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I bought an AR-15 as a general purpose rifle as well as to mod. My set up right now is very similar to the one in this picture but without a foregrip/bi-pod and an aim-point red dot. + Show Spoiler +
My only pistol is a Springfield 1911. It's a bit more difficult to get pistols in Canada but the nice thing about the 1911 is that it isn't neutered by the 10 round mag limit for pistols that we have here. Also, even though the design is over 100 years old it still, in many ways competes with modern pistols. Mine is identical to this but I have a different style of wood grips on it. + Show Spoiler +
For anyone at all interested in firearms I don't think there is any reason not to own a Mosin Nagant. You can get them for around $100 depending on where you live, so it's probably close to the best value you can possibly get for a firearm. + Show Spoiler +
I have a Ruger 10/22 and I think it's one of the best 22.'s you can get and is also great value. It's also fun to have 30 round mags as center fire semi-auto mags for long guns are limited to 5, here. + Show Spoiler +
My home defense weapon is a Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights. I keep 1 round of #4 buckshot and 00 buckshot behind it next to it (not allowed to keep it in it) in a speed loader. + Show Spoiler +
At some point when I have the money, I plan on getting some kind of revolver and a Lee Enfield at some point.
If you want to criticize gun ownership or talk about gun control, in this thread, don't. Every gun owner has heard it a thousand times before and that's not what this thread is for. Don't respond to it either. Feel free to ask about gun ownership, i.e. price, why we own guns, the process of getting them, etc.
I'd want any thirty aught six rifle since they usually look pretty decent like that M1 Garand or some old M14 ( the more wooden ones instead of the new ones )
Anyone got any tungsten carbide rounds and saboted tungsten carbide rounds?
Also, when I was in the army we got shouted at for calling them guns. It's rifle / pistol / shotgun / whatever - collectively they are firearms. I dunno if its the same in gun culture but if you go to a ships captain and say "nice boat" you will not be smiled upon.
Plan to get a Taurus PT 92 AFS sometime this month or next. Will be the first pistol I'll own and look forward to putting a ton of bullets through it. =)
As far as I understand the process of purchasing this doesn't require any kind of waiting period; they just want to make sure you're not on any federal watch lists.
Of course this is purely for self defense. Being armed is a right that I intend to protect and defend vociferously.
Side note: always wanted to own a Banelli Shotgun (M2 perhaps) because they look sexy and appear comfortable to shoot with.
On July 08 2011 11:15 Deja Thoris wrote: I don't own any guns.
I don't plan to own any guns.
Also, when I was in the army we got shouted at for calling them guns. It's rifle / pistol / shotgun / whatever - collectively they are firearms. I dunno if its the same in gun culture but if you go to a ships captain and say "nice boat" you will not be smiled upon.
That analogy cracked me up.
I would be surprised if too many others had guns on TL, the demographic just doesn't seem suited to it.
On July 08 2011 11:05 StayFrosty wrote: That nagant looks pretty sweet. Are you from Ontario? Regardless what's the process in acquiring a license to purchase/own Assault Rifles and Pistols?
I'm from Manitoba.
Basically, there are three classes of firearms in Canada and two of which civilians are able to acquire. Unrestricted firearms are long guns that are of a certain length and not specifically classified otherwise. You need a possession and acquisition license (PAL) to get these.. Restricted firearms are pistols that have a barrel length of at least 4.1 inches and aren't otherwise classified as well as AR-15's. You need a restricted classification on your PAL to get these. Prohibited firearms are pistols with a barrel length of less than 4.1 inches as well as a bunch of firearms the government has decided look scary and that we shouldn't have. The only way to get these is through grandfathering.
In order to get a PAL you have to take and pass a safety course given by the government. Honestly, the course is easy and anyone who can't pass it shouldn't have a firearm. After passing it takes about a month to get papers so that you can apply for a PAL. After getting your papers you can apply for a PAL which includes some pretty extensive paper work but after it, I recieved my PAL in about a month.
In order to get a restricted you have to take a more extensive course and paper work and it will take longer to process.
On July 08 2011 11:08 Kahuna. wrote: Why do you own guns?
shooting range is fun? hobbies? collections...?
Oh sorry, I was asking the person who posted the OP directly. But yeh, those reasons seem pretty cool. Are those generally the reasons for owning them? Also, to gun owners in general, I'm wondering if there are any gun owners who own guns solely for the purpose of protection. And, what kinds of things contribute to the desire for having this level of protection, since not everyone feels that they need that much protection during their everyday lives. Is it possibly the neighbourhood you live in... i.e. Lots of robberies and break-ins in your region? Or is it just a general sense of extra safety that you feel you need? So yeh, more along the psychology behind owning guns...
On July 08 2011 11:18 firegawd wrote: Plan to get a Taurus PT 92 AFS sometime this month or next. Will be the first pistol I'll own and look forward to putting a ton of bullets through it. =)
As far as I understand the process of purchasing this doesn't require any kind of waiting period; they just want to make sure you're not on any federal watch lists.
Depends on the state, laws vary drastically. I can concealed carry without a permit in my home state, however in most states you need a government permission slip, in some states you can't concealed carry at all. Same applies to wait periods. My home state has no waiting period, however in high crime states such as California and New York, the innocent must wait to have their arms while the criminals buy them from the junkie in the alley.
On July 08 2011 11:20 OsoVega wrote: Prohibited firearms are pistols with a barrel length of less than 4.1 inches as well as a bunch of firearms the government has decided look scary and that we shouldn't have. The only way to get these is through grandfathering.
Why is this the case? Is it because pistols with shorter barrels are easier to conceal?
I own a Glock 20C with an internal laser sight, though IRL I don't generally tell people due to the usual connotations people associate it with, particularly in a state as liberal as mine. It serves as my home defense weapon, even if I train at mixed martial arts sufficiently that I find it unlikely that I would need it except against an armed intruder (or perhaps a rabid animal). Concealed carry isn't permitted in my city. Mine looks fairly similar to the one below: + Show Spoiler +
At some point I'd like to purchase a HK417. I'm neither military nor LEO, but it's possible to purchase the uppers and attach it to an AR-15 lower reciever. I'd want both the 20" barrel (the top one shown below) and 12" barrel (not shown, but effectively makes it a 7.62 carbine). + Show Spoiler +
There's a reason these gun threads keep getting closed.
Good luck though!
I made that thread and I haven't seen any other gun thread get closed. The reason is people did the opposite in what I've said not to do in the OP. I think I've been clear enough that that's not what this thread is for and we've all heard every argument against guns 1000 times.
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
You cousin likely had deep seated emotional problems, and severe depression. Blaming his suicide on the fact that he "Owned a shotgun" is extremely childish, as he likely would have found some other way to do it had a gun not been available. A gun is a tool, just like a knife is a tool, or a rope, people kill themselves with all three by their own conscious decisions. My uncle hanged himself when I was 13, I don't go around trying to make people feel bad about owning a rope, so I really don't understand your attitude towards guns.
There's a reason these gun threads keep getting closed.
Good luck though!
Zatic wrote:
Sorry OP, I don't think it's possible to have a thread purely about guns themselves.I get tired banning people who can't resist bringing gun politics into this thread.
On July 08 2011 11:20 Kahuna. wrote: Also, to gun owners in general, I'm wondering if there are any gun owners who own guns solely for the purpose of protection. And, what kinds of things contribute to the desire for having this level of protection, since not everyone feels that they need that much protection during their everyday lives. Is it possibly the neighbourhood you live in... i.e. Lots of robberies and break-ins in your region? Or is it just a general sense of extra safety that you feel you need? So yeh, more along the psychology behind owning guns...
I own a gun for the same reason that I own a first aid kit, or an emergency flashlight, or a spare tire.
All of those are completely unnecessary the vast majority of the time, but in the rare instance that they might be needed, they're invaluable.
On July 08 2011 11:36 gosuMalicE wrote: You cousin likely had deep seated emotional problems, and severe depression. Blaming his suicide on the fact that he "Owned a shotgun" is extremely childish, as he likely would have found some other way to do it had a gun not been available. A gun is a tool, just like a knife is a tool, or a rope, people kill themselves with all three by their own conscious decisions. My uncle hanged himself when I was 13, I don't go around trying to make people feel bad about owning a rope, so I really don't understand your attitude towards guns.
Stop feeding the troll before the thread gets shut down. OP already specified not to engage. Take it to PM if you can't help it.
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
You cousin likely had deep seated emotional problems, and severe depression. Blaming his suicide on the fact that he "Owned a shotgun" is extremely childish, as he likely would have found some other way to do it had a gun not been available. A gun is a tool, just like a knife is a tool, or a rope, people kill themselves with all three by their own conscious decisions. My uncle hanged himself when I was 13, I don't go around trying to make people feel bad about owning a rope, so I really don't understand your attitude towards guns.
You don't have to. I just said it pissed me off. You can call it irrational or whatever, I'm just reporting my emotional response. I'm not particularly interested in breaking it down for you. It would derail this thread quite quickly as it involves politics... though I don't see how that matters either way seeing as how the previous thread was closed.
On July 08 2011 11:08 Kahuna. wrote: Why do you own guns?
shooting range is fun? hobbies? collections...?
Oh sorry, I was asking the person who posted the OP directly. But yeh, those reasons seem pretty cool. Are those generally the reasons for owning them? Also, to gun owners in general, I'm wondering if there are any gun owners who own guns solely for the purpose of protection. And, what kinds of things contribute to the desire for having this level of protection, since not everyone feels that they need that much protection during their everyday lives. Is it possibly the neighbourhood you live in... i.e. Lots of robberies and break-ins in your region? Or is it just a general sense of extra safety that you feel you need? So yeh, more along the psychology behind owning guns...
I live in a very nice area, a gated community with $250,000+ homes. As someone that has actually had to call the police because of being violently assaulted I can say with conviction that I carry a firearm because I can't carry a police officer. While the police in my area are excellent and very nice, it still took them 8 minutes to arrive on scene. Not a long response time, however it really doesn't take 8 minutes to kill someone. It takes about 3-5 seconds to kill someone. I realized then that police officers really don't do a lot of saving, what they do is a lot of investigating after the fact. I survived because I was young and quick, I ran for my life and was lucky enough to be faster then my attackers were. I was almost killed and only survived by pure chance. I don't survive by pure chance anymore. I am proactive with my safety now. I carry now because I realize crime and violence knows no race, no amount of money and no logic, it can happen anywhere in an instant. People get hurt or killed just as often here as anywhere else, just once.
No one ever wants to shoot someone (unless they're criminally insane). The vast majority of gun owners have families, kids, jobs and futures they want to look after. Pulling the trigger like a maniac guarantees you life in prison and sane and competent people know that. Sane and competent people also know that crime isn't just something you see on TV. It could happen to you too at any time, for any or no reason at all. Will you be praying and running, thinking about your family and kids you might suddenly leave behind or will you be prepared for a situation that no one ever hopes to have to face?
Sorry OP, I don't think it's possible to have a thread purely about guns themselves.I get tired banning people who can't resist bringing gun politics into this thread.
Maybe not just about guns themselves but gunownership without politics or bickering, at least, I think is possible.
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
That is quite possibly the stupidest logic I've ever seen. My cousin died in a drunk driving accident, I don't rage every time I see a car enthusiast thread or try to ban cars. Instead of blaming an inanimate object, how about using some common sense and blame the actions of the person responsible.
There's a reason these gun threads keep getting closed.
Good luck though!
Zatic wrote:
Sorry OP, I don't think it's possible to have a thread purely about guns themselves.I get tired banning people who can't resist bringing gun politics into this thread.
Maybe not just about guns themselves but gunownership without politics or bickering, at least, I think is possible.
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
That is quite possibly the stupidest logic I've ever seen. My cousin died in a drunk driving accident, I don't rage every time I see a car enthusiast thread or try to ban cars. Instead of blaming an inanimate object, how about using some common sense and blame the actions of the person responsible.
with responses to what amounts to 'zomg thats dumb', only to be responded to with more 'zomg, like I thought. dumb'.
I don't think my presence in this thread is conducive to your overall goals , so I will depart.
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
That is quite possibly the stupidest logic I've ever seen. My cousin died in a drunk driving accident, I don't rage every time I see a car enthusiast thread or try to ban cars. Instead of blaming an inanimate object, how about using some common sense and blame the actions of the person responsible.
Drop it, man. Let's not derail this thread. The OP has displayed a vested interest in keeping such off-topic discussions from occurring, and it'd be nice if that request could be honored.
On July 08 2011 11:08 Kahuna. wrote: Why do you own guns?
shooting range is fun? hobbies? collections...?
Oh sorry, I was asking the person who posted the OP directly. But yeh, those reasons seem pretty cool. Are those generally the reasons for owning them? Also, to gun owners in general, I'm wondering if there are any gun owners who own guns solely for the purpose of protection. And, what kinds of things contribute to the desire for having this level of protection, since not everyone feels that they need that much protection during their everyday lives. Is it possibly the neighbourhood you live in... i.e. Lots of robberies and break-ins in your region? Or is it just a general sense of extra safety that you feel you need? So yeh, more along the psychology behind owning guns...
Oh, and what is "grandfathering"?
It's more along the line of that thin viel of protection you think you have isn't always going to be there, and you won't be able to rely on someone else protecting you.
There's a reason these gun threads keep getting closed.
Good luck though!
Zatic wrote:
Sorry OP, I don't think it's possible to have a thread purely about guns themselves.I get tired banning people who can't resist bringing gun politics into this thread.
Maybe not just about guns themselves but gunownership without politics or bickering, at least, I think is possible.
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
That is quite possibly the stupidest logic I've ever seen. My cousin died in a drunk driving accident, I don't rage every time I see a car enthusiast thread or try to ban cars. Instead of blaming an inanimate object, how about using some common sense and blame the actions of the person responsible.
with responses to what amounts to 'zomg thats dumb', only to be responded to with more 'zomg, like I thought. dumb'.
I don't think my presence in this thread is conducive to your overall goals , so I will depart.
I really think if a thread about owning guys really makes you that mad, it is a good idea to leave, there is nothing wrong with discussing different types of guns, and what people own.
On July 08 2011 11:45 Yergidy wrote: Besides the .22 and 270's I own for hunting I have an antique German Luger that I got from my grandfather. It's pretty ballin'.+ Show Spoiler +
Wow, holy shit. Its authentic? Those are getting really expensive now. Treasure that
On July 08 2011 11:45 Yergidy wrote: Besides the .22 and 270's I own for hunting I have an antique German Luger that I got from my grandfather. It's pretty ballin'.+ Show Spoiler +
Wow, holy shit. Its authentic? Those are getting really expensive now. Treasure that
It has all the proofs so i'm pretty sure it's authentic. Ya don't worry I will treasure it:D It's the coolest thing I own!
I sold all of my firearms a few years ago because I needed money but I had a 9mm Taurus (it was Beretta styling not like most ugly ass Taurus), 7.62 Russian SKS (with bayonet which was so funny when I got it as a gift since it wasn't sharpened at all), Mossberg 12ga pump (nothing fancy), and the two weapons that I cherished but luckily sold to a relative was my 12ga Ithica over under and a 16ga Ithica pump. Of course I've owned many 22's over the years (like pretty much everyone) and had a .223 rifle as well (can't remember that one though I sold it soon after getting it). The Ithica's were the only things I had that I really liked but my uncle doesn't shoot so there gonna be pristine forever so no worries.
It is pretty ironic to have this and "Shooting of 7 in Grand Rapids, MI" on top of the general forums.
But you can only hope they would've been carrying their AR-15s, for self defence, EH?
Oh and btw, i dont give a shit about your red text op. Its just fucking crazy allowing people to have guns for any other reason than A) hunting B) self defence (a small caliber pistol, YOU DONT NEED A FUCKING RIFLE OR A SHOTGUN FOR THAT) C) sport shooting (small caliber pistols or rifles, or skeet shotguns)
got that for my 15th xmas was so happy to have it for gun safety. Bineli nova 12 gauge wicked kick but its a very solid very accurite gun thats easy to clean.
thats the gun I own to go hunting with exept I got a strap on is so I can sling it on my back. VERY VERY accurate brush gun thats worked great in all weathers for me.
little young to start my own collection but my cusions have legit mosion nagats from the war with all the markings on it. My dads a cop so he keeps a lot of his pistols in the gun safe (he gets a new one every 2 years as a tradition.
Just challenged the safety test for my licence. Got 97%. It's absurdly, disturbingly easy. I'd prefer there be more of a barrier to complete idiots acquiring firearms.
I plan on buying a .223 rifle in the $500 range for target shooting.
AK47 is deprecated superseded by AKM-74 / AKM-100-108 now ( different materials in the design )
My cousin once said that he saw an AKM-74 at a flea market but it was too expensive. they look really cool and I think they'd be a good one for the range.
I... swear I saw this topic get closed like a week ago when I was thinking about buying a 5.56/.223. Gloriously, the thread has come back for me to show off my newest purchase!
On July 08 2011 12:02 Hasmatiks wrote: It is pretty ironic to have this and "Shooting of 7 in Grand Rapids, MI" on top of the general forums.
But you can only hope they would've been carrying their AR-15s, for self defence, EH?
Oh and btw, i dont give a shit about your red text op. Its just fucking crazy allowing people to have guns for any other reason than A) hunting B) self defence (a small caliber pistol, YOU DONT NEED A FUCKING RIFLE OR A SHOTGUN FOR THAT) C) sport shooting (small caliber pistols or rifles, or skeet shotguns)
I think once I'm out of college I'll get a pistol for protection (ie so I can put it in my nightstand and never use it)
Beyond that, the most compelling reason for me to stock up on firearms is to prepare for some post-apocolyptic/world ending/zombie invasion scenario. Cause its coming!!
If I had a choice of any rifle, I would get a g36c because it looks pimp as shit.
On July 08 2011 12:02 Hasmatiks wrote: It is pretty ironic to have this and "Shooting of 7 in Grand Rapids, MI" on top of the general forums.
But you can only hope they would've been carrying their AR-15s, for self defence, EH?
Oh and btw, i dont give a shit about your red text op. Its just fucking crazy allowing people to have guns for any other reason than A) hunting B) self defence (a small caliber pistol, YOU DONT NEED A FUCKING RIFLE OR A SHOTGUN FOR THAT) C) sport shooting (small caliber pistols or rifles, or skeet shotguns)
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
That is quite possibly the stupidest logic I've ever seen. My cousin died in a drunk driving accident, I don't rage every time I see a car enthusiast thread or try to ban cars. Instead of blaming an inanimate object, how about using some common sense and blame the actions of the person responsible.
That is quite possibly the stupidest comparison I've ever seen. Cars are not built with the purpose to kill people but for means of transportation. The guns shown in this thread are definetly not meant for sports or hunting either.
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
That is quite possibly the stupidest logic I've ever seen. My cousin died in a drunk driving accident, I don't rage every time I see a car enthusiast thread or try to ban cars. Instead of blaming an inanimate object, how about using some common sense and blame the actions of the person responsible.
That is quite possibly the stupidest comparison I've ever seen. Cars are not built with the purpose to kill people but for means of transportation. The guns shown in this thread are definetly not meant for sports or hunting either.
I'm taking a carbine class later this month. Match pistol shooting in a tactical setting is a fast growing sport. Any "assault" style rifle you see posted on these boards owned by a civilian is NOT an automatic, its functionally identical to a hunting rifle, with a different grip. In fact, many people hunt with AR's because of their reliability and ease of use. Chances are everyone posting here is a responsible gun owner who will never hurt a single human being in their entire lifetime.
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
That is quite possibly the stupidest logic I've ever seen. My cousin died in a drunk driving accident, I don't rage every time I see a car enthusiast thread or try to ban cars. Instead of blaming an inanimate object, how about using some common sense and blame the actions of the person responsible.
That is quite possibly the stupidest comparison I've ever seen. Cars are not built with the purpose to kill people but for means of transportation. The guns shown in this thread are definetly not meant for sports or hunting either.
I'm taking a carbine class later this month. Match pistol shooting in a tactical setting is a fast growing sport. Any "assault" style rifle you see posted on these boards owned by a civilian is NOT an automatic, its functionally identical to a hunting rifle, with a different grip. In fact, many people hunt with AR's because of their reliability and easy of use. Chances are everyone posting here is a responsible gun owner who will never hurt a single human being in their entire lifetime.
Don't forget weight and balance. Usually much better on an assault rifle or carbine than on a lot of "traditional" style stuff.
On July 08 2011 12:02 Hasmatiks wrote: It is pretty ironic to have this and "Shooting of 7 in Grand Rapids, MI" on top of the general forums.
But you can only hope they would've been carrying their AR-15s, for self defence, EH?
Oh and btw, i dont give a shit about your red text op. Its just fucking crazy allowing people to have guns for any other reason than A) hunting B) self defence (a small caliber pistol, YOU DONT NEED A FUCKING RIFLE OR A SHOTGUN FOR THAT) C) sport shooting (small caliber pistols or rifles, or skeet shotguns)
On July 08 2011 12:02 Hasmatiks wrote: It is pretty ironic to have this and "Shooting of 7 in Grand Rapids, MI" on top of the general forums.
But you can only hope they would've been carrying their AR-15s, for self defence, EH?
Oh and btw, i dont give a shit about your red text op. Its just fucking crazy allowing people to have guns for any other reason than A) hunting B) self defence (a small caliber pistol, YOU DONT NEED A FUCKING RIFLE OR A SHOTGUN FOR THAT) C) sport shooting (small caliber pistols or rifles, or skeet shotguns)
What about as antiques?
Deactivated
Antique guns lose most of there value if they aren't functional.
On July 08 2011 12:02 Hasmatiks wrote: It is pretty ironic to have this and "Shooting of 7 in Grand Rapids, MI" on top of the general forums.
But you can only hope they would've been carrying their AR-15s, for self defence, EH?
Oh and btw, i dont give a shit about your red text op. Its just fucking crazy allowing people to have guns for any other reason than A) hunting B) self defence (a small caliber pistol, YOU DONT NEED A FUCKING RIFLE OR A SHOTGUN FOR THAT) C) sport shooting (small caliber pistols or rifles, or skeet shotguns)
What about as antiques?
Deactivated
Antique guns lose most of there value if they aren't functional.
Well, if im totally honest, I dont give a shit.
Wanna see my collection of antiquated artillery shells?
On July 08 2011 11:45 Yergidy wrote: Besides the .22 and 270's I own for hunting I have a WW I, 1917 German Luger that I got from my grandfather. It's pretty ballin'.+ Show Spoiler +
Dude thats awesome! As a big WW1 and WW2 enthusiast, that is a really cool heirloom. keep that one locked up bro, fantastic historical memorabilia.
I don't own any but my grandfather has one of these. + Show Spoiler +
Ruger Six Revlolver, .357 Cal. Magnum
He is retired and has a few buddies who are collectors, they go shoot them sometimes, he doesn't use it really for protection, just cause it looks cool and is fun to shoot at the range with his friends. He has let me fire it several times and it is really fun.
I just think they are cool and can be a lot of fun to own and collect as long as you take safety seriously and make sure everyone that will be around it knows how to be safe around them.
On July 08 2011 11:55 DannyJ wrote: I just have a shitty .22 rifle. Perfect for people like me who just wants to shoot balloons down the range.
I'd recommend a Mosin Nagant. The ammo costs a bit more but you also get the fun of shooting something with real recoil and power.
Haha funny you say that because i was actually thinking of getting one a couple years ago. I want some sort of cool older military bolt action rifle. My Uncle has an M1903 Springfield which is really fun to shoot.
And to answer the eventual question of why I have all these guns: zombie apocalypse
I was reading this thread and I was thinking, "Why would you need a gun for anything more than 'to wound' in self defence or to kill animals. These guys all have freakin automatic rifles!"
Then I read that quote.
And I was like... SHIT YEAH. Thats why 'I' need a gun!!!
When the zombie apocolypse hits, all those 'forward thinking' anti gun countries are going to be right fucked!!!
The last guns thread got derailed by anti-gunners. I guarantee you none of the gun owners posting in this thread have ever committed a crime with a firearm, but that won't stop them from calling us evil.
I own a 1934 Tula hex-receiver Mosin Nagant. Kicks like a mule! To shoot them at ranges in CA you have to buy non-magnetic ammo, which is harder to find at surplus prices (but it can be found).
I also bought a Ruger 10/22 earlier today so I can practice shooting on the cheap, give the ladies something that won't dislocate their shoulder, and possibly hunt jackrabbit/squirrels. Now I have to wait 10 days thanks to California's obnoxious laws.
I have a mosin I never fired, just for the history of it. Not for defense or target or anything, although I don't mind people who do. I may just take it out to shoot sometime... I mean, it's a bolt action rifle that was invented in freakin 1891. Not very controversial, to say the least. Don't even have ammo for it. Just a question though, I've only fired .22's and bb's like, once. How badly does a 91/30 kick?
Also, I really, really hope this thread stays on topic. I understand the aversion Europeans and even urban Americans have against guns, I mean, the only time they see them are when they're used in acts of violence. I just hope that you realize there are many people who own them not for criminal intent but for legitimate reasons.
On July 08 2011 11:12 Aleco wrote: At the moment I am holding my friends guns who might I say has quite a large arsenal.
4 Ar-15s 2 Ak-47 with folding stock 2 double barreled shotguns remington pump shotgun mossin nagant remington 700 police version
He has trijicon acogs on the ar-15s
I was going to say that I thought AK's were illegal in Canada... then I checked and you're from the US. Lucky. I wish to one day own an AK, but for now I'm stuck with a bunch of old Russian bolt-actions. ^^
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
That is quite possibly the stupidest logic I've ever seen. My cousin died in a drunk driving accident, I don't rage every time I see a car enthusiast thread or try to ban cars. Instead of blaming an inanimate object, how about using some common sense and blame the actions of the person responsible.
That is quite possibly the stupidest comparison I've ever seen. Cars are not built with the purpose to kill people but for means of transportation. The guns shown in this thread are definetly not meant for sports or hunting either.
I'm taking a carbine class later this month. Match pistol shooting in a tactical setting is a fast growing sport. Any "assault" style rifle you see posted on these boards owned by a civilian is NOT an automatic, its functionally identical to a hunting rifle, with a different grip. In fact, many people hunt with AR's because of their reliability and easy of use. Chances are everyone posting here is a responsible gun owner who will never hurt a single human being in their entire lifetime.
Don't forget weight and balance. Usually much better on an assault rifle or carbine than on a lot of "traditional" style stuff.
Haha figured I covered that with "ease of use." But yeah, you're right!
On July 08 2011 12:38 dark0dave wrote: What exactly do you do with it.... Right...
EDIT: Needs more love... But I don't feel like sharring
If you have a good amount of land outside the city you can shoot interesting targets, move around while shooting, rapid fire, etc. If you don't, you can still shoot at a range. Also, you can work on the guns like you would a car.
Shooting quickly and accurately is a skill - much like starcraft, it's very rewarding to set goals and improve at something. And unlike starcraft, these skills will come in handy for the zombie apocalypse!
On July 08 2011 12:38 dark0dave wrote: What exactly do you do with it.... Right...
EDIT: Needs more love... But I don't feel like sharring
If you have a good amount of land outside the city you can shoot interesting targets, move around while shooting, rapid fire, etc. If you don't, you can still shoot at a range. Also, you can work on the guns like you would a car.
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
That is quite possibly the stupidest logic I've ever seen. My cousin died in a drunk driving accident, I don't rage every time I see a car enthusiast thread or try to ban cars. Instead of blaming an inanimate object, how about using some common sense and blame the actions of the person responsible.
That is quite possibly the stupidest comparison I've ever seen. Cars are not built with the purpose to kill people but for means of transportation. The guns shown in this thread are definetly not meant for sports or hunting either.
I'm taking a carbine class later this month. Match pistol shooting in a tactical setting is a fast growing sport. Any "assault" style rifle you see posted on these boards owned by a civilian is NOT an automatic, its functionally identical to a hunting rifle, with a different grip. In fact, many people hunt with AR's because of their reliability and easy of use. Chances are everyone posting here is a responsible gun owner who will never hurt a single human being in their entire lifetime.
Don't forget weight and balance. Usually much better on an assault rifle or carbine than on a lot of "traditional" style stuff.
Haha figured I covered that with "ease of use." But yeah, you're right!
Eh, I don't consider an AR style "easy" to use, if it's on the original M16/M4 style with the forward assist. I hated those stupid things while I was in the army. Terrible design, honestly. But the balance and weight are nice.
Just not as nice as the G3, which also happens to fire a round I prefer heavily.
On July 08 2011 11:12 Aleco wrote: At the moment I am holding my friends guns who might I say has quite a large arsenal.
4 Ar-15s 2 Ak-47 with folding stock 2 double barreled shotguns remington pump shotgun mossin nagant remington 700 police version
He has trijicon acogs on the ar-15s
I was going to say that I thought AK's were illegal in Canada... then I checked and you're from the US. Lucky. I wish to one day own an AK, but for now I'm stuck with a bunch of old Russian bolt-actions. ^^
This is as close as we have to the AK. I've considered getting one. It's not even restricted.
On July 08 2011 12:15 susySquark wrote: I'm taking a carbine class later this month. Match pistol shooting in a tactical setting is a fast growing sport. Any "assault" style rifle you see posted on these boards owned by a civilian is NOT an automatic, its functionally identical to a hunting rifle, with a different grip. In fact, many people hunt with AR's because of their reliability and easy of use. Chances are everyone posting here is a responsible gun owner who will never hurt a single human being in their entire lifetime.
Not true always, it is possible for a civilian to own an automatic weapon, just ridiculously expensive, and usually not worth it, such a waste of expensive ammo.
I currently own a Kel-Tec PF9, have for about 2 years now..I also have a CWP(concealed weapon permit) and carry every day. The picture is not mine. I would have taken a picture however i didn't have a Bill to size it up.
If anyone wants great info about backpacking,guns,or reviews check out www.youtube.com/nutnfancy Hes been on youtube for a long time and is a great youtuber. Also another inspiring person is youtube.com/wranglerstar (Cody or Wranglerstar is building a home up in the woods. Great guy imo)
I would like to pickup a S&W M&P 40c or 45c. Just waiting for a good deal to come along.
On July 08 2011 12:49 leperphilliac wrote: I have a mosin I never fired, just for the history of it. Not for defense or target or anything, although I don't mind people who do. I may just take it out to shoot sometime... I mean, it's a bolt action rifle that was invented in freakin 1891. Not very controversial, to say the least. Don't even have ammo for it. Just a question though, I've only fired .22's and bb's like, once. How badly does a 91/30 kick?
Also, I really, really hope this thread stays on topic. I understand the aversion Europeans and even urban Americans have against guns, I mean, the only time they see them are when they're used in acts of violence. I just hope that you realize there are many people who own them not for criminal intent but for legitimate reasons.
It won't dislocate your shoulder or anything but it does kick pretty hard but if you make sure the stock is against your shoulder when you shoot, it should be fine. It depends on the person how much they are able to shoot before they're ready to put it down but you should be able to take it long enough to have a good trip to a range.
On July 08 2011 12:49 leperphilliac wrote: I have a mosin I never fired, just for the history of it. Not for defense or target or anything, although I don't mind people who do. I may just take it out to shoot sometime... I mean, it's a bolt action rifle that was invented in freakin 1891. Not very controversial, to say the least. Don't even have ammo for it. Just a question though, I've only fired .22's and bb's like, once. How badly does a 91/30 kick?
Also, I really, really hope this thread stays on topic. I understand the aversion Europeans and even urban Americans have against guns, I mean, the only time they see them are when they're used in acts of violence. I just hope that you realize there are many people who own them not for criminal intent but for legitimate reasons.
If you don't shoot on a regular basis, that mosin will kick hard enough to give you a sore shoulder. First time i got my mosin, put maybe 15 rounds down range with it, then decided well thats enough self inflicted pain for the day.
On July 08 2011 12:15 susySquark wrote: I'm taking a carbine class later this month. Match pistol shooting in a tactical setting is a fast growing sport. Any "assault" style rifle you see posted on these boards owned by a civilian is NOT an automatic, its functionally identical to a hunting rifle, with a different grip. In fact, many people hunt with AR's because of their reliability and easy of use. Chances are everyone posting here is a responsible gun owner who will never hurt a single human being in their entire lifetime.
Not true always, it is possible for a civilian to own an automatic weapon, just ridiculously expensive, and usually not worth it, such a waste of expensive ammo.
State by state it differs, I suppose. States like CA and NY its impossible for a civilian to get an automatic.
On July 08 2011 12:59 Naicella wrote: I currently own a Kel-Tec PF9, have for about 2 years now..I also have a CWP(concealed weapon permit) and carry every day. The picture is not mine. I would have taken a picture however i didn't have a Bill to size it up.
If anyone wants great info about backpacking,guns,or reviews check out www.youtube.com/nutnfancy Hes been on youtube for a long time and is a great youtuber. Also another inspiring person is youtube.com/wranglerstar (Cody or Wranglerstar is building a home up in the woods. Great guy imo)
I would like to pickup a S&W M&P 40c or 45c. Just waiting for a good deal to come along. [img]http://www.iowadeer.com/iowadeerblog/blogs/media/blogs/glasgowm/carry%20guns%20012%20cropped.jpg[img]
Props for carrying and carrying consistently. Nutnfancy has a great video about that... but other than that he can get rather long winded about things.
Maybe he's hoping that enough trolls, flamers, and assorted bad posters have been weeded out from both sides of the almost guaranteed to ensue debate since then that this one has a chance...
My personal guess falls somewhere under the "pigs flying" category on that, but it would be nice.
On July 08 2011 12:43 brain_ wrote: The last guns thread got derailed by anti-gunners. I guarantee you none of the gun owners posting in this thread have ever committed a crime with a firearm, but that won't stop them from calling us evil.
I own a 1934 Tula hex-receiver Mosin Nagant. Kicks like a mule! To shoot them at ranges in CA you have to buy non-magnetic ammo, which is harder to find at surplus prices (but it can be found).
I also bought a Ruger 10/22 earlier today so I can practice shooting on the cheap, give the ladies something that won't dislocate their shoulder, and possibly hunt jackrabbit/squirrels. Now I have to wait 10 days thanks to California's obnoxious laws.
If ammo is becoming a problem, you can look into reloading, or find a buddy who reloads. A lot of people in the community do so in order to stave off a lot of the costs associated with regular shooting
own quite a few guns, but the ones i shoot the most are my 2 AR-15's. my first one is a post-ban 16 inch removable flat top with a 3-9x40 Bushnell Banner Scope. my second (and my fav) is a 20 inch pre-ban A-2 Sporter built in 1985. i can group both rifles 1 inch at 100 yards. 2 inchs at 200 yards if eat my Wheaties that morning.
i reload all my own ammo, and have good results with a 55 FMJ bullet in front of 24 grains of IMR 4895 powder
On July 08 2011 13:00 Distortion_nZ wrote: I use my guns purely for hunting purposes. Ruger 22. Best 22. our there in my opinion. I use this mainly for rabbit and possums.
Remmington 243. Great rifle. I use it mainly on deer and occasionally goats.
When hunting rabbits with .22lr, do you generally have to get a headshot? Will a shot through the lungs penetrate the whole rabbit? I'm considering hunting jackrabbits this winter.
Damn, maybe hearing about how the mosin's recoil is so bad I should just not bother... ah well. It'd probably be best if I made the gun inoperable then. i can take out the firing pin and it won't fire, right? Sure I can find a manual...
Well mainly, having an on topic discussion which this mostly has been other than a couple posts and even those posts have some on topic responses.
It's 6am in Europe.
I don't have much hope for this thread 5 hours from now. But we'll see. TBH Iooking at the last one I would rather close it than spend hours moderating a flame war.
Well mainly, having an on topic discussion which this mostly has been other than a couple posts and even those posts have some on topic responses.
It's 6am in Europe.
I don't have much hope for this thread 5 hours from now. But we'll see.
lolol.
translation: 'once the rest of the europeans get wind of this this thread is toast, I'm not looking forward to the rest of my morning....*siiiiigh* '
EDIT: sorry, I said I wouldn't post again here cuz I'd be unable to prevent myself from bringing politics into it (I'll refrain from citing statistics here, but its taking a lot), but zatic's stoic resignation as to the impending ban wave was hilarious and to the point.
On July 08 2011 13:16 leperphilliac wrote: Damn, maybe hearing about how the mosin's recoil is so bad I should just not bother... ah well. It'd probably be best if I made the gun inoperable then. i can take out the firing pin and it won't fire, right? Sure I can find a manual...
Honestly, there is no reason not to try at all and you will be fine for at least a couple dozen shots so long as you keep the stock against your shoulder.
but my "baby" is the my Springfield Armory XD in .45. + Show Spoiler +
Home defense and target practice for fun.
Guns I hope to end someday:
1. 1911 Handgun 2. .357 revolver (you can shoot .38 ammo in this which are cheaper and save the nice .357 ammo for special occassions) 3. Some kind of nice .22 handgun for target practice 4. The mandatory pump 12 gauge
I'm not really a rifle person cause I don't hunt much. My father in law is a huge hunter (think 5-6 elk, 3-4 deer, turkeys, etc per year) and he owns over 30 rifles.
On July 08 2011 11:08 Kahuna. wrote: Why do you own guns?
shooting range is fun? hobbies? collections...?
Oh sorry, I was asking the person who posted the OP directly. But yeh, those reasons seem pretty cool. Are those generally the reasons for owning them? Also, to gun owners in general, I'm wondering if there are any gun owners who own guns solely for the purpose of protection. And, what kinds of things contribute to the desire for having this level of protection, since not everyone feels that they need that much protection during their everyday lives. Is it possibly the neighbourhood you live in... i.e. Lots of robberies and break-ins in your region? Or is it just a general sense of extra safety that you feel you need? So yeh, more along the psychology behind owning guns...
Oh, and what is "grandfathering"?
The only reason I keep one is for the bears and even than I usually have the big dog come out with me and keep it locked up. I dunno not keen on melleing a bear.
Well mainly, having an on topic discussion which this mostly has been other than a couple posts and even those posts have some on topic responses.
It's 6am in Europe.
I don't have much hope for this thread 5 hours from now. But we'll see. TBH Iooking at the last one I would rather close it than spend hours moderating a flame war.
Isn't the better solution to slap down the people shitting up the thread, rather than trash the thread to prevent it getting shit on? I mean, don't get me wrong, I rolled my eyes when I saw this, and expected it to be closed by now, but it would be nice if a thread like this could survive.
Although I must say, your analysis of the situation made me giggle a tad bit.
When I'm a homeowner/have a family I simply plan to keep a run-of-the-mill pistol, you just never know yo. Pretty standard for a Texan like me YEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAW.
Well mainly, having an on topic discussion which this mostly has been other than a couple posts and even those posts have some on topic responses.
It's 6am in Europe.
I don't have much hope for this thread 5 hours from now. But we'll see. TBH Iooking at the last one I would rather close it than spend hours moderating a flame war.
Just distribute bans like candy. Given the completely inability to read the OP, let alone to have common sense, you'd probably have to ban them later elsewhere. I'd bet half the posts follow the OP, I see hope for this thread.
On July 08 2011 13:25 Megaliskuu wrote: When I'm a homeowner/have a family I simply plan to keep a run-of-the-mill pistol, you just never know yo. Pretty standard for a Texan like me YEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAW.
That was a good movie, I personally rock a bolt action, laser assisted, custom navy blue pistol with secondary ammunition for in combat repletement (which according to google may or may not be an actually word) + Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2011 11:45 Yergidy wrote: Besides the .22 and 270's I own for hunting I have a WW I, 1917 German Luger that I got from my grandfather. It's pretty ballin'.+ Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2011 13:25 Megaliskuu wrote: When I'm a homeowner/have a family I simply plan to keep a run-of-the-mill pistol, you just never know yo. Pretty standard for a Texan like me YEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAAAAAAAAAW.
I enjoy shooting guns, but I do not own any. Someday I'd like to own a few handguns and some assault rifles.
I'd probably want to keep them at a shooting range because I think having them at home increases risk of accident. Obviously I do not mean "accident" in the sense that the gun could be at fault; however, unwanted mishaps with guns DO occur as a result of carelessness. I wouldn't want somebody accidentally setting one off due to my own lapse in judgment, or do to someone else's foolishness.
If I had it my way, gun ownership would be permissible but it would be much more heavily monitored and policed.
but my "baby" is the my Springfield Armory XD in .45. + Show Spoiler +
Home defense and target practice for fun.
Guns I hope to end someday:
1. 1911 Handgun 2. .357 revolver (you can shoot .38 ammo in this which are cheaper and save the nice .357 ammo for special occassions) 3. Some kind of nice .22 handgun for target practice 4. The mandatory pump 12 gauge
I'm not really a rifle person cause I don't hunt much. My father in law is a huge hunter (think 5-6 elk, 3-4 deer, turkeys, etc per year) and he owns over 30 rifles.
How many guns does a man need? "Only 1 more"
1. A 1911 is almost mandatory. 2. I have a nice Colt Python for my .357/.38 fix. Love that gun to pieces, highly recommended.
On July 08 2011 13:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: I enjoy shooting guns, but I do not own any. Someday I'd like to own a few handguns and some assault rifles.
I'd probably want to keep them at a shooting range because I think having them at home increases risk of accident. Obviously I do not mean "accident" in the sense that the gun could be at fault; however, unwanted mishaps with guns DO occur as a result of carelessness. I wouldn't want somebody accidentally setting one off due to my own lapse in judgment, or do to someone else's foolishness.
If I had it my way, gun ownership would be permissible but it would be much more heavily monitored and policed.
I grew up in a house with an absurd amount of guns in it - but they were all safely stored in a gunsafe, which I did not know the combination to til I was out of college. I know someone that stores his AR locked up, without the firing pin installed. If you're responsible about it, there's no reason not to keep them at home, where its more convenient to clean, maintain, and just keep track of everything.
On July 08 2011 13:16 leperphilliac wrote: Damn, maybe hearing about how the mosin's recoil is so bad I should just not bother... ah well. It'd probably be best if I made the gun inoperable then. i can take out the firing pin and it won't fire, right? Sure I can find a manual...
Naw, get a t-shirt and fold it until it is about an inch thick. Then shove it under whatever clothes you're wearing, near your shoulder, or pinch it between the Mosin's buttplate and your shoulder - it takes almost all the pain out of the recoil, but keeps the fun. Besides, even if it hurts, you should still shoot it once! Its your gun! I went out and put 40 rounds through mine after I got it, and I didn't regret the bruise for a second.
Are you sure it is ready to fire though? Most Mosins come slathered in Cosmoline, a sticky brown preservative that keeps them from rusting away and is a bitch to get off. You can't shoot it until everything has been cleaned.
On July 08 2011 13:39 FallDownMarigold wrote: I enjoy shooting guns, but I do not own any. Someday I'd like to own a few handguns and some assault rifles.
I'd probably want to keep them at a shooting range because I think having them at home increases risk of accident. Obviously I do not mean "accident" in the sense that the gun could be at fault; however, unwanted mishaps with guns DO occur as a result of carelessness. I wouldn't want somebody accidentally setting one off due to my own lapse in judgment, or do to someone else's foolishness.
If I had it my way, gun ownership would be permissible but it would be much more heavily monitored and policed.
I grew up in a house with an absurd amount of guns in it - but they were all safely stored in a gunsafe, which I did not know the combination to til I was out of college. I know someone that stores his AR locked up, without the firing pin installed. If you're responsible about it, there's no reason not to keep them at home, where its more convenient to clean, maintain, and just keep track of everything.
Yes I understand that, but nonetheless statistics tell a sad story. It's safer in general simply to not keep them around people that are - well, human. Humans suffer lapses in judgment whose times of occurrences are impossible to predict. They happen to everyone. For that reason alone I would opt for the 100% safe alternative. It sounds lame - sort of like "well, it's better to abstain than using a condom", only in this case an STD or a morning-after pill isn't on the line. Lives are on the line.
On July 08 2011 13:16 leperphilliac wrote: Damn, maybe hearing about how the mosin's recoil is so bad I should just not bother... ah well. It'd probably be best if I made the gun inoperable then. i can take out the firing pin and it won't fire, right? Sure I can find a manual...
Don't be afraid of recoil! Even my puny nerd physique can handle some pretty punishing guns. It just takes good technique, and willingness to have bruises. Every time I go skeet shooting I come back with a purple shoulder, but a big smile on my face.
Still, taking out the firing pin should be a relatively simple procedure. Once you get the bolt out, its usually quite easy
On July 08 2011 11:02 OsoVega wrote: Right now I own five guns.
I bought an AR-15 as a general purpose rifle as well as to mod. My set up right now is very similar to the one in this picture but without a foregrip/bi-pod and an aim-point red dot. + Show Spoiler +
My only pistol is a Springfield 1911. It's a bit more difficult to get pistols in Canada but the nice thing about the 1911 is that it isn't neutered by the 10 round mag limit for pistols that we have here. Also, even though the design is over 100 years old it still, in many ways competes with modern pistols. Mine is identical to this but I have a different style of wood grips on it. + Show Spoiler +
For anyone at all interested in firearms I don't think there is any reason not to own a Mosin Nagant. You can get them for around $100 depending on where you live, so it's probably close to the best value you can possibly get for a firearm. + Show Spoiler +
I have a Ruger 10/22 and I think it's one of the best 22.'s you can get and is also great value. It's also fun to have 30 round mags as center fire semi-auto mags for long guns are limited to 5, here. + Show Spoiler +
My home defense weapon is a Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights. I keep 1 round of #4 buckshot and 00 buckshot behind it next to it (not allowed to keep it in it) in a speed loader. + Show Spoiler +
At some point when I have the money, I plan on getting some kind of revolver and a Lee Enfield at some point.
If you want to criticize gun ownership or talk about gun control, in this thread, don't. Every gun owner has heard it a thousand times before and that's not what this thread is for. Don't respond to it either. Feel free to ask about gun ownership, i.e. price, why we own guns, the process of getting them, etc.
