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On July 10 2011 20:58 Mykill wrote:
Just wondering something about gun ownership.
Do you guys own guns as collectables?
or are they more actively used for hunting (i hope not defense)
For me I sometimes take my bow out for hunting small games. But I think about getting a crossbow. Which is much more range and power and acurate too. There is a certain aesthetic to bow hunting too but I use it fore fishing more
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i never saw anyone in germany who owned a gun
im sure it is quite fun to go hunting but to collect them ? hm that wouldnt fit me i think
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[quote][QUOTE]On July 10 2011 15:40 J.E.G. wrote:
Sig 226 9mm from West Germany:
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YES THIS IS VERY NICE! The kick is so damn big on mine, I feel like it's shooting a cannon. Fast firing this at moving targets is ridiculous. It's a damn nice gun to, quite accurate.
[quote]i never saw anyone in germany who owned a gun[/quote]
Yea, I would expect everyone in Germany to be averse to guns much like people in Japan are. Most people in Japan find guns ridiculous, some are even offended by it. Even the police there rarely carry guns, and the ones that do, have the ugliest, oldest, rusted revolvers. There's been quite a few events there were people go rampaging crazy, as in someone with a simple kitchen knife running around and killing 10+ people in crowded Tokyo before an armed officer can stop them.
As for Virginia, yes, I grew up there, and in some places OC is very, very common, in others it isnt. In VA Beach/Richmond/NoVA you don't really see it that much, but pretty much anywhere else, it's not rare at all. You aren't allowed to carry them on to school campuses though (meaning no defense at Tech, etc).
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On July 10 2011 14:20 susySquark wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 14:17 FagelBagel wrote:Something you guys might find interesting (especially non US citizens) In my state, Virginia, you can openly carry a handgun in public. It has to be secured in a holster. The minimum age for open carry is 18 and you do not need a permit or license of any kind. Example: + Show Spoiler +Virginia is one of 12 "Gold Star" open carry states. Meaning you can freely carry a holstered handgun as long as you are of 18 years of age. 7 states are non permissive open carry states. Oddly enough, California is open carry as well. Ammo just has to be kept separately. Noone does it though, and the rare people who do usually have to carry around a copy of the law just to turn away cops.
I'm curious about this, so assuming open carry is legal, which of these is legal:
unholstering, say to examine it or if a friend wants to examine it, but in public
carry one around without a holster (say you don't have one)
waving it around, but not pointing it at someone
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On July 10 2011 21:16 sVnteen wrote:
i never saw anyone in germany who owned a gun
Then you probably never leave your house  .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownership
Rank 15 is not too shabby...
The thing is. It's not so much about the amount of guns but more about the mentality connected with them.
As someone living in Switzerland which according to that list ranks second among "developed" countries I still see massive differences between the US mentality and "ours". A lot of people in this thread that live in the US at least mention self defense in connection with guns. Now over here, you have to get a permit from the police to buy a gun and for that you also have to give a reason why you need it. If you put "self defense" on the form you probably won't get the permit. Also as someone "in the scene" I don't know anyone who openly admits to sleeping with a loaded gun under his pillow. The driving factors behind gun ownership here are tradition and the military.
The military service here is compulsory and has you go through 21-52 weeks of initial training and 3 week repetition courses every year. So while you are "active" you also store your personal gear including Assault rifle/pistol at home (although you can take it to a "Zeughaus" and they keep it for you if you don't want it at home). Now while the rifle is property of the state you are allowed and even encouraged to use it for sportive usage. So a lot of people end up joining a local shooting club (of which there are a lot) and get into sports shooting that way.
Also shooting clubs around here are very old and often important for local tradition and at the same time dedicated to "serious sports". The club I'm a member of (Schützengesellschaft der Stadt Zürich) is more than 500 years old and the biggest yearly fair in Zürich ("Knabenschiessen", a shooting competition for 13-17 year olds) is pretty much privately organized by us.
