASA is trying to get in on his technology. Apparently he has already sold several units as well. What's there not to believe. We will see in a few months whether this turns out or not. If it turns out to disappear and never be heard of again you can bet Big-Oil has assassinated or paid them off. Man you don't know anything about science, do you? Being sceptical of large claims should always be the default. There's no hands on proof of this working, NASA has done research on other technology that didn't pan out before, and there's been endless amounts of similar situations where people buy unfinished products that later turn out to not work as intended. There's reason to believe this is a revolutionary idea WHEN and IF it's released and the experiments can be reproduced by others, until then i'll just keep being sceptical. You sure seem to have a knack for conspiracies. So if this doesn't pan out it's "big oil" that killed it? Might not just be that it doesn't really work?
Exactly, although I've gone out and said I think its a scam and that these claims are almost certainly untrue, even if I turn out to be wrong, it doesn't change the fact that on the basis of everything available, calling it a scam, or at the very least refusing to accept the claims is the correct conclusion at this point.
The alternative, assuming the claims are probably true, is a type of logic which, if replicated everywhere, would basically mean the end of the scientific method.
At an emotional level, sure, I'd love to be wrong, but rationality overwhelmingly suggests that I am not.
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On January 14 2012 11:25 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:20 XRaDiiX wrote:On January 14 2012 11:17 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine. IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... Even now there's lots of speculation, no peer reviewed material, and no independent observers. The doubtful would be in the right EVEN IF this turns out to work because there's no reason to believe it until it's shown in full light without all these special circumstances. Rather be sceptic to everything that's unproven and full of rumors and be proven wrong than believing stuff even though there's no real evidence. One has to protect his patents. Even NASA is trying to get in on his technology. Apparently he has already sold several units as well. What's there not to believe. We will see in a few months whether this turns out or not. If it turns out to disappear and never be heard of again you can bet Big-Oil has assassinated or paid them off. Man you don't know anything about science, do you? Being sceptical of large claims should always be the default. There's no hands on proof of this working, NASA has done research on other technology that didn't pan out before, and there's been endless amounts of similar situations where people buy unfinished products that later turn out to not work as intended. There's reason to believe this is a revolutionary idea WHEN and IF it's released and the experiments can be reproduced by others, until then i'll just keep being sceptical. You sure seem to have a knack for conspiracies. So if this doesn't pan out it's "big oil" that killed it? Might not just be that it doesn't really work?
I never said i was science buff but it appears NASA is interested in utilizing the same technology or researching it.
That doesn't appear to be a coincidence considering Rossi's recent Customers and sales of his energy catalyzer.
We will see in the end what happens but there's no reason to deny it works the man is just protecting his patents it's that simple.
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On January 14 2012 11:32 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:25 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 11:20 XRaDiiX wrote:On January 14 2012 11:17 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine. IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... Even now there's lots of speculation, no peer reviewed material, and no independent observers. The doubtful would be in the right EVEN IF this turns out to work because there's no reason to believe it until it's shown in full light without all these special circumstances. Rather be sceptic to everything that's unproven and full of rumors and be proven wrong than believing stuff even though there's no real evidence. One has to protect his patents. Even NASA is trying to get in on his technology. Apparently he has already sold several units as well. What's there not to believe. We will see in a few months whether this turns out or not. If it turns out to disappear and never be heard of again you can bet Big-Oil has assassinated or paid them off. Man you don't know anything about science, do you? Being sceptical of large claims should always be the default. There's no hands on proof of this working, NASA has done research on other technology that didn't pan out before, and there's been endless amounts of similar situations where people buy unfinished products that later turn out to not work as intended. There's reason to believe this is a revolutionary idea WHEN and IF it's released and the experiments can be reproduced by others, until then i'll just keep being sceptical. You sure seem to have a knack for conspiracies. So if this doesn't pan out it's "big oil" that killed it? Might not just be that it doesn't really work? I never said i was science buff but it appears NASA is interested in utilizing the same technology or researching it. That doesn't appear to be a coincidence considering Rossi's recent Customers and sales of his energy catalyzer. We will see in the end what happens but there's no reason to deny it works the man is just protecting his patents it's that simple.
There's no reason to deny it works? How can you even be this gullable?
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On January 14 2012 11:17 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine. IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... Even now there's lots of speculation, no peer reviewed material, and no independent observers. The doubtful would be in the right EVEN IF this turns out to work because there's no reason to believe it until it's shown in full light without all these special circumstances. Rather be sceptic to everything that's unproven and full of rumors and be proven wrong than believing stuff even though there's no real evidence.
That's the point that everyone aggressively denying this are missing. People aren't 'believing', they're just positively skeptical. We know there's no absolute proof, but it could be true, which is awesome.