Question to the OP. Are you from the south by any chance? I went to Nashville to visit one of my college friends and he had hella guns. I think I saw 3 shotguns and a few revolvers. He says he hunts squirrels and rabbits and eats them. I would have liked to do the same but we were running low on time.
I have a Model 1886 Winchester with an Octagonal barrel that is passed down to the first born son in the family. I also have 2 22's for target practice. Oh and I also have a long bow and a recurve
On July 08 2011 12:43 brain_ wrote: The last guns thread got derailed by anti-gunners. I guarantee you none of the gun owners posting in this thread have ever committed a crime with a firearm, but that won't stop them from calling us evil.
I own a 1934 Tula hex-receiver Mosin Nagant. Kicks like a mule! To shoot them at ranges in CA you have to buy non-magnetic ammo, which is harder to find at surplus prices (but it can be found).
I also bought a Ruger 10/22 earlier today so I can practice shooting on the cheap, give the ladies something that won't dislocate their shoulder, and possibly hunt jackrabbit/squirrels. Now I have to wait 10 days thanks to California's obnoxious laws.
If ammo is becoming a problem, you can look into reloading, or find a buddy who reloads. A lot of people in the community do so in order to stave off a lot of the costs associated with regular shooting
7.62x54r isn't practical to reload due to the funky primers, and surplus is so plentiful that there really isn't a need to reload. Once I get an AR or deer rifle I'll definitely start reloading.
On July 08 2011 11:02 OsoVega wrote: Right now I own five guns.
I bought an AR-15 as a general purpose rifle as well as to mod. My set up right now is very similar to the one in this picture but without a foregrip/bi-pod and an aim-point red dot. + Show Spoiler +
My only pistol is a Springfield 1911. It's a bit more difficult to get pistols in Canada but the nice thing about the 1911 is that it isn't neutered by the 10 round mag limit for pistols that we have here. Also, even though the design is over 100 years old it still, in many ways competes with modern pistols. Mine is identical to this but I have a different style of wood grips on it. + Show Spoiler +
For anyone at all interested in firearms I don't think there is any reason not to own a Mosin Nagant. You can get them for around $100 depending on where you live, so it's probably close to the best value you can possibly get for a firearm. + Show Spoiler +
I have a Ruger 10/22 and I think it's one of the best 22.'s you can get and is also great value. It's also fun to have 30 round mags as center fire semi-auto mags for long guns are limited to 5, here. + Show Spoiler +
My home defense weapon is a Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights. I keep 1 round of #4 buckshot and 00 buckshot behind it next to it (not allowed to keep it in it) in a speed loader. + Show Spoiler +
At some point when I have the money, I plan on getting some kind of revolver and a Lee Enfield at some point.
If you want to criticize gun ownership or talk about gun control, in this thread, don't. Every gun owner has heard it a thousand times before and that's not what this thread is for. Don't respond to it either. Feel free to ask about gun ownership, i.e. price, why we own guns, the process of getting them, etc.
Question to the OP. Are you from the south by any chance? I went to Nashville to visit one of my college friends and he had hella guns. I think I saw 3 shotguns and a few revolvers. He says he hunts squirrels and rabbits and eats them. I would have liked to do the same but we were running low on time.
I'm from Canada. I guess I'm from the south part of my country but pretty much everyone is.
On July 08 2011 11:05 StayFrosty wrote: That nagant looks pretty sweet. Are you from Ontario? Regardless what's the process in acquiring a license to purchase/own Assault Rifles and Pistols?
On July 08 2011 11:05 StayFrosty wrote: That nagant looks pretty sweet. Are you from Ontario? Regardless what's the process in acquiring a license to purchase/own Assault Rifles and Pistols?
On July 08 2011 11:05 StayFrosty wrote: That nagant looks pretty sweet. Are you from Ontario? Regardless what's the process in acquiring a license to purchase/own Assault Rifles and Pistols?
I'm from Manitoba.
Where in manitoba? :D:D:D
I'm pretty close to U of M.
Lol yeah I am 5 minutes away. How do you own that many guns? o.o
On July 08 2011 11:05 StayFrosty wrote: That nagant looks pretty sweet. Are you from Ontario? Regardless what's the process in acquiring a license to purchase/own Assault Rifles and Pistols?
I'm from Manitoba.
Where in manitoba? :D:D:D
I'm pretty close to U of M.
Lol yeah I am 5 minutes away. How do you own that many guns? o.o
I went through the regular processes to get a license and then, over time, bought them.
I have a Beretta CX4 Storm which is very fun for target shooting. It is also in .40S&W.
My pops has the PX4 which is the pistol and it came with some nice phosphorescent iron sights. Also in .40 and is very fun to shoot.
I would love to own a Sig Sauer P228 or P226 (My friend has a beautiful one, so jealous). I'd like to try a Jericho 941 in .357sig to see if I like the pistol and the caliber.
i own a ak-74 just have red dot on it(fun to take to the range and rip through ammo) savage 30-06(for deer hunting) mosin nagant m1938 carbine(fun gun to plink with)
also looking to buy a handgun either a glock 17 or FN Five seven
Ok, so the MSRP on a more basic Remmington 700 is $700-$800. A store nearby me is selling them for $2000. Is is generally grossly more expensive to buy firearms in Canada than to import from elsewhere? Should I try to purchase online? :S
I don't have any guns but I just recently turned 18 and I would like to change that and i live in idaho the most gun friendly state ever so its pretty cool. that ar is sick. that mosin looks awesome, and for only a hundred bucks? you'd have to go to a pawn shop or something like that i would guess.
Well mainly, having an on topic discussion which this mostly has been other than a couple posts and even those posts have some on topic responses.
It's 6am in Europe.
I don't have much hope for this thread 5 hours from now. But we'll see. TBH Iooking at the last one I would rather close it than spend hours moderating a flame war.
The europeans are coming! The europeans are coming!
On July 08 2011 15:21 KaBoom300 wrote: I don't have any guns but I just recently turned 18 and I would like to change that and i live in idaho the most gun friendly state ever so its pretty cool. that ar is sick. that mosin looks awesome, and for only a hundred bucks? you'd have to go to a pawn shop or something like that i would guess.
I got mine at a Big 5! Almost every sizable gun dealer has at least one, in my experience, and they usually come with the kit they were issued with (tools, bayonet, etc). You just have to know what traits to look for.
Good qualities are: -Good muzzle crown -Hexagonal receiver (as opposed to round) -Pre-war construction (check the receiver) -General lack of rust, pitting, etc
On July 08 2011 15:33 aeoliant wrote: haha this thread is a list of people I WONT be robbing...
but on topic I've been really interested in target shooting recently... how hard is it to get a gun in canada?
As far as I know, there's some sort of registration process associated with every gun you purchase. As long as you have a clean record, it should be pretty straightforward
On July 08 2011 15:21 KaBoom300 wrote: I don't have any guns but I just recently turned 18 and I would like to change that and i live in idaho the most gun friendly state ever so its pretty cool. that ar is sick. that mosin looks awesome, and for only a hundred bucks? you'd have to go to a pawn shop or something like that i would guess.
I got mine at a Big 5! Almost every sizable gun dealer has at least one, in my experience, and they usually come with the kit they were issued with (tools, bayonet, etc). You just have to know what traits to look for.
Good qualities are: -Good muzzle crown -Hexagonal receiver (as opposed to round) -Pre-war construction (check the receiver) -General lack of rust, pitting, etc
I would be terrified to have a firearm in the house. A deactivated one might be pretty cool though, but they're pretty expensive to have as decoration or such-
I don't own a gun, and I don't plan to own any. The whole 'I own 5 guns' thing is really foreign to me :-/ Is it just America that's like this? I'm probably pretty swayed from documentaries and such.
On July 08 2011 15:48 Chibithor wrote: I would be terrified to have a firearm in the house. A deactivated one might be pretty cool though, but they're pretty expensive to have as decoration or such-
Terrified? Do you have kids who might hurt themselves with a gun? Not sarcasm, serious question.
On July 08 2011 11:15 Deja Thoris wrote: I don't own any guns.
I don't plan to own any guns.
Also, when I was in the army we got shouted at for calling them guns. It's rifle / pistol / shotgun / whatever - collectively they are firearms. I dunno if its the same in gun culture but if you go to a ships captain and say "nice boat" you will not be smiled upon.
That's quite strange, gun/boat are correct terms it seems, so it's just that they prefer you to call them by their more specific names?
Also, I have always wondered about people who have interest in collecting guns (like kahuna said, was it for the safety, specific situation, or some other interest?), but after reading the first page, I forgot there are shooting ranges where you can use them for fun xD
On July 08 2011 16:24 lithiumdeuteride wrote: I aspire to own a gun which shoots out other guns as ammunition. However, none of those other guns will be loaded. I don't want to hurt anyone.
On July 08 2011 11:08 Kahuna. wrote: Why do you own guns?
I too am curious to hear this.
Not in a "omg you're so terrible for owning a gun you monster" kind of way...more power to you
but I'm genuinely curious as to the attraction of physically owning a gun, especially if you do not live somewhere where you can use it every day. I imagine a gun range is a reasonable place to go to fire a gun, but can you go to them quite often, is it a significant time investment?
Just curious whether they are bought mostly for the sake of collecting. For example, for a period of a couple years I played the ocarina. I bought a LOT of ocarinas. None of them was strictly necessary past the first one as they all had roughly equal sound qualities, but I just liked owning lots of different ones. Is it similar with guns?
To re-answer the curiosity of why some people like guns, it's usually more the case that the hobby marksmanship is enjoyed. I generally have pretty poor eyesight but for some reason have always been an amazing shot, and I've always found practicing my aim to feel rewarding.
I've got a single action colt peacekeeper(nickle) that fires .22lr or magnum (changeable barrels), I'm saving up for the .22 colt remake of the m4 (notice the .22 pattern haha, ♥ nearly free ammo, and I don't exactly need more power than to shoot through a peice of paper with a target drawn on it)
And of course one day I'd like to own a 1911 (or two), to which I'd like to say happy 100th anniversary!
oo yeah, also practice archery though I'm sure my bows don't count in this thread haha. You can have a ton of fun with a $50 bow from a sporting goods store and a big foam block.
As a side observation, if guns weren't fun, toy guns wouldn't exist ;D
On July 08 2011 11:08 Kahuna. wrote: Why do you own guns?
I too am curious to hear this.
Not in a "omg you're so terrible for owning a gun you monster" kind of way...more power to you
but I'm genuinely curious as to the attraction of physically owning a gun, especially if you do not live somewhere where you can use it every day. I imagine a gun range is a reasonable place to go to fire a gun, but can you go to them quite often, is it a significant time investment?
Just curious whether they are bought mostly for the sake of collecting. For example, for a period of a couple years I played the ocarina. I bought a LOT of ocarinas. None of them was strictly necessary past the first one as they all had roughly equal sound qualities, but I just liked owning lots of different ones. Is it similar with guns?
if i'm gonna take a so called educated guess, most/many "gun nuts" have the same reason for owning guns as i have for owning swords and knives.. Its f***in cool.
there are so many different ones. ^^ Hang em on a wall and they look awesome... an asshole in a hat breaks in.. he cant stop me from getting to at least one of them, unless he has a gun Also i think its very cool to be able to use them.. at the moment i train iaido and some light sparring here and there with friends in viking gear ^^ (so far my injuries have come from jujitsu not from being attacked by people wielding sword/ axe and shield)
would i want to hurt/kill a human being with my swords? nope... Could i hurt/kill a human with my swords?.. well yeah.. if i have to. only a few of them is actually sharp!
bottom line.. its a hobby.. we like it.. its fun ^^ and in my eyes more healthy than collecting other peoples toe nails, right? go go gun nuts have fun with them..just don't come around shootin' people now!
On July 08 2011 16:49 Towerlight wrote: To re-answer the curiosity of why some people like guns, it's usually more the case that the hobby marksmanship is enjoyed. I generally have pretty poor eyesight but for some reason have always been an amazing shot, and I've always found practicing my aim to feel rewarding.
I've got a single action colt peacekeeper(nickle) that fires .22lr or magnum (changeable barrels), I'm saving up for the .22 colt remake of the m4 (notice the .22 pattern haha, ♥ nearly free ammo, and I don't exactly need more power than to shoot through a peice of paper with a target drawn on it)
And of course one day I'd like to own a 1911 (or two), to which I'd like to say happy 100th anniversary!
oo yeah, also practice archery though I'm sure my bows don't count in this thread haha. You can have a ton of fun with a $50 bow from a sporting goods store and a big foam block.
As a side observation, if guns weren't fun, toy guns wouldn't exist ;D
To expand on why you would want to own one for recreational and competetive shooting: It is obviously far more comfortable to get better on the exact same piece of iron versus renting guns each time you go shooting. On the long run it should also be less expensive.
For the really casual shooter I don't see a reason to own a gun, for the much higher cost alone.
whats the reason in having a pumpgun or a machine gun ? and how can it be harder to get a pistol then a machine gun ? pistols to ger in germany is hard enough, machine guns halfautomatics pumpguns etc are all illegal
i like guns but its impossible in germany to have them
On July 08 2011 17:00 CoR wrote: whats the reason in having a pumpgun or a machine gun ? and how can it be harder to get a pistol then a machine gun ? pistols to ger in germany is hard enough, machine guns halfautomatics pumpguns etc are all illegal
i like guns but its impossible in germany to have them
If I remember correctly, you have been saying the same completely wrong stuff about Germany in the past. Get to know you own country please before you post false statements about it, it's really embarassing.
On July 08 2011 17:00 CoR wrote: whats the reason in having a pumpgun or a machine gun ? and how can it be harder to get a pistol then a machine gun ? pistols to ger in germany is hard enough, machine guns halfautomatics pumpguns etc are all illegal
i like guns but its impossible in germany to have them
If I remember correctly, you have been saying the same completely wrong stuff about Germany in the past. Get to know you own country please before you post false statements about it, it's really embarassing.
How is this wrong?
Owning any firearms is prohibited unless you use them for sports or hunting (both of which require training and licensing) and even then extremely strict regulations in regards to savekeeping and transportation apply.
Owning automatic and semi-automatic guns however is next to impossible.
But I would like to Not (just) because you can shoot with them (I don't think that I would do shooting for a sport or so), but because i find them quite "beautiful" as an object
I like the look of an AK47 or an M4A1 very much, and yes, I wanna shoot with them if I would own one
On July 08 2011 17:00 CoR wrote: whats the reason in having a pumpgun or a machine gun ? and how can it be harder to get a pistol then a machine gun ? pistols to ger in germany is hard enough, machine guns halfautomatics pumpguns etc are all illegal
i like guns but its impossible in germany to have them
If I remember correctly, you have been saying the same completely wrong stuff about Germany in the past. Get to know you own country please before you post false statements about it, it's really embarassing.
How is this wrong?
Owning any firearms is prohibited unless you use them for sports or hunting (both of which require training and licensing) and even then extremely strict regulations in regards to savekeeping and transportation apply.
Owning automatic and semi-automatic guns however is next to impossible.
So how is it "impossible"? And you are wrong, owning semi-automatic guns is no issue at all beyong getting your license.
On a serious note, just had a fun 4th of july weekend shooting a glock at the range we have at our cabin. In addition, im not sure what model, but we also shot clays with a short barrel, folding stock, pump shotgun (not recomended for clays lol, ouch)
If anyone in washington state is interested in surviving the zombie apocalypse im your guy. family owns their fair share of guns (~60ish)
currently own a Kel-Tec PF9, have for about 2 years now..I also have a CWP(concealed weapon permit) and carry every day.
How did you get a concealed weapon permit in the U.S.? O.O
It varies from state to state. for instance as of 8 days ago here in Wyoming anyone over the age of 21 can legally conceal carry, no permit required.
Before that however all you had to do was have taken some sort of gun safety course and apply for it at a police department, and more or less anyone with no criminal record could get one.
On July 08 2011 17:39 Marke wrote: pepole with guns kills pepole. :/
Guns don't kill people! :D
ahh, should add some value and get "on-topic" I just don't know about guns. There has never been anything good coming out of them. And sersiously, the protection arguments are just stupid in my opinion. Less weapons -> less protection needed. just my 2 cents
I'm not a huge gun ownership fan, and being in in Australia it is hard to get your hands on anything more than a bolt action (iirc).
But I have never heard someone who shot a gun at a firing range or on a farm say that it wasn't awesomely fun. Guns are good fun, even if I would never own one. Maybe one day I'll get into target shooting.
IZHMASH Saiga converted by Arsenal Inc. SGL21 chambered in 7.62x39. Notably, IZ makes the Russian military weapons, so this is as close to real Russian mil-spec AK as a normal US civilian can get. My baby here is wearing a blackhark 3 point sling. Quick release, adjustment all that jazz. I keep thinking about dressing her up and making her tacticool but I think I might just keep this one as is and get a project one down the line. This baby don't need makeup. Btw, I got this one over the sgl 31 in 5.45x39 because that chambering is 1) more expensive in america. and 2) a shittier round in terms of terminal ballistics, sure it isn't as nice in terms of weight and trajectory but I can still hit steel plates out to 200 ezpz with the standard irons.
The AR is actually a S&W M&P15-22. It's the .22lr chambering of the S&W M&P15 which is of course, the Smith and Wesson version of the AR15 / M4 / M16 family. It's only real use is that of a plinking gun, .22 is cheap. The cool thing and the reason I picked this .22 longarm is because it's a tack driver out to 100 yards (with the right /non cheap/ ammo i've gotten 5 shot submoa groups), as well as the same exact functional controls as real AR's. As of this writing, no other AR platform chambered in .22lr has functional controls that work exactly as a 'real' AR chambered in .223 / 5.56 Nato. It's a pretty cool training tool to teach newbies because there's very little recoil. It's more accurate then .22lr uppers for AR 15's too.
The last is a 4th gen glock 17. Yes the 9mm chambering. Modern defense ammo make 9mm more effective then .45. Yes I just started the 9/.45 debate. xD. Trijicon night sights and a Glock light on it. I should have gotten the TLR-3 because they actually make non-custom holsters for that. But then again, it's not like I can carry in this state anyways. Who knows, by this time next year I might be able to. This is pretty much my go to gun for home defense because the AK is for fun (although I suppose it could be for srs business... but I'd prefer for that to not happen until I can get another one all tactical'ed out.). Not to mention it would shoot through way too much. No need to shoot the bad guy and the people next door.... .22lr can't be guaranteed to stop a person fast enough.
Future guns planned: Mossburg 500 or 590. Probably put a light on it, and a side saddle on the left hand side. Then it would probably be kept in the closet in 'cruiser safe' (tube full chamber empty) with #4. Then this would be my go to HD gun.
Remington 700. Just something about this.. It's kind of legendary in itself too. I'm nowhere near accurate enough right now and the rifle would outshoot me but it would be cool to have the tools (if not the skills...yet) to reach out and touch something. I'm not quite sure what chambering I want it in yet. Kind of thinking .308 but I might do 30-06 or perhaps something heavier then either of them. It would be such a sense of accomplishment for me to hit a plate at a 1000 yards. It might not be the best precision rifle out there, but it's good enough for tons of people and just the legendaryness of it makes me want one.
Khar CM9. Once this makes it through the review board and is approved for sale in my state I might pick one up. Or maybe wait until a few of those court cases I have been watching go through. Either way, it's quite nearly the best last ditch holdout handgun there is right now. Everything smaller is chambered for crappy rounds, everything larger is probably too big to really be a holdout gun.
I'm fairly certain that at some point I will get these 3. Others of note that I'm likely to get eventually...
Some sort of 'real' AR. My friend has one chambered in 5.45. A few others have em in 5.56. Be cool to join the club and stuff so I'm looking at BCM AR's. Or maybe if the price comes down and all the issues get worked out an ACR. Or SCAR. I guess it'd be cool to have a 'good guy' rifle. I don't know. For some reason I just like the AK platform more. Kind of why I like the glock over the 1911 I guess. It's not as sexy looking, but it just pure simplicity and function. That's kind of sexy in itself. And then I can always be guaranteed that they go bang when the trigger gets pulled. I laugh the look on my friends faces sometimes when they have issues with their AR's and then tell them that i've had 2500+ rounds though my AK with no maintenance and no failures(I don't shoot corrosive, but the stuff I do shoot is pretty dirty anyways.)
M14 or a mini14 or M1 garand. Just another family that's interesting. I'm leaning towards a mini14 at this very moment, but I keep waffling between which one I really want most. Maybe given enough time and money I'd get one of each.
Beretta 92fs. Probably in black, although every now and then I'm tempted into the chrome ones. Yay john woo. Not a fan of loading the mags because for some reason I tend to rub up on the front lip which hurts a lot more then it does when I load the glock mags. But for some reason, even with the bigger grips (i've got small hands) I can shoot faster with it. Probably because it's heavier which absorbs more of the recoil. That and the DA/SA trigger is kind of cool. That and the 45 degree loading method which means you dont need to hit the slide release. For some reason that nerds me out.
I'd love to say I would stop at a family of 10. But ....man collecting gets addicting. GOTTA CATCH EM ALL.
On July 08 2011 17:39 Marke wrote: pepole with guns kills pepole. :/
While i strongly oppose guns, too, the sad part is that people managed to do that even before firearms were invented. People kill people.
Anyways, enough off-topic.
But some of those guns here are designed to kill a lot of people very fast. So possessing those guns states "I can kill a lot of people very fast". What are the regulations in canada to get one of this automatic guns? Do you consider them safe (Safe as in "I'm a sane guy, knowing what I do, but this other kid?")?
On July 08 2011 16:49 Towerlight wrote: To re-answer the curiosity of why some people like guns, it's usually more the case that the hobby marksmanship is enjoyed. I generally have pretty poor eyesight but for some reason have always been an amazing shot, and I've always found practicing my aim to feel rewarding.
I've got a single action colt peacekeeper(nickle) that fires .22lr or magnum (changeable barrels), I'm saving up for the .22 colt remake of the m4 (notice the .22 pattern haha, ♥ nearly free ammo, and I don't exactly need more power than to shoot through a peice of paper with a target drawn on it)
And of course one day I'd like to own a 1911 (or two), to which I'd like to say happy 100th anniversary!
oo yeah, also practice archery though I'm sure my bows don't count in this thread haha. You can have a ton of fun with a $50 bow from a sporting goods store and a big foam block.
As a side observation, if guns weren't fun, toy guns wouldn't exist ;D
To expand on why you would want to own one for recreational and competetive shooting: It is obviously far more comfortable to get better on the exact same piece of iron versus renting guns each time you go shooting. On the long run it should also be less expensive.
For the really casual shooter I don't see a reason to own a gun, for the much higher cost alone.
Depending on how casual we are talking about, yes. But renting guns gets expensive. Depending on what you rent, if you go to the range more then 20 times in your entire life it is cheaper to just buy it. For that firearm at least.
I think for me, it's a mixture of all possible reasons. A right not exercised is one you might as well not have. Marksmanship is a challenge. People get tricked by TV and video games into thinking that shooting is insanely easy. It really isn't. 15 feet isn't far away. Try punching out the X ring. Not quite as easy as it looks. Then you push distances farther back and every little error gets more pronounced. Then you add in movement, reactive targets, no shoot targets, etc. Go look at some IDPA videos on youtube. Fun stuff.
Then of course, the collection aspect. It's just cool to have them. It's kind of like collecting anything else. People who arn't necessarily into it won't be able to understand the differences between this or that exactly and why this one is different from that one and stuff. Like I think knives are cool and all, and I own a few, but when I talk to people who collect them they start saying all this stuff and its like 'wuut? i dont get it.' I think a lot of it is kind of pedigree or history of the model crossed with practicality for me.
It's likely that none of the guns that people have posted that they own in this thread are automatic. Automatic military style weapons are either made semi-auto or converted into semi-auto's for civilian sale. Automatic weapons are hard to get and exorbitantly expensive in the US and can only be acquired through inheritance in Canada.
Shit, I never knew that the Mosin Nagant is so dirt cheap. My dream gun is an AK-47, though I doubt I'll ever get one :p. However, for a pistol I want a Magnum. Those classic six-shooters look so sexy...
On July 08 2011 20:07 edc wrote: Shit, I never knew that the Mosin Nagant is so dirt cheap. My dream gun is an AK-47, though I doubt I'll ever get one :p. However, for a pistol I want a Magnum. Those classic six-shooters look so sexy...
AK types are relatively cheap if you arnt worried about quality. WASR's are like 4-500ish depending on where you are.
My friend has an AK 47. I've never really understood the appeal of the gun, aside from i guess it's famous / infamous history. Then again i never shot the thing
First off: I'm 100% against gun ownership and I think it's stupid as hell. DON'T COMMENT, I just wanted it mentioned first.
I would love to own an AK47. Not because I have any need of a gun at all, but for its history. It's an icon. I use it all the time in games featuring it such as CS and Black ops. It's just downright cool and it would be sweet to try shooting one to feel the kick.
Of course, that shit is banned hardcore in Sweden, ain't gonna happen.
On July 08 2011 20:07 edc wrote: Shit, I never knew that the Mosin Nagant is so dirt cheap. My dream gun is an AK-47, though I doubt I'll ever get one :p. However, for a pistol I want a Magnum. Those classic six-shooters look so sexy...
AK types are relatively cheap if you arnt worried about quality. WASR's are like 4-500ish depending on where you are.
Go to an unstable third country such as Pakistan. You can get a copy-cat AK47 for less than 50 dollars.
On July 08 2011 20:07 edc wrote: Shit, I never knew that the Mosin Nagant is so dirt cheap. My dream gun is an AK-47, though I doubt I'll ever get one :p. However, for a pistol I want a Magnum. Those classic six-shooters look so sexy...
AK types are relatively cheap if you arnt worried about quality. WASR's are like 4-500ish depending on where you are.
On July 08 2011 11:08 Kahuna. wrote: Why do you own guns?
shooting range is fun? hobbies? collections...?
Oh sorry, I was asking the person who posted the OP directly. But yeh, those reasons seem pretty cool. Are those generally the reasons for owning them? Also, to gun owners in general, I'm wondering if there are any gun owners who own guns solely for the purpose of protection. And, what kinds of things contribute to the desire for having this level of protection, since not everyone feels that they need that much protection during their everyday lives. Is it possibly the neighbourhood you live in... i.e. Lots of robberies and break-ins in your region? Or is it just a general sense of extra safety that you feel you need? So yeh, more along the psychology behind owning guns...
Oh, and what is "grandfathering"?
grandfathering comes into play if you owned the gun before whatever law was passed. Like in the US the week before the automatic weapon ban was passed my uncle bought like 10 automatic weapons and hes legally allowed to have them because they were purchased before hand.
On July 08 2011 20:07 edc wrote: Shit, I never knew that the Mosin Nagant is so dirt cheap. My dream gun is an AK-47, though I doubt I'll ever get one :p. However, for a pistol I want a Magnum. Those classic six-shooters look so sexy...
AK types are relatively cheap if you arnt worried about quality. WASR's are like 4-500ish depending on where you are.
you used to be able to get a WASR for like $300
sure, but not in my state. xD. I'd also note that WASR quality has improved too soz... you know, get what you pay for.
In the end, the AK isn't going to cost more then a magnum and it might even cost less.
On July 08 2011 20:07 edc wrote: Shit, I never knew that the Mosin Nagant is so dirt cheap. My dream gun is an AK-47, though I doubt I'll ever get one :p. However, for a pistol I want a Magnum. Those classic six-shooters look so sexy...
AK types are relatively cheap if you arnt worried about quality. WASR's are like 4-500ish depending on where you are.
Go to an unstable third country such as Pakistan. You can get a copy-cat AK47 for less than 50 dollars.
Oh for sure. But you arn't going to get those prices in western countries. Only in places with surpus military or abandoned military hardware etc. Even old combloc countries will cost more. All in all, the trip there wouldn't be worth the sale price.
I have a small arsenal. I love shooting, and used to hunt a lot, and as a consequence have quite a few guns, and am a really good shot with most of them.
Lets see.
Remington 700(30/06)
Minus the tripod and sling. This is an awesome rifle, From the prone position, I can put 3 rounds into a 3 inch bullseye at 100 yards. Standard marine sniper rifle, btw, although they don't use the 30/06 round.
German K-98 Mauser Falls into the same category as the Nagant in OP. Dirt cheap, and really cool showpiece. I feel like I own a piece of history.
Smith&Wesson .45 Another excellent firearm. Quite small, but fairly accurate, it definitely packs a lot of punch in a small size.
Winchester .22 bolt-action rifle.(mine has a scope) Simple but effective. Cheap and fun to shoot. Maybe it's just because I've shot it several thousand times, but under 50 yards, I would choose it over any other weapon I own if I had to be perfectly accurate. I can hit a squirrel in the head at 50 yards.
.22 magnum Derringer Cheap piece of crap, but it looks pretty cool. I wouldn't trust this gun to do anything, certainly not self-defense.
Winchester 30/30 Very high on the cool factor. Mine has a silver plated receiver. This was a pure investment on my part, I bought it from someone desperate for money, for $120. It's easily worth $500.
Spanish Mauser Random rifle a friend of mine gave me. It was all rusted up and in terrible shape when I got it, but I restored it quite nicely, and it's a pretty unusual piece, so I think it's pretty cool. I've never fired it, and never will. I just don't trust it.
Shooting firearms is very fun, and collecting them is also very fun. I've been shooting since I was about 10, have taught my brothers and sisters how to shoot while quite young, and have never had any accidents. I am very, very careful, and keep everything but my Mausers locked up(no ammo for the Mausers). I fail to see how owning and using firearms responsibly is any more dangerous a hobby, than, say, 4 wheeling, or sky-diving, or any of about a million other things that you TL'ers wouldn't think twice about doing, or at least wouldn't look down on anyone for doing.
Edit: Also, reading back through, I saw someone commenting on the the Mosin Nagant's recoil. And lol'ed. I've fired my Mauser a couple times, and it kicks pretty hard, especially considering the butt-plate is cold hard metal. My 30/06 kicks harder, but has a nice cushioned butt, so it isn't rough at all. I don't see how those Germans fired this thing all day, I had bruises after 5 rounds or so. Shooting it all day must be hell.
On July 08 2011 20:07 edc wrote: Shit, I never knew that the Mosin Nagant is so dirt cheap. My dream gun is an AK-47, though I doubt I'll ever get one :p. However, for a pistol I want a Magnum. Those classic six-shooters look so sexy...
AK types are relatively cheap if you arnt worried about quality. WASR's are like 4-500ish depending on where you are.
Get one made by Arsenal and call it a day. Great quality at a relatively cheap price.
As for myself, I'd rather not list what I have. But I do want a Saiga 12 some day.
I almost certainly won't own a gun let alone fire one for a very long time, but say I moved to America sometime, or went to a firing range on while on holiday (can you do that? or do you need some kind of license which takes a long time to get?) I would love to have just some kind of small, reliable, accurate scoped rifle, to fire at some long distance targets for recreation
On July 08 2011 21:33 BlindGamer wrote: I almost certainly won't own a gun let alone fire one for a very long time, but say I moved to America sometime, or went to a firing range on while on holiday (can you do that? or do you need some kind of license which takes a long time to get?) I would love to have just some kind of small, reliable, accurate scoped rifle, to fire at some long distance targets for recreation
The only gun I own is a Heritage Arms Rough Rider .22 LR revolver. Its a lot of fun to shoot, and good to get the feel for shooting and caring for a firearm. Plus .22lr is really cheap. Not particularly useful though, too hard to aim to use for hunting (though would do okay if you were worried about snakes while outdoors) and too slow to load to be useful for home defense (I'm not the type to keep a loaded gun around).
I'm moving back to a city soon and the area I will live is fairly rough, so I'm probably going to pick up a good 9mm or .40 handgun. Any recommendations? I feel like Glocks are probably the best quality for their price, though I've been eyeing Sig Sauers. H&K's as well but they are much more expensive.
On July 08 2011 21:45 eXeRicH wrote: I dont OWN a gun but i USE them quite often and it's great fun to shoot with them. Actually, I get paid for it. Guess what I am
You're actually allowed to own and use assault rifles in North America? They are banned here afaik with the exception of collectors but even those should have been modified so that they can't be fired I think.
Anyway I don't own any guns nor do I plan on getting any but used RK-62 in army. It's fairly similar to AK-47, basically Finlands own version of it.
Also used 81mm mortar almost as much as the rifle but thats offtopic I guess. :D
Where does one get a "dirt cheap" Mosin-Nagant, the only one i saw on the site from the picture in the OP was like 1500$ Though I guess some people could consider that dirt cheap.
Any other places with cheaper ones? Personally one of the only guns id enjoy owning.
I'm planning on buying a Tarantula 01660 for the summer to fool around with friends and cousins. Gonna be a great time.
Some stats:
Price - $20 Weight - 828.00 g Range - 30 ft. 2 in. Reload Time - 23.6 sec. Reservoir Volume - 1700.00 mL (daaaamn)
Pros Nice styling, clean lines, and good solid feel to the soaker. Pump free use and balanced design allows for possibilities of using multiple blasters simultaneously. Rechargable battery pack offers multiple-fills worth of charge. Good reservoir size
Cons Relies on motor to generate stream; lack of charge means no more stream. Relatively small output for a blaster its size; no nozzle selection. No strap (kinda sucks)
On July 08 2011 22:18 Vaelone wrote: You're actually allowed to own and use assault rifles in North America?
Owing automatic weapons in America, while possible, is difficult and extremely expensive. I think most of the "assault rifles" you see here that people own are semi-automatics.
On July 08 2011 22:19 arb wrote: Where does one get a "dirt cheap" Mosin-Nagant, the only one i saw on the site from the picture in the OP was like 1500$ Though I guess some people could consider that dirt cheap.
Any other places with cheaper ones? Personally one of the only guns id enjoy owning.
Head over to aimsurplus.com, they sell Mosin Nagants for around $80-$100. You can pay $10 more for a handpicked one. I personally got mine from this site and it arrived in superb condition. All parts matched and were original. They also sell cans of 440rnd Russian surplus ammo for $70 which is a great deal.
EDIT: It seems the 91/30s are sold out, they were on sale for $69. No wonder + Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2011 22:19 arb wrote: Where does one get a "dirt cheap" Mosin-Nagant, the only one i saw on the site from the picture in the OP was like 1500$ Though I guess some people could consider that dirt cheap.
Any other places with cheaper ones? Personally one of the only guns id enjoy owning.
Head over to aimsurplus.com, they sell Mosin Nagants for around $80-$100. You can pay $10 more for a handpicked one. I personally got mine from this site and it arrived in superb condition. All parts matches and were original. They also sell cans of 440rnd Russian surplus ammo for $70 which is a great deal.
EDIT: It seems the 91/30s are sold out, they were on sale for $69. No wonder + Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2011 22:18 Vaelone wrote: You're actually allowed to own and use assault rifles in North America? They are banned here afaik with the exception of collectors but even those should have been modified so that they can't be fired I think.
Yeah but there are regulations for it. The average person can get one in semi-auto only. And the rules are sometimes different depending on the state or even county you live in.
I just bought my first gun a couple weeks ago, the Taurus PT92 AFS. It's a 9mm pistol that is basically identical to the Beretta M9 (in call of duty). The only difference is the location of the safety. Its on the slide of the beretta while its on the frame for the taurus. I like the frame mounted much better!
You see, gun owners, I won't keep it on topic, because I find offensive your brag of owning guns. But I wont rant here, and based on a previous responder:
On July 08 2011 11:13 dEphria wrote: So you use them to fight for something specific (territorial expansion, economic or political power) or just shoot people for shits and giggles?
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and on this data:
As of 2009, the United States has a population of 307 million people. * Based on production data from firearm manufacturers, there are roughly 300 million firearms owned by civilians in the United States - http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp
I don't own rifles because I like them, I shoot for a competetive sport. And I own the Stgw 90 assault rifle because of the obligatory military service in Switzerland.
Sturmgewehr 90 or SIG550. Almost every swiss male owns one, I use mine for 300m shooting sport.
My home defense weapon is a Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights.
Against what do you defend? Here in Germany we got police... alarm systems and dogs for home "defense"..
Specifically, home invaders. Police are at least 3 minutes away for nearly everyone and that completely makes them irrelevant in terms of defending your home. Alarm systems and dogs won't always scare a home invader away. For alarm systems, it's not like they don't know you're calling 911 anyway. Also, a gun doesn't need to be cleaned or fed and there is nothing wrong with having a plan for the worst case scenario. + Show Spoiler +
There are more videos like this on youtube if you care to look.
In the US basically anyone can "own" a gun. What you can do is get an adult to purchase the weapon in their name and then they can gift it to you, legaly, even if you are underage. Adults need a clean record for official purchases. Lots of paper work aswell.
As for the ARs, they can only be semi-auto unless licensed otherwise. They are also trying to limit magazine capacatiy to <10 and make the magazines fixed magazines (you can't remove them from the reveiver). Laws differ from state to state, but that is generally how it goes in the US.
I don't own my firearms for personal safety, (although they will be nice to have if something goes wrong) I own them for sport and for the joy I get when I take them out to the range.
A mossberg 500 with a pistol grip, a picatinny rail, a foldout tactical stock and a 12 inch barrel on it. Its ammo tube holds 8 shells +1 in the chamber. Currrently loaded with 000 buckshot (those shells contain 15 pellets that are slightly smaller than 9 millimeter bullets, great for any kind of zombie holocaust)
A mossberg 935 magnum semi automatic shotgun with a 24 inch barrel. Dont know if this is kosher for this thread but if anyone who lives around the state of georgia is looking to purchase a semi auto shotgun PM me ill give you a really good deal i just dont need it anymore now that I have the other one.
Also if you guys want to check out some bad ass guns go to the freedom arms company http://www.freedomarms.com/ Anyone who owns a 1911 full size .45 should check it out, they make a .50 caliber conversion kit for the 1911 that is the same size as full size .45, and uses a .50 caliber GI round as opposed to the desert eagles .50 caliber AE, the GI round has slightly lower velocity and much lower kick. It is a much more manageble round that will take down 14 foot tall bears or anything else you could possibly need to. TLDR : if you have a 1911 .45 go to above link and get the conversion to make it .50 caliber
What the hell is wrong with some of you guys? Reading some posts in this thread: "Guns are pretty" "I love guns" "Shooting is so cool"..
Wtf guys, guns are killing machines designed to kill humans as fast as possible, it is their sole purpose! And it's not even about hunting in this thread (weak excuse anyway), no you guys openly love shotguns and automatic fire weapons.. That is just sick and embarrassing, some people never learn from the past it seems.
I'm glad that I live in europe where it's very hard to get guns and impossible to get "mass murder" weapons.
Wow, just wow. I´m not gonna be a douche and start whining about firearm laws. But comming from Denmark where firearms are very restricted, so restricted that you can only own a firearm if you have a hunting license or you´re in the army.. and the paperwork involved is pretty nasty and you have to have them locked up and have the ammonition locked up seperately from the weapon. Hell, you need a special permit just have a knife over 6 cm long. It´s just so surreal that people have that kind of firepower in their homes. But the guns do look sweet tho ^^
On July 08 2011 23:47 darkwon wrote: What the hell is wrong with some of you guys? Reading some posts in this thread: "Guns are pretty" "I love guns" "Shooting is so cool"..
Wtf guys, guns are killing machines designed to kill humans as fast as possible, it is their sole purpose! And it's not even about hunting in this thread (weak excuse anyway), no you guys openly love shotguns and automatic fire weapons.. That is just sick and embarrassing, some people never learn from the past it seems.
I'm glad that I live in europe where it's very hard to get guns and impossible to get "mass murder" weapons.
I respect your view, but I personally enjoy my firearms for the sport. I go to the range and compete. I know there are many others like me. I guess firearms are second nature to me, I grew up and currently live near Quantico (very large Marine Corps base). Everyone around me is either Army, Marine Corps, Police, or something of the sort. The ironic part is there are so many firearms around me yet I live in one of the safest counties in the country.
On July 08 2011 23:47 darkwon wrote: What the hell is wrong with some of you guys? Reading some posts in this thread: "Guns are pretty" "I love guns" "Shooting is so cool"..
Wtf guys, guns are killing machines designed to kill humans as fast as possible, it is their sole purpose! And it's not even about hunting in this thread (weak excuse anyway), no you guys openly love shotguns and automatic fire weapons.. That is just sick and embarrassing, some people never learn from the past it seems.
I'm glad that I live in europe where it's very hard to get guns and impossible to get "mass murder" weapons.
I'm sorry, but just because you can't see what others see in a gun (i.e. an interesting mechanical device and a sporting tool) you don't get to insult people. Keep your opinion to yourself, this thread is about guns, not weepy anti-gun paroles.
You forgot one part: interesting mechanical device designed to kill people. And sporting tool? Really? Thats like me racing my car around the block because I enjoy it as a "sporting tool".
You can make up all the excuses you want, but you can't ignore the fact that guns were designed for a single purpose: Kill fast.
And of course can I see the appeal guns have, man I would love to have a jetfighter and do some "sport" with it. Just because something is fun doesn't mean that it's a good idea.
On July 08 2011 23:47 darkwon wrote: What the hell is wrong with some of you guys? Reading some posts in this thread: "Guns are pretty" "I love guns" "Shooting is so cool"..
Wtf guys, guns are killing machines designed to kill humans as fast as possible, it is their sole purpose! And it's not even about hunting in this thread (weak excuse anyway), no you guys openly love shotguns and automatic fire weapons.. That is just sick and embarrassing, some people never learn from the past it seems.
I'm glad that I live in europe where it's very hard to get guns and impossible to get "mass murder" weapons.
What is sick and embarassing is how many people fail to realize that guns dont kill people, people kill people. Owning them is not a problem, neither is buying or selling. There just needs to be restriction and education involved with ownership. Dont be ridiculous.... You've probably never shot one so I can understand why you fail to seethe allure of gun ownership. It's really fun if you ever get the chance to shoot one.
Edit: Im glad you live in Europe too, you'd make a bad American with these kinds of ridiculous views....
The ironic part is there are so many firearms around me yet I live in one of the safest counties in the country.
Theres nothing ironic about it, it just makes perfect sense. Who wants to risk getting shot trying to rob someone or break into someones home? Criminals are looking for easy targets and well armed communities are not it.
What is sick and embarassing is how many people fail to realize that guns dont kill people, people kill people. Owning them is not a problem, neither is buying or selling..
Yeah, my "sporting tool" jetfighter also doesn't kill people, dude! I swear I use it responsibly only, really!
I have met some really great people because of my firearms, albeit from the range, buying/selling, or others that are interested in firearms. What I love most is the deep history behind some of these guns. I also love the maintenance. Taking apart these complex (some very simple) devices and puting them back together squeaky clean is a great feeling.
I can understand the thought proccess of someone who has never been around them or held/shot one before. It can be scary, but there is much more to firearms than the "kill" aspect. Some are beautiful, some are for sport, and some are relics and icons of history. Everyone has different opinions, but in educated and responsible hands they are very interesting and plenty of fun.
Btw, anyone have any experience with the SR1911 made by Ruger? I'm interested and might be purchasing it soon.
Id really appreciate it if people would stop trying to de rail this thread. No one cares if you dont like the fact that we can own guns in the United States. If you notice that is our policy on a lot of things... we really dont care. You can say whatever you want, its not going to change anything. Please start your own thread if you would like to talk about these things.
I'm not here to bash on gun owners i'm just curious. Here in Sweden you are allowed to own guns if you are a registered hunter(may be some other cases im not an expert) but then you got to have the gun split in 2 and have them locked up in different places. I imagine there are different rules in different states but where guns are allowed can you have a fully loaded gun laying around anywhere in you house?
What is sick and embarassing is how many people fail to realize that guns dont kill people, people kill people. Owning them is not a problem, neither is buying or selling..
Yeah, my "sporting tool" jetfighter also doesn't kill people, dude! I swear I use it responsibly only, really!
So you are saying no one can appreciate the history or existence of anything designed for a military purpose? You can't appreciate the artistry of a sword or be impressed by an f-22? Stop the simplistic anti-gun sobbing.
I own a cheaper Remington pump action shotgun which I enjoy using for shooting clays as well as hunting waterfowl. I hope to someday buy a revolver to hunt boar as well as for self defense. Flint is just around the corner and they have one of the highest per capita crime rates in the USA
I own four Kimber 1911's (3 full sized, 1 compact), a P220 Sig Sauer, two Taurus Revolvers (6 1/2" .45 ACP & 2" .38spl), a 12 Gauge Remington Shotgun, an AR-15 with collapsing stock, and a .308 with a decent hunting scope and various accessories. I will probably sell all but 2 of my 1911's when I get a chance though as I do not go shooting/hunting as often as I used to.
On July 09 2011 00:21 DrSeRRoD wrote: I own four Kimber 1911's (3 full sized, 1 compact), a P220 Sig Sauer, two Taurus Revolvers (6 1/2" .45 ACP & 2" .38spl), a 12 Gauge Remington Shotgun, an AR-15 with collapsing stock, and a .308 with a decent hunting scope and various accessories. I will probably sell all but 2 of my 1911's when I get a chance though as I do not go shooting/hunting as often as I used to.
How do you like your compact kimber? Do you use it for concealed carry?
What is sick and embarassing is how many people fail to realize that guns dont kill people, people kill people. Owning them is not a problem, neither is buying or selling..
Yeah, my "sporting tool" jetfighter also doesn't kill people, dude! I swear I use it responsibly only, really!
So you are saying no one can appreciate the history or existence of anything designed for a military purpose? You can't appreciate the artistry of a sword or be impressed by an f-22? Stop the simplistic anti-gun sobbing.
Hey man, no need to be so offensive, of course I understand what's so facsinating about military tools, they are very asthetic and beautiful designs, no fluff or bullshit, just form follows function. Clean slick minimalistic designs, very good I say. They have to be the best design possible or they would mean the death of your country in one of the various wars that happened. I honestly like how they look and would probalby love how they feel and handle if I ever got around to use one. I mean I love the german panzer designs, best things ever created during WW2 in my mind. Also the first jetfighter ever developed and used during a war, the ME-262. Fucking work of art in my opinion and brilliant technical milestone.