So a significant amount of these privately owned guns are either the civil version of the military guns that people get to continue their hobby after they are discharged or sports guns which are usually far from the "real guns" you'd use for self defense and such. Guns specifically designed for sports usage are highly specialized and are pretty much unfit for violent usage since they tend to be rather big/unwieldy, fragile, outright impractical outside of a shooting range and way more expensive. Obviously they are still somewhat dangerous objects if mishandled, but that's also true for kitchen knives and gardening tools...
So while we do have a lot of gun ownership the reasons tend to be different. And owning a gun as a weapon or because some law allows you too is frowned upon even inside the sport shooting scene.
I'm also member of a club in Germany for which I compete in a local league. The German gun owners are somewhat similar to the ones in Switzerland except that they are more likely to be hunters/collectors since their military tradition isn't that extensive. Also they have more strict laws concerning the permits. Before you can buy a gun you have to pass a test about security and handling of guns and have to join a shooting club to handle the formalities.
That brings me to a final point. Even if the law here is rather liberal about who can get a gun, you usually still have to join a shooting club, have to pass a test or go through a military training regime. So It's more likely that people that do buy a gun know about the dangers and safe handling. Also since there are hoops to jump trough there are less Idiot that just buy a gun because they can.
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^ There's also a higher rate of crime in the US.
I would say the reason is because of the 'individuality' of Americans. I'm not sure if you've travelled a lot, but as someone who's been to a dozen different countries in half as many continents, it seems that cultures where a stronger sense of self, identity, and individualism (US, Spain) have a much higher amount of violence than countries where people are identified as part of the community or have less focus on the self but on the community/country/culture/etc, such as Japan (highly autonomous) or central Europe (socialist). Drugs, alcohol, poverty, urban density, and celebrity culture can also affect this. Not guns.
There are plenty of places in most US cities where it's probably a better idea to have a gun if you work around there, or common jobs like a store owner that are prone to robbery. Sleeping with a gun under your pillow and that kind of stuff is ridiculous, obviously, but self defense is definitely a valid reason. And if your simply a paranoid person (within reason of course) there is no reason you shouldn't have a gun if you feel safer with one.
Of course, what's really interesting is just how our opinions differ, probably solely because where we are from.
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One thing I am fairly surprised to see is how few people speak of hunting. That has been the primary driving force of most of my purchases through the years. I grew up on a ranch just outside of Middle-of-Nowhere, Wyoming and there was never much money to go around. Quite simply, if we didn't hunt, we didn't have meat all winter long. Every year we would hunt deer, antelope, and elk to stock the big freezer, with the occasional small game thrown in. It was tradition in our house on Thanksgiving the women would be home making the food, and the men would go out rabbit hunting (cotton tail, not that stringy jack rabbit you all are talking of . . .ewww).
I have multiple rifles for different purposes, and several that easily overlap. All are kept in the gun cabinet unless being used or cleaned except my cougar .40s&w that I carry, and the charter arms .380 pink lady in the night stand on my wife's side of the bed. Here is a pic of mine:
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I also have a Mosin that I can assure you is as accurate as I could ever need. I attached an extended eye relief scope to it (fits right over the sight fittings for those interested) and have a 1.5" group at 100 yds. A few years back I took an antelope with it near South Pass, WY at 140 yds.
Maybe later I will take a pic of the whole lineup.
BTW, proud of the thread for staying alive this long. Turns out we actually can hold a civil discussion about controversial issues . . . for the most part at least 
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It seems the "criminals" over here are more clever. While burglary is somewhat common (twice in my case) the burglars are out for profit and not adrenaline... So they are very methodical and usually observe and make sure the owners are on vacation or similar. While I know a lot of people that had someone break into their house I don't know a single one who was at home and ended up in a dangerous situation.
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aye im from texaz n i wanna kno how to buy some choppers
so since im from texaz i can just buy the choppa off a private deala? as long as i hav the reseet im good 2 go?