And then you have all the negatively skeptical people. If there isn't 100% proof, then FUCK THAT and fuck anyone who could imagine such a thing could ever possibly be true. "I better tell everyone they're dumb just so they know I'm thinking that!" (yes, this could be hyperbole, calm down naysayers)
People need to learn to chill a bit, it's a possibly important new tech and it's interesting to follow. Nothing more...
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On January 14 2012 11:34 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:32 XRaDiiX wrote:On January 14 2012 11:25 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 11:20 XRaDiiX wrote:On January 14 2012 11:17 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine. IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... Even now there's lots of speculation, no peer reviewed material, and no independent observers. The doubtful would be in the right EVEN IF this turns out to work because there's no reason to believe it until it's shown in full light without all these special circumstances. Rather be sceptic to everything that's unproven and full of rumors and be proven wrong than believing stuff even though there's no real evidence. One has to protect his patents. Even NASA is trying to get in on his technology. Apparently he has already sold several units as well. What's there not to believe. We will see in a few months whether this turns out or not. If it turns out to disappear and never be heard of again you can bet Big-Oil has assassinated or paid them off. Man you don't know anything about science, do you? Being sceptical of large claims should always be the default. There's no hands on proof of this working, NASA has done research on other technology that didn't pan out before, and there's been endless amounts of similar situations where people buy unfinished products that later turn out to not work as intended. There's reason to believe this is a revolutionary idea WHEN and IF it's released and the experiments can be reproduced by others, until then i'll just keep being sceptical. You sure seem to have a knack for conspiracies. So if this doesn't pan out it's "big oil" that killed it? Might not just be that it doesn't really work? I never said i was science buff but it appears NASA is interested in utilizing the same technology or researching it. That doesn't appear to be a coincidence considering Rossi's recent Customers and sales of his energy catalyzer. We will see in the end what happens but there's no reason to deny it works the man is just protecting his patents it's that simple. There's no reason to deny it works? How can you even be this gullable?
You just said this? You are contradicting your statements.
Being sceptical of large claims should always be the default. There's no hands on proof of this working, NASA has done research on other technology that didn't pan out before, and there's been endless amounts of similar situations where people buy unfinished products that later turn out to not work as intended.
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On January 14 2012 12:01 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:34 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 11:32 XRaDiiX wrote:On January 14 2012 11:25 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 11:20 XRaDiiX wrote:On January 14 2012 11:17 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine. IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... Even now there's lots of speculation, no peer reviewed material, and no independent observers. The doubtful would be in the right EVEN IF this turns out to work because there's no reason to believe it until it's shown in full light without all these special circumstances. Rather be sceptic to everything that's unproven and full of rumors and be proven wrong than believing stuff even though there's no real evidence. One has to protect his patents. Even NASA is trying to get in on his technology. Apparently he has already sold several units as well. What's there not to believe. We will see in a few months whether this turns out or not. If it turns out to disappear and never be heard of again you can bet Big-Oil has assassinated or paid them off. Man you don't know anything about science, do you? Being sceptical of large claims should always be the default. There's no hands on proof of this working, NASA has done research on other technology that didn't pan out before, and there's been endless amounts of similar situations where people buy unfinished products that later turn out to not work as intended. There's reason to believe this is a revolutionary idea WHEN and IF it's released and the experiments can be reproduced by others, until then i'll just keep being sceptical. You sure seem to have a knack for conspiracies. So if this doesn't pan out it's "big oil" that killed it? Might not just be that it doesn't really work? I never said i was science buff but it appears NASA is interested in utilizing the same technology or researching it. That doesn't appear to be a coincidence considering Rossi's recent Customers and sales of his energy catalyzer. We will see in the end what happens but there's no reason to deny it works the man is just protecting his patents it's that simple. There's no reason to deny it works? How can you even be this gullable? You just said this? You are contradicting your statements. Show nested quote +Being sceptical of large claims should always be the default. There's no hands on proof of this working, NASA has done research on other technology that didn't pan out before, and there's been endless amounts of similar situations where people buy unfinished products that later turn out to not work as intended.
I think you might be a bit confused at the wording. He stated that in the form of a question. He is saying how can you be soo gullible to state there is no reason to deny that it works.
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On January 14 2012 11:47 ThaZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 11:17 karpo wrote:On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I found something interesting. On Wikipedia.
On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]
I believe it may be genuine. IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... Even now there's lots of speculation, no peer reviewed material, and no independent observers. The doubtful would be in the right EVEN IF this turns out to work because there's no reason to believe it until it's shown in full light without all these special circumstances. Rather be sceptic to everything that's unproven and full of rumors and be proven wrong than believing stuff even though there's no real evidence. That's the point that everyone aggressively denying this are missing. People aren't 'believing', they're just positively skeptical. We know there's no absolute proof, but it could be true, which is awesome. And then you have all the negatively skeptical people. If there isn't 100% proof, then FUCK THAT and fuck anyone who could imagine such a thing could ever possibly be true. "I better tell everyone they're dumb just so they know I'm thinking that!" (yes, this could be hyperbole, calm down naysayers) People need to learn to chill a bit, it's a possibly important new tech and it's interesting to follow. Nothing more...