BUT that doesn't mean anyone should be allowed to own one of the various killing machines developed by humans for centuries. Because they are really fucking dangerous.
On July 09 2011 00:21 DrSeRRoD wrote: I own four Kimber 1911's (3 full sized, 1 compact), a P220 Sig Sauer, two Taurus Revolvers (6 1/2" .45 ACP & 2" .38spl), a 12 Gauge Remington Shotgun, an AR-15 with collapsing stock, and a .308 with a decent hunting scope and various accessories. I will probably sell all but 2 of my 1911's when I get a chance though as I do not go shooting/hunting as often as I used to.
How do you like your compact kimber? Do you use it for concealed carry?
I love the compact CDP. It has a good weight, has a good slim fit, carries 6+1 with some Wilson Combats and is very easy to conceal. With 185 Grain, the weight is great and the kick is manageable. I have played with 220 grain JHPs as well but preferred the control of the 185s better than the heavier/hotter 220s (which I prefer on my full-sized ones). I also like the Ambi-Safety on it. I originally hated it but came to enjoy it when I did off-hand training in the case that you are injured.
On July 09 2011 00:15 Weson wrote: I'm not here to bash on gun owners i'm just curious. Here in Sweden you are allowed to own guns if you are a registered hunter(may be some other cases im not an expert) but then you got to have the gun split in 2 and have them locked up in different places. I imagine there are different rules in different states but where guns are allowed can you have a fully loaded gun laying around anywhere in you house?
You can as long as you make sure to unload it and put it away before the daily inspections.
On July 08 2011 15:48 Chibithor wrote: I would be terrified to have a firearm in the house. A deactivated one might be pretty cool though, but they're pretty expensive to have as decoration or such-
Terrified? Do you have kids who might hurt themselves with a gun? Not sarcasm, serious question.
I don't, I just wouldn't be comfortable with it. No real reason I guess, just paranoia. Not that I'd have a reason to own one, but even if I did I'd prefer to get by without.
I love the compact CDP. It has a good weight, has a good slim fit, carries 6+1 with some Wilson Combats and is very easy to conceal. With 185 Grain, the weight is great and the kick is manageable. I have played with 220 grain JHPs as well but preferred the control of the 185s better than the heavier/hotter 220s (which I prefer on my full-sized ones). I also like the Ambi-Safety on it. I originally hated it but came to enjoy it when I did off-hand training in the case that you are injured.
Thanks for the info, I had my doubts about kimbers compacts.
OK guys still completely sick of people derailing this thread which was supposed to just be a place where gun owners could read about what other gun owners have and see some cool stuff.
Please if you feel inclined to post anything other than what guns you own or plan to own please go post there. Also If you do feel strongly about this subject, I highly suggest you read my write up about the state I live in Georgia's gun laws, because they are among the most lax and unrestricting in the whole country. Im sure people will find them interesting.
I love the compact CDP. It has a good weight, has a good slim fit, carries 6+1 with some Wilson Combats and is very easy to conceal. With 185 Grain, the weight is great and the kick is manageable. I have played with 220 grain JHPs as well but preferred the control of the 185s better than the heavier/hotter 220s (which I prefer on my full-sized ones). I also like the Ambi-Safety on it. I originally hated it but came to enjoy it when I did off-hand training in the case that you are injured.
Thanks for the info, I had my doubts about kimbers compacts.
Yup, anytime. I must mention that I own the CDP (Custom Defense Pistol) and they are made specifically for carry. I would not give the same review to say, the Target II, which is meant for the range (different sights, more stuff to snag on clothes, etc.).
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
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I grew up in England, and moved to the States at 22 and believed exactly the same lies as most Europeans have been told by their parents; that all Americans are automatically evil and stupid because they have a fascination with weapons that kill people. I've since learned that gun owners are generally very responsible people and, lo and behold, there are a small minority of dumbshit retards out there that ruin the reputation of the rest. Time to grow up.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
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Maybe because you don't have the first clue about responsible gun ownership, or know anyone who is a responsible gun owner? But by all means, continue to mindlessly swallow all your government's propaganda about how guns are all mass killing machines, and that normal people are just too farking stupid to own and operate them responsibly.
One man with a gun can control a thousand without one. So you stick with being one of the thousand, and I'll be the guy with the gun, and we'll both be happy.
I get such a sad face in these threads. So many people that would never even touch a gun because of their bias.....they are missing out on a lot of coolness.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
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Maybe because you don't have the first clue about responsible gun ownership, or know anyone who is a responsible gun owner? But by all means, continue to mindlessly swallow all your government's propaganda about how guns are all mass killing machines, and that normal people are just too farking stupid to own and operate them responsibly.
One man with a gun can control a thousand without one. So you stick with being one of the thousand, and I'll be the guy with the gun, and we'll both be happy.
I get such a sad face in these threads. So many people that would never even touch a gun because of their bias.....they are missing out on a lot of coolness.
So you like to control people with your guns? I'm not even gonna try to counter argument that one.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
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Maybe because you don't have the first clue about responsible gun ownership, or know anyone who is a responsible gun owner? But by all means, continue to mindlessly swallow all your government's propaganda about how guns are all mass killing machines, and that normal people are just too farking stupid to own and operate them responsibly.
One man with a gun can control a thousand without one. So you stick with being one of the thousand, and I'll be the guy with the gun, and we'll both be happy.
I get such a sad face in these threads. So many people that would never even touch a gun because of their bias.....they are missing out on a lot of coolness.
Exactly and thats why USA got the highest death toll due guns..
You live in Sweden according to your profile, but I guess you're swiss right? Is it allowed to own these rifles in Sweden?
It differs from person to person, they generally perform a control if the person in question can have a weapon. Some weapons however are forbidden altogether.
My home defense weapon is a Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights.
Against what do you defend? Here in Germany we got police... alarm systems and dogs for home "defense"..
Specifically, home invaders. Police are at least 3 minutes away for nearly everyone and that completely makes them irrelevant in terms of defending your home. Alarm systems and dogs won't always scare a home invader away. For alarm systems, it's not like they don't know you're calling 911 anyway. Also, a gun doesn't need to be cleaned or fed and there is nothing wrong with having a plan for the worst case scenario. + Show Spoiler +
On July 08 2011 11:05 StayFrosty wrote: That nagant looks pretty sweet. Are you from Ontario? Regardless what's the process in acquiring a license to purchase/own Assault Rifles and Pistols?
On July 08 2011 11:08 Kahuna. wrote: Why do you own guns?
I too am curious to hear this.
Not in a "omg you're so terrible for owning a gun you monster" kind of way...more power to you
but I'm genuinely curious as to the attraction of physically owning a gun, especially if you do not live somewhere where you can use it every day. I imagine a gun range is a reasonable place to go to fire a gun, but can you go to them quite often, is it a significant time investment?
Just curious whether they are bought mostly for the sake of collecting. For example, for a period of a couple years I played the ocarina. I bought a LOT of ocarinas. None of them was strictly necessary past the first one as they all had roughly equal sound qualities, but I just liked owning lots of different ones. Is it similar with guns?
Why do you buy pokemon cards? why do you play starcraft and buy games?
The answer is obvious, its a hobby or sport. I hunt, or just go target shooting. The feeling when you shoot a gun feels pretty good ( not saying i feel like a murderer or anything)
For people who are interested (in canada), call your local firearms shop (wholesale sports, cabellas) for licensing courses. its a half day course, you learn safety, and such. Write a test, and then send your results in to get your license. (will need picture etc etc).
First things first, never shot a gun??? then make your first gun a 10/22 (small caliber rifle) most are semi-auto, no recoil or kickback. really fun and light gun to handle. Ruger 10/22 is the best bang for your buck (literally), also the synthetic savage arms semi auto 10/22 is extremely fun.
as for the mass derailing of this thread, haters gonna hate.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
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I grew up in England, and moved to the States at 22 and believed exactly the same lies as most Europeans have been told by their parents; that all Americans are automatically evil and stupid because they have a fascination with weapons that kill people. I've since learned that gun owners are generally very responsible people and, lo and behold, there are a small minority of dumbshit retards out there that ruin the reputation of the rest. Time to grow up.
loled
If you have a gun for anything but hunting you have a small penis, bout all there is to it. Or at least that's what pops used to say, he had an old shotgun he used for hunting and that shizzle where they throw a disk in the sky and you shoot it down (duno the name in english). I can understand the idea of protection too, though having a gun is more of a risk factor imo.
Unless you're planing a driveby what on earth would you need some of those crazy huge guns...
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
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I grew up in England, and moved to the States at 22 and believed exactly the same lies as most Europeans have been told by their parents; that all Americans are automatically evil and stupid because they have a fascination with weapons that kill people. I've since learned that gun owners are generally very responsible people and, lo and behold, there are a small minority of dumbshit retards out there that ruin the reputation of the rest. Time to grow up.
loled
If you have a gun for anything but hunting you have a small penis, bout all there is to it.
what about shooting sport? it's an olympic sport after all
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
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I grew up in England, and moved to the States at 22 and believed exactly the same lies as most Europeans have been told by their parents; that all Americans are automatically evil and stupid because they have a fascination with weapons that kill people. I've since learned that gun owners are generally very responsible people and, lo and behold, there are a small minority of dumbshit retards out there that ruin the reputation of the rest. Time to grow up.
loled
If you have a gun for anything but hunting you have a small penis, bout all there is to it.
Wow, how childish is that? You think people walk around flaunting their guns in the street like they do their big, flashy Hummer? Bodies of adults, minds of children.
Or at least that's what pops used to say, he had an old shotgun he used for hunting and that shizzle where they throw a disk in the sky and you shoot it down (duno the name in english). I can understand the idea of protection too, though having a gun is more of a risk factor imo.
Unless you're planing a driveby what on earth would you need some of those crazy huge guns...
Maybe you need to read up on a little history to figure out why the founders of the United States decided that the people that just spent several years fighting against and freeing themselves from a tyrannical military force, that demanded taxation without representation, should have the lawful right to have weapons on-hand should it happen again in the future.
There's a reason the Revolutionary War never shows up in British History classes. Because it's a fucking embarrassment and a clue as to what happens when even a so-called democratic government is left to its own devices.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
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I grew up in England, and moved to the States at 22 and believed exactly the same lies as most Europeans have been told by their parents; that all Americans are automatically evil and stupid because they have a fascination with weapons that kill people. I've since learned that gun owners are generally very responsible people and, lo and behold, there are a small minority of dumbshit retards out there that ruin the reputation of the rest. Time to grow up.
loled
If you have a gun for anything but hunting you have a small penis, bout all there is to it.
what about shooting sport? it's an olympic sport after all
Ye but you don't shoot with a machinegun. accidently posted before i was done writing also !
I have a pump shotgun I got when I was younger for when I use to go squirrel hunting. I love the taste of wild game, nothing quite compares. Any one have any experience with duck hunting (and I don't mean the Nintendo version ), that always sounded like such fun.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
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Maybe because you don't have the first clue about responsible gun ownership, or know anyone who is a responsible gun owner? But by all means, continue to mindlessly swallow all your government's propaganda about how guns are all mass killing machines, and that normal people are just too farking stupid to own and operate them responsibly.
One man with a gun can control a thousand without one. So you stick with being one of the thousand, and I'll be the guy with the gun, and we'll both be happy.
I get such a sad face in these threads. So many people that would never even touch a gun because of their bias.....they are missing out on a lot of coolness.
Exactly and thats why USA got the highest death toll due guns..
So explain Switzerland's gun ownership and gun death rate to me then.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
User was temp banned for this post.
I grew up in England, and moved to the States at 22 and believed exactly the same lies as most Europeans have been told by their parents; that all Americans are automatically evil and stupid because they have a fascination with weapons that kill people. I've since learned that gun owners are generally very responsible people and, lo and behold, there are a small minority of dumbshit retards out there that ruin the reputation of the rest. Time to grow up.
loled
If you have a gun for anything but hunting you have a small penis, bout all there is to it. Or at least that's what pops used to say, he had an old shotgun he used for hunting and that shizzle where they throw a disk in the sky and you shoot it down (duno the name in english). I can understand the idea of protection too, though having a gun is more of a risk factor imo.
Unless you're planing a driveby what on earth would you need some of those crazy huge guns...
The same reason people feel the need to own 10 old classic cars, that do nothing but sit in a garage and look pretty.They want to.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
User was temp banned for this post.
Maybe because you don't have the first clue about responsible gun ownership, or know anyone who is a responsible gun owner? But by all means, continue to mindlessly swallow all your government's propaganda about how guns are all mass killing machines, and that normal people are just too farking stupid to own and operate them responsibly.
One man with a gun can control a thousand without one. So you stick with being one of the thousand, and I'll be the guy with the gun, and we'll both be happy.
I get such a sad face in these threads. So many people that would never even touch a gun because of their bias.....they are missing out on a lot of coolness.
Exactly and thats why USA got the highest death toll due guns..
So explain Switzerland's gun ownership and gun death rate to me then.
Guns do not = gun deaths.
High crime and social unrest = gun deaths.
To be honest I think it's a big difference between people who want to own a gun and people who have to store a gun at home. Sure there are "civil" guns in Switzerland too (about 600k), but they are nothing compared to the 1.2 million military guns.
I don't own any guns as of yet, but I do plan to within the next few years. And when I become a home-owner I plan to keep a shotgun around and if possible keep it loaded with non-lethal beanbag rounds.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
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Maybe because you don't have the first clue about responsible gun ownership, or know anyone who is a responsible gun owner? But by all means, continue to mindlessly swallow all your government's propaganda about how guns are all mass killing machines, and that normal people are just too farking stupid to own and operate them responsibly.
One man with a gun can control a thousand without one. So you stick with being one of the thousand, and I'll be the guy with the gun, and we'll both be happy.
I get such a sad face in these threads. So many people that would never even touch a gun because of their bias.....they are missing out on a lot of coolness.
Exactly and thats why USA got the highest death toll due guns..
So explain Switzerland's gun ownership and gun death rate to me then.
Guns do not = gun deaths.
High crime and social unrest = gun deaths.
To be honest I think it's a big difference between people who want to own a gun and people who have to store a gun at home. Sure there are "civil" guns in Switzerland too (about 600k), but they are nothing compared to the 1.2 million military guns.
PS: Switzerland is leading the suicides commited with guns (about 25% of all suicides).
If I wanted to kill myself, a gun is the quickest and easiest way I can think of. Doesn't make it the gun's fault. If I wanted to kill myself, the lack of a gun would not stop me.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
User was temp banned for this post.
Maybe because you don't have the first clue about responsible gun ownership, or know anyone who is a responsible gun owner? But by all means, continue to mindlessly swallow all your government's propaganda about how guns are all mass killing machines, and that normal people are just too farking stupid to own and operate them responsibly.
One man with a gun can control a thousand without one. So you stick with being one of the thousand, and I'll be the guy with the gun, and we'll both be happy.
I get such a sad face in these threads. So many people that would never even touch a gun because of their bias.....they are missing out on a lot of coolness.
Exactly and thats why USA got the highest death toll due guns..
So explain Switzerland's gun ownership and gun death rate to me then.
Guns do not = gun deaths.
High crime and social unrest = gun deaths.
To be honest I think it's a big difference between people who want to own a gun and people who have to store a gun at home. Sure there are "civil" guns in Switzerland too (about 600k), but they are nothing compared to the 1.2 million military guns.
PS: Switzerland is leading the suicides commited with guns (about 25% of all suicides).
If I wanted to kill myself, a gun is the quickest and easiest way I can think of. Doesn't make it the gun's fault. If I wanted to kill myself, the lack of a gun would not stop me.
sorry for OT... There's the problem. Maybe it wouldn't stop most of them, but if there's a gun around it may be easier for someone to kill himself.
I own a M-41 anti-aircraft gun in pastel colors matching my kitchen cupboard. One never knows when Stukas might try to raid one's property. I also have a T-95 Black Eagle but I only roll it out in the summer because salted roads are bad for the tracks.
On July 09 2011 03:40 Kickboxer wrote: I own a M-41 anti-aircraft gun in pastel colors matching my kitchen cupboard. One never knows when Stukas might try to raid one's property. I also have a T-95 Black Eagle but I only roll it out in the summer because salted roads are bad for the tracks.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
User was temp banned for this post.
Maybe because you don't have the first clue about responsible gun ownership, or know anyone who is a responsible gun owner? But by all means, continue to mindlessly swallow all your government's propaganda about how guns are all mass killing machines, and that normal people are just too farking stupid to own and operate them responsibly.
One man with a gun can control a thousand without one. So you stick with being one of the thousand, and I'll be the guy with the gun, and we'll both be happy.
I get such a sad face in these threads. So many people that would never even touch a gun because of their bias.....they are missing out on a lot of coolness.
Exactly and thats why USA got the highest death toll due guns..
So explain Switzerland's gun ownership and gun death rate to me then.
Guns do not = gun deaths.
High crime and social unrest = gun deaths.
To be honest I think it's a big difference between people who want to own a gun and people who have to store a gun at home. Sure there are "civil" guns in Switzerland too (about 600k), but they are nothing compared to the 1.2 million military guns.
PS: Switzerland is leading the suicides commited with guns (about 25% of all suicides).
If I wanted to kill myself, a gun is the quickest and easiest way I can think of. Doesn't make it the gun's fault. If I wanted to kill myself, the lack of a gun would not stop me.
sorry for OT... There's the problem. Maybe it wouldn't stop most of them, but if there's a gun around it may be easier for someone to kill himself.
I fail to see the problem. We are talking about killing yourself, not others, correct? So you're saying guns should be banned because people can intentionally kill themselves easier with it? The idea of that is so ludicrous......just lol. Really?
I shot some clays for the first time not too long ago and I'm totally hooked! Looking to get a Mossberg 500. Little hard though as there aren't too many gun shops nearby in south cali
On July 09 2011 03:44 FagelBagel wrote: I someday wish to own a British Lee Enfield + Show Spoiler +
The history of this rifle along with the Russian Mosin Nagant and German K98 is so interesting.
I almost got one of those, in excellent condition, for $175 a few years back. Unfortunately, it sold the same day, and I was going to go back the next day after my check hit.
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
User was temp banned for this post.
Maybe because you don't have the first clue about responsible gun ownership, or know anyone who is a responsible gun owner? But by all means, continue to mindlessly swallow all your government's propaganda about how guns are all mass killing machines, and that normal people are just too farking stupid to own and operate them responsibly.
One man with a gun can control a thousand without one. So you stick with being one of the thousand, and I'll be the guy with the gun, and we'll both be happy.
I get such a sad face in these threads. So many people that would never even touch a gun because of their bias.....they are missing out on a lot of coolness.
Exactly and thats why USA got the highest death toll due guns..
So explain Switzerland's gun ownership and gun death rate to me then.
Guns do not = gun deaths.
High crime and social unrest = gun deaths.
To be honest I think it's a big difference between people who want to own a gun and people who have to store a gun at home. Sure there are "civil" guns in Switzerland too (about 600k), but they are nothing compared to the 1.2 million military guns.
PS: Switzerland is leading the suicides commited with guns (about 25% of all suicides).
If I wanted to kill myself, a gun is the quickest and easiest way I can think of. Doesn't make it the gun's fault. If I wanted to kill myself, the lack of a gun would not stop me.
sorry for OT... There's the problem. Maybe it wouldn't stop most of them, but if there's a gun around it may be easier for someone to kill himself.
I fail to see the problem. We are talking about killing yourself, not others, correct? So you're saying guns should be banned because people can intentionally kill themselves easier with it? The idea of that is so ludicrous......just lol. Really?
I'm not saying anything about banning stuff, please read carefully. I only showed that the number of guns in households may be related to suicides or homocides. But I don't have enough background to say wheter that's true or not.
On July 09 2011 03:40 xyl0s wrote: Pls stop derailing the thread with the anti gun talk.
Since I don't have a lot of pics on this comp I will just post my favourite 2 guns that I own, Sig P210 and a Colt Anaconda. + Show Spoiler +
Is this the SIG pistol the army uses or is this some other type? because it looks really smooth and slick!
On July 09 2011 00:40 bluQ wrote: Do you guys ever wonderd why everyone in this thread who doesn't post anything against guns is only from US or Canada?
User was temp banned for this post.
Maybe because you don't have the first clue about responsible gun ownership, or know anyone who is a responsible gun owner? But by all means, continue to mindlessly swallow all your government's propaganda about how guns are all mass killing machines, and that normal people are just too farking stupid to own and operate them responsibly.
One man with a gun can control a thousand without one. So you stick with being one of the thousand, and I'll be the guy with the gun, and we'll both be happy.
I get such a sad face in these threads. So many people that would never even touch a gun because of their bias.....they are missing out on a lot of coolness.
Exactly and thats why USA got the highest death toll due guns..
So explain Switzerland's gun ownership and gun death rate to me then.
Guns do not = gun deaths.
High crime and social unrest = gun deaths.
To be honest I think it's a big difference between people who want to own a gun and people who have to store a gun at home. Sure there are "civil" guns in Switzerland too (about 600k), but they are nothing compared to the 1.2 million military guns.
PS: Switzerland is leading the suicides commited with guns (about 25% of all suicides).
If I wanted to kill myself, a gun is the quickest and easiest way I can think of. Doesn't make it the gun's fault. If I wanted to kill myself, the lack of a gun would not stop me.
sorry for OT... There's the problem. Maybe it wouldn't stop most of them, but if there's a gun around it may be easier for someone to kill himself.
exactly this. most gun suicides involve alcohol. its because its easy and its there and you're in a state of mind where you have less inhibition and just might be pushed over the edge with opportunity lying around.
On July 08 2011 20:07 edc wrote: Shit, I never knew that the Mosin Nagant is so dirt cheap. My dream gun is an AK-47, though I doubt I'll ever get one :p. However, for a pistol I want a Magnum. Those classic six-shooters look so sexy...
AK types are relatively cheap if you arnt worried about quality. WASR's are like 4-500ish depending on where you are.
Get one made by Arsenal and call it a day. Great quality at a relatively cheap price.
As for myself, I'd rather not list what I have. But I do want a Saiga 12 some day.
Got a saiga converted by them. just as good y/y?
I did the whole debate myself, but I figured it was okay since nobody knows where I live anyways. Even if they did, there's always somebody in the house and we have a dog so it's not like they could break in and steal them.
On July 08 2011 20:07 edc wrote: Shit, I never knew that the Mosin Nagant is so dirt cheap. My dream gun is an AK-47, though I doubt I'll ever get one :p. However, for a pistol I want a Magnum. Those classic six-shooters look so sexy...
AK types are relatively cheap if you arnt worried about quality. WASR's are like 4-500ish depending on where you are.
Get one made by Arsenal and call it a day. Great quality at a relatively cheap price.
As for myself, I'd rather not list what I have. But I do want a Saiga 12 some day.
Got a saiga converted by them. just as good y/y?
I did the whole debate myself, but I figured it was okay since nobody knows where I live anyways. Even if they did, there's always somebody in the house and we have a dog so it's not like they could break in and steal them.
Don't you have to store your guns in a lockable safe? I believe you're forced to do this here. You're also not allowed to have more than a certain amount of ammunition, how about in the USA?
Don't you have to store your guns in a lockable safe? I believe you're forced to do this here. You're also not allowed to have more than a certain amount of ammunition, how about in the USA?
No. You are not required to. I personally keep my guns locked in a locked cabinet in the basement, with a trigger lock on. There is no limit on ammunition, many people here collect vast stockpiles of it in their bunkers.
Is this the SIG pistol the army uses or is this some other type? because it looks really smooth and slick!
The P210 was used by the army but since 1975 they use the SIG P220/ Pistole 75
On July 09 2011 04:24 DoXa wrote: Don't you have to store your guns in a lockable safe? I believe you're forced to do this here. You're also not allowed to have more than a certain amount of ammunition, how about in the USA?
Pls stop derailing the thread, but no, you don't have to store the guns in a lockable safe in Switzerland, you can have one loaded in your nightstand if you want
And there is also no rule on how much ammo you can keep at home.
We own this sissy gun (only used for firing range by my father, I usually clean it before, never fired it) Anyway, if it hasn't been clean for years will it Jam? And would it protect me if I have knowledge in using it except I have never ever shot it in my entire life?
Well if you clean it properly before storing it and also store it right I don't think there will be a problem. Yes it could protect you but better pratice with it before, shooting isn't as easy as it looks in the movies.
On July 09 2011 04:42 Licmyobelisk wrote: We own this sissy gun (only used for firing range by my father, I usually clean it before, never fired it) Anyway, if it hasn't been clean for years will it Jam? And would it protect me if I have knowledge in using it except I have never ever shot it in my entire life?
Handguns are terrible in self-defense, especially with someone who hasn't shot one. If you want self defense, get a shotgun. You'll be more likely to hit something. With a handgun you'll probably miss because of panic.
Don't own a gun, its not allowed here.. but I would love to go somewhere and try out some of the classic weapons such as MG-42, STG44, AK47, BAR, AR15, Mauser K98. I imagine it would feel like a piece of history, holding those weapons that enabled the society we live in now.
On July 09 2011 04:47 0mar wrote: There are three guns that any person MUST own just because of the history of the weapon.
1. M1 Garand. 2. StG44 3. AK47
These three guns embody the 20th century with respect to weaponry.
That said, for personal defense, I'd get the following.
1. A solid quality 9mm, preferably a Beretta. 2. 12 gauge shotgun. 3. AK-74 with folding stock.
I'd actually prefer more like a 20 gauge with birdshot for home defense. Less punch, but still effective in close quarters, much less odds of destroying your property or hurting someone in the next room.
As for the beretta 9mm, yuck. I hate those. I'd prefer an XD chambered in .357 sig, loaded with hollowpoints. It takes some practice to control, but it has way better actual stopping power if the person breaking in is on meth or pcp.
On July 08 2011 20:07 edc wrote: Shit, I never knew that the Mosin Nagant is so dirt cheap. My dream gun is an AK-47, though I doubt I'll ever get one :p. However, for a pistol I want a Magnum. Those classic six-shooters look so sexy...
AK types are relatively cheap if you arnt worried about quality. WASR's are like 4-500ish depending on where you are.
Get one made by Arsenal and call it a day. Great quality at a relatively cheap price.
As for myself, I'd rather not list what I have. But I do want a Saiga 12 some day.
Got a saiga converted by them. just as good y/y?
I did the whole debate myself, but I figured it was okay since nobody knows where I live anyways. Even if they did, there's always somebody in the house and we have a dog so it's not like they could break in and steal them.
Don't you have to store your guns in a lockable safe? I believe you're forced to do this here. You're also not allowed to have more than a certain amount of ammunition, how about in the USA?
No limits on amount of ammo here in the U.S. Safes and gunlocks only mandated when you have small children or something in the home. They don't have to be yours, but if anybody comes over then they have to be inaccessable. Since my family has no small children (younger brother is 20) I don't technically need a safe.
I have one though, a pistol safe. Just because I keep it loaded with one in the pipe. I also store my ammo in the top shelf of it because I don't technically keep the longarms locked, but they are considered inaccessable since there is no ammunition that a kid could gain access to. When I get more ammo it won't all fit into the safe shelf, so i'll have to reassess then.
Even so though, the pistol safe is small and kind of heavy but you could still carry it off. People steal TV's right? That and again, strictly speaking, the long guns arnt locked up.
I dream of obtaining an AK-47 and painting it gold, then mounting it on my wall, purely because it was awesome in CoD4. If guns were allowed in Australia I'd probably have done it by now...
On July 08 2011 12:15 susySquark wrote: I'm taking a carbine class later this month. Match pistol shooting in a tactical setting is a fast growing sport. Any "assault" style rifle you see posted on these boards owned by a civilian is NOT an automatic, its functionally identical to a hunting rifle, with a different grip. In fact, many people hunt with AR's because of their reliability and easy of use. Chances are everyone posting here is a responsible gun owner who will never hurt a single human being in their entire lifetime.
Not true always, it is possible for a civilian to own an automatic weapon, just ridiculously expensive, and usually not worth it, such a waste of expensive ammo.
State by state it differs, I suppose. States like CA and NY its impossible for a civilian to get an automatic.
Ahh i see, i know that Az i was able to get one if i wanted, but i did not have close to the amount of money to waste to get one.
I have a taurus .380, as well as a hammerless taurus 357. I recently sold the sks i had to my friends father. I am actually looking at getting another rifle, most likely an AK because they are as much fun if not more than my sks was. the clip i had only held 9 +1 in the chamber. the reason why I want an AK is cause a friend has a silver plated kolish that weve literally put 5-600 rounds through it with absolutely no problems.
So, a friend and I were thinking about getting some gas-pistols for fun @ the firing range. I don't need anything with "stopping power", as I don't want it for self-defense (maybe just for scare factor in case someone breaks in while I'm home lol).
I was thinking of the Walther CP99 air gun (http://www.airgundepot.com/cp99b.html). I know it doesn't count as a real gun, but I had two questions: 1. Does it do well at a shooting range? (is there accuracy over 10-20-30 yards?) 2. What happens if you fire it at someone (i think it fires pellets, but still, I'm pretty sure it will perforate the skin at least).
A stupid question most probably, but someone once told me that in some US states it is possible for some people to legally own a grenade launcher... this is bs i presume? any us citizen can shed any light on that? thx
On topic: some awesome firearms is saw in this thread, like the M-1903 Springfield especially
On July 09 2011 06:48 CuttyFlam wrote: A stupid question most probably, but someone once told me that in some US states it is possible for some people to legally own a grenade launcher... this is bs i presume? any us citizen can shed any light on that? thx
On topic: some awesome firearms is saw in this thread, like the M-1903 Springfield especially
Not sure about grenade launchers, but I know you can legally own a flamethrower in California.
On July 09 2011 06:48 CuttyFlam wrote: A stupid question most probably, but someone once told me that in some US states it is possible for some people to legally own a grenade launcher... this is bs i presume? any us citizen can shed any light on that? thx
On topic: some awesome firearms is saw in this thread, like the M-1903 Springfield especially
A grenade launcher is technically legal in something like 40 of the 50 states. But it is a class 3 weapon, categorized as a "destructive device", so one must have a pretty good reason to own it.
"All NFA items must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (ATF). Private owners wishing to purchase an NFA item must obtain approval from the ATF, obtain a signature from the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO) who is the county sheriff or city or town chief of police (not necessarily permission), pass an extensive background check to include submitting a photograph and fingerprints, fully register the firearm, receive ATF written permission before moving the firearm across state lines, and pay a tax".
That is, one needs the written permission of the ATF, and the local police force, and must pass a super-extraordinary background check. It's not too easy for something like a grenade launcher, but it's possible.
On July 09 2011 06:48 CuttyFlam wrote: A stupid question most probably, but someone once told me that in some US states it is possible for some people to legally own a grenade launcher... this is bs i presume? any us citizen can shed any light on that? thx
Grenade launchers are classified as non-sporting 'destructive devices', but are legal on a federal level, though 10 individual states ban destructive devices.
However, the HE grenades they normally fire are very hard to come by, and require individual licensing and large fees for each one (each is a 'destructive device'), along with storage restrictions, so most people only use the grenade launchers to fire training shells, smoke grenades, and the like.
Why is it surreal? People that spend that much money on these things wont do something bad with it, if you want to use explosives for a crime there are much much cheaper and more efficient ways to do it.
I guess you could say I have a couple weapons in the house :o Most of them are mine, but a couple of the doubles are my brothers.
I hunt a lot and used to spend a lot of time shooting on the farm next door. Where I live "used" to be 100% farm land but it's grown up drastically in the last few years, all the farms have turned to developments so my weapons don't see much use these days :-/
almost no anti-gun talk, i'm so proud of you guys! :D
i've fallen in love after hitting up the shooting range a couple of times and i'm looking into getting my first hand gun. been eyeing the cz 75b for awhile but its hard to find shops that carry this pistol in stock for me to take a look at it. (sub $500-$600)
can any expert recommend a starter pistol for sub $600? maybe there's some stuff i missed. 9mm preferred, maybe .45. (glock is awesome but i like more traditional looking pistols like 1911)
gun shopping is great, like car shopping, best kind of shopping. :D
On July 09 2011 06:48 CuttyFlam wrote: A stupid question most probably, but someone once told me that in some US states it is possible for some people to legally own a grenade launcher... this is bs i presume? any us citizen can shed any light on that? thx
On topic: some awesome firearms is saw in this thread, like the M-1903 Springfield especially
Yes and no. Regular people cannot have guns like that, but if you have appropriate permits you can. It is very hard to get said permits, and you have to show that you are either a legitimate collector, or some sort of person that would need to handle one in the production process for such a weapon for the military(such as an engineer at a gun company).
On July 09 2011 08:33 Fatze wrote: whats the sence behind owning an weapon? dont see a reason to own a weapon tbh - so no, i am not planning to buy a weapon :D
then why post in this thread? lol.
I own a 12 gage shotgun, a pistol (can't remember exact one), 22 rifle.
My cousin owned a shotgun. But he killed himself with it. which is why this thread pisses me the hell off.
You cousin likely had deep seated emotional problems, and severe depression. Blaming his suicide on the fact that he "Owned a shotgun" is extremely childish, as he likely would have found some other way to do it had a gun not been available. A gun is a tool, just like a knife is a tool, or a rope, people kill themselves with all three by their own conscious decisions. My uncle hanged himself when I was 13, I don't go around trying to make people feel bad about owning a rope, so I really don't understand your attitude towards guns.
I'm sure everyone has thought about killing themselves, but using a gun as a tool for suicide is much faster than using a rope. You have to knot the rope, get to a high place, think about where you want to do it, in that time you could have already decided to call it off. With a gun it only takes one finger.
IF i robbed a house and saw someone with this many guns i would steal it...
On July 09 2011 06:48 CuttyFlam wrote: A stupid question most probably, but someone once told me that in some US states it is possible for some people to legally own a grenade launcher... this is bs i presume? any us citizen can shed any light on that? thx
On topic: some awesome firearms is saw in this thread, like the M-1903 Springfield especially
You can own a grenade launcher. I think they're marketed as flare guns. I'm not sure about extra restrictions on the launcher. Explosive ammo is heavily restricted and generally not available, though, so it's pretty much a non issue. I'm not sure if they are able to fire military M203 rounds but they look the same and can fire flares. They're mostly just show pieces.
I find the notion of owning a gun originally designed to kill human beings absolutely ridicilous. Why exactly does "having heard it all before" entitle you to immunity from criticism on the subject? OP strikes me as paranoid, owning a home defense shotgun in a peaceful country like Canada.
In my opinion this kind of thread should be limited to hunting rifles or recreational firearms like air rifles or soft guns, endorsing or normalizing anything beyond that is going in the wrong direction.
On July 09 2011 09:24 Demand2k wrote: I find the notion of owning a gun originally designed to kill human beings absolutely ridicilous. Why exactly does "having heard it all before" entitle you to immunity from criticism on the subject? OP strikes me as paranoid, owning a home defense shotgun in a peaceful country like Canada.
In my opinion this kind of thread should be limited to hunting rifles or recreational firearms like air rifles or soft guns, endorsing or normalizing anything beyond that is going in the wrong direction.
On July 09 2011 09:24 Demand2k wrote: I find the notion of owning a gun originally designed to kill human beings absolutely ridicilous. Why exactly does "having heard it all before" entitle you to immunity from criticism on the subject? OP strikes me as paranoid, owning a home defense shotgun in a peaceful country like Canada.
In my opinion this kind of thread should be limited to hunting rifles or recreational firearms like air rifles or soft guns, endorsing or normalizing anything beyond that is going in the wrong direction.
Tactical type shooting events are recreational, and you can hunt with any firearm. What's wrong, exactly, with hunting with a better balanced, lighter rifle made out of composites, instead of something made out of wood?
My home defense weapon is a Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights.
What?
Yeah lol i thought exactly the same... ^^'
I don't plan on being a victim. Owning and training with a Mossberg 590 is what I do to make sure I won't be a victim even in a worst case scenario. Yes, it's unlikely, but it does happen.
On July 09 2011 06:48 CuttyFlam wrote: A stupid question most probably, but someone once told me that in some US states it is possible for some people to legally own a grenade launcher... this is bs i presume? any us citizen can shed any light on that? thx
On topic: some awesome firearms is saw in this thread, like the M-1903 Springfield especially
You can own a grenade launcher. I think they're marketed as flare guns. I'm not sure about extra restrictions on the launcher. Explosive ammo is not available, though, so it's pretty much a non issue. I'm not sure if they are able to fire military M203 rounds but they look the same and can fire flares. They're mostly just show pieces.
Depends on the state. The Federal Government doesn't have a problem with it, but you have to register every individual grenade as a "destructive device", store the grenades in line with the federal regulations on explosives, and have the proper license. And pay a $200 tax on each round.
In my opinion this kind of thread should be limited to hunting rifles or recreational firearms like air rifles or soft guns, endorsing or normalizing anything beyond that is going in the wrong direction.
This is where you're woefully misinformed! Hunting rifles are generally of a higher calibre, heavier round and higher grain load than virtually anything the military uses. Their entire purpose is to kill big game. IE: Deer around 180-200lbs, Bear 200-500lbs+, Elk/Moose 500lbs++ etc
For example: The M16 which fires a .223/5.56 round is essentially (*disclaimer: for ease of explanation!) the same as a .22 rifle. It was designed to wound enemy combatants because a wounded enemy takes 2-3 people out of the fight (the other 2 enemies have to care for their downed comrade as well as use up precious resources like water/food/medical stuff) as opposed to just 1 dead enemy.
OP strikes me as paranoid, owning a home defense shotgun in a peaceful country like Canada.
In Switzerland virtually every single home has a firearm and they have the lowest crime rate in the world. Very peaceful country and yet everyone has weapons, would you call them paranoid? (This is just a very broad statement/example, I realize there's much more to it than that :p)
Also, the OP calls it a "home defense" shotgun but it's still just a shotgun not unlike the thousands of other shotguns people use to hunt with. The only difference is that it's his personal choice of weapon in the event that he ever needed it for self defense.
I have my sidearm next to my bed, it's just a pistol that I love to shoot at the range but it's what I'm most comfortable with so you could call it my "home defense" weapon. Your home defense weapon could be a baseball bat or a can of spray paint. You're just reading far too much into it!
Going to the firing range is really a very fun hobby. It teaches you much in the areas of self control and patience. Anyone can fire a weapon, but to get those perfect 1inch groupings at 500yds takes a lot of practice and training. It's not different than say, a pitcher who spends a few hours throwing a baseball at a tire learning a curve ball or slider. Everyone has their own hobbies that make them happy and fills their day. Shooting just happens to be one of mine as well as the other folks that have posted so far.
Along with the list of weapons I posted earlier I forgot to add that the one sidearm I've always wanted and am hoping to someday own is a Wilson Combat 1911 Tactical Elite :D
They run a minimum of ~3500$ but they're absolutely beautiful and they fire as smooth as glass. Someday...
I used to be for STRICT gun control, voted for Obama, blah blah blah. The past 3 years were a pretty big wake-up call. I'm not in the position to purchase a gun now, but in due time...
On July 09 2011 10:08 Soap wrote: I'd much rather have a shotgun for home defense, handguns can be pretty dicey in close quarters because of their lesser stopping power.
This is another common misconception. It's completely true that a large number of handguns don't possess any stopping power but this is due to the calibre of the weapon, not because it's a handgun. The most common calibre (9mm) is jokingly called a peashooter by military and law enforcement alike. The reason being it was also designed as a wounding round and is easier to carry a higher number of rounds since they're obviously smaller/lighter. Their popularity stems from their being so common/cheap and the capacity to deliver a higher count of rounds-down-range-accurately due to less recoil.
However, if you hit a combatant at close range with a .45 calibre round.... He won't like the results. If you hit a leg that leg will go out from under him, an arm will become completely useless and center mass will knock him on his ass. (Fun rhyme from training.) The drawbacks (for people not properly trained or familiar with their weapon) is that a .45 will deliver a higher "kick"/recoil and make subsequent shots less accurate. This is easily fixed and 99% negated with proper training and practice. In the end all rounds are subject to different factors negating their effect. A 500lb behemoth of a man on bukoo amounts of drugs probably won't feel anything less than a shotgun slug so... take it for what it's worth.
Shotguns obviously DO have immense stopping power but they're also unwieldy and sometimes hard to maneuver in tight spaces (hallways, going around corners, doorways etc) they also present a much larger target for your assailant to see, identify and then possibly wrestle away from you or get in too close for you to effect a shot. This can happen with any weapon but a sidearm is much less likely as he's never ever too close and with proper weapon control he won't have a chance to wrestle your weapon away.
I thought assault rifles were illegal to own in Canada...Going to do some research now! I've always wanted to own an AR-15
In the US at least, the AR-15 is not considered an assault rifle. HOWEVER, it CAN be modded and/or turned into an assault rifle. But, you can't (easily) legally purchase an AR-15 that is considered an assault rifle.
There are a few general rules that make an assault rifle but the biggest point is this: - Has to be capable of multi-round firing with a single trigger pull (IE: burst fire, fully automatic)
AR-15s are Semi-Automatic by default, 1 round per 1 trigger pull
EDIT: Just went and looked since I have no idea what Canada laws are but here's what I found: The Government of Canada classifies the AR-15 (and its variants) as a restricted firearm. For anyone wanting to lawfully own an AR-15, they must first pass a "Canadian Non-Restricted Firearms Safety Test", and then a "Canadian Restricted Firearms Test".
I love how much mis-information always gets spread in firearm discussions on gaming websites. Even people who should know better, like the above poster Eternal, perpetuate this shit.
The NATO rounds 9mm and 5.56x45 mm were NOT designed to maim or whatnot. A .45 will NOT knock you off your ass. A .223 (English unit designation for 5.56 mm; though there are some pressure differences associated with these) is pretty similar to a .22... you know except for the 2,000 fps.
The NFA act of 1934 allows the possession of class 3 weapons such as machine guns and grenade launchers (assuming they were registered before the 1986 ban), as well as such things as suppressors.
If there are individuals here who are truly interested in learning more about firearms, you should consider visiting the many firearm enthusiast boards such as www.ar15.com or www.thefiringline.com.
On July 09 2011 10:51 Zug wrote: I love how much mis-information always gets spread in firearm discussions on gaming websites. Even people who should know better, like the above poster Eternal, perpetuate this shit.
The NATO rounds 9mm and 5.56x45 mm were NOT designed to maim or whatnot. A .45 will NOT knock you off your ass. A .223 (English unit designation for 5.56 mm; though there are some pressure differences associated with these) is pretty similar to a .22... you know except for the 2,000 fps.
The NFA act of 1934 allows the possession of class 3 weapons such as machine guns and grenade launchers (assuming they were registered before the 1986 ban), as well as such things as suppressors.
If there are individuals here who are truly interested in learning more about firearms, you should consider visiting the many firearm enthusiast boards such as www.ar15.com or www.thefiringline.com.
I think it's fair to say that a .45 will knock you on your ass. No, it won't physically knock you over but unlike the 9mm, it will almost always drop you with one shot to the torso or legs.
It's not about just dropping, but incapacitating. Sure a .45 shot would allow you to move over and disarm one criminal, but if there are others around you'd prefer to not expose yourself and not draw them to check what's happening.
But there's nothing wrong with using a handgun if one feels it suits him better, I merely stated my opinion to address those "wtf a shotgun" posts.
Incapacitation of a person in a firefight, as it has been explained to me, is reliant on harming vital organs.
As far as terminal ballistics go, most people I've met judge ammunition by two criterion: penetration depth in ballistic gelatin and bullet expansion. That is to say you want the bullet to go deep enough in human tissue to strike vitals and if possible you want the round to expand as much as possible to increase the likely hood of harming vitals.
One foot of penetration in ballistic gelatin is the threshold many use. Quality 9mm or .45 cal ammunition will both attain this depth. Furthermore a .45 is only 0.07 inches bigger in diameter to start with and this difference doesn't change much after expansion (say 0.78 inches versus 0.86 inches after expansion).
Now I'm not a real authority. There's likely more that goes into terminal ballistics such as the size of the temporary wound channel and so on. I don't have sufficient knowledge to comment on that.
At the end of the day, if your caliber meets minimum criteria (which both do) then what will truly matter is shot placement.
Edit: Soap, I wasn't really ragging on you. I apologize if it seemed that way. Shotguns most certainly do make good home defense weapons. If ever possible, I'd prefer to defend myself with a long gun over a pistol. You know, on that note an AR might not be a bad home defense gun.
Most of the guns at my house are under my dads name save for 1 which is under my brother's:
First guns my dad bought were a remington 870 pump-action shotgun and a 710 30.06 Hunting rifle. I've never fired the 710 but I really liked skeet shooting with the pump action.
Shortly after, he bough a Yugoslavian Simonov 7.62 for the 1950s. I really liked it cause it had the look of a real war rifle; even had a fuck flip open bayonnet. He bought this one from Marstar.com.
At this point my brother bought a VZ-58, which is a really shitty replica of the AK-47. Doesn't feel like it at all and has a lot of problems but it's the one I've shot the most on the range since it's more accurate than the Simonov.
When my dad started Duck hunting he found the 870 Remington to slow to pump so he bought himself a Baikal Semi-automatic shotgun. I don't know the exact model but it's pretty slick.
After that he wanted to buy a Browning HP handgun but they were a little expensive so he bough a shitty chinese replica off Marstar again. I honestly hate this gun. They did such a shitty job manufacturing it that it hurts your hands cause of all the rough edges on it. Unfortunately it's the only handgun he owns, and being Canadian means it's not worth buying more than 1 handgun.
Next, it wa my dad's 50th birthday so me and my brother bought him a little .22 Ruger. That fucking thing is so damn accurate. It's probably the berst gun in terms of affordability to quality ratio. The Ruger 10/22 is damn fine nice.