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G36E with Mickey Mouse drum magazine. Softair with 2 Joule power :D
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On July 10 2011 22:18 japro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 21:16 sVnteen wrote:
i never saw anyone in germany who owned a gun Then you probably never leave your house . http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_gun_ownershipRank 15 is not too shabby... The thing is. It's not so much about the amount of guns but more about the mentality connected with them. As someone living in Switzerland which according to that list ranks second among "developed" countries I still see massive differences between the US mentality and "ours". A lot of people in this thread that live in the US at least mention self defense in connection with guns. Now over here, you have to get a permit from the police to buy a gun and for that you also have to give a reason why you need it. If you put "self defense" on the form you probably won't get the permit. Also as someone "in the scene" I don't know anyone who openly admits to sleeping with a loaded gun under his pillow. The driving factors behind gun ownership here are tradition and the military. The military service here is compulsory and has you go through 21-52 weeks of initial training and 3 week repetition courses every year. So while you are "active" you also store your personal gear including Assault rifle/pistol at home (although you can take it to a "Zeughaus" and they keep it for you if you don't want it at home). Now while the rifle is property of the state you are allowed and even encouraged to use it for sportive usage. So a lot of people end up joining a local shooting club (of which there are a lot) and get into sports shooting that way. Also shooting clubs around here are very old and often important for local tradition and at the same time dedicated to "serious sports". The club I'm a member of (Schützengesellschaft der Stadt Zürich) is more than 500 years old and the biggest yearly fair in Zürich (" Knabenschiessen", a shooting competition for 13-17 year olds) is pretty much privately organized by us. So a significant amount of these privately owned guns are either the civil version of the military guns that people get to continue their hobby after they are discharged or sports guns which are usually far from the "real guns" you'd use for self defense and such. Guns specifically designed for sports usage are highly specialized and are pretty much unfit for violent usage since they tend to be rather big/unwieldy, fragile, outright impractical outside of a shooting range and way more expensive. Obviously they are still somewhat dangerous objects if mishandled, but that's also true for kitchen knives and gardening tools... So while we do have a lot of gun ownership the reasons tend to be different. And owning a gun as a weapon or because some law allows you too is frowned upon even inside the sport shooting scene. I'm also member of a club in Germany for which I compete in a local league. The German gun owners are somewhat similar to the ones in Switzerland except that they are more likely to be hunters/collectors since their military tradition isn't that extensive. Also they have more strict laws concerning the permits. Before you can buy a gun you have to pass a test about security and handling of guns and have to join a shooting club to handle the formalities. That brings me to a final point. Even if the law here is rather liberal about who can get a gun, you usually still have to join a shooting club, have to pass a test or go through a military training regime. So It's more likely that people that do buy a gun know about the dangers and safe handling. Also since there are hoops to jump trough there are less Idiot that just buy a gun because they can.
Wow 88.8 USA hell yeaaah
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On July 10 2011 22:44 urasheep wrote:
aye im from texaz n i wanna kno how to buy some choppers
so since im from texaz i can just buy the choppa off a private deala? as long as i hav the reseet im good 2 go?
cen any1 help?????????????????//
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Mod Edit: Howdy partner. I'm actually from Texas, and I can tell ye that if you ain't got no choppas, you ain't got no balls. So kindly take a hike afore we haul yer pussy heathen ass from this here state.
Don't be a bigot.
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In Norway, we're not allowed to own guns, unless your job is defending the country in a state of war, or the likes - also if you're a certified hunter on a quota. Our police force rarely carry guns(bar drug busts and huge crime rings), and they close to never wear guns on the job, in their car, patrolling the streets.
Norway is 4th last on the crime rate(homocide per 100,000).
Just saying.
I'm planning to own a light sabre(not really a gun?), and the super soaker 12k!
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Fuck yeah guns!! USA USA
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I'd like to get a M1 Carbine once I'm out of service seem like my type of rifle short, light, but still able to be used as a melee weapon.
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On July 10 2011 15:08 OsoVega wrote:Show nested quote +On July 10 2011 14:03 edoZ wrote:On July 10 2011 13:28 Belial88 wrote:
Anyone who says they don't understand guns has never had the distinct pleasure of unloading a full clip of a full auto submachine gun like a mac-10 or let off a few double barrel blasts from a sawed off shotgun.
I'm no gun nut, but owning a .22 luger long barrel rifle pistol is just about the best value fun you can have considering how cheapp .22 bullets are. $5 and you'll have enough bullets for all day, I recommend to everyone to go to a gun range and just try out a cheap .22. Its a great way to take a girl on a date as well, very cheap.