So your point has boiled down to tone-trolling. Glad we cleared that up.
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On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:I found something interesting. On Wikipedia. On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]... I believe it may be genuine. ... + Show Spoiler +IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them....
I'm sorry sir, but how can you read that and say "I believe it may be genuine" When you go to a magic show, do you really believe he really pulled a rabbit from a hat? No need for an Independent check of the hat, the rabbit was in there the whole time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off NASA doesn't steal, they would with the private sector to commercialized there inventions.
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On January 14 2012 12:58 woody60707 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:I found something interesting. On Wikipedia. On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]... I believe it may be genuine. ... + Show Spoiler +IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... I'm sorry sir, but how can you read that and say "I believe it may be genuine" When you go to a magic show, do you really believe he really pulled a rabbit from a hat? No need for an Independent check of the hat, the rabbit was in there the whole time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off NASA doesn't steal, they would with the private sector to commercialized there inventions.
A cute analogy but we will see who is wrong and right in the end and there's nothing wrong with believing what he has may be genuine.
Especially considering the powers that may want to stop him from completing his device and making it available to the public if it does indeed do what he says it does.
Look at it this way do you believe the powers that control the energy sections propaganda or do you believe someone who may have possibly revolutionized the way we can gather energy.
I think we should be a little skeptical of course but it seems everyone wants to bury his work because it doesn't match with how science believes the physical world can work.
But theories are mean't to be broken.
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is there still no peer review? or non black box demonstration?
I don't see how anyone with even a cursory grasp of the scientific method can be anything but skeptical at this point. Like obviously I hope it works, but I have no reason to believe it does work. Until there is full discourse of the process, there is no way to prove that cold fusion is the only possibility.
lets get this guys patents locked up so he can show his hand already.....
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On January 14 2012 13:24 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 12:58 woody60707 wrote:On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:I found something interesting. On Wikipedia. On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]... I believe it may be genuine. ... + Show Spoiler +IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... I'm sorry sir, but how can you read that and say "I believe it may be genuine" When you go to a magic show, do you really believe he really pulled a rabbit from a hat? No need for an Independent check of the hat, the rabbit was in there the whole time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off NASA doesn't steal, they would with the private sector to commercialized there inventions. A cute analogy but we will see who is wrong and right in the end and there's nothing wrong with believing what he has may be genuine.
I think that's the problem, people want to see who is right and who is wrong now, so they don't get scammed. And of course everyone is being very critical of this, if it does what it is claimed to do, it will revolutionize power; it is a very large thing to live up to.
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On January 14 2012 13:24 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 12:58 woody60707 wrote:On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:I found something interesting. On Wikipedia. On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]... I believe it may be genuine. ... + Show Spoiler +IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... I'm sorry sir, but how can you read that and say "I believe it may be genuine" When you go to a magic show, do you really believe he really pulled a rabbit from a hat? No need for an Independent check of the hat, the rabbit was in there the whole time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off NASA doesn't steal, they would with the private sector to commercialized there inventions. A cute analogy but we will see who is wrong and right in the end and there's nothing wrong with believing what he has may be genuine. Especially considering the powers that may want to stop him from completing his device and making it available to the public if it does indeed do what he says it does. Look at it this way do you believe the powers that control the energy sections propaganda or do you believe someone who may have possibly revolutionized the way we can gather energy. I think we should be a little skeptical of course but it seems everyone wants to bury his work because it doesn't match with how science believes the physical world can work. But theories are mean't to be broken.
While you are free to believe in whatever you want, it is up to the person making outlandish claims to show the evidence that backs up said claims; evidence which is validated and repeatable. Until then, there is no reason to believe in anybody's claims of infinite energy, homeopathy, crystal healing, chakra balancing, or any other crackpot theory.
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you're crazy to release that publicly.....