My dad later went deer hunting and fired the Remington 710 a few times and found that at the range he needed, it was a bit difficult. (The land he bought was an open field of a few kilometers so deer in the distance was so hard to hit). He decided to by himself something bigger and this is where the .338 comes in. Military green with a bipod and muzzle break, the Lapua .338 Police is a heavy weapon to carry and it makes a shitload of noise. But in terms of range and accuracy it's one of the top ammunition in the world. Only downside is the cost of bullets which is why he bought all the necesary gear to reload shells himself. the scope by itself on this gun was 1200$ plus the cost of the rifle easily made this the most expensive one of his collection.
Lastly, we heard that a guy in montreal was moving back to France so he was selling all his guns. When my dad heard one of them was a double barrel Browning, he went to pay the guy a visit and I went with him. This guy is selling a 1200$ shotgun for 400$ and he's including a lambs wool carrying bag which is actually worth more than 400$. But my dad at this point doesn't want to spend money on another gun so be makes an offer for 300$. It felt so wrong at the time but the guy said yes so that was one more gun added to our locker.
Sorry I don't know all the models of guns. I don't shoot most of them; only the ones with cheaper bullets. As for buying one for myself, i have my license but the only thing I would really consider buying is an M-14 and then buying all the composite material and modifying it (I fucking love that special forces modifactions for that gun). But this would cost me anywhere between 1400$ to 3000$ and I just can't spend that much right now on a gun I'll only use at the range. Maybe if I see someone selling one for cheap...
Cool thread OsoVega, you got me all nostalgic.
On July 09 2011 11:30 hellbound wrote: So jealous of you people, living in a disarmed community is crap
Almost happened here, thank God for Conservatives.
My grandpa is a lawyer and he keeps a gun someone used to commit suicide downstairs in an evidence bag(the family asked him to keep it). Its really fuckin creepy. It's one of those really tiny palm sized revolvers.
On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote: Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =)
The thing about the police is that no matter how good they are, they can never be everywhere. That is what allows stuff like home invasion murders and mass shootings to happen. I believe, if a large enough percentage of the population were to conceal carry, massacres such as the Virginia Tech Massacre would be ended much faster with much less death. Another consideration is that while we enjoy the rule of law today, that might not always be the case. The chances are very low but if a Hurricane Katrina type situation happened in your area, even in places more communal and peaceful than New Orleans, if it goes on long enough, people will get desperate. It's really up to the individual if they want to consider these points but one thing that I think is undeniable is that more responsible concealed carry weapons holders is a good thing.
The other reason to own guns aside from self-defense is recreation. Recreation spans from just shooting at a range to competitive shooting, collection, the history of the firearms, the art and beauty of their finish and mechanics, hunting and more. Personally, I make it a point to get out and shoot at least once a month.
Guns have a wide range of uses and abilities. A 2 shot 22. lr derringer can kill someone but it's only real use is plinking and decoration as it can't reliably hit anything out of 5 yards. A Barret .50 Cal can shoot for kilometers and devastate whatever it hits but it is extremely heavy and expensive to shoot. A 1911 is beautiful and accurate but it is heavy and doesn't hold many rounds. A full sized Glock is relatively light and holds plenty of rounds but most people would prefer a much smaller pistol to conceal in public. An AK-47 is rugged and reliable but an AR-15 can reach out farther and is more controllable. A shotgun is completely different in that it's barrel is not rifled and can shoot tons of different types of rounds. That's just a small example of the variance in uses of firearms. Plenty of people purchase firearms just to collect too.
The thread lives! I just returned from a solid 6 hours at the range. Sighted in my new AR and shot the hell out of it to break it in. I was happily plinking away at 200-300 yard silhouettes for the rest of the day.
After today though, I'm in the market for a new trigger. The standard mil-spec 10+ pound trigger gets rough after a couple hundred rounds. I was noticeably jerking my shots because I couldn't control my pull well.
On July 09 2011 13:30 susySquark wrote: The thread lives! I just returned from a solid 6 hours at the range. Sighted in my new AR and shot the hell out of it to break it in. I was happily plinking away at 200-300 yard silhouettes for the rest of the day.
After today though, I'm in the market for a new trigger. The standard mil-spec 10+ pound trigger gets rough after a couple hundred rounds. I was noticeably jerking my shots because I couldn't control my pull well.
10 pound trigger is definitely a little heavy for something as light as the typical AR. I like it on the M-16 A4 though, with the heavier barrel. Horrid on an M4.
use it to shoot at targets in my backyard as well as play a little airsoft. Plan on getting an electric powered airsoft assault rifle soon as 15 rounds is just not enough when playing.
plan to get a real 1911 eventually once i bother to get a gun license, but probably won't get anything beyond that
On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote: Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =)
The thing about the police is that no matter how good they are, they can never be everywhere. That is what allows stuff like home invasion murders and mass shootings to happen. I believe, if a large enough percentage of the population were to conceal carry, massacres such as the Virginia Tech Massacre would be ended much faster with much less death. Another consideration is that while we enjoy the rule of law today, that might not always be the case. The chances are very low but if a Hurricane Katrina type situation happened in your area, even in places more communal and peaceful than New Orleans, if it goes on long enough, people will get desperate. It's really up to the individual if they want to consider these points but one thing that I think is undeniable is that more responsible concealed carry weapons holders is a good thing.
The other reason to own guns aside from self-defense is recreation. Recreation spans from just shooting at a range to competitive shooting, collection, the history of the firearms, the art and beauty of their finish and mechanics, hunting and more. Personally, I make it a point to get out and shoot at least once a month.
Guns have a wide range of uses and abilities. A 2 shot 22. lr derringer can kill someone but it's only real use is plinking and decoration as it can't reliably hit anything out of 5 yards. A Barret .50 Cal can shoot for kilometers and devastate whatever it hits but it is extremely heavy and expensive to shoot. A 1911 is beautiful and accurate but it is heavy and doesn't hold many rounds. A full sized Glock is relatively light and holds plenty of rounds but most people would prefer a much smaller pistol to conceal in public. An AK-47 is rugged and reliable but an AR-15 can reach out farther and is more controllable. A shotgun is completely different in that it's barrel is not rifled and can shoot tons of different types of rounds. That's just a small example of the variance in uses of firearms. Plenty of people purchase firearms just to collect too.
My only problem is that I operate under the assumption that most people are irresponsible assholes. (pretty true so far) And the more irresponsible assholes who conceal carry, the higher the chance that an altercation will escalate beyond fistcuffs to full on shooting.
I agree that more responsible people having guns is ok (not necessarily a good thing but something I can live with) but I just don't think many people are responsible.
Maybe I'm just a pacifist pussy but I'm downright scared of guns, and luckily I can walk on the streets here without fear of being shot.
I understand that maybe over there you guys are more trigger happy and comfortable about weapons but over here, when a policeman pulls out his gun it's a big fucking deal, especially if there is not a good enough reason.
On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote: Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =)
The thing about the police is that no matter how good they are, they can never be everywhere. That is what allows stuff like home invasion murders and mass shootings to happen. I believe, if a large enough percentage of the population were to conceal carry, massacres such as the Virginia Tech Massacre would be ended much faster with much less death. Another consideration is that while we enjoy the rule of law today, that might not always be the case. The chances are very low but if a Hurricane Katrina type situation happened in your area, even in places more communal and peaceful than New Orleans, if it goes on long enough, people will get desperate. It's really up to the individual if they want to consider these points but one thing that I think is undeniable is that more responsible concealed carry weapons holders is a good thing.
The other reason to own guns aside from self-defense is recreation. Recreation spans from just shooting at a range to competitive shooting, collection, the history of the firearms, the art and beauty of their finish and mechanics, hunting and more. Personally, I make it a point to get out and shoot at least once a month.
Guns have a wide range of uses and abilities. A 2 shot 22. lr derringer can kill someone but it's only real use is plinking and decoration as it can't reliably hit anything out of 5 yards. A Barret .50 Cal can shoot for kilometers and devastate whatever it hits but it is extremely heavy and expensive to shoot. A 1911 is beautiful and accurate but it is heavy and doesn't hold many rounds. A full sized Glock is relatively light and holds plenty of rounds but most people would prefer a much smaller pistol to conceal in public. An AK-47 is rugged and reliable but an AR-15 can reach out farther and is more controllable. A shotgun is completely different in that it's barrel is not rifled and can shoot tons of different types of rounds. That's just a small example of the variance in uses of firearms. Plenty of people purchase firearms just to collect too.
My only problem is that I operate under the assumption that most people are irresponsible assholes. (pretty true so far) And the more irresponsible assholes who conceal carry, the higher the chance that an altercation will escalate beyond fistcuffs to full on shooting.
I agree that more responsible people having guns is ok (not necessarily a good thing but something I can live with) but I just don't think many people are responsible.
Maybe I'm just a pacifist pussy but I'm downright scared of guns, and luckily I can walk on the streets here without fear of being shot.
I understand that maybe over there you guys are more trigger happy and comfortable about weapons but over here, when a policeman pulls out his gun it's a big fucking deal, especially if there is not a good enough reason.
But back on topic, what kinds of recreational shooting are there besides shooting ranges (understand that I have absolutely no background on guns)
Well, one of the popular ones is Cowboy Action Shooting, which is basically dressing up and pretending you're in a bad western, except you actually have to reload, doing the crazy shooting tricks and stuff.
I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote: Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =)
The thing about the police is that no matter how good they are, they can never be everywhere. That is what allows stuff like home invasion murders and mass shootings to happen. I believe, if a large enough percentage of the population were to conceal carry, massacres such as the Virginia Tech Massacre would be ended much faster with much less death. Another consideration is that while we enjoy the rule of law today, that might not always be the case. The chances are very low but if a Hurricane Katrina type situation happened in your area, even in places more communal and peaceful than New Orleans, if it goes on long enough, people will get desperate. It's really up to the individual if they want to consider these points but one thing that I think is undeniable is that more responsible concealed carry weapons holders is a good thing.
The other reason to own guns aside from self-defense is recreation. Recreation spans from just shooting at a range to competitive shooting, collection, the history of the firearms, the art and beauty of their finish and mechanics, hunting and more. Personally, I make it a point to get out and shoot at least once a month.
Guns have a wide range of uses and abilities. A 2 shot 22. lr derringer can kill someone but it's only real use is plinking and decoration as it can't reliably hit anything out of 5 yards. A Barret .50 Cal can shoot for kilometers and devastate whatever it hits but it is extremely heavy and expensive to shoot. A 1911 is beautiful and accurate but it is heavy and doesn't hold many rounds. A full sized Glock is relatively light and holds plenty of rounds but most people would prefer a much smaller pistol to conceal in public. An AK-47 is rugged and reliable but an AR-15 can reach out farther and is more controllable. A shotgun is completely different in that it's barrel is not rifled and can shoot tons of different types of rounds. That's just a small example of the variance in uses of firearms. Plenty of people purchase firearms just to collect too.
My only problem is that I operate under the assumption that most people are irresponsible assholes. (pretty true so far) And the more irresponsible assholes who conceal carry, the higher the chance that an altercation will escalate beyond fistcuffs to full on shooting.
I agree that more responsible people having guns is ok (not necessarily a good thing but something I can live with) but I just don't think many people are responsible.
Maybe I'm just a pacifist pussy but I'm downright scared of guns, and luckily I can walk on the streets here without fear of being shot.
I understand that maybe over there you guys are more trigger happy and comfortable about weapons but over here, when a policeman pulls out his gun it's a big fucking deal, especially if there is not a good enough reason.
But back on topic, what kinds of recreational shooting are there besides shooting ranges (understand that I have absolutely no background on guns)
I think all you have to do is look at the example of CCW holders in the United States. Your fear simply doesn't happen in the US where people do conceal guns in public. The irresponsible assholes just aren't the people who go through the effort of getting a license, let alone carrying a gun everyday. The people who do, know what kind of responsibility it is to carry a gun.
On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote: I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
Saying you're more likely to shoot someone when you own a gun is like saying you're more likely to drive when you own a car.
On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote: I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
Swords are safer than guns how?
In fact, a sword takes more training to use safely and responsibly than a gun. Without the range advantage on an intruder. And they're rather hard to use in enclosed spaces.
On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote: I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
Saying you're more likely to shoot someone when you own a gun is like saying you're more likely to drive when you own a car.
How the hell can you shoot without a gun?
What? How can you type without being able to read?
On July 09 2011 11:47 johanngrunt wrote: Hi, I want some information and I hope you guys can share:
What are the benefits of owning guns in a civilized society (low crime, rule of law, effective and non-corrupt police force etc.) like Hong Kong etc.
How often do you use your guns, and what purposes you use them for other than self defense, and is there a reason to own more than 1 gun.
Thanks =)
There are sports and games for guns, i personally enjoy trap shooting (moreso then other hobbies, or maybe because i limit myself to only trap shooting like 5-8 times a year) Pistols are fine for the occasional shooting range, though i find it to be shallow in interaction (not like shotgun trap shooting) and dont prefer it.
@OP Mossberg 590? I envy you, i have a 500 thats a bitch to strip to clean. Though, op, would you ever be intrested in trying sporting trap shooting than just shotgun home defense? Try it.
On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote: I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
Saying you're more likely to shoot someone when you own a gun is like saying you're more likely to drive when you own a car.
How the hell can you shoot without a gun?
What? How can you type without being able to read?
I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend
I can read, thank you for your response, good sir.
On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote: I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote: I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
Those are pretty good odds considering it's about a trillion times more likely for your family to be around your guns than random strangers breaking into your house. The fact that you don't plan on owning guns because you think you'll shoot your family is pretty ridiculous, to be honest.
I don't own a gun, and never have, but I would consider it after I buy my own property someday. Responsible adults should own at least one gun in our society. If you think you're too irresponsible to own a gun, I respect that decision, but asserting that other people are also that irresponsible assumes too much.
Soap that video looked awesome! I wish I had a place like that set up nearby. Also, fuzzy_panda that airsoft 1911 is so boss! very jealous of it. I -had- an airsoft model of a beretta (love their guns since they are from my city, go baltimore!) but my dad, being the mechanics nerd he is, took it apart to play with all the peices boldly claiming he could put it back together.
when he put it back together, he had peices left over he didn't remember what to do with, which he then lost...
If you like really beautiful guns, a google image search of beretta will really make you want to check on your savings account haha.
But back on topic, what kinds of recreational shooting are there besides shooting ranges (understand that I have absolutely no background on guns)
Skeet shooting, trap shooting, sporting clays & tactical courses (pop up targets and such) Just to name a few.
It's pretty hard to find a tactical shooting course and before you can use them(in most places) you have to take a safety course most likely offered by the host gun club. However, it's quite simple to make your own if you have a good bit of safe land in the country.
Skeet and trap shooting are very common though. Essentially there's a machine that throws clay discs into the air and you have to shoot them with a shotgun. There are different variations but that's the basic idea.
There are a lot of other things you can do as well if you have a good property to shoot on. Shooting water filled bottles and baloons etc
I have to say I'm impressed there has been so few bans in this thread. This is a typical topic where people tend to spurt out all kinds of agitated shit.
But back on topic, what kinds of recreational shooting are there besides shooting ranges (understand that I have absolutely no background on guns)
Skeet and trap shooting are very common though. Essentially there's a machine that throws clay discs into the air and you have to shoot them with a shotgun. There are different variations but that's the basic idea.
There are a lot of other things you can do as well if you have a good property to shoot on. Shooting water filled bottles and baloons etc
Some of these guns are pretty cool. I don't own any guns except for paintball guns heh. I wouldn't mind owning one or two but I am too cheap and lazy to get one. Is there a gun you just can't have because it is either illegal or ridiculously expensive?
On July 09 2011 14:48 Steel91 wrote: Some of these guns are pretty cool. I don't own any guns except for paintball guns heh. I wouldn't mind owning one or two but I am too cheap and lazy to get one. Is there a gun you just can't have because it is either illegal or ridiculously expensive?
25mm Bushmaster comes to mind. They're attached to the Bradley Fighting Vehicle. Fun to shoot.
On July 09 2011 13:59 G5 wrote: I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend than some stranger breaking into your house or w/e. I got swords and a kevlar vest. I'm good. About as good as a Zealot come to think about it.
Saying you're more likely to shoot someone when you own a gun is like saying you're more likely to drive when you own a car.
How the hell can you shoot without a gun?
What? How can you type without being able to read?
I don't plan on owning any guns. Your 6 times more likely to shoot a family member or friend
I can read, thank you for your response, good sir.
I think you read it correctly, but misunderstood the statistic that G5 was quoting.
What he meant is for every one 'intruder' shot with a weapon in a persons home, there are 6 family members shot.
Here's another nice one for you. If you keep a firearm in your house, you and your family are 18 times more likely to die to a bullet, than if you did not.
There are obviously two sides to this story. I live in a very rural area, with a high rate of burglary. So to me, it makes sense for me to keep a shotgun in my home to protect myself, (and my ganja plants. )
A shotgun has high stopping power, and short range, so it is a perfect weapon for home defense. Handguns and rifles go through walls, and have little comparative stopping power, so they make little sense to own for any reason than sport, hunting, or hobby.
I have owned a minigun on few occasions, once I shot a predator with it and once randomly at cops trying to protect John Conner.
But I had to give up to become a guverner of Cali T_T;;
Nowdays im thinking of buying a Nuke, to use it as a chair in hopes of getting my testies grow to the size of being able to legally buy weed.
In seriousness tho, for some reason I find this thread very fun to read that people that have a gun usually don't own just one, I guess its kinda same with ppl who like tatooes.
On July 09 2011 14:48 Steel91 wrote: Some of these guns are pretty cool. I don't own any guns except for paintball guns heh. I wouldn't mind owning one or two but I am too cheap and lazy to get one. Is there a gun you just can't have because it is either illegal or ridiculously expensive?
I think there are around a dozen of these privately owned in the US. They cost $3600 to shoot per minute and go for about $400,000 whenever one comes up for sale.
On July 09 2011 14:26 Towerlight wrote: Soap that video looked awesome! I wish I had a place like that set up nearby. Also, fuzzy_panda that airsoft 1911 is so boss! very jealous of it. I -had- an airsoft model of a beretta (love their guns since they are from my city, go baltimore!) but my dad, being the mechanics nerd he is, took it apart to play with all the peices boldly claiming he could put it back together.
when he put it back together, he had peices left over he didn't remember what to do with, which he then lost...
If you like really beautiful guns, a google image search of beretta will really make you want to check on your savings account haha.
haha thats a shame your dad can't put it back together. i'm quite lucky because near where i work there is a very good airsoft shop with awesome owners that would show you exactly how to take apart any gun for cleaning and putting it back together
On July 09 2011 14:31 sMi.EternaL wrote: Careful guys, stay away from retarded arguments!
But back on topic, what kinds of recreational shooting are there besides shooting ranges (understand that I have absolutely no background on guns)
Skeet and trap shooting are very common though. Essentially there's a machine that throws clay discs into the air and you have to shoot them with a shotgun. There are different variations but that's the basic idea.
There are a lot of other things you can do as well if you have a good property to shoot on. Shooting water filled bottles and baloons etc
yes we can. But does the guy have the arms of a gorilla or what? It seems like the shotgun has almost no kickback at all. Not at all like the shotguns I have used in skeet shooting.
Can somebody PM what it takes to get a license for a semi-auto permit in cali plz. Also any info about a concealed carry permit (for hand gun obv) would be appreciated.
Contributions: I got the cheapest shotgun i could get my hands on when i was 18/19, its a pardner pump 12 gauge.
I also have an old .22 "Varmint" rifle made by Anschutz that i inherited from my grandma. Cant find any pix of it, this is close to it though.
Every time i put pix up they always get fucked up for some reason. ninja edit inc. FML i cant fix the shotgun pic, Its the first one on google images
So many NA posters in this thread :o It's strange that there is such a big gun culture there, while in South Africa (One of the countries with the highest rate of violent crimes) I don't own (or plan to) own a gun. Basically no one I know owns guns either, unless they live on farms.
People here prefer to go to a paintball arena instead of a shooting range / hunt ^^ Just thought it was interesting.
I don't own guns, nor do I plan to. Archery equipment? different story. I own a compound bow 30 lbs-ish (I had it cranked up to max poundage already) and a assortment of arrow heads =P
PS The training heads "Blunt" are still powerful enough to pierce a solid wooden door.
I plan to own some type of advanced compound/recurve in the future with a higher out put.
I am not really into crossbows. Traditional ftw.
looking to possibly get a parallel compound bow in the future. And more broadheads
I have now been doing ISSF Pistol shooting for 15 years and for that reason obviously own the "Equipment". But then those sport pistols don't seem to be very common going by this thread and most here probably would't even consider them "real guns". That would be 1 air pistol Morini CM162E, two Pardinis SP1 and HPE which are basically the same (electronic trigger) apart from the caliber .22lr and .32, and massively modified Hämmerli 160 free pistol (also .22lr). Then there is the Swiss assault rifle that is also in the house since I had to do compulsory military training. That one is technically property of the state (and would be even illegal to own privately).
I see my pistols purely as sports equipment and have never been particularly fascinated with "owning big guns". Also I got my fare share of those during military training. When you have fired explosive rounds from a .50 machinegun, pulled the "trigger" on artillery canons and nervously held a grenade in your hand you have kinda seen it...
In fact I resent people owning guns just to own guns since I feel they ruin it for us sports shooters, it's always "them" who attract the media attention and we end up getting caught in the crossfire and resulting regulations that wouldn't be neccesary for sport guns anyway...
I don't own any guns per se, but my Dad has a friggin Bushmaster. If you look at how many attachment that piece has, it's extremely fancy. But it's firepower is insanely loud.
My dad usually fires the thing whenever he goes to his farm in Cavite.
caradoc direct your concerns about our policy to staff, either directly or by providing website feedback. I put up a message at the top of this thread now that is hopefully clear.
If I end up buying a house with a lot of land or in a rural area I'll probably buy a rifle and a pistol. I don't think I'll bother getting any if I'm in an urban environment tho cause it'll just be lying around doing nothing.
On a semi-related note, I've always wanted to go to a gun range and try some shooting. Anyone know what the average cost is and what kind of procedures their are for a beginner?
On July 10 2011 05:07 Slow Motion wrote: If I end up buying a house with a lot of land or in a rural area I'll probably buy a rifle and a pistol. I don't think I'll bother getting any if I'm in an urban environment tho cause it'll just be lying around doing nothing.
On a semi-related note, I've always wanted to go to a gun range and try some shooting. Anyone know what the average cost is and what kind of procedures their are for a beginner?
You can take classes, prices for those vary greatly depending on what you're doing. For the most part, a day at the range can run from $10-20, equipment / ammo not included. Gun rentals are usually pretty cheap, also around $10-20 or so, as well. Ammo depends on what kind of gun you're buying for. Its usually best to go with a group, because a lot of the costs can go down when bought in bulk.
If you don't want to take a class, just read up on the rules of the individual range you're going to, and check out some safety tips and rules online. Familiarize yourself with the basic operation of whatever firearm you're using. Most of all, don't be afraid to ask questions! Most people at ranges will be happy to help a newbie out and spread the love of target shooting.
my intention isn't to derail this thread, it's simply to advocate actual discussion without half the community feeling that alternative viewpoints are being censored. The fact that the tag at the top of the thread now makes it clear that discussion is allowed, but inflammatory discussion isn't, is good enough for me.
the USA :/ I've never own a single weapon in my whole life and probably never will. because its not needed where I live.. None needs it here cuz its safe <3
On July 08 2011 11:12 caradoc wrote: Once I dreamt of owning minigun, but he rarely pops up as an opponent at the diamond level. I plan to own him when I get to GM though. =)
Other than that I can't think up any other guns I would feel morally comfortable owning.
This has to be the best contribution to this thread, laughed my ass off!
Will never own a gun because it's pretty safe here, also the police doesn't carry guns when they are out on the street or w/e, only in emergencys where there are knifes/guns/robbery blabla.. Also the only people carrying any type of guns here are these people : "Garden"
Went shotgun shooting(trap) for the first time today and it was a blast! I think a lot of people give guns a bad wrap because they don't have any real experience with them. Most people have just been fed the same old story to them since they were born and don't know how safe a gun really is in the hands of a responsible adult. It's the same thing with drugs ala reefer madness. Sport shooting is actually really relaxing almost the same as archery. Today I used my friend's browning citori over/under, I never fired a gun before but I was pretty damned impressed with it. Every shot was straight on and the recoil wasn't too bad (though I still have a small bruise). A very high nice shotgun! :D
On July 10 2011 05:36 rezzan wrote: the USA :/ I've never own a single weapon in my whole life and probably never will. because its not needed where I live.. None needs it here cuz its safe <3
The USA isn't the only place with guns. And no one in your country hunts? I know plenty of Swedes in Rural areas who own guns.
Been shooting so much in the military, I got bored of it, but we did make our own small tourneys out on the range - was great practice for the sharp-shooter marks too.
It's really fun, and I'm not going to get into that USA gun law policy. I don't live there.
All I can say is shooting range was hilarious, but we were using + Show Spoiler +
I was mainly using the LSW, but at some occasions, I used the C7A1. But LSW with optical sight and bipod for prone. Felt much better, when all the others were using the C7A1 with no optical nor bipod.
They were jelly!
And also the AT-4 rocket launcher. But since the ammunition was roughly 700 dollars a shot, I was told, we didn't fire a whole bunch of those! And we, in most cases, only used pistol bullets with a different bolt (/breech?).
And the AT-4 for the first time, we all got nose bleed, because the recoil and feeling of shooting something THAT heavy and powerful just blows you away physically and mentally for just a few seconds.
On July 10 2011 09:05 Roeder wrote: Been shooting so much in the military, I got bored of it, but we did make our own small tourneys out on the range - was great practice for the sharp-shooter marks too.
It's really fun, and I'm not going to get into that USA gun law policy. I don't live there.
All I can say is shooting range was hilarious, but we were using + Show Spoiler +
I was mainly using the LSW, but at some occasions, I used the C7A1. But LSW with optical sight and bipod for prone. Felt much better, when all the others were using the C7A1 with no optical nor bipod.
They were jelly!
And also the AT-4 rocket launcher. But since the ammunition was roughly 700 dollars a shot, I was told, we didn't fire a whole bunch of those! And we, in most cases, only used pistol bullets with a different bolt (/breech?).
And the AT-4 for the first time, we all got nose bleed, because the recoil and feeling of shooting something THAT heavy and powerful just blows you away physically and mentally for just a few seconds.
First time throwing a frag grenade or shooting a 40mm grenade out of a launcher is something else too. Oh my god, those were defining moments in life. But yeah, the AT-4 trainers with the 9mm tracers are kind of blah compared to the real thing.
25mm on the Bradley is a load of fun, M249 and M240B are great, the venerable Ma Deuce is an orgasm waiting to happen.
Actually I'm a fan of the SIG Sauer P228, but it went out of production and I never got to like the P229. Funny that it was the protagonist's gun from my favorite series Burn Notice and I just got news that it was replaced by the P30... which is exactly what I was looking for, a polymer-framed pistol that looks better than a Glock, also H&K is great. I need one year as a competitor to buy anything larger than .380 here (yuck) but definitely should check it then.
I've shot an M1A and it felt great - accurate and powerful. <3 7.62, if I were to get another rifle it'd def be an AR format 7.62. HK's are great and all, but they have no love for Californians XD
Well, I would certainly like to own a shotgun when I'm older, due to britains strict gun laws, I can really only get a double barrel shotgun I believe. There's definitely no chance of pistols as semi automatics are completely banned.
Also, why do people think the AK47 was good, sure, it was reliable, but the 7.62 X 39 is an absolutely terrible cartridge.
On July 10 2011 09:57 makesomenoiiise wrote: Well, I would certainly like to own a shotgun when I'm older, due to britains strict gun laws, I can really only get a double barrel shotgun I believe. There's definitely no chance of pistols as semi automatics are completely banned.
Also, why do people think the AK47 was good, sure, it was reliable, but the 7.62 X 39 is an absolutely terrible cartridge.
Where do you get the idea that the round is bad? I'm a huge fan of it. AK's are solid and reliable, although the iron sights are horrid.
On July 10 2011 10:00 JingleHell wrote: [ Where do you get the idea that the round is bad? I'm a huge fan of it. AK's are solid and reliable, although the iron sights are horrid.
that whole thing where the cartridge falls off at range, I don't remember the specifics of it, but past a certain range it falls much faster than other cartridges (I know it outranges the 5.56) It sounds weird now, I wish I had the link, since I'm not doing a good job of explaining it.
Edit: I found the things I was thinking about now. 1) Its accuracy and MOA are subpar, and two, its kind of trying to be 2 different rounds. It lacks the range of the 7.62X51 and the lightness and all of the pros of the 5.56, or 6.8
On July 10 2011 10:00 JingleHell wrote: [ Where do you get the idea that the round is bad? I'm a huge fan of it. AK's are solid and reliable, although the iron sights are horrid.
that whole thing where the cartridge falls off at range, I don't remember the specifics of it, but past a certain range it falls much faster than other cartridges (I know it outranges the 5.56) It sounds weird now, I wish I had the link, since I'm not doing a good job of explaining it.
Ok, so you dislike the trajectory at long range. It's not designed for long range work, it's a shorter range, higher punch round. It's excellent for what it does, it's cheap, and it's in a good point for stopping power.
I can respect your reason for disliking it, I guess, but I just wouldn't be trying to use it for distance work anyways.
I personally hate 5.56, in the army, I used a ton of it, and it's annoying. It's way too light. In Colorado, on gusty days, you could visibly see the rounds tracking sideways if you had tracers. Terrible.
I do agree, the full size .308 is better, but it's still a decent round.
i miss my AK-47. it was an Egyptian Maddi assembled in the U.S. it was a piece of junk, but it shot. ammo was dirt cheap for it ( i even wasted my time reloading for it), and the 7.62x39 is great, hard-hitting round out to 200 yards. maybe i'll start looking for a new one.
but i would really like to get a Panther LR-243
and yes Jingle, the iron sights on those AK's are god awful!
On July 10 2011 10:40 MadNeSs wrote: I'm not bashing weapon owners, but why do you own all these guns for, and what do you use them for? Im just curious
When you say home defence are you that scared in your own home that you feel safer with a gun in your hands? I sure would hate to live somewhere that like.
On July 10 2011 08:33 THE_DOMINATOR wrote: Went shotgun shooting(trap) for the first time today and it was a blast! I think a lot of people give guns a bad wrap because they don't have any real experience with them. Most people have just been fed the same old story to them since they were born and don't know how safe a gun really is in the hands of a responsible adult. It's the same thing with drugs ala reefer madness. Sport shooting is actually really relaxing almost the same as archery. Today I used my friend's browning citori over/under, I never fired a gun before but I was pretty damned impressed with it. Every shot was straight on and the recoil wasn't too bad (though I still have a small bruise). A very high nice shotgun! :D
People give guns a bad wrap as guns are designed for one real purpose, to kill people. I know people fire the things but when a sole purpose in somethings life is to kill, maim or destroy it's hardly a good thing.
On July 10 2011 10:40 MadNeSs wrote: I'm not bashing weapon owners, but why do you own all these guns for, and what do you use them for? Im just curious
Been answered multiple times.
Been dodged multiple times. If you owned several thousand dollars worth of assault rifles, pistols, antique rifles and ridiculousness I've seen posted after scanning all 21 pages.. You'd take a damn picture of them instead of using stock photos.
I keep all my families rifles and sidearms in storage. I have 7 ranging from 250 to 20 years old. Just about one per generation.
I don't keep any guns in my house however. If someone breaks in I'm not going to shoot them. I'm not having a shoot out, this isn't a bloody movie I'll call the police. And if the revolution whatever story then I'll buy something reliable instead of the shiny toys I've seen posted so far (Excluding Mosin Nagants)
On July 10 2011 05:36 rezzan wrote: the USA :/ I've never own a single weapon in my whole life and probably never will. because its not needed where I live.. None needs it here cuz its safe <3
The USA isn't the only place with guns. And no one in your country hunts? I know plenty of Swedes in Rural areas who own guns.
He never said anything about there being no guns in Sweden. There are plenty of gun owners in Sweden, mostly rifles. Handguns are usually owned by people who like to do a little target shooting at the shooting ranges. His point was that practically noone has a gun for self defense in Sweden because it feels, and is, safe.
On July 10 2011 10:59 Lobotomist wrote: I'd like to get an MP5, but can you buy one as a civilian? I really don't the guns laws of Oregon (my home state).
On July 10 2011 10:40 MadNeSs wrote: I'm not bashing weapon owners, but why do you own all these guns for, and what do you use them for? Im just curious
Been answered multiple times.
Been dodged multiple times. If you owned several thousand dollars worth of assault rifles, pistols, antique rifles and ridiculousness I've seen posted after scanning all 21 pages.. You'd take a damn picture of them instead of using stock photos.
I keep all my families rifles and sidearms in storage. I have 7 ranging from 250 to 20 years old. Just about one per generation.
I don't keep any guns in my house however. If someone breaks in I'm not going to shoot them. I'm not having a shoot out, this isn't a bloody movie I'll call the police. And if the revolution whatever story then I'll buy something reliable instead of the shiny toys I've seen posted so far (Excluding Mosin Nagants)
How has it been dodged? Collection, recreation and self defense plus a lot more elaboration on these things earlier in the thread. I've probably spent over three thousand on firearms but unfortunately I haven't on a camera. I would like to get a picture of my AR, though.
My Mosin Nagant, is for the most part, a toy for me. I bought it for recreation and it's history and while it would serve fine as a hunting rifle and has proven itself in battle, I'll choose my AR. I don't have dumb **** like lasers on it and there is a reason the military uses it. I know how to maintain it and unless you really don't have the ability to, I think it would be foolish to choose a Mosin over an AR.
On July 10 2011 10:59 Lobotomist wrote: I'd like to get an MP5, but can you buy one as a civilian? I really don't the guns laws of Oregon (my home state).
You should be able to at least get a semi-auto copy if there's not a real one in semi-auto. Don't see why not at least. Not sure what the law would treat it as though.
On July 10 2011 10:40 MadNeSs wrote: I'm not bashing weapon owners, but why do you own all these guns for, and what do you use them for? Im just curious
Been answered multiple times.
Been dodged multiple times. If you owned several thousand dollars worth of assault rifles, pistols, antique rifles and ridiculousness I've seen posted after scanning all 21 pages.. You'd take a damn picture of them instead of using stock photos.
I did take a picture of my AR. Anyways, I shoot recreationally at ranges, rifles, trap, skeet, sporting clays. I'm taking a carbine class for fun later this month, AR type weapon is required for class. Pistol tactical courses are great fun, and timed targets are great. I'd love to go hunting sometime, whenever I can afford the time to take the break and get a license. Hunting with an AR is actually very practical, because of how easy the are to shoot accurately. Saying you'd rather buy a "reliable" gun like a mosin and not an AR shows ignorance, since AR's and AK's are some of the most torture tested weapons out there. They've been buried in sand, dragged through water, and come out firing without jams. Theres a reason the military uses them.
As a recreational shooter, everything I have is locked up safely in a large firerpoof gunsafe. If I were to have my home invaded, of course I would call the police. I'd rather not shoot anyone. However, if there were to be a repeat LA riots, at least I'd be prepared. You may not like guns much, but I'm pretty sure all my friends will want to be at my house when shit goes down.
no idea if that has been asked before since i havent read the whole thing but i am acutally curious about a couple of things.
You might excuse stupid questions as it is hard to get guns in europe and personally i dont actually miss owing one. However since I always loved the sniper guns in games I actually wondered how it feels to shoot them in real life. That includes Dragunovs, the m24 but also SVN98 and ofc Barret M95.
I found that most in here dont own sniper rifles and i wondered why? Is it price? availability? simply not interested?
Is there a chance to try those out in the US by chance on a shooting range for instance?
On July 10 2011 11:33 Wodus wrote: no idea if that has been asked before since i havent read the whole thing but i am acutally curious about a couple of things.
You might excuse stupid questions as it is hard to get guns in europe and personally i dont actually miss owing one. However since I always loved the sniper guns in games I actually wondered how it feels to shoot them in real life. That includes Dragunovs, the m24 but also SVN98 and ofc Barret M95.
I found that most in here dont own sniper rifles and i wondered why? Is it price? availability? simply not interested?
Is there a chance to try those out in the US by chance on a shooting range for instance?
Sniping is a very precise and fun art. If you get really into it, you learn how to predict the wind's effect on bullet path and adjust your aim on the fly. I have a remington sniper rifle in .308 that I've used to hit torso sized targets at 400 yards. You can figure out how much the bullet drops at that distance by using charts or calculations based on the weight and caliber of bullet used, but the wind! Man its tricky especially at distances when the wind can be blowing in different directions at different points in the path of the bullet.
The shooting range with the furthest targets I've seen around my area has plates out to 500 yards (~457 meters). Sniping in real life is much more difficult than in video games. The only real way to be accurate at long range is to be shooting with a support for your gun - usually shooting prone off a bipod or similar setup. Technique and intuition is really important - breathing control, smooth pulls, and all the calculation involved in a long shot. For accuracy's sake, many sniper rifles are very heavy, especially .50 cals. As a result, sniper rifles have very manageable recoils usually.
There is generally less interest in it these days though, since people have moved more to the "tactical" stuff with short barreled guns designed for maneuverability in tight spaces. As a mechanically-inclined, precision freak myself, sniper rifles are awesome. Among the hunting community, long range accuracy is much more valued too.
On July 10 2011 11:33 Wodus wrote: no idea if that has been asked before since i havent read the whole thing but i am acutally curious about a couple of things.
You might excuse stupid questions as it is hard to get guns in europe and personally i dont actually miss owing one. However since I always loved the sniper guns in games I actually wondered how it feels to shoot them in real life. That includes Dragunovs, the m24 but also SVN98 and ofc Barret M95.
I found that most in here dont own sniper rifles and i wondered why? Is it price? availability? simply not interested?
Is there a chance to try those out in the US by chance on a shooting range for instance?
The Remington 700 is probably the most prominent North American sniper/hunting rifle. Sniper rifles and hunting rifles are often the exact same thing, btw. I think the m24 is actually a slightly modified Remington 700. + Show Spoiler +
They're definitely available as hunting is a huge part of the gun market but I think they may just be lower on the list for non-hunters and guns as a whole, are generally pretty expensive.
You can definitely shoot one at any range you go to.
If you wanted a gun for the sole purpose of striking a fairly small target (like .5 meter x .5 meter) at a huge distance... which guns would be ideal for that? I'm sure this is situational but... in general, is there a gun or type of gun that specializes in hitting very long distance targets accurately?
What properties of a bullet would you need in order to maximize your range? Resistance to the effects of wind is an obvious consideration also...
On July 10 2011 11:47 micronesia wrote: Hey guys... gun question :3
If you wanted a gun for the sole purpose of striking a fairly small target (like .5 meter x .5 meter) at a huge distance... which guns would be ideal for that? I'm sure this is situational but... in general, is there a gun or type of gun that specializes in hitting very long distance targets accurately?
What properties of a bullet would you need in order to maximize your range? Resistance to the effects of wind is an obvious consideration also...
Lots of considerations ... As I was saying earlier, most hunting/sniper rifles are on the heavy side, so you wont exactly be running and gunning. Bullet weight and velocity are two factors that add to effective range, with trajectory coming into play for some oddballs. As a standard, .308's (like the Remington 700 from earlier) are perfectly great for ranges out to 500 yards. Very lethal and very accurate. .30-06 are probably the next most common for long range shooting. .50 BMG is king, but has legal problems in some states, as well as practicality issues, since that thing is basically a cannon its so big. Also, hunting with a 50 is a bad idea because you probably wont have much meat left after that thing hits a deer or whatever.
So yeah depends on what you're shooting and how you're doing it.
On July 10 2011 11:47 micronesia wrote: Hey guys... gun question :3
If you wanted a gun for the sole purpose of striking a fairly small target (like .5 meter x .5 meter) at a huge distance... which guns would be ideal for that? I'm sure this is situational but... in general, is there a gun or type of gun that specializes in hitting very long distance targets accurately?
What properties of a bullet would you need in order to maximize your range? Resistance to the effects of wind is an obvious consideration also...
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Remington 700 is an iconic sniper rifle, and is used by both the Army and the Marines (the M24 and M40 are both R700s, with the latter being more modified). It fires a .308 round, which is about as big as rifles get except for .338 (rare magnum cartridge) and .50BMG (extremely loud and powerful, good for long range and anti-material/vehicle). With modification and a good shooter, they're capable of point of impact variations of only an inch or so per 100 yards you shoot (the longer the shot, however, the more gravity and wind have to be accounted for).
Best part is, they can be found for $500, though nicer/fancier variants will cost more. If you want to experience shooting a high-powered round for cheap, get a $100 Mosin and some cheap surplus ammo: it won't be nearly as accurate, and mounting a scope is not worth doing, but they're fun.
On July 10 2011 11:47 micronesia wrote: Hey guys... gun question :3
If you wanted a gun for the sole purpose of striking a fairly small target (like .5 meter x .5 meter) at a huge distance... which guns would be ideal for that? I'm sure this is situational but... in general, is there a gun or type of gun that specializes in hitting very long distance targets accurately?
What properties of a bullet would you need in order to maximize your range? Resistance to the effects of wind is an obvious consideration also...
Best solution imo, screw the gun, A crossbow is your best friend. something that's about 180 lbs and use a broadhead. Usually crossbow have a fairly good range and if you are hunting, most of the meat will be left over.
On July 10 2011 11:47 micronesia wrote: Hey guys... gun question :3
If you wanted a gun for the sole purpose of striking a fairly small target (like .5 meter x .5 meter) at a huge distance... which guns would be ideal for that? I'm sure this is situational but... in general, is there a gun or type of gun that specializes in hitting very long distance targets accurately?
What properties of a bullet would you need in order to maximize your range? Resistance to the effects of wind is an obvious consideration also...
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Remington 700 is an iconic sniper rifle, and is used by both the Army and the Marines (the M24 and M40 are both R700s, with the latter being more modified). It fires a .308 round, which is about as big as rifles get except for .338 (rare magnum cartridge) and .50BMG (extremely loud and powerful, good for long range and anti-material/vehicle). With modification and a good shooter, they're capable of point of impact variations of only an inch or so per 100 yards you shoot (the longer the shot, however, the more gravity and wind have to be accounted for).
Best part is, they can be found for $500, though nicer/fancier variants will cost more. If you want to experience shooting a high-powered round for cheap, get a $100 Mosin and some cheap surplus ammo: it won't be nearly as accurate, and mounting a scope is not worth doing, but they're fun.
Ah the good old mosin. One of the few guns to have fought against itself and won.
Also just as a fyi the mosin is still one the most accurate rifles around. That is what was used in vietnam.
On July 10 2011 11:47 micronesia wrote: Hey guys... gun question :3
If you wanted a gun for the sole purpose of striking a fairly small target (like .5 meter x .5 meter) at a huge distance... which guns would be ideal for that? I'm sure this is situational but... in general, is there a gun or type of gun that specializes in hitting very long distance targets accurately?
What properties of a bullet would you need in order to maximize your range? Resistance to the effects of wind is an obvious consideration also...
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Remington 700 is an iconic sniper rifle, and is used by both the Army and the Marines (the M24 and M40 are both R700s, with the latter being more modified). It fires a .308 round, which is about as big as rifles get except for .338 (rare magnum cartridge) and .50BMG (extremely loud and powerful, good for long range and anti-material/vehicle). With modification and a good shooter, they're capable of point of impact variations of only an inch or so per 100 yards you shoot (the longer the shot, however, the more gravity and wind have to be accounted for).
Best part is, they can be found for $500, though nicer/fancier variants will cost more. If you want to experience shooting a high-powered round for cheap, get a $100 Mosin and some cheap surplus ammo: it won't be nearly as accurate, and mounting a scope is not worth doing, but they're fun.
Ah the good old mosin. One of the few guns to have fought against itself and won.
Also just as a fyi the mosin is still one the most accurate rifles around. That is what was used in vietnam.
Uhhhh, I'm calling bullshit on that. Maybe it was accurate for it time and its cost, but from what I've seen about them, most are quite inaccurate, getting 3 or 4 inch groups at 100 yards. The rifle I currently plan on buying, the rather inexpensive Savage Axis, gets 1 inch groups.
Anyone who says they don't understand guns has never had the distinct pleasure of unloading a full clip of a full auto submachine gun like a mac-10 or let off a few double barrel blasts from a sawed off shotgun.
I'm no gun nut, but owning a .22 luger long barrel rifle pistol is just about the best value fun you can have considering how cheapp .22 bullets are. $5 and you'll have enough bullets for all day, I recommend to everyone to go to a gun range and just try out a cheap .22. Its a great way to take a girl on a date as well, very cheap.
I'm not sure how canada works, I believe in the US you can have any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, and you can have batshit guns like sawed off shotguns, fully automatic machine guns, assault rifles, pen guns, if you have a class 3 ppermit which involves some ATF, I believe, thorough checking but not hard at all. It of course varies state to state, but guns are just a lot of fun, maybe stupid fun, but isn't that what fireworks, fast cars, video games, rocketry, and recreational drugs/alcohol are?
Some peopple can't stand guns because they are literally brainwashed to be averse to them, like japanese people (not saying racism, I mean people grown up there like half of my family). As with anything, you have to be safe and respectful. Even fencing can be fun.
Mosins are extremely accurate if you take care of them. I brought mine up to a nearby Marine Corps range that went out to 800 yards and was hitting the targets from 800 yards away. The reason you read that most Mosins are inaccurate is due to irresponsible owners and poor maintenance, on 65+ year old weapons. My friend brought along his m1903a3 and the mosin kept pace right along side of it. Oh, and I was shooting surplus 7.62x54r ammo, 2000 rounds later I have never had a problem and it is just as accurate as the springfields 30-06. Only downfall is the primers are corrosive.