I'm not sure how canada works, I believe in the US you can have any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, and you can have batshit guns like sawed off shotguns, fully automatic machine guns, assault rifles, pen guns, if you have a class 3 ppermit which involves some ATF, I believe, thorough checking but not hard at all. It of course varies state to state, but guns are just a lot of fun, maybe stupid fun, but isn't that what fireworks, fast cars, video games, rocketry, and recreational drugs/alcohol are?
Some peopple can't stand guns because they are literally brainwashed to be averse to them, like japanese people (not saying racism, I mean people grown up there like half of my family). As with anything, you have to be safe and respectful. Even fencing can be fun. The way it works up here, is that all rifles have to be pinned to 5, and all handguns have to be pinned to 10. You have 3 licenses: PAL: Lets you own some rifles and shotguns RPAL: Lets you own the tactile rifles, AR-15s and all handguns with barrels longer than 4.14". Prohibited license: Lets you own anything from what I understand. You can own full autos, and small handguns with a barrel shorter than the required length. Not all rifles, just center fire semi autos. The one exception to this is the M1 Garand which isn't restricted in it's mag capacity. Also, you can get 10 round AR pistol magazines that fit into all AR's.
The lee enfield and carbine can have full mags.
Also if you own a 1919 you can have 250 round canvas belts for it.
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It seems the "criminals" over here are more clever. While burglary is somewhat common (twice in my case) the burglars are out for profit and not adrenaline... So they are very methodical and usually observe and make sure the owners are on vacation or similar. While I know a lot of people that had someone break into their house I don't know a single one who was at home and ended up in a dangerous situation.
I think the high amount of drug abuse in the US is really the biggest contributing factor to the relatively high crime rate. For the most part it's safe, just very small pockets in some of the larger cities. I think almost everyone I knew, including myself, in Richmond, VA had an experience involving witnessing or being a victim of a shooting, armed robbery, stabbing, et cetera. Mostly just seeing someone wounded, but a few thieves at gunpoint as well. But that was a big city with a lot of drugs.
Personally, even as a gun owner, I think hunting is stupid. I'm sorry, I just don't get having to sit in a tree where you can't even move or piss or drink or eat for hours on end to maybe shoot something. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bad or anything, I just don't get it. I shoot birds and small game that come on to my property - it's a lot of fun. But like hardcore, actual hunting - as an economist I think buying your food is much more economic and better.
I have absolutely nothing against it. It's just, you know, not my thing. I know for a lot of gun owners it's a big part of their life, their culture, so you could say I also don't understand praying multiple times a day to allah either.
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this is my gun i ♥ it very much.
Its a snub 357 mag smith and wesson, holds 7 instead of 6!
It is not super accurate but at 25yards its like holding a baby cannon and its really fun to fire!
I would really like to get a mac 10 or 11 i really like sub machine guns really cool and fun to fire
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mac 10 is 45 cal and mac 11 is 9 mil they can hold like up to 32 rounds, i can't get automatic weopons in my state but a semi auto would still be bad ass i want one plz ^^
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On July 11 2011 01:19 HatchetWound wrote:+ Show Spoiler +this is my gun i ♥ it very much. Its a snub 357 mag smith and wesson, holds 7 instead of 6! It is not super accurate but at 25yards its like holding a baby cannon and its really fun to fire! I would really like to get a mac 10 or 11 i really like sub machine guns really cool and fun to fire mac 10 is 45 cal and mac 11 is 9 mil they can hold like up to 32 rounds, i can't get automatic weopons in my state but a semi auto would still be bad ass i want one plz ^^
25 yards? I have to call bullshit. More like 2.5 to actually hit something.
Snubbies in general aren't very good for any kind of range, and .357 is a hell of a round out of a little bitty pistol.
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One question if i may.
I heard that you are only allowed to own shotgun without a firm licence, because it is hard to hide under your coat? All other smaller/semiautomatic weapons need a licence in USA?
About myself..i would really like to own an old goodie tommygun(i had a time and still love old "mafia" times. Dont know why, but i love the gentelmenliness(if that is a word) of that area), but i think i dont have the time or money to deal with a proper firearm
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