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On January 14 2012 13:24 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On January 14 2012 12:58 woody60707 wrote:On January 14 2012 10:49 XRaDiiX wrote:I found something interesting. On Wikipedia. On October 28, 2011, a 1 MW plant based on the Energy Catalyzer was reported to have been tested by engineer Domenico Fioravanti for an undisclosed customer.[58] According to Fioravanti, the plant released 2,635 kWh during five and a half hours of self sustained mode, an average power of 479 kilowatts – just under half the promised power of one megawatt. The customer reportedly acquired the plant after the test. Independent observers were not allowed to watch the measurements or make their own, and the plant remained connected to a power supply during the test allegedly to supply power to the fans and the water pumps.[59][60][61] Rossi claims to have orders from customers in the US and Europe for thirteen more 1 MW units in addition to the undisclosed customer from the October 28 test. He offers these for sale for $2 million.[62] The Italian popular science magazine Focus reports that 12 additional units are to the same, undisclosed customer, and quoted Rossi: "We are building a 13 MW thermal plant, made of 13 plant such as the one you saw on October 28th: but it's a military research and I can't reveal any further detail, not the name, nor the place, nor the nationality of the customer".[63]... I believe it may be genuine. ... + Show Spoiler +IMO could be big Oil trying to stop them. Or trying to steal the patents reason being why NASA is scrambling to work with LERN and possibly co-operate with Rossi. Looks like There has already been a few buyers at the price of 2 million each of preliminary devices. It also makes sense why he's trying to get it patented and stopping anyone from stealing his patents. He's just being careful so that nobody steals the rights to his technology. Dennis M. Bushnell, Chief Scientist at NASA Langley Research Center, described LENR as a "promising" technology and praised the work of Rossi and Focardi.[7] Bushnell also said that they were starting an experiment to test the Widom-Larson theory[8], in which a Heavy electron combines with a proton, through the Weak Nuclear Force (and thus avoiding the Coulomb barrier), creating a neutrino and a neutron. The neutron can then enter a nearby nucleus, causing additional nuclear reactions. On Oct 6, 2011 the US Patent Office published an application by NASA Langley scientist Joseph Zawodny[9] for a patent "Method For Producing Heavy Electrons"[10], which quotes the Widom-Larsen theory [11] and includes "by reference in its entirety" Larsen's Patent No. 7,893,414.
With Neutron+Nickel = Copper On November 23, 2011, in the Massachusetts Statehouse, Andrea Rossi met with the minority leader of the Massachusetts Senate Bruce Tarr and representatives from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Northeastern University, and the University of Massachusetts, to explore the prospects for developing and manufacturing the device in Massachusetts, USA. According to Robert Tamarin, the Dean of Science at UML, the representatives were mostly skeptical and only examined the possibilities of manufacturing within Massachusetts in case the technology turns out to work.[65][25]
On December 2011 Rossi stated that he had passed ten thousand pre-orders for a consumer version of the Energy Catalyzer and that he was already aiming for mass-scale production of it and electricity generation with it.[66] Video of NASA trying to steal/use/patent the same technology Rossi's E-Cat is using.http://technologygateway.nasa.gov/media/CC/lenr/lenr.htmlIt' feels good to show all the doubters of this technology that this seems to be materializing and may actually be the real deal. Hopefully Big Oil doesn't stop them.... I'm sorry sir, but how can you read that and say "I believe it may be genuine" When you go to a magic show, do you really believe he really pulled a rabbit from a hat? No need for an Independent check of the hat, the rabbit was in there the whole time. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off NASA doesn't steal, they would with the private sector to commercialized there inventions. A cute analogy but we will see who is wrong and right in the end and there's nothing wrong with believing what he has may be genuine.
The difference between us is this: I won't be wrong for being skeptical of his invention. If it doesn't work, you will be wrong for believing in it when it didn't.
Skepticism isn't saying "it doesn't work." Skepticism is saying, "he hasn't proven that it works." Which is true; at this point in time, he has not proven that it does. If tomorrow he does, then the statement will still be true.
If it doesn't work however, you will have always been wrong, because your belief is that it did work when it in fact did not.
See the difference?
Especially considering the powers that may want to stop him from completing his device and making it available to the public if it does indeed do what he says it does.
Look at it this way do you believe the powers that control the energy sections propaganda or do you believe someone who may have possibly revolutionized the way we can gather energy.
This is pure conspiracy theory garbage. "The powers" are trying to stop him. Ooohhh! Fear "the powers!" Fear them!
Your mad ramblings about "the powers" do not change the fact that the man has produced virtually no independently verifiable evidence for what he claims to have done. Conspiracy theory crap doesn't change that simple fact: there is no evidence of his machine working.
Yes, I can accept that if he found a way to produce cheap energy, he would play things close to the vest. Not so much to avoid "the powers" as simply to make sure that he gets paid for cornering the global energy market and taking over Alpha Cent- the world. If it were me, I might do something similar.
But if I did, I would also be completely understanding and patient with the fact that people on the outside have no reason to accept what I've done with the virtually no independently verifiable evidence I've provided thus far. I would expect skepticism at every turn, because that's what I choose to do by keeping things hidden.
I think we should be a little skeptical of course but it seems everyone wants to bury his work because it doesn't match with how science believes the physical world can work.
But theories are mean't to be broken.
Theories are made to explain things. If facts are revealed that are contradictory to those theories, then new theories must replace or augment the old ones to explain all of the relevant facts.
You don't "break" theories because of what some guy claims. You only "break" them because of what some guy can prove with actual independently verifiable facts. Thus far, there are no independently verifiable facts on his side.
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