I'm 19 and don't own a gun. However, I have always been interested in picking one up purely for shooting at the range. I've been wondering what kind of gun I should get, as I don't really plan on building a collection very quickly. I'm looking at getting nothing big or fancy, just a sturdy, nice rifle.
I've never shot a real gun before, and I don't intend on using it for self-protection or hunting or anything like that.
On July 10 2011 13:57 Valentine wrote: I'm 19 and don't own a gun. However, I have always been interested in picking one up purely for shooting at the range. I've been wondering what kind of gun I should get, as I don't really plan on building a collection very quickly. I'm looking at getting nothing big or fancy, just a sturdy, nice rifle.
I've never shot a real gun before, and I don't intend on using it for self-protection or hunting or anything like that.
Since you're already older than 18 you can buy a rifle whenever you want to. If you're completely new to shooting, you should probably get a .22 long rifle. Ruger 10/22's are the perfect beginner's rifle. Nearly zero recoil, very accurate and fun to shoot targets or plink silhouettes with.
If you want something with a little more power behind it, .223's are a great choice. A nice bolt action .223 will get you on your feet with room to grow.
On July 10 2011 13:57 Valentine wrote: I'm 19 and don't own a gun. However, I have always been interested in picking one up purely for shooting at the range. I've been wondering what kind of gun I should get, as I don't really plan on building a collection very quickly. I'm looking at getting nothing big or fancy, just a sturdy, nice rifle.
I've never shot a real gun before, and I don't intend on using it for self-protection or hunting or anything like that.
If you don't plan on using it for self-protection and only intend to use it at a range, get a .22 rifle. .22 ammo is EXTREMELY cheap (550 rounds for $16, in the US). .22 has a very small kick and is also very accurate. Most common .22 is the Ruger 10/22 which you can pick up for around $150-$230 depending on where you purchase it from.
Don't be fooled, a .22 is still fatal and in most cases can cause more damage than a 9mm (the round ends up tumbling through soft tissue on impact). You always need to be educated and safe around any firearm, even something as small as a .22
On July 10 2011 13:57 Valentine wrote: I'm 19 and don't own a gun. However, I have always been interested in picking one up purely for shooting at the range. I've been wondering what kind of gun I should get, as I don't really plan on building a collection very quickly. I'm looking at getting nothing big or fancy, just a sturdy, nice rifle.
I've never shot a real gun before, and I don't intend on using it for self-protection or hunting or anything like that.
Is there anyone you know who goes to shooting ranges? If so, you should try to tag along with them one time and go shooting... in my opinion it doesn't make sense to buy a gun before you have some experience shooting them.
On July 10 2011 13:28 Belial88 wrote: Anyone who says they don't understand guns has never had the distinct pleasure of unloading a full clip of a full auto submachine gun like a mac-10 or let off a few double barrel blasts from a sawed off shotgun.
I'm no gun nut, but owning a .22 luger long barrel rifle pistol is just about the best value fun you can have considering how cheapp .22 bullets are. $5 and you'll have enough bullets for all day, I recommend to everyone to go to a gun range and just try out a cheap .22. Its a great way to take a girl on a date as well, very cheap.
I'm not sure how canada works, I believe in the US you can have any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, and you can have batshit guns like sawed off shotguns, fully automatic machine guns, assault rifles, pen guns, if you have a class 3 ppermit which involves some ATF, I believe, thorough checking but not hard at all. It of course varies state to state, but guns are just a lot of fun, maybe stupid fun, but isn't that what fireworks, fast cars, video games, rocketry, and recreational drugs/alcohol are?
Some peopple can't stand guns because they are literally brainwashed to be averse to them, like japanese people (not saying racism, I mean people grown up there like half of my family). As with anything, you have to be safe and respectful. Even fencing can be fun.
The way it works up here, is that all rifles have to be pinned to 5, and all handguns have to be pinned to 10.
You have 3 licenses: PAL: Lets you own some rifles and shotguns RPAL: Lets you own the tactile rifles, AR-15s and all handguns with barrels longer than 4.14". Prohibited license: Lets you own anything from what I understand. You can own full autos, and small handguns with a barrel shorter than the required length.
Something you guys might find interesting (especially non US citizens)
In my state, Virginia, you can openly carry a handgun in public. It has to be secured in a holster. The minimum age for open carry is 18 and you do not need a permit or license of any kind. Example: + Show Spoiler +
Virginia is one of 12 "Gold Star" open carry states. Meaning you can freely carry a holstered handgun as long as you are of 18 years of age. 7 states are non permissive open carry states.
On July 10 2011 14:17 FagelBagel wrote: Something you guys might find interesting (especially non US citizens)
In my state, Virginia, you can openly carry a handgun in public. It has to be secured in a holster. The minimum age for open carry is 18 and you do not need a permit or license of any kind. Example: + Show Spoiler +
Virginia is one of 12 "Gold Star" open carry states. Meaning you can freely carry a holstered handgun as long as you are of 18 years of age. 7 states are non permissive open carry states.
Oddly enough, California is open carry as well. Ammo just has to be kept separately. Noone does it though, and the rare people who do usually have to carry around a copy of the law just to turn away cops.
Oddly enough, California is open carry as well. Ammo just has to be kept separately. Noone does it though, and the rare people who do usually have to carry around a copy of the law just to turn away cops.
I guess OC is more common in VA. I've seen quite a few. Its not like everyone is going around with holstered pistols, but I have seen it before. If you go to places like Dicks Sporting Goods, or Gander Mountain, 80% of the people are carrying holstered handguns.
Oddly enough, California is open carry as well. Ammo just has to be kept separately. Noone does it though, and the rare people who do usually have to carry around a copy of the law just to turn away cops.
I guess OC is more common in VA. I've seen quite a few. Its not like everyone is going around with holstered pistols, but I have seen it before. If you go to places like Dicks Sporting Goods, or Gander Mountain, 80% of the people are carrying holstered handguns.
Depends where in VA. NOVA is a little hostile to OC but it's legal anyways. Even with the OC laws though, I think that concealed carry is far more popular in virginia.
Also, to correct a few misconceptions in the thread:
1) 7.62x39 is not a bad cartridge, nor are AK's inaccurate. Most of the AK inaccuracy myth stems from horrible iron sights and bad quality ammo. If you bought x39 ammo that was the same price as your typical AR or matchgrade ammo or whatever you want to compare it to and then put some optics on it then sure. it would be less accurate. But only very, very minimally so. As in, until you are shooting out to 400+ the rifle and cartridge will still outperform you.
2) Remington 700's aren't sniper rifles really. They are hunting rifles yes, and have scopes on them yes. The police have tactical uses for them yes. However, they are more properly classed and termed as precision rifles. Sniper rifles are precision rifles, but precision rifles are not sniper rifles. Scoped bolt action rifle does not a sniper rifle make. You could argue that the military uses Reminton 700's as sniper rifles but strictly speaking this isn't true. They do extensive modifications to the firearm and really the only thing they have in common with factory remingtons is the action. Sometimes. In all honesty they are pretty much entirely rebuilt.
I would really hesitate to call anything chambered in less then .338lap a real sniper rifle. 700's can be? but most of them are .308 or 30-06. The few that aren't have a clear preference for the lighter chamberings.
On July 10 2011 13:28 Belial88 wrote: Anyone who says they don't understand guns has never had the distinct pleasure of unloading a full clip of a full auto submachine gun like a mac-10 or let off a few double barrel blasts from a sawed off shotgun.
I'm no gun nut, but owning a .22 luger long barrel rifle pistol is just about the best value fun you can have considering how cheapp .22 bullets are. $5 and you'll have enough bullets for all day, I recommend to everyone to go to a gun range and just try out a cheap .22. Its a great way to take a girl on a date as well, very cheap.
I'm not sure how canada works, I believe in the US you can have any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, and you can have batshit guns like sawed off shotguns, fully automatic machine guns, assault rifles, pen guns, if you have a class 3 ppermit which involves some ATF, I believe, thorough checking but not hard at all. It of course varies state to state, but guns are just a lot of fun, maybe stupid fun, but isn't that what fireworks, fast cars, video games, rocketry, and recreational drugs/alcohol are?
Some peopple can't stand guns because they are literally brainwashed to be averse to them, like japanese people (not saying racism, I mean people grown up there like half of my family). As with anything, you have to be safe and respectful. Even fencing can be fun.
The way it works up here, is that all rifles have to be pinned to 5, and all handguns have to be pinned to 10.
You have 3 licenses: PAL: Lets you own some rifles and shotguns RPAL: Lets you own the tactile rifles, AR-15s and all handguns with barrels longer than 4.14". Prohibited license: Lets you own anything from what I understand. You can own full autos, and small handguns with a barrel shorter than the required length.
Not all rifles, just center fire semi autos. The one exception to this is the M1 Garand which isn't restricted in it's mag capacity. Also, you can get 10 round AR pistol magazines that fit into all AR's.
On July 10 2011 15:17 ZergBonjwa wrote: I'm not trying to talk smack to you guys but why is the reason to buy a gun like this? Just for collection or something?
Anyways, I shoot recreationally at ranges, rifles, trap, skeet, sporting clays. I'm taking a carbine class for fun later this month, AR type weapon is required for class. Pistol tactical courses are great fun, and timed targets are great. I'd love to go hunting sometime, whenever I can afford the time to take the break and get a license. Hunting with an AR is actually very practical, because of how easy the are to shoot accurately.
As a recreational shooter, everything I have is locked up safely in a large firerpoof gunsafe. If I were to have my home invaded, of course I would call the police. I'd rather not shoot anyone. However, if there were to be a repeat LA riots, at least I'd be prepared. You may not like guns much, but I'm pretty sure all my friends will want to be at my house when shit goes down.
On July 10 2011 15:17 ZergBonjwa wrote: I'm not trying to talk smack to you guys but why is the reason to buy a gun like this? Just for collection or something?
Most people buy guns to collect and shoot them. It is satisfying and enjoyable to do so, just try it sometime. It is just an enjoyable hobby to take a gun out, shoot some targets or clay pigeons, then take it home, take it apart and clean it. Its a great relaxing way to spend a day.
On July 10 2011 15:17 ZergBonjwa wrote: I'm not trying to talk smack to you guys but why is the reason to buy a gun like this? Just for collection or something?
Depends on the type of gun and the person. Some people like collecting, a lot of firearms have historical significance. Others look 'pretty' or aesthetically pleasing. Others like shooting them, at the range 'killing paper'. Others like target, trap, skeet. Still others do 3-gun or cowboy action. Then there are the run n gun type pistol leagues like IPSC, IDPA, ISSA and then a whole host of more local based slowfire pistol leagues.
For me, a little bit of practicality. If SHTF, I want to be able to take care of myself and not rely on others or other people's goodwill towards me to survive. Think something like hurricane Katrina and New Orleans. People were robbing and looting each other because there was a state of lawlessness and the police really didn't / couldn't do anything at all.
Then there is the appreciation for practicality. The ones I own so far really go to extreme lengths to be as simple as possible, and always work. They need relatively little maintenance and I think function is a form in itself.
The ones I want to get are more of the historical significance type.
Then, I do like shooting at ranges as well. Eventually when I get my skills up again I want to try my hand at pistol shooting leagues.
Asking for me to answer for people in general is hard. It's different for everybody. Why do you play starcraft? Why does random noob A play starcraft? Why does MC play starcraft? etc. you know?
H&K USP Compact .40 Love this gun! Put ten rounds through a hole a bit larger than a quarter from 10 yards out. Mine is similar to this, but with trijicon green night sights + Show Spoiler +
Can anyone recommend a good combination gun? Growing up my dad taught me to shoot on an old 22/410 combination gun, the thing was great for a beginner, very easy to operate, and it let me experiment with both shotgun and 22 shooting. I cant remember for the life of me what it was, but I remember he said he bought it when he was 12 from Sears, and used it to hunt squirrels for extra money over the summer. Seems like a great gun to let people use at the range, very simple to load and operate safely.
On July 08 2011 12:06 susySquark wrote: I... swear I saw this topic get closed like a week ago when I was thinking about buying a 5.56/.223. Gloriously, the thread has come back for me to show off my newest purchase!
On July 09 2011 22:03 Lucidity wrote: So many NA posters in this thread :o It's strange that there is such a big gun culture there, while in South Africa (One of the countries with the highest rate of violent crimes) I don't own (or plan to) own a gun. Basically no one I know owns guns either, unless they live on farms.
People here prefer to go to a paintball arena instead of a shooting range / hunt ^^ Just thought it was interesting.
what is weird is that everyone I know over the age of 30 from South Africa owns at least a handgun. I'd say owning a gun when you are a farmer is basically mandatory these days
Thats pretty awesome that they do guns instead of rings. I never really cared for a ring so I didnt buy one when I graduated college but if they had a gun like that I would have been all over it!
Well thanks to your responses towards my question on sniper rifles.
I, while not experienced it myself, guessed that shooting a sniper rifle in reallife has close to no connection to them in Games. Wikipedia says 8.9k $ for a M82 which seems quite expensive considering mentioned costs of various other guns in this thread ranging from 100 - 600 $ mostly.
I might find all those infos on the internet but in general I would be interested in price estimates for various guns. I mean a range for instance. Just out of curiosity. Gun Ownership seems to be afairly expensive hobby to have
On a completely different note: Might be self-explanataory but is gun ownership tied to Citizenship (solely)? If I would move to the US (prolly depending on the state) lets say due to my job for 3-4 years is there any chance to purchase? OFC they would be resold before leaving the country.
On July 10 2011 20:54 Wodus wrote: On a completely different note: Might be self-explanataory but is gun ownership tied to Citizenship (solely)? If I would move to the US (prolly depending on the state) lets say due to my job for 3-4 years is there any chance to purchase? OFC they would be resold before leaving the country.
This is completely dependent of the state you move to as far as I know. I looked this up for PA when I was there and they wanted proof of residency, not citizenship. Might be different in other states.
On July 10 2011 20:58 Mykill wrote: Just wondering something about gun ownership.
Do you guys own guns as collectables? or are they more actively used for hunting (i hope not defense)
For me I sometimes take my bow out for hunting small games. But I think about getting a crossbow. Which is much more range and power and acurate too. There is a certain aesthetic to bow hunting too but I use it fore fishing more
[quote][QUOTE]On July 10 2011 15:40 J.E.G. wrote: Sig 226 9mm from West Germany: + Show Spoiler +
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YES THIS IS VERY NICE! The kick is so damn big on mine, I feel like it's shooting a cannon. Fast firing this at moving targets is ridiculous. It's a damn nice gun to, quite accurate.
[quote]i never saw anyone in germany who owned a gun[/quote]
Yea, I would expect everyone in Germany to be averse to guns much like people in Japan are. Most people in Japan find guns ridiculous, some are even offended by it. Even the police there rarely carry guns, and the ones that do, have the ugliest, oldest, rusted revolvers. There's been quite a few events there were people go rampaging crazy, as in someone with a simple kitchen knife running around and killing 10+ people in crowded Tokyo before an armed officer can stop them.
As for Virginia, yes, I grew up there, and in some places OC is very, very common, in others it isnt. In VA Beach/Richmond/NoVA you don't really see it that much, but pretty much anywhere else, it's not rare at all. You aren't allowed to carry them on to school campuses though (meaning no defense at Tech, etc).
On July 10 2011 14:17 FagelBagel wrote: Something you guys might find interesting (especially non US citizens)
In my state, Virginia, you can openly carry a handgun in public. It has to be secured in a holster. The minimum age for open carry is 18 and you do not need a permit or license of any kind. Example: + Show Spoiler +
Virginia is one of 12 "Gold Star" open carry states. Meaning you can freely carry a holstered handgun as long as you are of 18 years of age. 7 states are non permissive open carry states.
Oddly enough, California is open carry as well. Ammo just has to be kept separately. Noone does it though, and the rare people who do usually have to carry around a copy of the law just to turn away cops.
I'm curious about this, so assuming open carry is legal, which of these is legal: unholstering, say to examine it or if a friend wants to examine it, but in public carry one around without a holster (say you don't have one) waving it around, but not pointing it at someone
Rank 15 is not too shabby... The thing is. It's not so much about the amount of guns but more about the mentality connected with them.
As someone living in Switzerland which according to that list ranks second among "developed" countries I still see massive differences between the US mentality and "ours". A lot of people in this thread that live in the US at least mention self defense in connection with guns. Now over here, you have to get a permit from the police to buy a gun and for that you also have to give a reason why you need it. If you put "self defense" on the form you probably won't get the permit. Also as someone "in the scene" I don't know anyone who openly admits to sleeping with a loaded gun under his pillow. The driving factors behind gun ownership here are tradition and the military.
The military service here is compulsory and has you go through 21-52 weeks of initial training and 3 week repetition courses every year. So while you are "active" you also store your personal gear including Assault rifle/pistol at home (although you can take it to a "Zeughaus" and they keep it for you if you don't want it at home). Now while the rifle is property of the state you are allowed and even encouraged to use it for sportive usage. So a lot of people end up joining a local shooting club (of which there are a lot) and get into sports shooting that way. Also shooting clubs around here are very old and often important for local tradition and at the same time dedicated to "serious sports". The club I'm a member of (Schützengesellschaft der Stadt Zürich) is more than 500 years old and the biggest yearly fair in Zürich ("Knabenschiessen", a shooting competition for 13-17 year olds) is pretty much privately organized by us. So a significant amount of these privately owned guns are either the civil version of the military guns that people get to continue their hobby after they are discharged or sports guns which are usually far from the "real guns" you'd use for self defense and such. Guns specifically designed for sports usage are highly specialized and are pretty much unfit for violent usage since they tend to be rather big/unwieldy, fragile, outright impractical outside of a shooting range and way more expensive. Obviously they are still somewhat dangerous objects if mishandled, but that's also true for kitchen knives and gardening tools...
So while we do have a lot of gun ownership the reasons tend to be different. And owning a gun as a weapon or because some law allows you too is frowned upon even inside the sport shooting scene.
I'm also member of a club in Germany for which I compete in a local league. The German gun owners are somewhat similar to the ones in Switzerland except that they are more likely to be hunters/collectors since their military tradition isn't that extensive. Also they have more strict laws concerning the permits. Before you can buy a gun you have to pass a test about security and handling of guns and have to join a shooting club to handle the formalities.
That brings me to a final point. Even if the law here is rather liberal about who can get a gun, you usually still have to join a shooting club, have to pass a test or go through a military training regime. So It's more likely that people that do buy a gun know about the dangers and safe handling. Also since there are hoops to jump trough there are less Idiot that just buy a gun because they can.
I would say the reason is because of the 'individuality' of Americans. I'm not sure if you've travelled a lot, but as someone who's been to a dozen different countries in half as many continents, it seems that cultures where a stronger sense of self, identity, and individualism (US, Spain) have a much higher amount of violence than countries where people are identified as part of the community or have less focus on the self but on the community/country/culture/etc, such as Japan (highly autonomous) or central Europe (socialist). Drugs, alcohol, poverty, urban density, and celebrity culture can also affect this. Not guns.
There are plenty of places in most US cities where it's probably a better idea to have a gun if you work around there, or common jobs like a store owner that are prone to robbery. Sleeping with a gun under your pillow and that kind of stuff is ridiculous, obviously, but self defense is definitely a valid reason. And if your simply a paranoid person (within reason of course) there is no reason you shouldn't have a gun if you feel safer with one.
Of course, what's really interesting is just how our opinions differ, probably solely because where we are from.
One thing I am fairly surprised to see is how few people speak of hunting. That has been the primary driving force of most of my purchases through the years. I grew up on a ranch just outside of Middle-of-Nowhere, Wyoming and there was never much money to go around. Quite simply, if we didn't hunt, we didn't have meat all winter long. Every year we would hunt deer, antelope, and elk to stock the big freezer, with the occasional small game thrown in. It was tradition in our house on Thanksgiving the women would be home making the food, and the men would go out rabbit hunting (cotton tail, not that stringy jack rabbit you all are talking of . . .ewww).
I have multiple rifles for different purposes, and several that easily overlap. All are kept in the gun cabinet unless being used or cleaned except my cougar .40s&w that I carry, and the charter arms .380 pink lady in the night stand on my wife's side of the bed. Here is a pic of mine:
I also have a Mosin that I can assure you is as accurate as I could ever need. I attached an extended eye relief scope to it (fits right over the sight fittings for those interested) and have a 1.5" group at 100 yds. A few years back I took an antelope with it near South Pass, WY at 140 yds.
Maybe later I will take a pic of the whole lineup.
BTW, proud of the thread for staying alive this long. Turns out we actually can hold a civil discussion about controversial issues . . . for the most part at least
It seems the "criminals" over here are more clever. While burglary is somewhat common (twice in my case) the burglars are out for profit and not adrenaline... So they are very methodical and usually observe and make sure the owners are on vacation or similar. While I know a lot of people that had someone break into their house I don't know a single one who was at home and ended up in a dangerous situation.
Rank 15 is not too shabby... The thing is. It's not so much about the amount of guns but more about the mentality connected with them.
As someone living in Switzerland which according to that list ranks second among "developed" countries I still see massive differences between the US mentality and "ours". A lot of people in this thread that live in the US at least mention self defense in connection with guns. Now over here, you have to get a permit from the police to buy a gun and for that you also have to give a reason why you need it. If you put "self defense" on the form you probably won't get the permit. Also as someone "in the scene" I don't know anyone who openly admits to sleeping with a loaded gun under his pillow. The driving factors behind gun ownership here are tradition and the military.
The military service here is compulsory and has you go through 21-52 weeks of initial training and 3 week repetition courses every year. So while you are "active" you also store your personal gear including Assault rifle/pistol at home (although you can take it to a "Zeughaus" and they keep it for you if you don't want it at home). Now while the rifle is property of the state you are allowed and even encouraged to use it for sportive usage. So a lot of people end up joining a local shooting club (of which there are a lot) and get into sports shooting that way. Also shooting clubs around here are very old and often important for local tradition and at the same time dedicated to "serious sports". The club I'm a member of (Schützengesellschaft der Stadt Zürich) is more than 500 years old and the biggest yearly fair in Zürich ("Knabenschiessen", a shooting competition for 13-17 year olds) is pretty much privately organized by us. So a significant amount of these privately owned guns are either the civil version of the military guns that people get to continue their hobby after they are discharged or sports guns which are usually far from the "real guns" you'd use for self defense and such. Guns specifically designed for sports usage are highly specialized and are pretty much unfit for violent usage since they tend to be rather big/unwieldy, fragile, outright impractical outside of a shooting range and way more expensive. Obviously they are still somewhat dangerous objects if mishandled, but that's also true for kitchen knives and gardening tools...
So while we do have a lot of gun ownership the reasons tend to be different. And owning a gun as a weapon or because some law allows you too is frowned upon even inside the sport shooting scene.
I'm also member of a club in Germany for which I compete in a local league. The German gun owners are somewhat similar to the ones in Switzerland except that they are more likely to be hunters/collectors since their military tradition isn't that extensive. Also they have more strict laws concerning the permits. Before you can buy a gun you have to pass a test about security and handling of guns and have to join a shooting club to handle the formalities.
That brings me to a final point. Even if the law here is rather liberal about who can get a gun, you usually still have to join a shooting club, have to pass a test or go through a military training regime. So It's more likely that people that do buy a gun know about the dangers and safe handling. Also since there are hoops to jump trough there are less Idiot that just buy a gun because they can.
On July 10 2011 22:44 urasheep wrote: aye im from texaz n i wanna kno how to buy some choppers
so since im from texaz i can just buy the choppa off a private deala? as long as i hav the reseet im good 2 go?
cen any1 help?????????????????//
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Mod Edit: Howdy partner. I'm actually from Texas, and I can tell ye that if you ain't got no choppas, you ain't got no balls. So kindly take a hike afore we haul yer pussy heathen ass from this here state. Don't be a bigot.
In Norway, we're not allowed to own guns, unless your job is defending the country in a state of war, or the likes - also if you're a certified hunter on a quota. Our police force rarely carry guns(bar drug busts and huge crime rings), and they close to never wear guns on the job, in their car, patrolling the streets.
Norway is 4th last on the crime rate(homocide per 100,000).
Just saying.
I'm planning to own a light sabre(not really a gun?), and the super soaker 12k!
On July 10 2011 13:28 Belial88 wrote: Anyone who says they don't understand guns has never had the distinct pleasure of unloading a full clip of a full auto submachine gun like a mac-10 or let off a few double barrel blasts from a sawed off shotgun.
I'm no gun nut, but owning a .22 luger long barrel rifle pistol is just about the best value fun you can have considering how cheapp .22 bullets are. $5 and you'll have enough bullets for all day, I recommend to everyone to go to a gun range and just try out a cheap .22. Its a great way to take a girl on a date as well, very cheap.
I'm not sure how canada works, I believe in the US you can have any pistol, rifle, or shotgun, and you can have batshit guns like sawed off shotguns, fully automatic machine guns, assault rifles, pen guns, if you have a class 3 ppermit which involves some ATF, I believe, thorough checking but not hard at all. It of course varies state to state, but guns are just a lot of fun, maybe stupid fun, but isn't that what fireworks, fast cars, video games, rocketry, and recreational drugs/alcohol are?
Some peopple can't stand guns because they are literally brainwashed to be averse to them, like japanese people (not saying racism, I mean people grown up there like half of my family). As with anything, you have to be safe and respectful. Even fencing can be fun.
The way it works up here, is that all rifles have to be pinned to 5, and all handguns have to be pinned to 10.
You have 3 licenses: PAL: Lets you own some rifles and shotguns RPAL: Lets you own the tactile rifles, AR-15s and all handguns with barrels longer than 4.14". Prohibited license: Lets you own anything from what I understand. You can own full autos, and small handguns with a barrel shorter than the required length.
Not all rifles, just center fire semi autos. The one exception to this is the M1 Garand which isn't restricted in it's mag capacity. Also, you can get 10 round AR pistol magazines that fit into all AR's.
The lee enfield and carbine can have full mags.
Also if you own a 1919 you can have 250 round canvas belts for it.
It seems the "criminals" over here are more clever. While burglary is somewhat common (twice in my case) the burglars are out for profit and not adrenaline... So they are very methodical and usually observe and make sure the owners are on vacation or similar. While I know a lot of people that had someone break into their house I don't know a single one who was at home and ended up in a dangerous situation.
I think the high amount of drug abuse in the US is really the biggest contributing factor to the relatively high crime rate. For the most part it's safe, just very small pockets in some of the larger cities. I think almost everyone I knew, including myself, in Richmond, VA had an experience involving witnessing or being a victim of a shooting, armed robbery, stabbing, et cetera. Mostly just seeing someone wounded, but a few thieves at gunpoint as well. But that was a big city with a lot of drugs.
Personally, even as a gun owner, I think hunting is stupid. I'm sorry, I just don't get having to sit in a tree where you can't even move or piss or drink or eat for hours on end to maybe shoot something. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bad or anything, I just don't get it. I shoot birds and small game that come on to my property - it's a lot of fun. But like hardcore, actual hunting - as an economist I think buying your food is much more economic and better.
I have absolutely nothing against it. It's just, you know, not my thing. I know for a lot of gun owners it's a big part of their life, their culture, so you could say I also don't understand praying multiple times a day to allah either.
this is my gun i ♥ it very much. Its a snub 357 mag smith and wesson, holds 7 instead of 6! It is not super accurate but at 25yards its like holding a baby cannon and its really fun to fire!
I would really like to get a mac 10 or 11 i really like sub machine guns really cool and fun to fire
mac 10 is 45 cal and mac 11 is 9 mil they can hold like up to 32 rounds, i can't get automatic weopons in my state but a semi auto would still be bad ass i want one plz ^^
this is my gun i ♥ it very much. Its a snub 357 mag smith and wesson, holds 7 instead of 6! It is not super accurate but at 25yards its like holding a baby cannon and its really fun to fire!
I would really like to get a mac 10 or 11 i really like sub machine guns really cool and fun to fire
mac 10 is 45 cal and mac 11 is 9 mil they can hold like up to 32 rounds, i can't get automatic weopons in my state but a semi auto would still be bad ass i want one plz ^^
25 yards? I have to call bullshit. More like 2.5 to actually hit something.
Snubbies in general aren't very good for any kind of range, and .357 is a hell of a round out of a little bitty pistol.
One question if i may. I heard that you are only allowed to own shotgun without a firm licence, because it is hard to hide under your coat? All other smaller/semiautomatic weapons need a licence in USA?
About myself..i would really like to own an old goodie tommygun(i had a time and still love old "mafia" times. Dont know why, but i love the gentelmenliness(if that is a word) of that area), but i think i dont have the time or money to deal with a proper firearm
On July 10 2011 20:54 Wodus wrote: Well thanks to your responses towards my question on sniper rifles.
I, while not experienced it myself, guessed that shooting a sniper rifle in reallife has close to no connection to them in Games. Wikipedia says 8.9k $ for a M82 which seems quite expensive considering mentioned costs of various other guns in this thread ranging from 100 - 600 $ mostly.
I might find all those infos on the internet but in general I would be interested in price estimates for various guns. I mean a range for instance. Just out of curiosity. Gun Ownership seems to be afairly expensive hobby to have
On a completely different note: Might be self-explanataory but is gun ownership tied to Citizenship (solely)? If I would move to the US (prolly depending on the state) lets say due to my job for 3-4 years is there any chance to purchase? OFC they would be resold before leaving the country.
You can get a quality, entry level gun, for around 200-500 bucks or so. Collector guns and exotic guns will obviously cost more. Don't fall into the trap that just because a gun looks cool it is a good gun. You see a lot of junky SKS/H&K ripoffs at gunshops, that while they look cool do not make good practical guns to use.
As far as citizenship is concerned, you must be an immigrant alien, citizen, or hold a valid hunters license, in order to own a gun in the US, so it would depend on your visa type. There may be additional rules depending on state, but it would not be too hard to get a hunters license, if you don't have the right VISA type, that is a few bucks. This page lays it out pretty clearly: http://www.vrolyk.org/guns/alien-laws.html
About gun ownership and what kind in the US: I'm not exactly sure, it's been a while, but it's something like this:
It varies state to state, but in general any non-semi-auto shotguns (so pump action and breech only) above a certain length (ie not some snub or sawed off, those are concealed weapons), rifles, and pistols can be owned without a license. This is basically pistols, hunting/target practice rifles, and hunting/target practice shotguns. I believe now you can also own non-auto assault rifles as well.
Submarine guns, anything full-auto, shotguns under a certain length ~2 feet barrel, semi-auto shotguns, and ridiculous things like pen guns and pocket pistols, require licenses that are pretty strict. Machine guns, sniper rifles, full auto assault rifles, I'm not sure if you can get those at all? I think the idea is that you can own any kind of gun, but it gets more restrictive. It's not impossible at all, but maybe ~100 in fees and lots and lots of thorough testing (ie what guns do you own, gun ownership history, you can't just buy a mac-10 one day, you have to have like quite a few pistols and clean record, probably even more than that).
If you want one, you can get it, but you have to really want it. You can't just be angry, or goofy, or something, and just get it in a week.
Some states just straight up ban alot of these kinds of guns though. Washington DC has a unconstitional law saying no gun ownership, which is quite ridiculous, but the area suffers from high violence rates and extremely entrenched (democratic) political leadership that is quite corrupt, so nothing is going to change and laws made in gut reaction will never be removed, even if it's for the worse. Hell, we had a mayor who was caught on camera smoking crack with a prostitute, he went to jail, and then was re-elected. He's now mayor of the 8th ward - which happens to be the most destitute, drug-ridden, violent, highest murder area in DC, and it is known to suburbanite kids far and wide as the place to go to cop drugs and hookers.
Oh, and machine guns in general have to be made before a certain year, or "pre-ban". It's an odd rule, and there are millions of machine guns/novelty guns/crazy guns that were manufactured before this year, i think in the 80s somewhere, so it doesn't have much practical affect, but any new toy the military has you can't really get.
I believe the license to hold silences/short barrel shotgun/machine guns/'destructive devices' is called a Class III license. It's a few grand fee, so expect to pay between $1000 to $2500 at least.
On July 10 2011 13:57 Valentine wrote: I'm 19 and don't own a gun. However, I have always been interested in picking one up purely for shooting at the range. I've been wondering what kind of gun I should get, as I don't really plan on building a collection very quickly. I'm looking at getting nothing big or fancy, just a sturdy, nice rifle.
I've never shot a real gun before, and I don't intend on using it for self-protection or hunting or anything like that.
Is there anyone you know who goes to shooting ranges? If so, you should try to tag along with them one time and go shooting... in my opinion it doesn't make sense to buy a gun before you have some experience shooting them.
My girlfriend used to shoot, but we don't have a gun here. That's why I didn't really think it was much of a problem :p
So I guess I'll look at getting a .22 sometime soon.
On July 11 2011 02:34 inimenesc wrote: One question if i may. I heard that you are only allowed to own shotgun without a firm licence, because it is hard to hide under your coat? All other smaller/semiautomatic weapons need a licence in USA?
About myself..i would really like to own an old goodie tommygun(i had a time and still love old "mafia" times. Dont know why, but i love the gentelmenliness(if that is a word) of that area), but i think i dont have the time or money to deal with a proper firearm
In the USA? I can't speak for all the states, for California, one of the most stringent gun law states out there besides NY, there is no licensing process. For rifles and shotguns there is a small amount of paperwork, a background check, and a 10 day wait period. Besides that, there are a couple restrictions on them, such as a minimum barrel length and max magazine capacity for some models.
For handguns, besides the 10 day wait period and background check, there is a small safety quiz you have to pass. You can only buy 1 handgun every 30 days.
On July 10 2011 13:57 Valentine wrote: I'm 19 and don't own a gun. However, I have always been interested in picking one up purely for shooting at the range. I've been wondering what kind of gun I should get, as I don't really plan on building a collection very quickly. I'm looking at getting nothing big or fancy, just a sturdy, nice rifle.
I've never shot a real gun before, and I don't intend on using it for self-protection or hunting or anything like that.
Is there anyone you know who goes to shooting ranges? If so, you should try to tag along with them one time and go shooting... in my opinion it doesn't make sense to buy a gun before you have some experience shooting them.
My girlfriend used to shoot, but we don't have a gun here. That's why I didn't really think it was much of a problem :p
So I guess I'll look at getting a .22 sometime soon.
You can also usually rent a gun, and the NRA offers great intro gun safety and operation courses, though if your girlfriend is an experienced shooter, she could show you the ropes.
Also since civilians were allowed to own machine guns almost a century ago, only a single murder has been committed by a legally owned machine gun - and that was by a police officer using a gun from the station.
Hello, If I were to buy a gun with the purpose of target shooting in mind, what should I get? Here some of are my conditions, I live in California, I am a college student(money is an issue and can't own a handgun), and I am left eye dominant(meaning I prefer to shoot left handed).
In the future, I would like to own a Kel tec RFB, mainly for it's novel design that allows for ambidextrous firing. However, I know nothing of California's gun laws other than that they are stringent.
Just a tiny question. And this is not a criticism of any kind, I just want to know, what is so fascinating about guns? I find them... interesting... but nothing beyond that. I don't really understand and this thread seemed like the best place to ask
On July 11 2011 03:42 Belial88 wrote: Also since civilians were allowed to own machine guns almost a century ago, only a single murder has been committed by a legally owned machine gun - and that was by a police officer using a gun from the station.
On July 11 2011 04:08 mordk wrote: Just a tiny question. And this is not a criticism of any kind, I just want to know, what is so fascinating about guns? I find them... interesting... but nothing beyond that. I don't really understand and this thread seemed like the best place to ask
Wow can't you just read the thread? This question has been asked and answered several times.
On July 11 2011 04:08 mordk wrote: Just a tiny question. And this is not a criticism of any kind, I just want to know, what is so fascinating about guns? I find them... interesting... but nothing beyond that. I don't really understand and this thread seemed like the best place to ask
What's so fascinating about starcraft? They are something to collect and if you hunt around my area you need something bigger than a .223 for deer, for smaller game you need a shotgun so if you do any kind of hunting you need at least three guns. From there it's like crack and it grows.
What are the limitations to gun ownership in Canada (aside from money I mean)?
Like what s the "best"/"more powerful" weapon you can legally own? Are some specific bullets banned? (for instance in France, it s illegal to hunt with a crossbow, but you can hunt with a bow, a gun or a rifle with a proper license)
On July 10 2011 13:57 Valentine wrote: I'm 19 and don't own a gun. However, I have always been interested in picking one up purely for shooting at the range. I've been wondering what kind of gun I should get, as I don't really plan on building a collection very quickly. I'm looking at getting nothing big or fancy, just a sturdy, nice rifle.
I've never shot a real gun before, and I don't intend on using it for self-protection or hunting or anything like that.
Is there anyone you know who goes to shooting ranges? If so, you should try to tag along with them one time and go shooting... in my opinion it doesn't make sense to buy a gun before you have some experience shooting them.
My girlfriend used to shoot, but we don't have a gun here. That's why I didn't really think it was much of a problem :p
So I guess I'll look at getting a .22 sometime soon.
You can also usually rent a gun, and the NRA offers great intro gun safety and operation courses, though if your girlfriend is an experienced shooter, she could show you the ropes.
Oh I didn't know about renting a gun or intro courses. That's nice, I might try that somewhere here just to have some fun soon.
On July 11 2011 07:01 WGT-Baal wrote: What are the limitations to gun ownership in Canada (aside from money I mean)?
Like what s the "best"/"more powerful" weapon you can legally own? Are some specific bullets banned? (for instance in France, it s illegal to hunt with a crossbow, but you can hunt with a bow, a gun or a rifle with a proper license)
Mannlicher Steyr HS50
Tracer rounds are banned as are incendary and a few others I can't remember. FMJ's are ok for ranges and lead and jSP's are ok for hunting.
We also can hunt with crossbows and bows. The only things limited are where we can shoot certain types of guns.
Personally, even as a gun owner, I think hunting is stupid. I'm sorry, I just don't get having to sit in a tree where you can't even move or piss or drink or eat for hours on end to maybe shoot something. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's bad or anything, I just don't get it. I shoot birds and small game that come on to my property - it's a lot of fun. But like hardcore, actual hunting - as an economist I think buying your food is much more economic and better.
I have absolutely nothing against it. It's just, you know, not my thing. I know for a lot of gun owners it's a big part of their life, their culture, so you could say I also don't understand praying multiple times a day to allah either.
I've never understood people who go sit in a tree stand all day waiting for something to come up the game trail (although I have sat in a blind by a watering hole for about 4 hours when hunting antelope with bow). We always went into the woods and tracked/stalked the animals. If you know what you are looking for you can see signs everywhere. We also will use 1 person to push them through an area towards someone else waiting at the end. Hurray for special tactics!
I currently don't own any guns, but im in South Dakota right now and its super easy to get a license, and even a conceal and carry license. Im in the Air Force and I've had minor weapons training (I excelled at it) and have shot at ranges or with my friends guns a lot.
I've been considering getting one for about a year, not for recreation but for personal protection. I grew up in Detroit so I don't underestimate the protection a gun can provide you with in certain situations, but I haven't yet made a decision. Also, my neighborhood right now is pretty dangerous, and there are a lot of break ins and robberies so I want to be adequately prepared if something happens, and im realistic enough to realize that if someone commits armed robbery at my house while im there, I had best be armed as well if I want to keep my shit.
On July 11 2011 12:47 ryanAnger wrote: I currently don't own any guns, but im in South Dakota right now and its super easy to get a license, and even a conceal and carry license. Im in the Air Force and I've had minor weapons training (I excelled at it) and have shot at ranges or with my friends guns a lot.
I've been considering getting one for about a year, not for recreation but for personal protection. I grew up in Detroit so I don't underestimate the protection a gun can provide you with in certain situations, but I haven't yet made a decision. Also, my neighborhood right now is pretty dangerous, and there are a lot of break ins and robberies so I want to be adequately prepared if something happens, and im realistic enough to realize that if someone commits armed robbery at my house while im there, I had best be armed as well if I want to keep my shit.
While I may be old fashioned, I think one of the best guns for carrying or keeping in a nightstand for protection is a .357 revolver. Accurate, super reliable and easy to use, and you can practice with cheaper .38 ammo. If you need more than 6 shots to defend yourself, you're probably better off using your cell to call the police and hiding.
In the future I want to pick up a Sig P226 9mm handgun and possibly some sort of 410 gauge shotgun.
The only things I really want to shoot these days are 22's, 9mm (though I don't have one yet) and shotguns. Reason being that the ammo for these are quite cheap =), most other calibers cost an arm and a leg.
I actually just got back from my cabin in Northern Michigan today with a friend who just bought a M2 Benelli 12 gauge autoloader. Can upload some vids of us shooting tomorrow if theres any interest in it x)
Edit: To people who are saying hunting is boring. I'd highly recommend trying bird hunting (grouse/pheasant/woodcock) with a guide who has some nice bird dogs. Its a lot of fun and a ton of moving around instead of sitting for hours.
On July 11 2011 13:13 Blackhawk13 wrote: Surprised to see this kinda thread on TL O.O. My family owns 15 or so guns for hunting and recreational shooting.
In the future I want to pick up a Sig P226 9mm handgun and possibly some sort of 410 gauge shotgun.
The only things I really want to shoot these days are 22's, 9mm (though I don't have one yet) and shotguns. Reason being that the ammo for these are quite cheap =), most other calibers cost an arm and a leg.
I actually just got back from my cabin in Northern Michigan today with a friend who just bought a M2 Benelli 12 gauge autoloader. Can upload some vids of us shooting tomorrow if theres any interest in it x)
On July 11 2011 13:24 Kezzer wrote: My Uncle was a WW2 Vet and passed his M1 Springfield down to my family. Once I get my FID license I will be inheriting it + Show Spoiler +
Yeah I feel very lucky to have it It's in rough shape, but It is functional, and also has a bayonet attached to the end :O I'm pretty sure it has seen combat. Once I get it, I'm picking up some .30-06 rounds and going shooting
On July 11 2011 12:47 ryanAnger wrote: I currently don't own any guns, but im in South Dakota right now and its super easy to get a license, and even a conceal and carry license. Im in the Air Force and I've had minor weapons training (I excelled at it) and have shot at ranges or with my friends guns a lot.
I've been considering getting one for about a year, not for recreation but for personal protection. I grew up in Detroit so I don't underestimate the protection a gun can provide you with in certain situations, but I haven't yet made a decision. Also, my neighborhood right now is pretty dangerous, and there are a lot of break ins and robberies so I want to be adequately prepared if something happens, and im realistic enough to realize that if someone commits armed robbery at my house while im there, I had best be armed as well if I want to keep my shit.
While I may be old fashioned, I think one of the best guns for carrying or keeping in a nightstand for protection is a .357 revolver. Accurate, super reliable and easy to use, and you can practice with cheaper .38 ammo. If you need more than 6 shots to defend yourself, you're probably better off using your cell to call the police and hiding.
I think revolvers make great nightstand guns. They are pretty inherently grab n go. The problem is the 6 / 7 round limit and the fact they are difficult to reload under stress. It's easy to say that if you need more then 6 rounds you shouldn't have a gun, but multiple assailant attacks are going to require that many and more if they press it.
On July 11 2011 03:42 Belial88 wrote: Also since civilians were allowed to own machine guns almost a century ago, only a single murder has been committed by a legally owned machine gun - and that was by a police officer using a gun from the station.
I'd love to get some sources on that, please.
Do a google search for "machine gun murder". A lot of sources will pop up. Read what I said:
Only a single murder by a legally owned automatic weapon. Read: Not illegally owned automatics.
On July 11 2011 08:44 Monokeros wrote: No guns and no plans to own any
So why on earth would you post in this thread?
Did you actually read the topic title before going for that reply button? His post is nothing but a valid answer to the question posed atop this thread.
I myself am a Glock man, I've got the classic rifle/pistol/shotgun combo arsenal =)
Glock 21SF .45, a Kel-Tech SU-16ca .223 (poor man's AR =D), and the ever popular mossberg 500 pump shot. Glock goes on the nightstand, I've always preferred autos vs revolvers, maybe I'm just progressive like that Exercise gun control gents, use both hands =)
On July 11 2011 09:09 ImbaTosS wrote: The pride of my collection is a pair of Purdey antique custom shotguns. I'm English so naturally, I shoot for sport.
HI MOTE!!
I want a Mosin, it seems anyone who owns guns owns one of those... And they look pretty nice for how cheap they are.
It grows and shrinks depending on the temperature and my mood. I've fired it countless amounts of time either out of boredum or out of exitement. Sometimes the shot is disapointing but sometimes I wish i could relive that shot everymoment of my life.
I like my gun, it's friendly alot of other people wish they could play with it but I have alot of self respect so none of that please.
My favorite time to practise and shoot my gun is the mornings. I'm not sure why but I always wakeup in the mood for target practise.
But If i'm alone and have no target, I usualy cancel practise.
I used to shoot my gun inside a Mazda 3 and Saturn Ion almost every week-end. The owner was always quite pleased, she used to ask me abot how much I enjoy it. Good times.
These days since I'm older, I like to have dinner, some drinks, and a really friendly conversation before going to target practise. My aim is really good, I can almost shoot anywhere I want without even opening my eyes. But sometimes it's better to look and aim.
Awh, good times indeed. I just hope I don't abuse my gun and ruin it, that would be terrible if it broke on me. All this talk about open season makes me wanna make a few calls and get some target practise organized!
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On July 12 2011 05:21 tdynasty wrote: I own a gun.
It grows and shrinks depending on the temperature and my mood. I've fired it countless amounts of time either out of boredum or out of exitement. Sometimes the shot is disapointing but sometimes I wish i could relive that shot everymoment of my life.
I like my gun, it's friendly alot of other people wish they could play with it but I have alot of self respect so none of that please.
My favorite time to practise and shoot my gun is the mornings. I'm not sure why but I always wakeup in the mood for target practise.
But If i'm alone and have no target, I usualy cancel practise.
I used to shoot my gun inside a Mazda 3 and Saturn Ion almost every week-end. The owner was always quite pleased, she used to ask me abot how much I enjoy it. Good times.
These days since I'm older, I like to have dinner, some drinks, and a really friendly conversation before going to target practise. My aim is really good, I can almost shoot anywhere I want without even opening my eyes. But sometimes it's better to look and aim.
Awh, good times indeed. I just hope I don't abuse my gun and ruin it, that would be terrible if it broke on me. All this talk about open season makes me wanna make a few calls and get some target practise organized!
Being a Gun owner is Awsome!
I hope you're trolling. how is a gun "friendly" ? shooting almost anything you want without opening your eyes ? ya right.
If you aren't, having some drink before target practice sounds like the dumbest thing you could ever do.
I don't own a gun, don't plan on ever owning one, but shit i want to shoot one at least once.
On July 12 2011 05:21 tdynasty wrote: I own a gun.
It grows and shrinks depending on the temperature and my mood. I've fired it countless amounts of time either out of boredum or out of exitement. Sometimes the shot is disapointing but sometimes I wish i could relive that shot everymoment of my life.
I like my gun, it's friendly alot of other people wish they could play with it but I have alot of self respect so none of that please.
My favorite time to practise and shoot my gun is the mornings. I'm not sure why but I always wakeup in the mood for target practise.
But If i'm alone and have no target, I usualy cancel practise.
I used to shoot my gun inside a Mazda 3 and Saturn Ion almost every week-end. The owner was always quite pleased, she used to ask me abot how much I enjoy it. Good times.
These days since I'm older, I like to have dinner, some drinks, and a really friendly conversation before going to target practise. My aim is really good, I can almost shoot anywhere I want without even opening my eyes. But sometimes it's better to look and aim.
Awh, good times indeed. I just hope I don't abuse my gun and ruin it, that would be terrible if it broke on me. All this talk about open season makes me wanna make a few calls and get some target practise organized!
Being a Gun owner is Awsome!
I hope you're trolling. how is a gun "friendly" ? shooting almost anything you want without opening your eyes ? ya right.
If you aren't, having some drink before target practice sounds like the dumbest thing you could ever do.
I don't own a gun, don't plan on ever owning one, but shit i want to shoot one at least once.
On July 12 2011 04:22 Kezzer wrote: Anyone here a reloader? I'm thinking of getting into it.
I assume you are talking about reloading your ammo? My dad does that... he just got a package of materials today actually and the box is SO HEAVY OMG.
If I understand you correctly let me know and I'll offer you a few tips for getting started from my dad.
Yeah that would be fantastic. It looks to be around a $300-$400 startup cost, so it's not too big of a dive for something that I love. What does your dad have to say?
On July 11 2011 13:24 Kezzer wrote: My Uncle was a WW2 Vet and passed his M1 Springfield down to my family. Once I get my FID license I will be inheriting it
(not my picture)
thats pretty damn cool. my roommate is also inheriting his grand father's ww2 rifle, m1 springfield if i remember correctly. it has notches on it for each kills o.O its pretty damn aweing, like looking back at history.
On July 12 2011 06:07 PlaGuE_R wrote: I'd love to have an M4, just to stroke it, gaze at it, and sometimes shoot it at a range :D
Why? M4's are atrocious. I mean, they still make the stupid things with a forward assist and the rather pitiful charging handle. They double feed and jam something fierce. They're a pain to maintain...
Why? M4's are atrocious. I mean, they still make the stupid things with a forward assist and the rather pitiful charging handle. They double feed and jam something fierce. They're a pain to maintain...
I second that, M16s and M4s are swiftly becoming outdated. M16s jam like no tomorrow, M4s are somewhat better but still pretty bad. US military needs to start adopting gas-piston rifles. Russians have a new rifle that outclasses the m16 and m4 in all aspects. AN-94 if you are curious.
On July 12 2011 06:07 PlaGuE_R wrote: I'd love to have an M4, just to stroke it, gaze at it, and sometimes shoot it at a range :D
Why? M4's are atrocious. I mean, they still make the stupid things with a forward assist and the rather pitiful charging handle. They double feed and jam something fierce. They're a pain to maintain...
i dont give a damn. I'm not a gun nut. I don't like guns. I just think the M4 is pretty so i dont care if other guns are better, i dont care if its outdated, i dont care if its got forward assist, whatever that is. it's like an Alfa Romeo, its beautiful, but u will end up in a cloud of smoke on the motorway staring forlornly at your engine.
On July 12 2011 06:07 PlaGuE_R wrote: I'd love to have an M4, just to stroke it, gaze at it, and sometimes shoot it at a range :D
Why? M4's are atrocious. I mean, they still make the stupid things with a forward assist and the rather pitiful charging handle. They double feed and jam something fierce. They're a pain to maintain...
i dont give a damn. I'm not a gun nut. I don't like guns. I just think the M4 is pretty so i dont care if other guns are better, i dont care if its outdated, i dont care if its got forward assist, whatever that is. it's like an Alfa Romeo, its beautiful, but u will end up in a cloud of smoke on the motorway staring forlornly at your engine.
The forward assist is basically a little mechanical button thing on the side you have to hit with your hand after you chamber the first round to make sure the bolt went all the way forward, because the design is shit and they slapped a band-aid on it instead of giving the US military something that works instead.
Maybe I'm just bitter about having basically the least reliable weapon known to man be the primary infantry weapon of the US Army...
Use one a few times, and you learn to despise them.
On July 12 2011 06:07 PlaGuE_R wrote: I'd love to have an M4, just to stroke it, gaze at it, and sometimes shoot it at a range :D
Why? M4's are atrocious. I mean, they still make the stupid things with a forward assist and the rather pitiful charging handle. They double feed and jam something fierce. They're a pain to maintain...
i dont give a damn. I'm not a gun nut. I don't like guns. I just think the M4 is pretty so i dont care if other guns are better, i dont care if its outdated, i dont care if its got forward assist, whatever that is. it's like an Alfa Romeo, its beautiful, but u will end up in a cloud of smoke on the motorway staring forlornly at your engine.
The forward assist is basically a little mechanical button thing on the side you have to hit with your hand after you chamber the first round to make sure the bolt went all the way forward, because the design is shit and they slapped a band-aid on it instead of giving the US military something that works instead.
Maybe I'm just bitter about having basically the least reliable weapon known to man be the primary infantry weapon of the US Army...
Use one a few times, and you learn to despise them.
I've used a Colt HBAR AR15 for 15 years, and have used the forward assist a total of zero times. It's there as a backup for when shit goes wrong, not for using every reload. I've put thousands of rounds through it, and jammed maybe twice, due to my own failure when reloading that ammunition. Most feed problems are actually due to magazines... which has nothing to do with the rifle's design.
They also make newer rifles based on the AR15 platform with a gas-piston operation if you're that picky about it. But honestly, if you keep your gun well maintained and lubed, it will keep shooting for many many years.
On July 12 2011 05:21 tdynasty wrote: I own a gun.
It grows and shrinks depending on the temperature and my mood. I've fired it countless amounts of time either out of boredum or out of exitement. Sometimes the shot is disapointing but sometimes I wish i could relive that shot everymoment of my life.
I like my gun, it's friendly alot of other people wish they could play with it but I have alot of self respect so none of that please.
My favorite time to practise and shoot my gun is the mornings. I'm not sure why but I always wakeup in the mood for target practise.
But If i'm alone and have no target, I usualy cancel practise.
I used to shoot my gun inside a Mazda 3 and Saturn Ion almost every week-end. The owner was always quite pleased, she used to ask me abot how much I enjoy it. Good times.
These days since I'm older, I like to have dinner, some drinks, and a really friendly conversation before going to target practise. My aim is really good, I can almost shoot anywhere I want without even opening my eyes. But sometimes it's better to look and aim.
Awh, good times indeed. I just hope I don't abuse my gun and ruin it, that would be terrible if it broke on me. All this talk about open season makes me wanna make a few calls and get some target practise organized!
I've used a Colt HBAR AR15 for 15 years, and have used the forward assist a total of zero times. It's there as a backup for when shit goes wrong, not for using every reload. I've put thousands of rounds through it, and jammed maybe twice, due to my own failure when reloading that ammunition. Most feed problems are actually due to magazines... which has nothing to do with the rifle's design.
They also make newer rifles based on the AR15 platform with a gas-piston operation if you're that picky about it. But honestly, if you keep your gun well maintained and lubed, it will keep shooting for many many years.
Most civilian model ARs are of higher quality then what the military uses. I have an M16A4 straight from the Marine Corps (Step father was in the marines) and it performs substantially worse then my Ruger SR556 (civilian AR). The M16 is as clean as it can get, marines are told to clean their rifles in downtime and there is a lot of downtime.
The forward assist is to help a round get chambered correctly, combination of sub-par ammo and inefficient design cause rounds to get improperly chambered a lot. It can get pretty dangerous sometimes. If you get a blown primer stuck in the chamber or in the barrel it can explode the gun. This is why I always step back when someone at the range starts pulling the trigger and smacking the gun when its jammed.
On July 08 2011 11:08 Kahuna. wrote: Why do you own guns?
shooting range is fun? hobbies? collections...?
Oh sorry, I was asking the person who posted the OP directly. But yeh, those reasons seem pretty cool. Are those generally the reasons for owning them? Also, to gun owners in general, I'm wondering if there are any gun owners who own guns solely for the purpose of protection. And, what kinds of things contribute to the desire for having this level of protection, since not everyone feels that they need that much protection during their everyday lives. Is it possibly the neighbourhood you live in... i.e. Lots of robberies and break-ins in your region? Or is it just a general sense of extra safety that you feel you need? So yeh, more along the psychology behind owning guns...
Oh, and what is "grandfathering"?
Grandfathering is the act of inheriting guns that are otherwise illegal. Like in the case of the 11 working condition miniguns (gatling guns) in the USA, they weren't made illegal for civilian use before 1984, and all civilian miniguns made before that are perfectly legal to own. They have been sold, and some will probably be inherited.
Now, to your questions. No, I do not keep a gun for protection. I keep one to hunt. It's a bolt action mauser from maybe 30 years ago, caliber .308 (not certain, ages since I used it). No army weapon, in other words. I could see me hunting without a gun, but that would be cruel towards the animals, and when you're going to kill them, I figure it's better that they don't suffer. I use it mostly like a tool when hunting, and I wouldn't dream of using it for protection or threatening anyone, as that could go horribly wrong horribly fast. If someone breaks into my home and steals my shit, I'm not going to take their life because of it. It's just stuff, you can get it in a store. The gun itself is kept in a shooting range about 1 km from my house, locked inside a bunker, picked apart with ammunition in another safe, so they're not going to steal that anyway. Most people breaking into houses in this country are unarmed druggies, and it's extremely rare that they harm you. (And judging by statistics, such is also life in most states in the USA)
I am considering getting a double barreled 12 gauge shotgun for duck/goose hunting though. Not gone into specifics as of yet, but it will undoubtedly be a sturdy gun which can take a beating. Anyone got any good models which doesn't go to hard on the wallet?
I've used a Colt HBAR AR15 for 15 years, and have used the forward assist a total of zero times. It's there as a backup for when shit goes wrong, not for using every reload. I've put thousands of rounds through it, and jammed maybe twice, due to my own failure when reloading that ammunition. Most feed problems are actually due to magazines... which has nothing to do with the rifle's design.
They also make newer rifles based on the AR15 platform with a gas-piston operation if you're that picky about it. But honestly, if you keep your gun well maintained and lubed, it will keep shooting for many many years.
Most civilian model ARs are of higher quality then what the military uses. I have an M16A4 straight from the Marine Corps (Step father was in the marines) and it performs substantially worse then my Ruger SR556 (civilian AR). The M16 is as clean as it can get, marines are told to clean their rifles in downtime and there is a lot of downtime.
The forward assist is to help a round get chambered correctly, combination of sub-par ammo and inefficient design cause rounds to get improperly chambered a lot. It can get pretty dangerous sometimes. If you get a blown primer stuck in the chamber or in the barrel it can explode the gun. This is why I always step back when someone at the range starts pulling the trigger and smacking the gun when its jammed.
Yeah, the military buys bad shit for excessive prices. You can replace everything but the lower receiver, though, since that's where the Serial is. If you're willing to spend a fortune on aftermarket parts for a rifle you don't get to take with you when you get out. I didn't.
The only weapon I hated worse than the M4 was the M249, because my unit was lazy and made us use the magazine well instead of getting belt ammo for us, but they wouldn't give us spare magazines to double spring with. Since it's an open bolt machine gun, and has so high of a rate of fire, a magazine with a single spring feeds too slow, so you get a lot of misfeeds and chopped rounds that way. Like literally chopped in half rounds. Not something you really want going on.
To those complaining about guns: I've recently realized of how unprotected I am in the situation that a burglar or some kind of murderer was to break into my house and pose a critical threat to me and/or my family. I mean really, what can I do if I'm in my bed, and I hear some window breaking? Sure I could fight physically, but what kind of criminal would break into a house without a weapon? We could hide, but its not that hard to find 2+ people in a house in under 10 minutes, especially if those 2+ people are whimpering or crying. Therefore, I've realized that guns (or i guess some alternative weapon, preferably not melee-range) are the only way of defending myself and I plan on getting one when I can.
if i wanted to get a gun for something in case of a emergency like a burglary what would you suggest? I have like no knowledge of guns, but I figure a pistol of some kind.
On July 12 2011 17:14 thisisSSK wrote: To those complaining about guns: I've recently realized of how unprotected I am in the situation that a burglar or some kind of murderer was to break into my house and pose a critical threat to me and/or my family. I mean really, what can I do if I'm in my bed, and I hear some window breaking? Sure I could fight physically, but what kind of criminal would break into a house without a weapon? We could hide, but its not that hard to find 2+ people in a house in under 10 minutes, especially if those 2+ people are whimpering or crying. Therefore, I've realized that guns (or i guess some alternative weapon, preferably not melee-range) are the only way of defending myself and I plan on getting one when I can.
Good points, and those (most ppl, inside and outside of the US) will try to scold you for what you just said and it is just insane. Most ppl live in la-la land and think "I am a good person, not a drug dealer, and dont have enemies so therefor I am safe" This is NOT true, random acts of violence occur all the time, and yes it is terrible and if we could do anything with it that would be great, however that is an impossible task. There ARE THOSE OUT THERE who will kill you for 5 bucks for drugs, and not ONLY in 'ghettos' do these ppl exist.
I understand there are ppl who are not comfortable/dont like guns, fine, dont own them, its better for the gun owning community that you dont own them until you understand them anyways as you will end up hurting yourself of a loved one due to your ignorance about how powerful they truely are, so educate yourself or stay away.
I own: 2 AR-15's, both custom built from a mix of BCM and RRA components, one with just no frills open sites, one with an aimpoint. Kimber 1911 Govt Model Remington 870 12-G shotgun S&W M&p 9mm Custom built Savage .308
I carry the 9 or .45 a lot, and keep the rest around the house for fun/hunting/defense.
To those who don't want/like/respect/appreciate firearms, live in your la-la land, that's fine, just dont bother us who want to RESPONSIBLY own and operate firearms. And PLEASE stay away/don't touch them if you are unfamiliar with them and do NOT let your buddies handle them carelessly, ridicule them for it as it may one day save their or someone elses life. They are NOT toys!
On July 12 2011 17:14 thisisSSK wrote: To those complaining about guns: I've recently realized of how unprotected I am in the situation that a burglar or some kind of murderer was to break into my house and pose a critical threat to me and/or my family. I mean really, what can I do if I'm in my bed, and I hear some window breaking? Sure I could fight physically, but what kind of criminal would break into a house without a weapon? We could hide, but its not that hard to find 2+ people in a house in under 10 minutes, especially if those 2+ people are whimpering or crying. Therefore, I've realized that guns (or i guess some alternative weapon, preferably not melee-range) are the only way of defending myself and I plan on getting one when I can.
Good points, and those (most ppl, inside and outside of the US) will try to scold you for what you just said and it is just insane. Most ppl live in la-la land and think "I am a good person, not a drug dealer, and dont have enemies so therefor I am safe" This is NOT true, random acts of violence occur all the time, and yes it is terrible and if we could do anything with it that would be great, however that is an impossible task. There ARE THOSE OUT THERE who will kill you for 5 bucks for drugs, and not ONLY in 'ghettos' do these ppl exist.
I understand there are ppl who are not comfortable/dont like guns, fine, dont own them, its better for the gun owning community that you dont own them until you understand them anyways as you will end up hurting yourself of a loved one due to your ignorance about how powerful they truely are, so educate yourself or stay away.
I own: 2 AR-15's, both custom built from a mix of BCM and RRA components, one with just no frills open sites, one with an aimpoint. Kimber 1911 Govt Model Remington 870 12-G shotgun S&W M&p 9mm
I carry the 9 or .45 a lot, and keep the rest around the house for fun/hunting/defense.
To those who don't want/like/respect/appreciate firearms, live in your la-la land, that's fine, just dont bother us who want to RESPONSIBLY own and operate firearms. And PLEASE stay away/don't touch them if you are unfamiliar with them and do NOT let your buddies handle them carelessly, ridicule them for it as it may one day save their or someone elses life. They are NOT toys!
Yes you understood me exactly. I'm scared of those "random events." Having a gun around significantly increases your chance of survival in those situations. Also, I have shot my friends rifle on the range and I find it fun as a competitive sport, trying to hit that bulls eye
On July 12 2011 17:22 oogieogie wrote: if i wanted to get a gun for something in case of a emergency like a burglary what would you suggest? I have like no knowledge of guns, but I figure a pistol of some kind.
If you want something purely for home defense, get a shotgun. Preferably in 12-gauge. Pistols are better than nothing for home defense...but just barely. Much easier to accidentally shoot someone with a pistol, too.
Even the more powerful pistol cartridges aren't very reliable for killing other human beings immediately. Not compared to rifle rounds or buckshot. And it's not like portability or concealment are the highest priorities for firearm selection when someone breaks into your house...
If you're worried about collateral damage, use a shell that spews stuff smaller than buckshot. For even odds of having the transgressor survive, use less-lethal rounds (note: both of these actions will probably increase your chances of death or injury by some amount).
And weigh out the pros and cons of gun ownership before buying a firearm. I assume you've already done that. though, so that might be moot.
Owning guns for the use of personal defence as a civilian has always been a bizarre thing for me. It seems as if this mentality of "i must own a gun to protect my house from bad d00ds with guns" Is only a problem because guns are available to the general populace in the first place.
I have always felt that a large part of the human race are incredibly unreliable or morally broken and are fairly stupid, allowing the widespread sale of lethal weapons is the last thing i think of as being sensible it should only take one mentally unstable person to walk into a public area and gun down 50 people for it to dawn on people that guns are probably not the best thing to release into civilian every day life. And its not even a case of just saying "well you have to get a gun license and have a psych stability test to be able to get a gun" because all that spinning top has to do is go to daddies locker and pull out his revolver and go to town.
I fully understand its a law or a right (constitution or something?) in a lot of countries. I also really like guns and think they are pretty sweet. But if you think about it, if guns are prohibited then you don't need a gun to protect your selves from another gun. It removes the whole Fight Fire With Fire situation.
I mean in Australia guns are prohibited and no one fears someone mugging you at night with a gun or breaking into your house with a gun.
I mean its hard to look at it from both sides and i fully accept that your outlook is different but it just seems out of this world that you consider a shotgun necessary for HOME defence.
The one bright side to having guns is that if there is a zombie apocalypse you can kill alot of shit quick
On July 12 2011 17:22 oogieogie wrote: if i wanted to get a gun for something in case of a emergency like a burglary what would you suggest? I have like no knowledge of guns, but I figure a pistol of some kind.
There's really two main options, a shotgun or a pistol. Shotguns have much greater stopping power in the form of slugs and buckshot but also have the ability to shoot smaller buckshot or birdshot which minimizes the chance of hitting anybody on the street or through a wall as well as well as slugs that are designed not to over penetrate. Personally, I wouldn't recommend birdshot or less than lethal rounds for self defense. Their downside is that they are long and somewhat unwieldy in close quarters. Some people try to overcome this with a pistol grip but this makes it much harder to shoot. Another downside is that it isn't the most simple to shoot which could matter in the stressful situation of a home invasion. Many people won't store a round in the chamber which means you have to rack the slide once before you can shoot and in many models, a thumb tab has to be up before you can rack the slide. In my opinion, the Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 are the two best pump action shotguns and aren't all that expensive.
The second option is a pistol. Nowadays, with a good hollow point bullet they have very good stopping power. I would never use a jacketed hollow point as a self defense round, especially in a house where it could go through a person and out a window, or miss and go through a wall. Also, they don't have the stopping power to stop a man all of the time. A handgun is easier to maneuver with in close quarters but may require more training (Although a shotgun requires training too. It's not like in video games where all you have to do is shoot in the general direction of the target). A double action revolver is the simplest gun you can shoot which is important for stressful situations. Literally, all you have to do is point and shoot. The downside is that you only have 6-7 shots and it is slow to reload. A Glock, or similarly operation pistol, is also a good option as it has no external safety, high round capacity and are easy to reload but you have to cock the slide.
On July 12 2011 18:32 Ledo wrote: Owning guns for the use of personal defence as a civilian has always been a bizarre thing for me. It seems as if this mentality of "i must own a gun to protect my house from bad d00ds with guns" Is only a problem because guns are available to the general populace in the first place.
I have always felt that a large part of the human race are incredibly unreliable or morally broken and are fairly stupid, allowing the widespread sale of lethal weapons is the last thing i think of as being sensible it should only take one mentally unstable person to walk into a public area and gun down 50 people for it to dawn on people that guns are probably not the best thing to release into civilian every day life. And its not even a case of just saying "well you have to get a gun license and have a psych stability test to be able to get a gun" because all that spinning top has to do is go to daddies locker and pull out his revolver and go to town.
I fully understand its a law or a right (constitution or something?) in a lot of countries. I also really like guns and think they are pretty sweet. But if you think about it, if guns are prohibited then you don't need a gun to protect your selves from another gun. It removes the whole Fight Fire With Fire situation.
I mean in Australia guns are prohibited and no one fears someone mugging you at night with a gun or breaking into your house with a gun.
I mean its hard to look at it from both sides and i fully accept that your outlook is different but it just seems out of this world that you consider a shotgun necessary for HOME defence.
The one bright side to having guns is that if there is a zombie apocalypse you can kill alot of shit quick
One of the better posts I have seen around here and one I can fully agree with. I wouldnt trust 99% of worlds population to use guns in a safe and responsible way. Most humans are not intelligent, they are highly emotional or have no moral compass whatsoever. Just look at the postings above, where someone wants the gun not to defend himself but to kill the perpetrator and discuss which kind of gun is best to instant kill ? This discussion alone is a sign that people lack the moral resonsibility for carrying guns. If you have a gun the only thing that is for sure is that you, your children or your wife are more likely to die in a domestic violence.
On July 12 2011 18:32 Ledo wrote: Owning guns for the use of personal defence as a civilian has always been a bizarre thing for me. It seems as if this mentality of "i must own a gun to protect my house from bad d00ds with guns" Is only a problem because guns are available to the general populace in the first place.
I have always felt that a large part of the human race are incredibly unreliable or morally broken and are fairly stupid, allowing the widespread sale of lethal weapons is the last thing i think of as being sensible it should only take one mentally unstable person to walk into a public area and gun down 50 people for it to dawn on people that guns are probably not the best thing to release into civilian every day life. And its not even a case of just saying "well you have to get a gun license and have a psych stability test to be able to get a gun" because all that spinning top has to do is go to daddies locker and pull out his revolver and go to town.
I fully understand its a law or a right (constitution or something?) in a lot of countries. I also really like guns and think they are pretty sweet. But if you think about it, if guns are prohibited then you don't need a gun to protect your selves from another gun. It removes the whole Fight Fire With Fire situation.
I mean in Australia guns are prohibited and no one fears someone mugging you at night with a gun or breaking into your house with a gun.
I mean its hard to look at it from both sides and i fully accept that your outlook is different but it just seems out of this world that you consider a shotgun necessary for HOME defence.
The one bright side to having guns is that if there is a zombie apocalypse you can kill alot of shit quick
Since Australia's gun ban, armed robberies increase 45% In the Australian state of Victoria, gun homicides have climbed 300 percent;
and also:
Moreover, a black market allegedly has developed in the country. The report said about 1 million Chinese-made semi-automatics, "one type of gun specifically targeted by the new law," have been imported and sold throughout the country
another quote from that article, altho it's about guns in US:
Lott's research indicates the criminal element has been successful in obtaining weapons despite widespread bans and gun control laws, while HCI continues to push for more laws that further restrict, license or eliminate handguns and long guns.
On July 12 2011 06:07 PlaGuE_R wrote: I'd love to have an M4, just to stroke it, gaze at it, and sometimes shoot it at a range :D
Why? M4's are atrocious. I mean, they still make the stupid things with a forward assist and the rather pitiful charging handle. They double feed and jam something fierce. They're a pain to maintain...
i dont give a damn. I'm not a gun nut. I don't like guns. I just think the M4 is pretty so i dont care if other guns are better, i dont care if its outdated, i dont care if its got forward assist, whatever that is. it's like an Alfa Romeo, its beautiful, but u will end up in a cloud of smoke on the motorway staring forlornly at your engine.
The forward assist is basically a little mechanical button thing on the side you have to hit with your hand after you chamber the first round to make sure the bolt went all the way forward, because the design is shit and they slapped a band-aid on it instead of giving the US military something that works instead.
Maybe I'm just bitter about having basically the least reliable weapon known to man be the primary infantry weapon of the US Army...
Use one a few times, and you learn to despise them.
I've used a Colt HBAR AR15 for 15 years, and have used the forward assist a total of zero times. It's there as a backup for when shit goes wrong, not for using every reload. I've put thousands of rounds through it, and jammed maybe twice, due to my own failure when reloading that ammunition. Most feed problems are actually due to magazines... which has nothing to do with the rifle's design.
They also make newer rifles based on the AR15 platform with a gas-piston operation if you're that picky about it. But honestly, if you keep your gun well maintained and lubed, it will keep shooting for many many years.
Also, keep in mind that you can use the forward assist to stealth chamber a round, so in that way it's pretty useful to have.
On July 12 2011 17:14 thisisSSK wrote: To those complaining about guns: I've recently realized of how unprotected I am in the situation that a burglar or some kind of murderer was to break into my house and pose a critical threat to me and/or my family. I mean really, what can I do if I'm in my bed, and I hear some window breaking? Sure I could fight physically, but what kind of criminal would break into a house without a weapon? We could hide, but its not that hard to find 2+ people in a house in under 10 minutes, especially if those 2+ people are whimpering or crying. Therefore, I've realized that guns (or i guess some alternative weapon, preferably not melee-range) are the only way of defending myself and I plan on getting one when I can.
Good points, and those (most ppl, inside and outside of the US) will try to scold you for what you just said and it is just insane. Most ppl live in la-la land and think "I am a good person, not a drug dealer, and dont have enemies so therefor I am safe" This is NOT true, random acts of violence occur all the time, and yes it is terrible and if we could do anything with it that would be great, however that is an impossible task. There ARE THOSE OUT THERE who will kill you for 5 bucks for drugs, and not ONLY in 'ghettos' do these ppl exist.
I understand there are ppl who are not comfortable/dont like guns, fine, dont own them, its better for the gun owning community that you dont own them until you understand them anyways as you will end up hurting yourself of a loved one due to your ignorance about how powerful they truely are, so educate yourself or stay away.
I own: 2 AR-15's, both custom built from a mix of BCM and RRA components, one with just no frills open sites, one with an aimpoint. Kimber 1911 Govt Model Remington 870 12-G shotgun S&W M&p 9mm Custom built Savage .308
I carry the 9 or .45 a lot, and keep the rest around the house for fun/hunting/defense.
To those who don't want/like/respect/appreciate firearms, live in your la-la land, that's fine, just dont bother us who want to RESPONSIBLY own and operate firearms. And PLEASE stay away/don't touch them if you are unfamiliar with them and do NOT let your buddies handle them carelessly, ridicule them for it as it may one day save their or someone elses life. They are NOT toys!
While I can understand that kind of standpoint from someone who lives in the US or North America in general, most people in my area, western europe, would probably have a higher chance statistically to harm themselves or others with their firearm than successfully fight of an invader in their home that would kill them if they didnt have a firearm.
Secondly I think I've come to realize that the situation in the US is vastly different concerning firearms, not only the mentality towards them, but also from an economic and logistical standpoint. Weapons industries, from what I've seen are huge on the north american continent, so logically they saturate the market a lot more than they would in most of western europe. Which of course makes it easier for your typical thug to get a firearm and use it for his not so honorable deeds. At this point trying to disarm the population at large is not the right thing to do, this would have to be done over a longer timeframe than just a few years. I would guess at least 50 years still wouldnt be enough to do this safely.
In most of western europe this problem from what i have experienced does not exist to this extent. Firearms arent widely available for just anyone who wants one, you actually have to work the system quite a bit if you want to illegaly import something more than a .22 peashooter (this is just my personal observation though). So while in the US you actually have reason from a statistical and maybe economic standpoint to own guns, in western europe most people just dont feel threatened enough by the odd random act of violence to own a gun or have one at their home.
On July 12 2011 18:32 Ledo wrote: Owning guns for the use of personal defence as a civilian has always been a bizarre thing for me. It seems as if this mentality of "i must own a gun to protect my house from bad d00ds with guns" Is only a problem because guns are available to the general populace in the first place.
I have always felt that a large part of the human race are incredibly unreliable or morally broken and are fairly stupid, allowing the widespread sale of lethal weapons is the last thing i think of as being sensible it should only take one mentally unstable person to walk into a public area and gun down 50 people for it to dawn on people that guns are probably not the best thing to release into civilian every day life. And its not even a case of just saying "well you have to get a gun license and have a psych stability test to be able to get a gun" because all that spinning top has to do is go to daddies locker and pull out his revolver and go to town.
I fully understand its a law or a right (constitution or something?) in a lot of countries. I also really like guns and think they are pretty sweet. But if you think about it, if guns are prohibited then you don't need a gun to protect your selves from another gun. It removes the whole Fight Fire With Fire situation.
I mean in Australia guns are prohibited and no one fears someone mugging you at night with a gun or breaking into your house with a gun.
I mean its hard to look at it from both sides and i fully accept that your outlook is different but it just seems out of this world that you consider a shotgun necessary for HOME defence.
The one bright side to having guns is that if there is a zombie apocalypse you can kill alot of shit quick
Moreover, a black market allegedly has developed in the country. The report said about 1 million Chinese-made semi-automatics, "one type of gun specifically targeted by the new law," have been imported and sold throughout the country
another quote from that article, altho it's about guns in US:
Lott's research indicates the criminal element has been successful in obtaining weapons despite widespread bans and gun control laws, while HCI continues to push for more laws that further restrict, license or eliminate handguns and long guns.
I don't know how to do that spoiler thing so bear with me. That article was from 2000 4 years after the removal of guns, of course crime is going to fluctuate after such a massive change. Of course by now its pretty safe to expect that people have adapted a fair bit more. I have never personally read of any homicides involving two regular Joes or any sort of trespassing homicides involving a gun. The only people afaik or have heard about are the underworld characters knocking eachother off.
On July 12 2011 06:07 PlaGuE_R wrote: I'd love to have an M4, just to stroke it, gaze at it, and sometimes shoot it at a range :D
Why? M4's are atrocious. I mean, they still make the stupid things with a forward assist and the rather pitiful charging handle. They double feed and jam something fierce. They're a pain to maintain...
i dont give a damn. I'm not a gun nut. I don't like guns. I just think the M4 is pretty so i dont care if other guns are better, i dont care if its outdated, i dont care if its got forward assist, whatever that is. it's like an Alfa Romeo, its beautiful, but u will end up in a cloud of smoke on the motorway staring forlornly at your engine.
The forward assist is basically a little mechanical button thing on the side you have to hit with your hand after you chamber the first round to make sure the bolt went all the way forward, because the design is shit and they slapped a band-aid on it instead of giving the US military something that works instead.
Maybe I'm just bitter about having basically the least reliable weapon known to man be the primary infantry weapon of the US Army...
Use one a few times, and you learn to despise them.
I've used a Colt HBAR AR15 for 15 years, and have used the forward assist a total of zero times. It's there as a backup for when shit goes wrong, not for using every reload. I've put thousands of rounds through it, and jammed maybe twice, due to my own failure when reloading that ammunition. Most feed problems are actually due to magazines... which has nothing to do with the rifle's design.
They also make newer rifles based on the AR15 platform with a gas-piston operation if you're that picky about it. But honestly, if you keep your gun well maintained and lubed, it will keep shooting for many many years.
Also, keep in mind that you can use the forward assist to stealth chamber a round, so in that way it's pretty useful to have.
No, it's a band-aid on a problem that exists due to shit design. Smacking it around still makes a decent amount of noise, and there's almost no situation where you should need to use it for that anyways. The few I could think of, the noise would still be enough to get someones attention, but without the convenience of making them wet their pants.
If you're intending to use it, there should be a round chambered already, and if you're using it for home defense, odds are the house is quiet enough that they'll hear you slapping the forward assist. It takes a fair amount of oomph to get a round chambered quietly that way.
I own no guns as of now. I would like to own a Glock though just because where I live isnt the greatest part of Las Vegas. Just for safety issues. I have fired the Glock before and just think its a great gun. However I have fired a M4 also that would be a dream to own one also lol. :D
On July 12 2011 23:50 SeizeTheDay wrote: I own no guns as of now. I would like to own a Glock though just because where I live isnt the greatest part of Las Vegas. Just for safety issues. I have fired the Glock before and just think its a great gun. However I have fired a M4 also that would be a dream to own one also lol. :D
Glocks suck, if you like the lack of an actual safety catch, an XD is much better. Higher quality pistol, very accurate. First time I shot my friend's .40 XD we were just plinking, I hit one of the large monster cans at ~25-30m second shot.
On July 12 2011 18:32 Ledo wrote: But if you think about it, if guns are prohibited then you don't need a gun to protect your selves from another gun. It removes the whole Fight Fire With Fire situation.
Not really, that just means criminals have weapons and law abiding citizens wont.
I said I'd post a couple videos a few pages back so here they are
Short vid of me shooting my friend's M2 Benelli (12 Gauge, semiautomatic shotgun) with 3 inch mag buckshot, with a stupid looking grin on my face afterwards ^_v. Had a pretty good kick to it.
My friend shooting clay's (and fumbling around lol) with the same gun, even though its not really designed for this we could still hit them. Sorry about the skinny ass video and the jerkyness, these were taken with my cellphone and I forgot to turn it sideways.
On July 12 2011 18:32 Ledo wrote: Owning guns for the use of personal defence as a civilian has always been a bizarre thing for me. It seems as if this mentality of "i must own a gun to protect my house from bad d00ds with guns" Is only a problem because guns are available to the general populace in the first place.
I have always felt that a large part of the human race are incredibly unreliable or morally broken and are fairly stupid, allowing the widespread sale of lethal weapons is the last thing i think of as being sensible it should only take one mentally unstable person to walk into a public area and gun down 50 people for it to dawn on people that guns are probably not the best thing to release into civilian every day life. And its not even a case of just saying "well you have to get a gun license and have a psych stability test to be able to get a gun" because all that spinning top has to do is go to daddies locker and pull out his revolver and go to town.
I fully understand its a law or a right (constitution or something?) in a lot of countries. I also really like guns and think they are pretty sweet. But if you think about it, if guns are prohibited then you don't need a gun to protect your selves from another gun. It removes the whole Fight Fire With Fire situation.
I mean in Australia guns are prohibited and no one fears someone mugging you at night with a gun or breaking into your house with a gun.
I mean its hard to look at it from both sides and i fully accept that your outlook is different but it just seems out of this world that you consider a shotgun necessary for HOME defence.
The one bright side to having guns is that if there is a zombie apocalypse you can kill alot of shit quick
Moreover, a black market allegedly has developed in the country. The report said about 1 million Chinese-made semi-automatics, "one type of gun specifically targeted by the new law," have been imported and sold throughout the country
another quote from that article, altho it's about guns in US:
Lott's research indicates the criminal element has been successful in obtaining weapons despite widespread bans and gun control laws, while HCI continues to push for more laws that further restrict, license or eliminate handguns and long guns.
^ The article just says the government accuses the NRA of propaganda, not that this is true. Furthermore, while the article doesn't seem to really indicate who is right in the situation, just the argument, at the bottom half it seems quite pro-gun, giving a bunch of statistics from the FBI and US Crime Statistics to the same effect the NRA has to Australia - about how a bunch of restrictive gun laws caused increases in crime, how crime rose in gun-ban places in the US, the nature of gun users, etc.
On July 13 2011 08:48 Jcnorheim wrote: I don't know enough to criticize, but I have to ask: why is it acceptable to leave guns loaded when you're done shooting targets/deer, etc?
it isn't. thats the first thing i learned. when done shooting, unload and lock the gun so the chamber is showing. maybe different for hunting? can't answer that one.
On July 13 2011 08:48 Jcnorheim wrote: I don't know enough to criticize, but I have to ask: why is it acceptable to leave guns loaded when you're done shooting targets/deer, etc?
it isn't. thats the first thing i learned. when done shooting, unload and lock the gun so the chamber is showing. maybe different for hunting? can't answer that one.
however a typical thug would disagree with that.
It's reasonable to have a (single) firearm loaded, no round in the chamber, and not accessible to children, for home defense purposes.
That being said, you have to be SURE it's not accessible to children, and also not easily accessible to anyone else. If you're going to have a party, or a situation where controlling access is more difficult, it should be unloaded and locked up with any other firearms for the duration.
On July 13 2011 08:48 Jcnorheim wrote: I don't know enough to criticize, but I have to ask: why is it acceptable to leave guns loaded when you're done shooting targets/deer, etc?
I have no idea where you heard that, but it's generally accepted that guns should be empty and chambers clearly open and cleared whenever you're not at the firing line at a range / ready to shoot.
On July 13 2011 08:48 Jcnorheim wrote: I don't know enough to criticize, but I have to ask: why is it acceptable to leave guns loaded when you're done shooting targets/deer, etc?
People generally don't keep all their guns loaded when transporting and storing them but they may also keep a weapon or two on a certain level of loaded for self defense. If you don't keep a round in the chamber you can never accidentally pull the trigger and fire but that's also something you may forget to do or not have time to do when you have to. A safety is less of a hassle to work but if you mishandle your gun you may turn off the safety and pull the trigger accidentally. Still, people have been killed for forgetting to turn off their safety. It's simply a bad idea to store a double action revolver in single action mode.
On July 13 2011 08:48 Jcnorheim wrote: I don't know enough to criticize, but I have to ask: why is it acceptable to leave guns loaded when you're done shooting targets/deer, etc?
People generally don't keep all their guns loaded when transporting and storing them but they may also keep a weapon or two on a certain level of loaded for self defense. If you don't keep a round in the chamber you can never accidentally pull the trigger and fire but that's also something you may forget to do or not have time to do when you have to. A safety is less of a hassle to work but if you mishandle your gun you may turn off the safety and pull the trigger accidentally. Still, people have been killed for forgetting to turn off their safety. It's simply a bad idea to store a double action revolver in single action mode.
I'd also go to say that in the state of California it's illegal to have a loaded firearm(even in the magazine) while you're driving or transporting, I've seen tons of people get fined for this and it's a pretty big safety issue...and I shouldn't have to explain why.
Apart from that, I recently got a Winchester model 70 featherweight rifle. It shoots really nice, and I've begun loading my own ammunition for it as well since it seems to like a particular load. I use it for hunting mostly as well as target shooting, it's a very nice gun. Does anyone know and good indicator of it being a pre-64 rifle? I haven't really found any good places of information to see if it is, the serial isn't even that much help. if it IS a pre-64, appearantly it's supposed to be worth quite a bit of money.
I've used a Colt HBAR AR15 for 15 years, and have used the forward assist a total of zero times. It's there as a backup for when shit goes wrong, not for using every reload. I've put thousands of rounds through it, and jammed maybe twice, due to my own failure when reloading that ammunition. Most feed problems are actually due to magazines... which has nothing to do with the rifle's design.
They also make newer rifles based on the AR15 platform with a gas-piston operation if you're that picky about it. But honestly, if you keep your gun well maintained and lubed, it will keep shooting for many many years.
Most civilian model ARs are of higher quality then what the military uses. I have an M16A4 straight from the Marine Corps (Step father was in the marines) and it performs substantially worse then my Ruger SR556 (civilian AR). The M16 is as clean as it can get, marines are told to clean their rifles in downtime and there is a lot of downtime.
The forward assist is to help a round get chambered correctly, combination of sub-par ammo and inefficient design cause rounds to get improperly chambered a lot. It can get pretty dangerous sometimes. If you get a blown primer stuck in the chamber or in the barrel it can explode the gun. This is why I always step back when someone at the range starts pulling the trigger and smacking the gun when its jammed.
This really. remember, when you work for the government your tools are made by the lowest bidder. There are plenty of civilian guns who have better quality then the military ones (full automatic not withstanding) For example, BCM makes AR's for about 1k that is better then the TDP.
On July 12 2011 17:22 oogieogie wrote: if i wanted to get a gun for something in case of a emergency like a burglary what would you suggest? I have like no knowledge of guns, but I figure a pistol of some kind.
I'd suggest going to the range and shooting a few different models to see what you like. I generally don't recommend revolvers over semi autos, but for my friends that look for nightstand guns ONLY, and don't expect to take them out for practice much......I make an exception. You don't have to remember if you have a round chambered or not, no safety controls to speak of etc.
There are quite a few good small revolvers out there now, notably the ruger LCR and the S&W bodyguard 38. I can recommend them because they are much more plug n play then semi autos. You can expect them to get off all 6 rounds, and if not a failure in one round isn't going to put your whole weapon out of commission. There are few if any controls to get the firearm working, pretty much just pick it up and pull the trigger.
So basically the most effect with the least amount of training would be some small (ish) revolver. The biggest downside to them (and the reason I don't have one) is because they are so good at being pocket guns or nightstand guns that they can't really do anything else very well at all.
On July 12 2011 23:50 SeizeTheDay wrote: I own no guns as of now. I would like to own a Glock though just because where I live isnt the greatest part of Las Vegas. Just for safety issues. I have fired the Glock before and just think its a great gun. However I have fired a M4 also that would be a dream to own one also lol. :D
Glocks suck, if you like the lack of an actual safety catch, an XD is much better. Higher quality pistol, very accurate. First time I shot my friend's .40 XD we were just plinking, I hit one of the large monster cans at ~25-30m second shot.
XD's feel terrible. They are pretty much just terrible imitations of a Glock.
I'd like a Walther PPK since it's the James Bond pistol :> Funnily enough a quick wikipedia says it originated in Nazi Germany... which I guess is appropriate with the Royal Family being German as well :p
On July 13 2011 19:03 MoonfireSpam wrote: I'd like a Walther PPK since it's the James Bond pistol :> Funnily enough a quick wikipedia says it originated in Nazi Germany... which I guess is appropriate with the Royal Family being German as well :p
Don't get a PPK. They are uncomfortable to operate and the one I shot had numerous FTF and FTE. I've heard modern 380s are much better.
On July 10 2011 11:47 micronesia wrote: Hey guys... gun question :3
If you wanted a gun for the sole purpose of striking a fairly small target (like .5 meter x .5 meter) at a huge distance... which guns would be ideal for that? I'm sure this is situational but... in general, is there a gun or type of gun that specializes in hitting very long distance targets accurately?
What properties of a bullet would you need in order to maximize your range? Resistance to the effects of wind is an obvious consideration also...
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Remington 700 is an iconic sniper rifle, and is used by both the Army and the Marines (the M24 and M40 are both R700s, with the latter being more modified). It fires a .308 round, which is about as big as rifles get except for .338 (rare magnum cartridge) and .50BMG (extremely loud and powerful, good for long range and anti-material/vehicle). With modification and a good shooter, they're capable of point of impact variations of only an inch or so per 100 yards you shoot (the longer the shot, however, the more gravity and wind have to be accounted for).
Best part is, they can be found for $500, though nicer/fancier variants will cost more. If you want to experience shooting a high-powered round for cheap, get a $100 Mosin and some cheap surplus ammo: it won't be nearly as accurate, and mounting a scope is not worth doing, but they're fun.
Ah the good old mosin. One of the few guns to have fought against itself and won.
Also just as a fyi the mosin is still one the most accurate rifles around. That is what was used in vietnam.
Uhhhh, I'm calling bullshit on that. Maybe it was accurate for it time and its cost, but from what I've seen about them, most are quite inaccurate, getting 3 or 4 inch groups at 100 yards. The rifle I currently plan on buying, the rather inexpensive Savage Axis, gets 1 inch groups.
Yeah you're right. The high-quality Sniper models were accurate when they were made, but the general cranked-out-by-the-bushel Mosins aren't that accurate. 3-4" @ 100yards is still easily accurate enough to kill someone, but once you get out past 200-300 yards it doesn't cut it. Occasionally you get lucky and find an accurate one, especially among the pre-war rifles.
I posted earlier that I have a Taurus PT-92 9mm. I am heavily contemplating a .357 Mag too now, the Taurus 627 Tracker. I know they get some heat sometimes, but Taurus makes a good gun. You can't argue with a lifetime warranty either!
speaking of guns, i came across this tv show not long ago and its so freaking awesome. its about a gun modding shop, similar style to occ. last episode they built a triple m16
On July 10 2011 11:33 Wodus wrote: I found that most in here dont own sniper rifles and i wondered why? Is it price? availability? simply not interested?
Is there a chance to try those out in the US by chance on a shooting range for instance?
The rifles are extremely expensive and match grade ammunition even more so ( over $1/bullet for .308 and close to $5/bullet for .50 BMG)
There aren't many places to make use of a rifle with that much power and accuracy, since long distance rifle ranges (>200yds) aren't that common and most people don't have huge amounts of private land available for long range shooting. Shooting larger rounds at short ranges requires special target backstops to prevent ricochets, though those rounds will penetrate steel plates.
You could try to find a local shooting club and see if they do group shoots. Sometimes manufacturers reps will attend events like that and bring firearms to try out.
Too bad AK-47s and other badass military weapons are prohibited for civilians. When I grow up I want to at least get a nice hunting rifle, so I can go snag them rabbits. But maybe laws will change by then and I can get myself some sniper rifles and machine guns =D, definitely a pistol for self defense at home though, maybe a shotgun if allowed. I wouldn't want my kids blasting my brains out though.
I own a Sierra One paintball gun. It's not a real gun, I know, but paintball is fun as. I love guns but I couldn't imagine speding up on something I couldn't use.
On July 31 2011 17:58 Xaerkar wrote: Too bad AK-47s and other badass military weapons are prohibited for civilians. When I grow up I want to at least get a nice hunting rifle, so I can go snag them rabbits. But maybe laws will change by then and I can get myself some sniper rifles and machine guns =D, definitely a pistol for self defense at home though, maybe a shotgun if allowed. I wouldn't want my kids blasting my brains out though.
I assume you're young but in terms of having kids and gun safety I'd recommend everyone that has any concern about the subject watch these videos. + Show Spoiler +
This is just about general gun safety.
This video is a bit long winded but there a lot of important points and deals with teaching your children to shoot safely past just keeping them safe from guns.
Also, none of the firearms you mentioned are banned. AK-47's are generally sold as semi-automatic to civilians, unlike their military counter parts but with enough money (a lot), back ground checks and paper work you can own an automatic weapon in the US.
On July 10 2011 07:55 tonning wrote: Will never own a gun because it's pretty safe here, also the police doesn't carry guns when they are out on the street or w/e, only in emergencys where there are knifes/guns/robbery blabla.. Also the only people carrying any type of guns here are these people : "Garden"
On July 10 2011 07:55 tonning wrote: Will never own a gun because it's pretty safe here, also the police doesn't carry guns when they are out on the street or w/e, only in emergencys where there are knifes/guns/robbery blabla.. Also the only people carrying any type of guns here are these people : "Garden"
july 10 and from norway..
oh the irony..
You seem like a really nice guy, wanna be friends ?
On July 10 2011 07:55 tonning wrote: Will never own a gun because it's pretty safe here, also the police doesn't carry guns when they are out on the street or w/e, only in emergencys where there are knifes/guns/robbery blabla.. Also the only people carrying any type of guns here are these people : "Garden"
july 10 and from norway..
oh the irony..
You seem like a really nice guy, wanna be friends ?
Currently: Pistols- Glock 23 .40 Springfield 1911A1 Loaded .45 ACP Sig 229 .40 Ruger MkIII (wife's little .22) HnK USP 40 (Duty carry)
Rifles- Armalite AR15 M4 .223/5.56 Springfield M1A .308 FN FNAR .308 Century Arms AK47 7.62x39 Colt M4A1 at work. Full auto
Shotgun- Remington 870 12 ga (police 6 round mag)
Future: Remington 700 in .308 or 300 win mag or other long range round Gas Piston AR Tricked out race 1911 for competition I can always hope the ban on full autos is repealed and can pick one up for a reasonable price.
As to the 'why?', they are all fun to shoot. As a member of the law enforcement community, I know that when seconds count, I'm minutes away. I'll be damned if someone is going to harm my family because my wife or I have no response.
To date, none of my weapons have harmed a human being, nor have I caught one trying to sneak out the door on it's own accord.
On August 01 2011 00:45 weekendracer wrote: Currently: Pistols- Glock 23 .40 Springfield 1911A1 Loaded .45 ACP Sig 229 .40 Ruger MkIII (wife's little .22) HnK USP 40 (Duty carry)
Rifles- Armalite AR15 M4 .223/5.56 Springfield M1A .308 FN FNAR .308 Century Arms AK47 7.62x39 Colt M4A1 at work. Full auto
Shotgun- Remington 870 12 ga (police 6 round mag)
Future: Remington 700 in .308 or 300 win mag or other long range round Gas Piston AR Tricked out race 1911 for competition I can always hope the ban on full autos is repealed and can pick one up for a reasonable price.
As to the 'why?', they are all fun to shoot. As a member of the law enforcement community, I know that when seconds count, I'm minutes away. I'll be damned if someone is going to harm my family because my wife or I have no response.
To date, none of my weapons have harmed a human being, nor have I caught one trying to sneak out the door on it's own accord.
Just curious do you carry when off duty?
Also since I live in canada if I moved to the us would I be able to bring my guns? and how long before I could buy guns there.
On August 01 2011 00:48 Brethern wrote: Just curious do you carry when off duty?
Also since I live in canada if I moved to the us would I be able to bring my guns? and how long before I could buy guns there.
There are some technical issues if you are an immigrant. By rights, I should know them off hand, but the laws and regs are pretty convoluted. No promises, but I'll try to remember to look into it and send you a PM with some places to look into it.
And yes, I carry off duty. My work is generally in small towns, everyone knows everyone and where we live. I've been pretty lucky, but some others have had armed encounters. I'm a big fan of big dogs for perimeter security. If they're dumb enough to test the dogs, they're dumb enough to test me.
On August 01 2011 00:48 Brethern wrote: Just curious do you carry when off duty?
Also since I live in canada if I moved to the us would I be able to bring my guns? and how long before I could buy guns there.
There are some technical issues if you are an immigrant. By rights, I should know them off hand, but the laws and regs are pretty convoluted. No promises, but I'll try to remember to look into it and send you a PM with some places to look into it.
And yes, I carry off duty. My work is generally in small towns, everyone knows everyone and where we live. I've been pretty lucky, but some others have had armed encounters. I'm a big fan of big dogs for perimeter security. If they're dumb enough to test the dogs, they're dumb enough to test me.
That's pretty much the only reason why I want to have the right to carry. I'm more concerned about animals than humans.
What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
If you want to criticize gun ownership or talk about gun control, in this thread, don't. Every gun owner has heard it a thousand times before and that's not what this thread is for. Don't respond to it either. Feel free to ask about gun ownership, i.e. price, why we own guns, the process of getting them, etc.
ROFL this is great im gonna start prefacing everything i talk about with this. I will now be able to win every conversation i have ever been in because if anyone talks about something i dont like or asked them not too i can just get them banned because I make the rules about what people talk about.
I have a glock 17, mossberg 590 and a ruger 10/22. I don't own guns because i feel scared for my life. i own guns because i find going target shooting with family and friends very enjoyable (and theory crafting the zombie invasion, amirite?!?!) haha. I would like to get an AK-47 for my next gun. not really that big of a fan of the Ar.
What? There are tons of gun control threads. There are no gun threads. We are trying to keep this a thread about guns, and not go off subject into gun control.
I didn't think it was that hard to understand, we aren't 'winning' any arguments here because we aren't having any.
On August 01 2011 02:07 dogabutila wrote: What? There are tons of gun control threads. There are no gun threads. We are trying to keep this a thread about guns, and not go off subject into gun control.
I didn't think it was that hard to understand, we aren't 'winning' any arguments here because we aren't having any.
thats fair enough and i agree with you but im just calling it like it is. Its just a wierd statement to start your thread with. If you were so confident in your gun ownership you shouldn't mind to thwart some other idiot who doesn't agree with your views.
But back on topic if i ever were to lose my mind and buy a gun, Id get the rail gun from quake
On August 01 2011 01:54 Tschis wrote: What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
The only thing preventing it from being used for hunting are fudds.
On August 01 2011 02:07 dogabutila wrote: What? There are tons of gun control threads. There are no gun threads. We are trying to keep this a thread about guns, and not go off subject into gun control.
I didn't think it was that hard to understand, we aren't 'winning' any arguments here because we aren't having any.
thats fair enough and i agree with you but im just calling it like it is. Its just a wierd statement to start your thread with. If you were so confident in your gun ownership you shouldn't mind to thwart some other idiot who doesn't agree with your views.
But back on topic if i ever were to lose my mind and buy a gun, Id get the rail gun from quake
It's not a big deal responding to one or two people about why gun control and why it isn't unethical or something. This is TL though, where half the people come from non-USA countries who generally do not have favorable views towards guns. IMO, if it wasn't made clear that this was a thread about and for guns, then we would have spent the whole time discussing gun control instead.
On August 01 2011 01:54 Tschis wrote: What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
The only thing preventing it from being used for hunting are fudds.
The .223 round sucks. It's a varmit round. You can use it to hunt... varmits. Can't guarantee clean kills on a deer with it.
On August 01 2011 02:07 dogabutila wrote: What? There are tons of gun control threads. There are no gun threads. We are trying to keep this a thread about guns, and not go off subject into gun control.
I didn't think it was that hard to understand, we aren't 'winning' any arguments here because we aren't having any.
thats fair enough and i agree with you but im just calling it like it is. Its just a wierd statement to start your thread with. If you were so confident in your gun ownership you shouldn't mind to thwart some other idiot who doesn't agree with your views.
But back on topic if i ever were to lose my mind and buy a gun, Id get the rail gun from quake
Because the last thread like this one (that I posted quite a bit in, and enjoyed) got closed because people couldn't stop themselves from going on huge anti-gun crusades.
Yes I understand some people hate guns, and hate gun owners, but you shouldn't come into our thread about our hobby and talk about how bad/terrible/awful/whatever it is. Just like you wouldn't go to the KPop thread and be like "omg stupid koreans how do you understand this music is bad hurrrrr" and expect to get away with that.
Lemme go see if I can find my other post from the other thread and put it up here...
Story time! My Grandfather (like many of ours!) served in World War 2, and brought back a ton of souvenirs that I inherited. And Love, I'm a huge WW2 nut. I love everything WW2 related from pre-war things to conspiracy theories. Interesting note here (I had a historian talk to me about it!) that when soldiers brought things back from Europe, the customs had to go through and do things like de-brand the weapons, and that sort of thing. Somehow my grandfather smuggled this through and they didn't reforge the barrel to take off the Eagle+Swastika branded in the barrel. My father never showed me it when I was younger and the thing is in pristine condition. It's awesome.
I used to have some other stuff but they are floating around other family's places at the moment. Pretty much this and some small-game hunting rifles are all I've got, plus a ton of WW2 bayonets and stuff.
On August 01 2011 02:07 dogabutila wrote: What? There are tons of gun control threads. There are no gun threads. We are trying to keep this a thread about guns, and not go off subject into gun control.
I didn't think it was that hard to understand, we aren't 'winning' any arguments here because we aren't having any.
thats fair enough and i agree with you but im just calling it like it is. Its just a wierd statement to start your thread with. If you were so confident in your gun ownership you shouldn't mind to thwart some other idiot who doesn't agree with your views.
But back on topic if i ever were to lose my mind and buy a gun, Id get the rail gun from quake
So you have to Lose your mind to buy a gun? Sheep are scared of "dangerous things" i guess.
On August 01 2011 02:07 dogabutila wrote: What? There are tons of gun control threads. There are no gun threads. We are trying to keep this a thread about guns, and not go off subject into gun control.
I didn't think it was that hard to understand, we aren't 'winning' any arguments here because we aren't having any.
thats fair enough and i agree with you but im just calling it like it is. Its just a wierd statement to start your thread with. If you were so confident in your gun ownership you shouldn't mind to thwart some other idiot who doesn't agree with your views.
But back on topic if i ever were to lose my mind and buy a gun, Id get the rail gun from quake
It's not a big deal responding to one or two people about why gun control and why it isn't unethical or something. This is TL though, where half the people come from non-USA countries who generally do not have favorable views towards guns. IMO, if it wasn't made clear that this was a thread about and for guns, then we would have spent the whole time discussing gun control instead.
On August 01 2011 01:54 Tschis wrote: What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
The only thing preventing it from being used for hunting are fudds.
The .223 round sucks. It's a varmit round. You can use it to hunt... varmits. Can't guarantee clean kills on a deer with it.
yeah, i would much rather get an AK, and this is part of the reason. i know you can get a ar chambered in something higher than 223, but i still prefer the AK style ^_^
On August 01 2011 01:54 Tschis wrote: What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
The only thing preventing it from being used for hunting are fudds.
The .223 round sucks. It's a varmit round. You can use it to hunt... varmits. Can't guarantee clean kills on a deer with it.
That's why our nation hunts people with them? The standard XM193 might suck a little bit, but hits at 600yd+ is worth it. The MK262 or the 77gr BTHPs from Hornady (loaded right) will do a shit load of damage and maintain flatter trajectories.
On August 01 2011 01:54 Tschis wrote: What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
The only thing preventing it from being used for hunting are fudds.
The .223 round sucks. It's a varmit round. You can use it to hunt... varmits. Can't guarantee clean kills on a deer with it.
That's why our nation hunts people with them? The standard XM193 might suck a little bit, but hits at 600yd+ is worth it. The MK262 or the 77gr BTHPs from Hornady (loaded right) will do a shit load of damage and maintain flatter trajectories.
The .223 is a light round that is fairly accurate. That's all that is has going for it. A good marksmen can kill any medium game with it. Which is deer, moose, humans, yotes and bears.
On August 01 2011 06:02 DiaBoLuS wrote: God save america.
personally, i prefer swords over guns.
my uncle went to North dakota for 6 months for work and came back with a legit greatsword. It was the funniest thing when he pulled it out after he was pulling out everyones gifts
On August 01 2011 01:54 Tschis wrote: What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
The only thing preventing it from being used for hunting are fudds.
The .223 round sucks. It's a varmit round. You can use it to hunt... varmits. Can't guarantee clean kills on a deer with it.
That's why our nation hunts people with them? The standard XM193 might suck a little bit, but hits at 600yd+ is worth it. The MK262 or the 77gr BTHPs from Hornady (loaded right) will do a shit load of damage and maintain flatter trajectories.
The .223 is a light round that is fairly accurate. That's all that is has going for it. A good marksmen can kill any medium game with it. Which is deer, moose, humans, yotes and bears.
According to the interwebz .223 and 5.56 x 45mm is not the same kind of ammunition either even if their dimensions are almost identical so that would explain why one is only good for small game and the other is a military round.
On August 01 2011 01:54 Tschis wrote: What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
The only thing preventing it from being used for hunting are fudds.
The .223 round sucks. It's a varmit round. You can use it to hunt... varmits. Can't guarantee clean kills on a deer with it.
That's why our nation hunts people with them? The standard XM193 might suck a little bit, but hits at 600yd+ is worth it. The MK262 or the 77gr BTHPs from Hornady (loaded right) will do a shit load of damage and maintain flatter trajectories.
The .223 is a light round that is fairly accurate. That's all that is has going for it. A good marksmen can kill any medium game with it. Which is deer, moose, humans, yotes and bears.
According to the interwebz .223 and 5.56 x 45mm is not the same kind of ammunition either even if their dimensions are almost identical so that would explain why one is only good for small game and the other is a military round.
It's not the same but they are similar, the 5.56 was derived from the .223.
I picked up a Smith and Wesson Model 60 in .38/.357 last week :D. Currently have some Hornady Critical Defense .357s for carry and some soft .38's and WWB .357s for target shooting. Here's a random internet picture of a Model 60 if you don't know what they look like.
Right now i own two guns. First is an original Colt Kadett Revolver 912, classy but very rare.... Second one is the futuristic but bittersweet and vicous Sugarballer. You can obviously see im into all the bandwith of handfire weapons. Although i always get a boner touching them and pointing peoples heads, i would only use them for self defence of course or to save national security (even though it would be legal to kill the bastard who steals my newspaper every now and then, and i think we all agree that people who steal and rob deserve to be shot...)
Since i got kind of a large backyard, im thinking about getting this beauty, just to shoot some helpless rabbits or hedgehogs, well just for the kicks, i dont eat meat anyway
On August 01 2011 01:54 Tschis wrote: What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
The only thing preventing it from being used for hunting are fudds.
The .223 round sucks. It's a varmit round. You can use it to hunt... varmits. Can't guarantee clean kills on a deer with it.
That's why our nation hunts people with them? The standard XM193 might suck a little bit, but hits at 600yd+ is worth it. The MK262 or the 77gr BTHPs from Hornady (loaded right) will do a shit load of damage and maintain flatter trajectories.
The .223 is a light round that is fairly accurate. That's all that is has going for it. A good marksmen can kill any medium game with it. Which is deer, moose, humans, yotes and bears.
According to the interwebz .223 and 5.56 x 45mm is not the same kind of ammunition either even if their dimensions are almost identical so that would explain why one is only good for small game and the other is a military round.
When people say .223 they usually mean 5.56 here in America. Probably not int he military, but definitely among the civilians. 5.56 is just .223 loaded hotter. And it also goes down to semantics too. 5.56mm is .223".
On August 01 2011 06:31 YipMan wrote: Right now i own two guns. First is an original Colt Kadett Revolver 912, classy but very rare.... Second one is the futuristic but bittersweet and vicous Sugarballer. You can obviously see im into all the bandwith of handfire weapons. Although i always get a boner touching them and pointing peoples heads, i would only use them for self defence of course or to save national security (even though it would be legal to kill the bastard who steals my newspaper every now and then, and i think we all agree that people who steal and rob deserve to be shot...)
Since i got kind of a large backyard, im thinking about getting this beauty, just to shoot some helpless rabbits or hedgehogs, well just for the kicks, i dont eat meat anyway
On August 01 2011 06:31 YipMan wrote: Right now i own two guns. First is an original Colt Kadett Revolver 912, classy but very rare.... Second one is the futuristic but bittersweet and vicous Sugarballer. You can obviously see im into all the bandwith of handfire weapons. Although i always get a boner touching them and pointing peoples heads, i would only use them for self defence of course or to save national security (even though it would be legal to kill the bastard who steals my newspaper every now and then, and i think we all agree that people who steal and rob deserve to be shot...)
Since i got kind of a large backyard, im thinking about getting this beauty, just to shoot some helpless rabbits or hedgehogs, well just for the kicks, i dont eat meat anyway
I own(ed) a Glock 19 but since my gun permit expired in February and i was denied renewal of the same(yeah the country/MIA can deny this without giving explanation whatsoever), it has to stay in a safe. And I'm envious at Americans(especially in the south) who can obtain firearms with great ease Also at some point of my life I'd love to have my very own S&W 500, Beretta m9/92fs and a H&K mp5(it's nearly impossible to obtain permit for automatic weapons here)
On August 01 2011 02:07 dogabutila wrote: What? There are tons of gun control threads. There are no gun threads. We are trying to keep this a thread about guns, and not go off subject into gun control.
I didn't think it was that hard to understand, we aren't 'winning' any arguments here because we aren't having any.
thats fair enough and i agree with you but im just calling it like it is. Its just a wierd statement to start your thread with. If you were so confident in your gun ownership you shouldn't mind to thwart some other idiot who doesn't agree with your views.
But back on topic if i ever were to lose my mind and buy a gun, Id get the rail gun from quake
So you have to Lose your mind to buy a gun? Sheep are scared of "dangerous things" i guess.
you really think that guns are just "dangerous things"?
I dont have to lose my mind to buy a gun thats easy to do. But to delude myself into thinking i need one id have to lose it.
But i totally understand the need for fully automatic ak's just cause its your hobby and your right!. Hookers and blow are my hobby i would like that legalized as well please.
If you want to criticize gun ownership or talk about gun control, in this thread, don't. Every gun owner has heard it a thousand times before and that's not what this thread is for. Don't respond to it either. Feel free to ask about gun ownership, i.e. price, why we own guns, the process of getting them, etc.
ROFL this is great im gonna start prefacing everything i talk about with this. I will now be able to win every conversation i have ever been in because if anyone talks about something i dont like or asked them not too i can just get them banned because I make the rules about what people talk about.
User was warned for this post
I don't want to win anything in this thread. If I was interested in Pokemon and wanted to talk about game play and the general trend of people was to come into any thread that had anything to do with Pokemon and bash on the game and say people shouldn't play it, how am I "winning" by making it clear that I only want to talk about game play?
On August 01 2011 02:07 dogabutila wrote: What? There are tons of gun control threads. There are no gun threads. We are trying to keep this a thread about guns, and not go off subject into gun control.
I didn't think it was that hard to understand, we aren't 'winning' any arguments here because we aren't having any.
thats fair enough and i agree with you but im just calling it like it is. Its just a wierd statement to start your thread with. If you were so confident in your gun ownership you shouldn't mind to thwart some other idiot who doesn't agree with your views.
But back on topic if i ever were to lose my mind and buy a gun, Id get the rail gun from quake
So you have to Lose your mind to buy a gun? Sheep are scared of "dangerous things" i guess.
you really think that guns are just "dangerous things"?
I dont have to lose my mind to buy a gun thats easy to do. But to delude myself into thinking i need one id have to lose it.
But i totally understand the need for fully automatic ak's just cause its your hobby and your right!. Hookers and blow are my hobby i would like that legalized as well please.
Yet another person not knowing what their talking about. fully auto Ak's aren't legal. Though to be honest they should be legal. keep letting the media tell you how to think, i'm sure it will work out well for you.
On August 01 2011 01:54 Tschis wrote: What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
Mainly a portable gun to shoot relatively cheap and accurate rounds at short to medium long distances. Also, to have in case of a break down in the rule of law, for example, Hurricane Katrina. I do think there is a small chance that a similar or more severe and prolonged situation could happen.
The picture still works for me but here is the closest one I could find with a quick google search. Mine has cutouts on the trigger and hammer and the trigger and barrel are silver colored. + Show Spoiler +
On August 01 2011 02:07 dogabutila wrote: What? There are tons of gun control threads. There are no gun threads. We are trying to keep this a thread about guns, and not go off subject into gun control.
I didn't think it was that hard to understand, we aren't 'winning' any arguments here because we aren't having any.
thats fair enough and i agree with you but im just calling it like it is. Its just a wierd statement to start your thread with. If you were so confident in your gun ownership you shouldn't mind to thwart some other idiot who doesn't agree with your views.
But back on topic if i ever were to lose my mind and buy a gun, Id get the rail gun from quake
So you have to Lose your mind to buy a gun? Sheep are scared of "dangerous things" i guess.
you really think that guns are just "dangerous things"?
I dont have to lose my mind to buy a gun thats easy to do. But to delude myself into thinking i need one id have to lose it.
But i totally understand the need for fully automatic ak's just cause its your hobby and your right!. Hookers and blow are my hobby i would like that legalized as well please.
Yet another person not knowing what their talking about. fully auto Ak's aren't legal. Though to be honest they should be legal. keep letting the media tell you how to think, i'm sure it will work out well for you.
Just ignore them, trying to convince someone on the internet of something is like a bronze level player thinking they can 2 -0 Whitera.
On August 01 2011 11:10 cyanide66 wrote: Yet another person not knowing what their talking about. fully auto Ak's aren't legal. Though to be honest they should be legal. keep letting the media tell you how to think, i'm sure it will work out well for you.
Actually; if you're disgustingly rich, have a perfect background, get the signature of the Chief of Police in your area, submit your fingerprints as well as a photo ID to the BATFE and wait 8-10 months for the ATF and FBI to comb every inch of your life as well as pay for and receive a $200 tax stamp... you can own one. As you can see the requirements are quite ridiculous, but it is possible... depending on if you live in a free state. Some states say that even those requirements are not enough, and deny this right entirely.
If anyone thinks I'm BSing... here is the fully auto MP5 a friend of mine let me shoot. You can clearly see the full selector switch. I also have a video of me shooting it however I'm not sure how to upload that.
** If you are a normal citizen, you are basically never going to own one of these. The requirements are incredibly tedious, expensive and comprehensive. A few states don't even allow ownership. Don't forget a fully auto mp5 like this one goes for around $20,000. Still interested? Lay down the cash today and get started on that Class 3 paperwork.
On August 01 2011 11:10 cyanide66 wrote: Yet another person not knowing what their talking about. fully auto Ak's aren't legal. Though to be honest they should be legal. keep letting the media tell you how to think, i'm sure it will work out well for you.
Actually; if you're disgustingly rich, have a perfect background, get the signature of the Chief of Police in your area, submit your fingerprints as well as a photo ID to the BATFE and wait 8-10 months for the ATF and FBI to comb every inch of your life as well as pay for and receive a $200 tax stamp... you can own one. As you can see the requirements are quite ridiculous, but it is possible... depending on if you live in a free state. Some states say that even those requirements are not enough, and deny this right entirely.
If anyone thinks I'm BSing... here is the fully auto MP5 a friend of mine let me shoot. You can clearly see the full selector switch. I also have a video of me shooting it however I'm not sure how to upload that.
Sweet mp5. An indoor gun range near where I live has a couple full auto guns including an mp5 and m4. I rented the mp5 for a session and blew through $100 worth of ammo in a few minutes. Full auto is fun to shoot but is a huge waste of money. Props to your friend for jumping through the hoops to own that smg.
On August 01 2011 11:10 cyanide66 wrote: Yet another person not knowing what their talking about. fully auto Ak's aren't legal. Though to be honest they should be legal. keep letting the media tell you how to think, i'm sure it will work out well for you.
Actually; if you're disgustingly rich, have a perfect background, get the signature of the Chief of Police in your area, submit your fingerprints as well as a photo ID to the BATFE and wait 8-10 months for the ATF and FBI to comb every inch of your life as well as pay for and receive a $200 tax stamp... you can own one. As you can see the requirements are quite ridiculous, but it is possible... depending on if you live in a free state. Some states say that even those requirements are not enough, and deny this right entirely.
If anyone thinks I'm BSing... here is the fully auto MP5 a friend of mine let me shoot. You can clearly see the full selector switch. I also have a video of me shooting it however I'm not sure how to upload that.
Rich is right. Title II firearms cost a pretty penny and then some. (That mp5 is probably worth $13-14k or more, I'm guessing) and obviously any transfer requires ATF approval. Good luck on that ATF Form 4 if you ever want one.
On August 01 2011 01:54 Tschis wrote: What is the "general purpose" of an AR-15 rifle? XD
Btw, your pistol picture isn't showing up, do you mind linking another image? I've tried google but there seems to be several looks for that pistol (the ones who remind me of Medal of Honor are awesome XD)
The only thing preventing it from being used for hunting are fudds.
The .223 round sucks. It's a varmit round. You can use it to hunt... varmits. Can't guarantee clean kills on a deer with it.
That's why our nation hunts people with them? The standard XM193 might suck a little bit, but hits at 600yd+ is worth it. The MK262 or the 77gr BTHPs from Hornady (loaded right) will do a shit load of damage and maintain flatter trajectories.
You know the theory behind the military rounds right? Instead of killing an enemy combatant, and thus, only incapacitating him...wound him instead and take another 2 people out of the fight to drag him, and another person to care for him later.
It's a little bit of a problem in Afghanistan where ranges are far longer then m16's effective ranges are. And by the way they don't use the XM193 anymore for 600+. Army transitioned to 7.62x51 in a squad DM level for those ranges.
And not to mention, if you hit a deer in the vitals it's not uncommon for it to run another 100 yards before dropping.
// .223 vs 5.56. Similar, but different in headspacing. //failed//Protip, you can shoot .223 in a firearm chambered for 5.56 but do not shoot 5.56 in a firearm chambered for .223.
I own a 12 gauge for hunting pheasant and that's about it. Personally, I don't see the fun of shooting a gun, but a lot of my friends collect rifles/pistols.
On August 01 2011 15:13 dogabutila wrote: // .223 vs 5.56. Similar, but different in headspacing. Protip, you can shoot 5.56 in a firearm chambered for .223 but do not shoot .223 in a firearm chambered for 5.56.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought it was the other way around:
A firearm chambered for .223 firing 5.56 rounds will be taking extra wear and tear from the 5.56. On the other hand, a firearm chambered in 5.56 that is firing .223 rounds should be fine, but "less accurate."
I own a Lee Enfield w/ a bayonet manufactured in 1942. It's really cool owning a weapon that was most likely used in WW II. It's like owning a piece of history.
5.56 chambered rifles have a longer headspace, shooting .223 out of them might result in less velocity and accuracy.
.223 chambered rifles have a shorter headspace. Shooting a 5.56 round results in higher chamber pressures. Since the headspace is 1/2 the size in a 5.56 chambered rifle and since 5.56 rounds are slightly longer there is a chance the round can contact the rifling prior to firing and then you can Kb.
New toy. Remington 700 sps tactical. 20 inch barrel. 1-12 twist. No glass on it yet, those are expensive as well. Perhaps in a month or so. I put a few rounds down and it was terrible fun, even if its hard to hit what you want to without optics OR irons.
Surprisingly, there was less felt recoil then off of my AK shooting both offhand. The .308 (7.62x51) has more get up and go then the 7.62x39 and the remmy is lighter so I was expecting to take a beating. The overmold on the end of the stock absorbs so much of the recoil that there is actually a lot less felt recoil.
// The other people at the range today didn't like me cause they couldn't shoot their .22 rifle without earpro anymore.
On August 01 2011 16:00 InfamousSC2 wrote: go be able to own class III guns do you basically have to work in security or be in the military/law enforcement?
No. Post-1986 machine guns can only be sold to military and law enforcement. SBRs, suppressors etc. can be owned by normal citizens with the proper paperwork, provided they're also legal in your state of residence.
I have two firearms. First is a Remington Model 870 Wingmaster shotgun that I use to hunt fowl and the second is a Winchester Model 70 Super Grade rifle for deer or elk. I plan on getting an old Colt SAA revolver down the road but I need to find a good one in proper firing order.
As for how I keep them, all firearms are in a locked cabinet with key and combination. Ammo is separated into a box within the cabinet under it's own key and combination. The cabinet is in the corner of my closet. I'm anal about safety with them.
Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
On December 29 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote: Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
With all the speculation about gun control laws, I would imagine price's would go up as people stockpile ammunition.
I was wondering if anyone has some advice. Looking for a small handgun to purchase. Purpose is not for hunting rather home defense. I live with my mom and sister, so I'm looking for intimidation factor.
I was looking at a glock's because of they are the most well known company to me.
Any suggestions on handguns from my fellow TLer's for a small reliable pistol? Maybe even a shotgun.
My "baby" My great grandmother had this model, only it shot .22 shorts. She used it to get rid of the rabbits, armadillo's, etc that would get in her garden. My Dad has it now, but I liked it so much that I bought one similar to it.
My shotgun: This one was my grandpa's, and now its mine.
My .38
I dream of owning a matching pair of Ruger Vaqueros with the ivory grips.
I'm not a big fan of the new more modern looking guns. Its all about classic beauty for me :D
On December 29 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote: Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
With all the speculation about gun control laws, I would imagine price's would go up as people stockpile ammunition.
I was wondering if anyone has some advice. Looking for a small handgun to purchase. Purpose is not for hunting rather home defense. I live with my mom and sister, so I'm looking for intimidation factor.
I was looking at a glock's because of they are the most well known company to me.
Any suggestions on handguns from my fellow TLer's for a small reliable pistol?
Well, if you want small, you're not looking at cheap, and if you want your mother and sister to be able to use it, small might actually be less of a turn on than you think.
Small "feels" easier in their hand, but bigger can be better for recoil, depending on the make.
What sort of price were you looking at, and do you have a preference on round? My dad has a nice Taurus 9mm, I honestly don't like it much, but it's fairly small and light. If you want cheap, you literally can't beat the price on a Hi Point, but they're not small. (Don't read that wrong, they're not giant, but they're big for what they do.)
Everyone will tell you different things about self defense rounds, and what's "best", but frankly, as long as it's not something light in the pants, what matters is having hollowpoints and knowing how to put them in a target.
On December 29 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote: Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
With all the speculation about gun control laws, I would imagine price's would go up as people stockpile ammunition.
I was wondering if anyone has some advice. Looking for a small handgun to purchase. Purpose is not for hunting rather home defense. I live with my mom and sister, so I'm looking for intimidation factor.
I was looking at a glock's because of they are the most well known company to me.
Any suggestions on handguns from my fellow TLer's for a small reliable pistol? Maybe even a shotgun.
You're not going to get much of an intimidation factor with a handgun. For home defense the general consensus is a 12 gauge shotgun, it is easier to aim and even the sound of a pump is a great deterrent.
On December 29 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote: Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
With all the speculation about gun control laws, I would imagine price's would go up as people stockpile ammunition.
I was wondering if anyone has some advice. Looking for a small handgun to purchase. Purpose is not for hunting rather home defense. I live with my mom and sister, so I'm looking for intimidation factor.
I was looking at a glock's because of they are the most well known company to me.
Any suggestions on handguns from my fellow TLer's for a small reliable pistol? Maybe even a shotgun.
If you're looking for home defense and intimidation factor you should purchase a Smith & Wesson .45. it'll give you the stopping power that you want for home defense is reasonably small for a pistol and you can get a shiny silver one for the intimidation factor. If you are serious about using any gun sign up for a gun safety class and shoot it at a range a few times a year. Wherever you buy a gun will be more then happy to help you out with all these things.
And be sure to put it in a fireproof safe when you don't have it out. You can use this same safe to put in all your important documents as well to save them in the case of a fire. Doesn't have to be any bigger then a 4 pack of beer but its very important that you're safe with it.
What do y'all think of Glocks for home defense, range shooting, and a possible CCP in the future? I've fired a fair number of handguns, and the Glock 20 and 21 felt by far the best in my hands, and I've been wanting to pick one up ever since. I know they are a bit more expensive, but I like their design and I've heard good things about parts and reliability.
On December 29 2012 04:08 farvacola wrote: What do y'all think of Glocks for home defense, range shooting, and a possible CCP in the future? I've fired a fair number of handguns, and the Glock 20 and 21 felt by far the best in my hands, and I've been wanting to pick one up ever since. I know they are a bit more expensive, but I like their design and I've heard good things about parts and reliability.
In my opinion, the glock 19 is one of the best handguns every made especially for CC.
Been shooting since i was 3 with my father. I started out with a single shot paintball gun to a BB Gun to a .22, now im a proud gun owner and starting the police academy in January!
On December 29 2012 04:08 farvacola wrote: What do y'all think of Glocks for home defense, range shooting, and a possible CCP in the future? I've fired a fair number of handguns, and the Glock 20 and 21 felt by far the best in my hands, and I've been wanting to pick one up ever since. I know they are a bit more expensive, but I like their design and I've heard good things about parts and reliability.
As far as home defense goes, I'd recommend something a little more certain like a 12 gauge loaded with buckshot. Its a lot harder to miss, and the sound of both the shot and pump action is a sure fire attention getter. The last thing you want to do if you do pull the trigger is miss. Plus, its a bit safer considering the buckshot won't travel through walls the same way a solid lead bullet will. If you are using a handgun for home defense, then I highly recommend you use hollow point ammunition. Again, the hollow point is going to do a lot more damage to the target, and they won't travel through walls like the solid lead bullet will.
And be sure to put it in a fireproof safe when you don't have it out.
There's a lot of good reasons to use a fire proof safe for your weapons, but in terms of home defense, I wouldn't recommend this. Unless of course, the intruder is willing to wait while you unlock the safe to retrieve your weapon. If you have children, the best thing you can do to keep them safe is start teaching them about gun safety. Take them with you when you go shooting, and if they're big enough let them shoot it too. Curiosity and ignorance are your kids' biggest enemy when it comes to firearms.
I would recommend keeping it somewhere that is easily accessible to you, but hard to get for them. I keep mine in the top drawer of our chest. Our chest is tall enough that even if our 5 year old got a kitchen chair to stand on she couldn't reach it.
On December 29 2012 04:08 farvacola wrote: What do y'all think of Glocks for home defense, range shooting, and a possible CCP in the future? I've fired a fair number of handguns, and the Glock 20 and 21 felt by far the best in my hands, and I've been wanting to pick one up ever since. I know they are a bit more expensive, but I like their design and I've heard good things about parts and reliability.
As far as home defense goes, I'd recommend something a little more certain like a 12 gauge loaded with buckshot. Its a lot harder to miss, and the sound of both the shot and pump action is a sure fire attention getter. The last thing you want to do if you do pull the trigger is miss. Plus, its a bit safer considering the buckshot won't travel through walls the same way a solid lead bullet will. If you are using a handgun for home defense, then I highly recommend you use hollow point ammunition. Again, the hollow point is going to do a lot more damage to the target, and they won't travel through walls like the solid lead bullet will.
Buckshot will penetrate multiple walls very easily. Most people have dry wall and just about anything will penetrate atleast once including birdshot.
My C9. Complete with my current stock of ammo. Although the 115gr range ammo was a little light in the pants since it's a blowback operated gun, need at least 124 to cycle smoothly. I prefer 147gr for range ammo, but like I said, shit's hard to find right now.
I would not recommend a shotty for home defense, especially if you have kids. A good glock 17, night sites, and extensive training would be sufficient for 99% of all home invasions.
On December 29 2012 04:30 ImAbstracT wrote: I would not recommend a shotty for home defense, especially if you have kids. A good glock 17, night sites, and extensive training would be sufficient for 99% of all home invasions.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to use a shotgun for defense either. I live in an apartment and have a 3 year old son. I'd rather know where everything is going and avoid over-penetration. 9mm 124gr P+ JHP. Capable of causing plenty of damage, but with way lower likelihood of collateral damage.
On December 29 2012 04:30 ImAbstracT wrote: I would not recommend a shotty for home defense, especially if you have kids. A good glock 17, night sites, and extensive training would be sufficient for 99% of all home invasions.
Yeah, I wouldn't want to use a shotgun for defense either. I live in an apartment and have a 3 year old son. I'd rather know where everything is going and avoid over-penetration. 9mm 124gr P+ JHP. Capable of causing plenty of damage, but with way lower likelihood of collateral damage.
This is my reasoning as well; I'm a fairly good shot (in the range mind you), and I've always been more of a "fine detail" sort of fellow as opposed to someone who enjoys "painting in broad strokes"
I own an 1300 FPS Air Rifle. Powerful enough to kill small game if I wanted. Really only use it when I want to target shoot. 1 shot, 1 reload. All I need or plan to ever have.
On December 29 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote: Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
With all the speculation about gun control laws, I would imagine price's would go up as people stockpile ammunition.
I was wondering if anyone has some advice. Looking for a small handgun to purchase. Purpose is not for hunting rather home defense. I live with my mom and sister, so I'm looking for intimidation factor.
I was looking at a glock's because of they are the most well known company to me.
Any suggestions on handguns from my fellow TLer's for a small reliable pistol?
Well, if you want small, you're not looking at cheap, and if you want your mother and sister to be able to use it, small might actually be less of a turn on than you think.
Small "feels" easier in their hand, but bigger can be better for recoil, depending on the make.
What sort of price were you looking at, and do you have a preference on round? My dad has a nice Taurus 9mm, I honestly don't like it much, but it's fairly small and light. If you want cheap, you literally can't beat the price on a Hi Point, but they're not small. (Don't read that wrong, they're not giant, but they're big for what they do.)
Everyone will tell you different things about self defense rounds, and what's "best", but frankly, as long as it's not something light in the pants, what matters is having hollowpoints and knowing how to put them in a target.
Price really is not an inhibitor, I just want something reliable and accurate. No preference on round, I'm guessing the smaller the less damaging however.
On December 29 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote: Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
With all the speculation about gun control laws, I would imagine price's would go up as people stockpile ammunition.
I was wondering if anyone has some advice. Looking for a small handgun to purchase. Purpose is not for hunting rather home defense. I live with my mom and sister, so I'm looking for intimidation factor.
I was looking at a glock's because of they are the most well known company to me.
Any suggestions on handguns from my fellow TLer's for a small reliable pistol? Maybe even a shotgun.
You're not going to get much of an intimidation factor with a handgun. For home defense the general consensus is a 12 gauge shotgun, it is easier to aim and even the sound of a pump is a great deterrent.
True, my concern with a shotgun would be the size and the relative amount of damage it could case. My idea with a handgun is that I will never have to use it, and should I have to, I would be able to solve the situation without having to inflict serious damage on anything or anyone.
On December 29 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote: Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
With all the speculation about gun control laws, I would imagine price's would go up as people stockpile ammunition.
I was wondering if anyone has some advice. Looking for a small handgun to purchase. Purpose is not for hunting rather home defense. I live with my mom and sister, so I'm looking for intimidation factor.
I was looking at a glock's because of they are the most well known company to me.
Any suggestions on handguns from my fellow TLer's for a small reliable pistol? Maybe even a shotgun.
If you're looking for home defense and intimidation factor you should purchase a Smith & Wesson .45. it'll give you the stopping power that you want for home defense is reasonably small for a pistol and you can get a shiny silver one for the intimidation factor. If you are serious about using any gun sign up for a gun safety class and shoot it at a range a few times a year. Wherever you buy a gun will be more then happy to help you out with all these things.
And be sure to put it in a fireproof safe when you don't have it out. You can use this same safe to put in all your important documents as well to save them in the case of a fire. Doesn't have to be any bigger then a 4 pack of beer but its very important that you're safe with it.
Thanks man,
My neighbor has an arsenal powerful enough to stop a zombie invasion (dozens of guns), and he has already suggested the gun class. My plan was to take the class, buy the gun, then go out shooting with it until I feel comfortable with it. Thanks for the advice about the safe, didn't think of that before.
Not really concerned with stopping power, I don't want to hurt/potentially kill and intruder, I was thinking maybe a shoulder/arm shot in order to disarm them without dealing any serious damage, hence not being too concerned with stopping power.
I only own some little ruger .22, and I hope to soon buy an FG-42. A company in Texas makes civilian-legal reproductions for only $5k, which is incredible, because originals cost around $60k and aren't even legal in my state.
On July 08 2011 11:02 OsoVega wrote: Right now I own five guns.
I bought an AR-15 as a general purpose rifle as well as to mod. My set up right now is very similar to the one in this picture but without a foregrip/bi-pod and an aim-point red dot. + Show Spoiler +
My only pistol is a Springfield 1911. It's a bit more difficult to get pistols in Canada but the nice thing about the 1911 is that it isn't neutered by the 10 round mag limit for pistols that we have here. Also, even though the design is over 100 years old it still, in many ways competes with modern pistols. Mine is identical to this but I have a different style of wood grips on it. + Show Spoiler +
For anyone at all interested in firearms I don't think there is any reason not to own a Mosin Nagant. You can get them for around $100 depending on where you live, so it's probably close to the best value you can possibly get for a firearm. + Show Spoiler +
I have a Ruger 10/22 and I think it's one of the best 22.'s you can get and is also great value. It's also fun to have 30 round mags as center fire semi-auto mags for long guns are limited to 5, here. + Show Spoiler +
My home defense weapon is a Mossberg 590 with ghost ring sights. I keep 1 round of #4 buckshot and 00 buckshot behind it next to it (not allowed to keep it in it) in a speed loader. + Show Spoiler +
At some point when I have the money, I plan on getting some kind of revolver and a Lee Enfield at some point.
If you want to criticize gun ownership or talk about gun control, in this thread, don't. Every gun owner has heard it a thousand times before and that's not what this thread is for. Don't respond to it either. Feel free to ask about gun ownership, i.e. price, why we own guns, the process of getting them, etc.
On December 29 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote: Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
With all the speculation about gun control laws, I would imagine price's would go up as people stockpile ammunition.
I was wondering if anyone has some advice. Looking for a small handgun to purchase. Purpose is not for hunting rather home defense. I live with my mom and sister, so I'm looking for intimidation factor.
I was looking at a glock's because of they are the most well known company to me.
Any suggestions on handguns from my fellow TLer's for a small reliable pistol?
Well, if you want small, you're not looking at cheap, and if you want your mother and sister to be able to use it, small might actually be less of a turn on than you think.
Small "feels" easier in their hand, but bigger can be better for recoil, depending on the make.
What sort of price were you looking at, and do you have a preference on round? My dad has a nice Taurus 9mm, I honestly don't like it much, but it's fairly small and light. If you want cheap, you literally can't beat the price on a Hi Point, but they're not small. (Don't read that wrong, they're not giant, but they're big for what they do.)
Everyone will tell you different things about self defense rounds, and what's "best", but frankly, as long as it's not something light in the pants, what matters is having hollowpoints and knowing how to put them in a target.
Price really is not an inhibitor, I just want something reliable and accurate. No preference on round, I'm guessing the smaller the less damaging however.
On December 29 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote: Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
With all the speculation about gun control laws, I would imagine price's would go up as people stockpile ammunition.
I was wondering if anyone has some advice. Looking for a small handgun to purchase. Purpose is not for hunting rather home defense. I live with my mom and sister, so I'm looking for intimidation factor.
I was looking at a glock's because of they are the most well known company to me.
Any suggestions on handguns from my fellow TLer's for a small reliable pistol? Maybe even a shotgun.
You're not going to get much of an intimidation factor with a handgun. For home defense the general consensus is a 12 gauge shotgun, it is easier to aim and even the sound of a pump is a great deterrent.
True, my concern with a shotgun would be the size and the relative amount of damage it could case. My idea with a handgun is that I will never have to use it, and should I have to, I would be able to solve the situation without having to inflict serious damage on anything or anyone.
On December 29 2012 03:25 JingleHell wrote: Kind of a necro, but between Christmas and the buying frenzy that generally follows any politically charged tragedy... anyone else tried to buy ammo lately? Fuck.
Common rounds are almost completely sold out. Glad all I wanted for my 9mm was range ammo, bought some 124gr Winchester stuff for ~$14 a box, so 150 rounds for ~$50, but damn. Academy was practically sold out of stuff like 9mm, 5.56, and defense loads for .45, .40, and .38 were down to a few battered boxes left on the shelf too.
On that, I recently got a Hi Point C9, the one I'm getting ammo for. If anyone has heard rumors about it, I'd happily answer their questions on it, since it's kind of got a nasty reputation that, IMO, it didn't deserve.
With all the speculation about gun control laws, I would imagine price's would go up as people stockpile ammunition.
I was wondering if anyone has some advice. Looking for a small handgun to purchase. Purpose is not for hunting rather home defense. I live with my mom and sister, so I'm looking for intimidation factor.
I was looking at a glock's because of they are the most well known company to me.
Any suggestions on handguns from my fellow TLer's for a small reliable pistol? Maybe even a shotgun.
If you're looking for home defense and intimidation factor you should purchase a Smith & Wesson .45. it'll give you the stopping power that you want for home defense is reasonably small for a pistol and you can get a shiny silver one for the intimidation factor. If you are serious about using any gun sign up for a gun safety class and shoot it at a range a few times a year. Wherever you buy a gun will be more then happy to help you out with all these things.
And be sure to put it in a fireproof safe when you don't have it out. You can use this same safe to put in all your important documents as well to save them in the case of a fire. Doesn't have to be any bigger then a 4 pack of beer but its very important that you're safe with it.
Thanks man,
My neighbor has an arsenal powerful enough to stop a zombie invasion (dozens of guns), and he has already suggested the gun class. My plan was to take the class, buy the gun, then go out shooting with it until I feel comfortable with it. Thanks for the advice about the safe, didn't think of that before.
Not really concerned with stopping power, I don't want to hurt/potentially kill and intruder, I was thinking maybe a shoulder/arm shot in order to disarm them without dealing any serious damage, hence not being too concerned with stopping power.
You NEVER shoot to disable. Ignoring the part where it's illegal some places (it implies the level of force wasn't needed), it's also fucking HARD to intentionally take a leg or arm shot on a moving target.
If you'd prefer to be less likely to kill someone if you ever ended up in a situation where you needed to use it, just use ball ammo instead of hollowpoints. More penetration, instead of maximum expansion. Hollowpoints expand on impact, spreading the force out after penetration, to more efficiently turn organs to hash. The military actually doesn't use hollowpoints, just ball ammo. Also, at that point, you'd want a lighter grain, higher velocity round, so .45 may not be ideal.
Mind you, I don't like the notion of intentionally limiting stopping power for the sake of being "merciful" (if the situation really justifies lethal force, fuck mercy, if they surrender or run, just don't shoot them, if they don't surrender or run, you probably want to make sure they don't get to you with a weapon, and they may be on drugs, at which point stopping them harder is ideal.)
Even police and military aren't generally supposed to take disabling shots intentionally. If you want a less-lethal option, get a taser or a stun gun, or a shotgun and bean bag rounds.
If you really insist on this concept from a (in my opinion misguided) perspective of nobility, at that point you'd probably want to get something along the lines of a .38. Easier to handle, lighter bullets.
I plan on buying a Mosin Nagant and maybe an SKS eventually... Eventually... Probably not going to happen until I get out of college though since my parents are very anti-gun
Wow can´t believe it, people talking about guns like there were toys, one friend of mine suicided with his father gun because it was in the house, i don´t think no1 understands de risk and consequences of owning one gun :S, i don´t care if i get banned but guns are weapons their purpose is to kill people thats what they´re ment for.
On December 29 2012 08:05 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: I really want a beretta 92fs I don't own a gun personally but my family owns a couple, but our family is more archery shooting.
On December 29 2012 08:05 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: I really want a beretta 92fs I don't own a gun personally but my family owns a couple, but our family is more archery shooting.
Beretta 92fs is the best looking handgun imo
Guns or archery shooting, why not both!?
I'm not a fan of the Beretta, myself. I think it's overpriced for what it offers.
$725 MSRP for a big, bulky handgun with no bells and whistles. Sure, it's reasonably reliable, and looks kind of pretty, but, it's kind of meh for the price.
For those of you talking about a shotgun being problematic for home defense due to collateral damage, what about just loading it with bird shot? It will still have plenty of stopping power if you are forced to use it, but won't kill people two rooms over like say, a rifle bullet could. I like the idea of a short, bull-pup shotgun such as the kel-tec ksg:
which gives you maximum maneuverability. However, it might not be as intimidating (especially in the dark) as a more classic style (and sounding) pump action. Alternately, a double-barrel can probably petrify a charging elephant... staring down two horizontal barrels is pretty intimidating :p
On December 29 2012 08:18 micronesia wrote: For those of you talking about a shotgun being problematic for home defense due to collateral damage, what about just loading it with bird shot? It will still have plenty of stopping power if you are forced to use it, but won't kill people two rooms over like say, a rifle bullet could. I like the idea of a short, bull-pup shotgun such as the kel-tec ksg:
which gives you maximum maneuverability. However, it might not be as intimidating (especially in the dark) as a more classic style (and sounding) pump action. Alternately, a double-barrel can probably petrify a charging elephant... staring down two horizontal barrels is pretty intimidating :p
If I got a shotty for home use, that's exactly what I'd do, birdshot. I'd probably just get a bog standard Mossberg 500 though. I'm really tempted to go for a pistol caliber carbine in .45 though.
I just have a crappy gopher eater .22 that could use an upgrade. There's a lot of brands out there, any recommendations for an accurate/affordable .22? My dad has a 30-06 for hunting, I saw one in an ad all blinged out with a chrome barrel and almost bought it it looked so pretty. But then I realized if I got one I'd prob want to hunt with it while that one should be more of a display gun. My dad's 30-06 is a springfield I think, any brand that stands above the rest?
On December 29 2012 08:18 micronesia wrote: For those of you talking about a shotgun being problematic for home defense due to collateral damage, what about just loading it with bird shot? It will still have plenty of stopping power if you are forced to use it, but won't kill people two rooms over like say, a rifle bullet could. I like the idea of a short, bull-pup shotgun such as the kel-tec ksg:
which gives you maximum maneuverability. However, it might not be as intimidating (especially in the dark) as a more classic style (and sounding) pump action. Alternately, a double-barrel can probably petrify a charging elephant... staring down two horizontal barrels is pretty intimidating :p
T,T ? Really? Some tribes of elephants have like officially declared war on humans. They just ransack African villages because their experiences with humans are A. Poachers and B. Tourists - neither group is well known for their environmental friendliness. I personally wouldn't want to face down an elephant with any weapon short of say - small cannon.
Why do people own guns?
The first answer on the thread is "shooting range is fun." I also hear that heroin is rather fun - I don't think that's a legitimate justification. I bet Saddam Hussein or Genghis Khan were having fun at the height of their regimes.
Hunting rifles you can justify no problem.
Handguns are pushing it.
Assault rifles why do you own them?
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
I don't own guns because I have absolutely no reason to and also I am a pacifist (I understand that pacifists can own guns for target shooting). People flame me for being a "coward" (which is ironic - as I would consider flaming over the internet to be rather cowardly) but I simply don't think that there is any problem where the legitimate long-term solution is "more violence." I think the whole self-protection argument is just perpetuating a sort of personal arms race. I'm straying a bit off topic here SO back to my real question -
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
On December 29 2012 08:30 Mczeppo wrote: Brainstorming about a "home defense" weapon... You guys are funny ^^
i'm actually scared that these guys could be my neighbours,... anyway i had some bb gun when i was young that was fun a pistol kind of police replica and a rifle ...fun thing is i could shoot it in my backyard whitout having any problem and still pratice my aim
On December 29 2012 08:50 SwallowTheSun wrote: Seriously, take your politics to some other thread. Heck create your own, but don't post here unless you are discussing guns you have/want.
We are allowed to ask why you own the guns - it says so in the OP.
Feel free to ask about gun ownership, i.e. price, why we own guns, the process of getting them, etc.
I really want to own an AK-47 after shooting one a few years ago(which was actually something i wanted to do before I died) i really just fell in love with it. However getting one around here involves uhh, shady means :c
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
You NEVER shoot to disable. Ignoring the part where it's illegal some places (it implies the level of force wasn't needed), it's also fucking HARD to intentionally take a leg or arm shot on a moving target. (...)
Actually this is what policemen are trained to do in Germany. As long as no one points a lethal weapon at you but you are still forced to stop s.o., you shoot at arms or legs. Always.
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
I have two .22s: a Ruger 10/22 with a telescopic sight and some sort of (Edit: don't know manufacturer as mine is not octagonal) pump action that ejects out the top and breaks down into two pieces...dunno what it is, my step-dad got it for me when I was like 10, but it's the strangest rifle I've ever seen. Have a few BB guns too. sorta like this but without the missing light collector...
I also got a Beretta PX4 Storm in .45ACP just this summer. It's a damn sexy looking handgun and very comfortable to hold...I never liked the 1911 style or its grips. Compared to my cousin's USP it's fairly moderate in size and weight.
My step-father and cousin have an assortment of arms each, some standouts are a Python in black with 6 inch barrel ( I love this thing) and a bolt 16 gauge, which I've never seen before.
I don't use any of mine for anything but plinking, though I got my PX4 in .45ACP and keep a box of hollow points in the gun bag for the thought of home defense. A shotgun would work much better in that capacity but I'm not looking to buy anything right now.
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
No I see it more like - you own an SUV, why would you want a tank? Yeah it looks cooler - but think of the impracticality of everyday use (not to mention the gas mileage). You will hopefully never use these firearms for their intended purpose (expedient killing). Is it incredibly gratifying to shoot more rounds per second into a paper target? It seems like I would have to be like - brought to intense orgasm by firing my weapons in order to justify the cost of purchasing and maintaining military-grade munitions.
Edit: Or maybe they have really good weed hook-ups? Buy you beers at the pub? Are great wingmen? (Rape joke unintentional)
You NEVER shoot to disable. Ignoring the part where it's illegal some places (it implies the level of force wasn't needed), it's also fucking HARD to intentionally take a leg or arm shot on a moving target. (...)
Actually this is what policemen are trained to do in Germany. As long as no one points a lethal weapon at you but you are still forced to stop s.o., you shoot at arms or legs. Always.
I was speaking of Americans, and our cops carry batons, pepper spray, and tazers for people who aren't pointing weapons.
I'd generally consider that a better plan then training someone to hit a leg and praying they don't graze an artery. Or miss and ricochet off the pavement into a bystander, since it's a ridiculously hard target unless they're close enough to take the gun away.
On December 29 2012 08:53 Arghmyliver wrote: We are allowed to ask why you own the guns - it says so in the OP.
Sure, you're allowed to ask why people own guns, but do you really have to lace your post with stupid comparisons, i.e. grouping firearms with heroin and dictators? You don't get to sidestep the fact that someone took offense to your post just because you tried to mask a clever stupid little quip inside a question about gun ownership. It wasn't clever. It wasn't cute.
The answer to your question can be summed up with "Different strokes for different folks." Some people like taking pictures and videos of trains and airplanes for fun. Some like to shoot firearms. Others like playing video games.
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
shotgun in the suburban us : you can go to a range or a farm and hunt or shoot with it. (some people also keep have them for home defense but w/e)
clear enough?
I'm not really sure what you dont understand, just because you keep it at home does not mean you are only allowed to use it there.
On December 29 2012 08:53 Arghmyliver wrote: We are allowed to ask why you own the guns - it says so in the OP.
Sure, you're allowed to ask why people own guns, but do you really have to lace your post with stupid comparisons, i.e. grouping firearms with heroin and dictators? You don't get to sidestep the fact that someone took offense to your post just because you tried to mask a clever stupid little quip inside a question about gun ownership. It wasn't clever. It wasn't cute.
The answer to your question can be summed up with "Different strokes for different folks." Some people like taking pictures and videos of trains and airplanes for fun. Some like to shoot firearms. Others like playing video games.
Hey man - not my fault you are so defensive ^_^. I wasn't grouping firearms with heroin and dictators (I don't need to they do it themselves) - I was saying that the argument "it's super fun" is not an incredibly good one. It seems like there would have to be some other answer.
On December 29 2012 09:13 Arghmyliver wrote: No I see it more like - you own an SUV, why would you want a tank?
I would love to own a tank but im not British
On December 29 2012 09:13 Arghmyliver wrote:Yeah it looks cooler - but think of the impracticality of everyday use (not to mention the gas mileage).
I doubt anyone would argue they have military grade firearms for "practical reasons" again its just for the experience.
On December 29 2012 09:13 Arghmyliver wrote:You will hopefully never use these firearms for their intended purpose (expedient killing).
obviously
On December 29 2012 09:13 Arghmyliver wrote: Is it incredibly gratifying to shoot more rounds per second into a paper target? It seems like I would have to be like - brought to intense orgasm by firing my weapons in order to justify the cost of purchasing and maintaining military-grade munitions.
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
shotgun in the suburban us : you can go to a range or a farm and hunt or shoot with it. (some people also keep have them for home defense but w/e)
clear enough?
I'm not really sure what you dont understand, just because you keep it at home does not mean you are only allowed to use it there.
Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
Edit: Another question - do you tell your neighbors about your weapons cache? What is the general reaction? Like - Hey cool I've got a 9-pounder and some grape shot! or Uhhhh thats... nice (walks away slowly)?
On December 29 2012 07:43 Ettick wrote: I plan on buying a Mosin Nagant and maybe an SKS eventually... Eventually... Probably not going to happen until I get out of college though since my parents are very anti-gun
I inherented a mosin nagant from my uncle (who used it in the war) and its a hell of a gun for hunting. Accurate way beyond it should really be and it has the stooping to knock a deer off its feet and slow down how far it will run before dieing.
That being said be very very very careful when buying one. Ask to open it up and look though all the parts and even test fire it and the bolt action. they were not very well taken care of back in the day and you can just as easily find yourself a few hundred dollars into a into a rifle that you'll need to seriously restore anyway. All that being said a good wooden nagant with the peep sights is an amazing relic of a gun that still preforms well today you have a good eye.
On December 29 2012 09:20 Arghmyliver wrote: Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
aesthetic and collectors value. I for one love holding a piece of history, or a cutting edge piece of technology in my hand.
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
shotgun in the suburban us : you can go to a range or a farm and hunt or shoot with it. (some people also keep have them for home defense but w/e)
clear enough?
I'm not really sure what you dont understand, just because you keep it at home does not mean you are only allowed to use it there.
Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
Can you please explain the functional differences between the following firearms?
Is either unreasonable, and if so, why? If someone chooses to purchase one or the other because it's what they like, that's on them.
On December 29 2012 09:30 micronesia wrote: Is the bottom one a mini-14? My dad has one and I hate it (seems like a hunk of junk to me).
Personally I am not a fan of the ar-15.
Yeah, mini-14. I hate 5.56 in general, having suffered through so many thousands of rounds of it in the Army. Granted, that may have just been the shitty M4s we got, the M249 was fun enough. Even so, I wouldn't buy a rifle in 5.56.
I mostly posted that because they are, functionally, pretty much the same damn gun, the main differences are cosmetic and convenience.
On December 29 2012 09:20 Arghmyliver wrote: Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
aesthetic and collectors value. I for one love holding a piece of history, or a cutting edge piece of technology in my hand.
Huh I guess I would go for something even more historical but I can see the cultural significance of owning an AK-47 (most popular and widely available automatic rifle). It's just like stamp-collecting.
On December 29 2012 08:18 micronesia wrote: For those of you talking about a shotgun being problematic for home defense due to collateral damage, what about just loading it with bird shot? It will still have plenty of stopping power if you are forced to use it, but won't kill people two rooms over like say, a rifle bullet could. I like the idea of a short, bull-pup shotgun such as the kel-tec ksg:
which gives you maximum maneuverability. However, it might not be as intimidating (especially in the dark) as a more classic style (and sounding) pump action. Alternately, a double-barrel can probably petrify a charging elephant... staring down two horizontal barrels is pretty intimidating :p
Interesting. I might get one of these to replace my Remington 870 Tactical for home defense.
Personally, I prefer smaller rounds like 9s and 22LRs.
On December 29 2012 09:34 Aveng3r wrote: the m14 seems like a piece of junk compared to the ar-15 models?
AR-15's are either junk or absurdly expensive. For what you get, I don't consider them worth it in the slightest. My friend has one he just built. I've thought about buying an AR lower soon just to have a grandfathered serial number if they do pass something.
Value would probably triple or more 6 months after any new ban went into effect.
On December 29 2012 09:34 Aveng3r wrote: the m14 seems like a piece of junk compared to the ar-15 models?
AR-15's are either junk or absurdly expensive. For what you get, I don't consider them worth it in the slightest. My friend has one he just built. I've thought about buying an AR lower soon just to have a grandfathered serial number if they do pass something.
Value would probably triple or more 6 months after any new ban went into effect.
Ide never go for an ar15 model myself, ive heard too many stories about them still being unreliable.. Ide definitly go for an m14 if I could, maybe an ak would be cheaper to get though ps does the one your friend built have a full auto capability, and is that even possible/legal to get as a civilian?
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
shotgun in the suburban us : you can go to a range or a farm and hunt or shoot with it. (some people also keep have them for home defense but w/e)
clear enough?
I'm not really sure what you dont understand, just because you keep it at home does not mean you are only allowed to use it there.
Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
Can you please explain the functional differences between the following firearms?
Is either unreasonable, and if so, why? If someone chooses to purchase one or the other because it's what they like, that's on them.
I'm not saying either is reasonable or unreasonable - but I imagine the one in the top picture costs a lot more. I don't know anything about guns besides which end the bullet comes out of - but the top picture is an AR15 and the bottom picture is a hunting rifle of some kind with accessories that make it basically the AR15, i imagine it probably fires the same rounds (prbly .22?).
On December 29 2012 08:18 micronesia wrote: For those of you talking about a shotgun being problematic for home defense due to collateral damage, what about just loading it with bird shot? It will still have plenty of stopping power if you are forced to use it, but won't kill people two rooms over like say, a rifle bullet could. I like the idea of a short, bull-pup shotgun such as the kel-tec ksg:
which gives you maximum maneuverability. However, it might not be as intimidating (especially in the dark) as a more classic style (and sounding) pump action. Alternately, a double-barrel can probably petrify a charging elephant... staring down two horizontal barrels is pretty intimidating :p
Interesting. I might get one of these to replace my Remington 870 Tactical for home defense.
Personally, I prefer smaller rounds like 9s and 22LRs.
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
shotgun in the suburban us : you can go to a range or a farm and hunt or shoot with it. (some people also keep have them for home defense but w/e)
clear enough?
I'm not really sure what you dont understand, just because you keep it at home does not mean you are only allowed to use it there.
Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
Can you please explain the functional differences between the following firearms?
Is either unreasonable, and if so, why? If someone chooses to purchase one or the other because it's what they like, that's on them.
I'm not saying either is reasonable or unreasonable - but I imagine the one in the top picture costs a lot more. I don't know anything about guns besides which end the bullet comes out of - but the top picture is an AR15 and the bottom picture is a hunting rifle of some kind with accessories that make it basically the AR15, i imagine it probably fires the same rounds (prbly .22?).
They're functionally very similar. They fire 5.56mm bullets, they're semi-automatic, gas powered, magazine fed, with interchangeable magazines. If I was going on a rampage, the pistol grip, carrying handles, and accessory rails on the AR would mean roughly jack shit to me.
In actuality, if you're even vaguely for gun control, you should consider the "military style" AR better for civilians, since it's prohibitively expensive and not sold at Wal-Mart.
Sure, they're a little different to shoot, but a lot of that is like the differences between different mice or keyboards for gaming. Some people like one, others don't. Personal preference and aesthetics don't make a gun more or less acceptable to own. Just a pure case of different strokes for different folks.
If I enjoy shooting one, I could enjoy shooting the other. I might prefer one or the other for X arbitrary reason, but it doesn't make a huge difference.
On December 29 2012 09:34 Aveng3r wrote: the m14 seems like a piece of junk compared to the ar-15 models?
AR-15's are either junk or absurdly expensive. For what you get, I don't consider them worth it in the slightest. My friend has one he just built. I've thought about buying an AR lower soon just to have a grandfathered serial number if they do pass something.
Value would probably triple or more 6 months after any new ban went into effect.
Ide never go for an ar15 model myself, ive heard too many stories about them still being unreliable.. Ide definitly go for an m14 if I could, maybe an ak would be cheaper to get though ps does the one your friend built have a full auto capability, and is that even possible/legal to get as a civilian?
I wouldn't mind an AK myself. They're fun to shoot.
And no, my friend doesn't have the appropriate license to own a select fire, his is semi-only. Semi is better anyways, automatic burns through ammo rather quickly, costing a ton, and burst is annoying as hell.
On December 29 2012 08:18 micronesia wrote: For those of you talking about a shotgun being problematic for home defense due to collateral damage, what about just loading it with bird shot? It will still have plenty of stopping power if you are forced to use it, but won't kill people two rooms over like say, a rifle bullet could. I like the idea of a short, bull-pup shotgun such as the kel-tec ksg:
which gives you maximum maneuverability. However, it might not be as intimidating (especially in the dark) as a more classic style (and sounding) pump action. Alternately, a double-barrel can probably petrify a charging elephant... staring down two horizontal barrels is pretty intimidating :p
Interesting. I might get one of these to replace my Remington 870 Tactical for home defense.
Personally, I prefer smaller rounds like 9s and 22LRs.
Where do you live?
I'm not sure what you mean by this? Country? State? Exact address?
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
shotgun in the suburban us : you can go to a range or a farm and hunt or shoot with it. (some people also keep have them for home defense but w/e)
clear enough?
I'm not really sure what you dont understand, just because you keep it at home does not mean you are only allowed to use it there.
Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
Can you please explain the functional differences between the following firearms?
Is either unreasonable, and if so, why? If someone chooses to purchase one or the other because it's what they like, that's on them.
I'm not saying either is reasonable or unreasonable - but I imagine the one in the top picture costs a lot more. I don't know anything about guns besides which end the bullet comes out of - but the top picture is an AR15 and the bottom picture is a hunting rifle of some kind with accessories that make it basically the AR15, i imagine it probably fires the same rounds (prbly .22?).
They're functionally very similar. They fire 5.56mm bullets, they're semi-automatic, gas powered, magazine fed, with interchangeable magazines. If I was going on a rampage, the pistol grip, carrying handles, and accessory rails on the AR would mean roughly jack shit to me.
In actuality, if you're even vaguely for gun control, you should consider the "military style" AR better for civilians, since it's prohibitively expensive and not sold at Wal-Mart.
Sure, they're a little different to shoot, but a lot of that is like the differences between different mice or keyboards for gaming. Some people like one, others don't. Personal preference and aesthetics don't make a gun more or less acceptable to own. Just a pure case of different strokes for different folks.
If I enjoy shooting one, I could enjoy shooting the other. I might prefer one or the other for X arbitrary reason, but it doesn't make a huge difference.
On December 29 2012 09:34 Aveng3r wrote: the m14 seems like a piece of junk compared to the ar-15 models?
AR-15's are either junk or absurdly expensive. For what you get, I don't consider them worth it in the slightest. My friend has one he just built. I've thought about buying an AR lower soon just to have a grandfathered serial number if they do pass something.
Value would probably triple or more 6 months after any new ban went into effect.
Ide never go for an ar15 model myself, ive heard too many stories about them still being unreliable.. Ide definitly go for an m14 if I could, maybe an ak would be cheaper to get though ps does the one your friend built have a full auto capability, and is that even possible/legal to get as a civilian?
I wouldn't mind an AK myself. They're fun to shoot.
And no, my friend doesn't have the appropriate license to own a select fire, his is semi-only. Semi is better anyways, automatic burns through ammo rather quickly, costing a ton, and burst is annoying as hell.
Lol, I was wondering if this was a trick question. The 1st one could be a glorified airsoft gun. The 2nd one could be too, but the ammo was more of a giveaway.
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
shotgun in the suburban us : you can go to a range or a farm and hunt or shoot with it. (some people also keep have them for home defense but w/e)
clear enough?
I'm not really sure what you dont understand, just because you keep it at home does not mean you are only allowed to use it there.
Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
Can you please explain the functional differences between the following firearms?
Is either unreasonable, and if so, why? If someone chooses to purchase one or the other because it's what they like, that's on them.
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
shotgun in the suburban us : you can go to a range or a farm and hunt or shoot with it. (some people also keep have them for home defense but w/e)
clear enough?
I'm not really sure what you dont understand, just because you keep it at home does not mean you are only allowed to use it there.
Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
Can you please explain the functional differences between the following firearms?
Is either unreasonable, and if so, why? If someone chooses to purchase one or the other because it's what they like, that's on them.
The black colour increases the lethality by 197%
Oh, I thought it was the unused bayonet lug and the telescoping stock?
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
shotgun in the suburban us : you can go to a range or a farm and hunt or shoot with it. (some people also keep have them for home defense but w/e)
clear enough?
I'm not really sure what you dont understand, just because you keep it at home does not mean you are only allowed to use it there.
Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
Can you please explain the functional differences between the following firearms?
Is either unreasonable, and if so, why? If someone chooses to purchase one or the other because it's what they like, that's on them.
I'm not saying either is reasonable or unreasonable - but I imagine the one in the top picture costs a lot more. I don't know anything about guns besides which end the bullet comes out of - but the top picture is an AR15 and the bottom picture is a hunting rifle of some kind with accessories that make it basically the AR15, i imagine it probably fires the same rounds (prbly .22?).
They're functionally very similar. They fire 5.56mm bullets, they're semi-automatic, gas powered, magazine fed, with interchangeable magazines. If I was going on a rampage, the pistol grip, carrying handles, and accessory rails on the AR would mean roughly jack shit to me.
In actuality, if you're even vaguely for gun control, you should consider the "military style" AR better for civilians, since it's prohibitively expensive and not sold at Wal-Mart.
Sure, they're a little different to shoot, but a lot of that is like the differences between different mice or keyboards for gaming. Some people like one, others don't. Personal preference and aesthetics don't make a gun more or less acceptable to own. Just a pure case of different strokes for different folks.
If I enjoy shooting one, I could enjoy shooting the other. I might prefer one or the other for X arbitrary reason, but it doesn't make a huge difference.
On December 29 2012 09:34 Aveng3r wrote: the m14 seems like a piece of junk compared to the ar-15 models?
AR-15's are either junk or absurdly expensive. For what you get, I don't consider them worth it in the slightest. My friend has one he just built. I've thought about buying an AR lower soon just to have a grandfathered serial number if they do pass something.
Value would probably triple or more 6 months after any new ban went into effect.
Ide never go for an ar15 model myself, ive heard too many stories about them still being unreliable.. Ide definitly go for an m14 if I could, maybe an ak would be cheaper to get though ps does the one your friend built have a full auto capability, and is that even possible/legal to get as a civilian?
I wouldn't mind an AK myself. They're fun to shoot.
And no, my friend doesn't have the appropriate license to own a select fire, his is semi-only. Semi is better anyways, automatic burns through ammo rather quickly, costing a ton, and burst is annoying as hell.
See there - I totally agree with this one. Not only are you able to defend your hobby - you are also frugal and non-excessive about it. I just don't see how someone can economically justify owning a fully automatic weapon with like a 30 round clip.
On December 29 2012 09:59 Arghmyliver wrote: I just don't see how someone can economically justify owning a fully automatic weapon with like a 30 round clip.
I haven't found anyone in this thread boasting such a possession. Did I miss that post?
What is your justification for owning an AK-47 in the suburban US? Just curious.
Why do you own AK-47s (assault rifles, combat shotguns, military-grade weaponry in general)?
why does anyone own anything hobby related? Each gun has a different feel and a different experience comes when you own and shoot that gun, some people want that experience.
This question is kinda like asking "well you have the 10 dollar bottle of bourbon, why would you ever buy a 40$ bottle?" or "you have CDs why would you have vinyl?"
The bottle of bourbon : You can drink it The vinyl : you can listen to it The shotgun in suburban US : that's what he tried to figure out. No offence but you didn't really answer to the question
shotgun in the suburban us : you can go to a range or a farm and hunt or shoot with it. (some people also keep have them for home defense but w/e)
clear enough?
I'm not really sure what you dont understand, just because you keep it at home does not mean you are only allowed to use it there.
Yeah so you go to the shooting range - fine - but what is the added recreational value of a combat shotgun or assault rifle compared to a model made for hunting?
Can you please explain the functional differences between the following firearms?
Is either unreasonable, and if so, why? If someone chooses to purchase one or the other because it's what they like, that's on them.
I'm not saying either is reasonable or unreasonable - but I imagine the one in the top picture costs a lot more. I don't know anything about guns besides which end the bullet comes out of - but the top picture is an AR15 and the bottom picture is a hunting rifle of some kind with accessories that make it basically the AR15, i imagine it probably fires the same rounds (prbly .22?).
They're functionally very similar. They fire 5.56mm bullets, they're semi-automatic, gas powered, magazine fed, with interchangeable magazines. If I was going on a rampage, the pistol grip, carrying handles, and accessory rails on the AR would mean roughly jack shit to me.
In actuality, if you're even vaguely for gun control, you should consider the "military style" AR better for civilians, since it's prohibitively expensive and not sold at Wal-Mart.
Sure, they're a little different to shoot, but a lot of that is like the differences between different mice or keyboards for gaming. Some people like one, others don't. Personal preference and aesthetics don't make a gun more or less acceptable to own. Just a pure case of different strokes for different folks.
If I enjoy shooting one, I could enjoy shooting the other. I might prefer one or the other for X arbitrary reason, but it doesn't make a huge difference.
On December 29 2012 09:44 Aveng3r wrote:
On December 29 2012 09:37 JingleHell wrote:
On December 29 2012 09:34 Aveng3r wrote: the m14 seems like a piece of junk compared to the ar-15 models?
AR-15's are either junk or absurdly expensive. For what you get, I don't consider them worth it in the slightest. My friend has one he just built. I've thought about buying an AR lower soon just to have a grandfathered serial number if they do pass something.
Value would probably triple or more 6 months after any new ban went into effect.
Ide never go for an ar15 model myself, ive heard too many stories about them still being unreliable.. Ide definitly go for an m14 if I could, maybe an ak would be cheaper to get though ps does the one your friend built have a full auto capability, and is that even possible/legal to get as a civilian?
I wouldn't mind an AK myself. They're fun to shoot.
And no, my friend doesn't have the appropriate license to own a select fire, his is semi-only. Semi is better anyways, automatic burns through ammo rather quickly, costing a ton, and burst is annoying as hell.
See there - I totally agree with this one. Not only are you able to defend your hobby - you are also frugal and non-excessive about it. I just don't see how someone can economically justify owning a fully automatic weapon with like a 30 round clip.
The same way people economically justify owning a Ferrari, a 3000+ sq/ft home with an indoor pool, a big screen TV, video gaming stuff, computers, nice clothes, eating out, or basically ANY other luxury expenditure?
Also, I'm frugal with it by need, not by choice. If I had the spare budget, I'd own some land in the middle of nowhere to build a private range, put a small RV out there, get some horses, and take my wife and son and friends out there every weekend to go camping and shooting. I can't do that, but I don't begrudge people who spend more on the hobby than me.
On December 29 2012 08:09 ahswtini wrote: Got myself a CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow, with tuned trigger and hammer.
How the hell did you get the licence for a handgun in Northern Ireland?!
Always wanted one, but I thought unless you needed one for personal protection it was just a big no when you applied, you must be in the armed forces?
*jealous*
Easy, you join a target shooting club. Unlike the rest of the UK, handguns are still available for target shooting. You apply just like you would for any "Section 1" firearm like a rifle.
On December 29 2012 08:09 ahswtini wrote: Got myself a CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow, with tuned trigger and hammer.
How the hell did you get the licence for a handgun in Northern Ireland?!
Always wanted one, but I thought unless you needed one for personal protection it was just a big no when you applied, you must be in the armed forces?
*jealous*
Easy, you join a target shooting club. Unlike the rest of the UK, handguns are still available for target shooting. You apply just like you would for any "Section 1" firearm like a rifle.
Man, so much effort. I spent 10 minutes filling out paperwork, 20 waiting for the guy to do a quick background check over the phone, and 5 paying.
Now, granted, I think it might be just a little TOO easy here, but still. How's that thing shoot? Never shot one.
On December 29 2012 08:18 micronesia wrote: For those of you talking about a shotgun being problematic for home defense due to collateral damage, what about just loading it with bird shot? It will still have plenty of stopping power if you are forced to use it, but won't kill people two rooms over like say, a rifle bullet could. I like the idea of a short, bull-pup shotgun such as the kel-tec ksg:
which gives you maximum maneuverability. However, it might not be as intimidating (especially in the dark) as a more classic style (and sounding) pump action. Alternately, a double-barrel can probably petrify a charging elephant... staring down two horizontal barrels is pretty intimidating :p
Interesting. I might get one of these to replace my Remington 870 Tactical for home defense.
Personally, I prefer smaller rounds like 9s and 22LRs.
Where do you live?
I'm not sure what you mean by this? Country? State? Exact address?
Are you going to rob me to test how my 870 does?
Not at all - I was just trying to figure out with what regularity your home is being invaded by small-medium sized task forces which necessitate the use of 12-14 shells fired in rapid succession to eliminate? Isn't the pump action shotgun just child's play at that point? What is the advantage of the KSG over say - 2 stun grenades and an FN P90?
oh wow alot of people listed AK-47.Are these original pre-ban milled AK-47 or Type-56 ? or are these just the Romanian WASR-10? If it the original AK or Type-56 how much would one of these go for now?
It's beautiful. It weighs a fair bit but it just keeps the recoil down. Points really well, is very accurate and incredibly reliable. Not had any malfunctions yet, but I've only put about 1000 rounds through it. Had the trigger tuned so it breaks very cleanly with no creep. Double action trigger is also very smooth.
Yeah for us there's a lot of paperwork, have to install a cabinet, a firearms licensing officer has to come to your house to interview you and check the cabinet. Then you wait anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 months for that certificate to drop onto your doormat.
On December 29 2012 08:18 micronesia wrote: For those of you talking about a shotgun being problematic for home defense due to collateral damage, what about just loading it with bird shot? It will still have plenty of stopping power if you are forced to use it, but won't kill people two rooms over like say, a rifle bullet could. I like the idea of a short, bull-pup shotgun such as the kel-tec ksg:
which gives you maximum maneuverability. However, it might not be as intimidating (especially in the dark) as a more classic style (and sounding) pump action. Alternately, a double-barrel can probably petrify a charging elephant... staring down two horizontal barrels is pretty intimidating :p
Interesting. I might get one of these to replace my Remington 870 Tactical for home defense.
Personally, I prefer smaller rounds like 9s and 22LRs.
Where do you live?
I'm not sure what you mean by this? Country? State? Exact address?
Are you going to rob me to test how my 870 does?
Not at all - I was just trying to figure out with what regularity your home is being invaded by small-medium sized task forces which necessitate the use of 12-14 shells fired in rapid succession to eliminate? Isn't the pump action shotgun just child's play at that point? What is the advantage of the KSG over say - 2 stun grenades and a FN P90?
Well, ignoring your absurdity, the sound and look of a shotgun are incredibly intimidating, and it's not exactly unheard of for people to flee on sight, which, actually saves lives.
Also, to answer your absurd question, "stun" grenades can kill, in particular small children, they're not good in self defense situations since you'd need even more time to put on hearing protection.
How often do you "need" to browse the internet looking for gun owners to provoke? Do you make money off of it? If not, why would you do it, let alone own a computer to do it when you could just browse the internet at your local library instead?
On December 29 2012 10:13 ahswtini wrote: It's beautiful. It weighs a fair bit but it just keeps the recoil down. Points really well, is very accurate and incredibly reliable. Not had any malfunctions yet, but I've only put about 1000 rounds through it. Had the trigger tuned so it breaks very cleanly with no creep. Double action trigger is also very smooth.
Yeah for us there's a lot of paperwork, have to install a cabinet, a firearms licensing officer has to come to your house to interview you and check the cabinet. Then you wait anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 months for that certificate to drop onto your doormat.
That's cool - how does that compare to the US? Is there a cabinet inspection here as well?
Well, the guns I would like to own would be those:
MG3 (Nato cal., 1200 rounds per min, THE light machine gun of all light machine guns, and that sound...so damn good) HK G3A3 (nato cal., so much fun to shoot with and a sturdy beast) HK MP7 (!!!!)
Unfortunately, I will never own any of em, so I have to remember my army time and smile...
On December 29 2012 10:13 ahswtini wrote: It's beautiful. It weighs a fair bit but it just keeps the recoil down. Points really well, is very accurate and incredibly reliable. Not had any malfunctions yet, but I've only put about 1000 rounds through it. Had the trigger tuned so it breaks very cleanly with no creep. Double action trigger is also very smooth.
Yeah for us there's a lot of paperwork, have to install a cabinet, a firearms licensing officer has to come to your house to interview you and check the cabinet. Then you wait anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 months for that certificate to drop onto your doormat.
Nice. My best experience was my friend's XD .40. My dad's Taurus pisses me off because it's too small for my hand, and it's so light it feels like airsoft and the recoil is vile.
My Hi Point is decent, but the magazine needed an attitude adjustment. They're kind of the AK-47 of pistols. Ugly, mass produced, inexpensive. But they go bang. It cost $165, has a lifetime no BS transferrable warranty that can't be voided without power tools.
It's no match gun, although I did see a video of a guy shooting an IDPA match and doing pretty well with one, but that's more down to the shooter.
On December 29 2012 10:13 ahswtini wrote: It's beautiful. It weighs a fair bit but it just keeps the recoil down. Points really well, is very accurate and incredibly reliable. Not had any malfunctions yet, but I've only put about 1000 rounds through it. Had the trigger tuned so it breaks very cleanly with no creep. Double action trigger is also very smooth.
Yeah for us there's a lot of paperwork, have to install a cabinet, a firearms licensing officer has to come to your house to interview you and check the cabinet. Then you wait anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 months for that certificate to drop onto your doormat.
That's cool - how does that compare to the US? Is there a cabinet inspection here as well?
Dude, given that he literally put that as an ANSWER to me saying what I went through in Texas, can you please at least take your provocative and tired rhetoric and annoying agenda that you aren't managing to be as subtle as you think about over to the gun control thread?
On December 29 2012 08:18 micronesia wrote: For those of you talking about a shotgun being problematic for home defense due to collateral damage, what about just loading it with bird shot? It will still have plenty of stopping power if you are forced to use it, but won't kill people two rooms over like say, a rifle bullet could. I like the idea of a short, bull-pup shotgun such as the kel-tec ksg:
which gives you maximum maneuverability. However, it might not be as intimidating (especially in the dark) as a more classic style (and sounding) pump action. Alternately, a double-barrel can probably petrify a charging elephant... staring down two horizontal barrels is pretty intimidating :p
Interesting. I might get one of these to replace my Remington 870 Tactical for home defense.
Personally, I prefer smaller rounds like 9s and 22LRs.
Where do you live?
I'm not sure what you mean by this? Country? State? Exact address?
Are you going to rob me to test how my 870 does?
Not at all - I was just trying to figure out with what regularity your home is being invaded by small-medium sized task forces which necessitate the use of 12-14 shells fired in rapid succession to eliminate? Isn't the pump action shotgun just child's play at that point? What is the advantage of the KSG over say - 2 stun grenades and a FN P90?
Well, ignoring your absurdity, the sound and look of a shotgun are incredibly intimidating, and it's not exactly unheard of for people to flee on sight, which, actually saves lives.
Also, to answer your absurd question, "stun" grenades can kill, in particular small children, they're not good in self defense situations since you'd need even more time to put on hearing protection.
How often do you "need" to browse the internet looking for gun owners to provoke? Do you make money off of it? If not, why would you do it, let alone own a computer to do it when you could just browse the internet at your local library instead?
Err - I'm really not trying to provoke you. I'm just asking why you own the guns you own. I am assuming you have decent aim and avoid using stun grenades on your children (in terms of collateral damage wouldn't the children still fare better against the stun grenade than the shotgun?). Also, if it's the intimidation factor of a shotgun - wouldn't a more economically responsible choice be like - a normal pump action shotgun?
On December 29 2012 10:13 ahswtini wrote: It's beautiful. It weighs a fair bit but it just keeps the recoil down. Points really well, is very accurate and incredibly reliable. Not had any malfunctions yet, but I've only put about 1000 rounds through it. Had the trigger tuned so it breaks very cleanly with no creep. Double action trigger is also very smooth.
Yeah for us there's a lot of paperwork, have to install a cabinet, a firearms licensing officer has to come to your house to interview you and check the cabinet. Then you wait anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 months for that certificate to drop onto your doormat.
That's cool - how does that compare to the US? Is there a cabinet inspection here as well?
Dude, given that he literally put that as an ANSWER to me saying what I went through in Texas, can you please at least take your provocative and tired rhetoric and annoying agenda that you aren't managing to be as subtle as you think about over to the gun control thread?
I really thought it was cool - I have no agenda here. Sorry I didn't see that line. You're really provoking yourself - unless you find my rhetoric arousing - in which case I totally misjudged that statement.
On December 29 2012 08:18 micronesia wrote: For those of you talking about a shotgun being problematic for home defense due to collateral damage, what about just loading it with bird shot? It will still have plenty of stopping power if you are forced to use it, but won't kill people two rooms over like say, a rifle bullet could. I like the idea of a short, bull-pup shotgun such as the kel-tec ksg:
which gives you maximum maneuverability. However, it might not be as intimidating (especially in the dark) as a more classic style (and sounding) pump action. Alternately, a double-barrel can probably petrify a charging elephant... staring down two horizontal barrels is pretty intimidating :p
Interesting. I might get one of these to replace my Remington 870 Tactical for home defense.
Personally, I prefer smaller rounds like 9s and 22LRs.
Where do you live?
I'm not sure what you mean by this? Country? State? Exact address?
Are you going to rob me to test how my 870 does?
Not at all - I was just trying to figure out with what regularity your home is being invaded by small-medium sized task forces which necessitate the use of 12-14 shells fired in rapid succession to eliminate? Isn't the pump action shotgun just child's play at that point? What is the advantage of the KSG over say - 2 stun grenades and an FN P90?
Does it happen regularly? No. Will it ever happen? Maybe not. But all it takes is one time. If you have a problem with me being prepared over something that may or may not ever happen, I don't really know what to tell you. I guess you also don't believe in condoms, life jackets, and seat belts. *Shrug*
On December 29 2012 08:05 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: I really want a beretta 92fs I don't own a gun personally but my family owns a couple, but our family is more archery shooting.
Beretta 92fs is the best looking handgun imo
Guns or archery shooting, why not both!?
I'm not a fan of the Beretta, myself. I think it's overpriced for what it offers.
$725 MSRP for a big, bulky handgun with no bells and whistles. Sure, it's reasonably reliable, and looks kind of pretty, but, it's kind of meh for the price.
for me it's just so sexy, It feels really good as well. After shooting bows for years I have been moving towards guns for target practice, The price in getting decent arrows has gone up quite a bit recently.
On December 29 2012 08:05 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: I really want a beretta 92fs I don't own a gun personally but my family owns a couple, but our family is more archery shooting.
Beretta 92fs is the best looking handgun imo
Guns or archery shooting, why not both!?
I'm not a fan of the Beretta, myself. I think it's overpriced for what it offers.
$725 MSRP for a big, bulky handgun with no bells and whistles. Sure, it's reasonably reliable, and looks kind of pretty, but, it's kind of meh for the price.
for me it's just so sexy, It feels really good as well. After shooting bows for years I have been moving towards guns for target practice, The price in getting decent arrows has gone up quite a bit recently.
any recommendations for a first Rifle?
Depends on if you have caliber preference. If you just want something for plinking, you can't beat a .22 LR, if you want something that actually packs some punch, you can generally get an SKS for a reasonable price.
I mean, there's SO much in the way of personal preference that it takes more information. Otherwise you'll just find out what everyone else likes.
Thinking of updating my Remington 870 with a Blackhawk breachersgrip (supposed to limit painful recoil by 65% or so). Anyone have any experience with this grip? Seen youtube vids of people shooting 1 handed with this and claim to have no issues with wrist pain.
On December 29 2012 08:05 SigmaoctanusIV wrote: I really want a beretta 92fs I don't own a gun personally but my family owns a couple, but our family is more archery shooting.
Beretta 92fs is the best looking handgun imo
Guns or archery shooting, why not both!?
I'm not a fan of the Beretta, myself. I think it's overpriced for what it offers.
$725 MSRP for a big, bulky handgun with no bells and whistles. Sure, it's reasonably reliable, and looks kind of pretty, but, it's kind of meh for the price.
for me it's just so sexy, It feels really good as well. After shooting bows for years I have been moving towards guns for target practice, The price in getting decent arrows has gone up quite a bit recently.
any recommendations for a first Rifle?
Depends on if you have caliber preference. If you just want something for plinking, you can't beat a .22 LR, if you want something that actually packs some punch, you can generally get an SKS for a reasonable price.
I mean, there's SO much in the way of personal preference that it takes more information. Otherwise you'll just find out what everyone else likes.
Yeah, I am looking for a rifle I can have that is cheaper and can take a good beating, My family owns guns but I never had my own, want to start my collection but start with something reliable. .22s are very nice and the ammo is decently priced.
Pistol should be easy to get in America. For a suppressor, you'll need to pay a $200 tax stamp or something, and maybe fill out a load of paperwork, I'm not too sure about that though.
Really wouldnt mind owning an MP40(WW2 gun) or a Mosin-Nagant. Those 2 along with the SVD and AK47 are like the guns i wanna own more than anything -_-. no idea where to look for them though
On December 29 2012 11:12 ahswtini wrote: Pistol should be easy to get in America. For a suppressor, you'll need to pay a $200 tax stamp or something, and maybe fill out a load of paperwork, I'm not too sure about that though.
This will vary a lot by state/county/city. Where I live getting a pistol permit is a big pain in the ass.
There are many legitimate reasons for wanting a suppressor. If you want to shoot without hearing protection, for home defence (Hollywood really doesn't portray just how loud firing a gun indoors can be), and just the plain cool factor.
On December 29 2012 11:30 arb wrote: Really wouldnt mind owning an MP40(WW2 gun) or a Mosin-Nagant. Those 2 along with the SVD and AK47 are like the guns i wanna own more than anything -_-. no idea where to look for them though
a friend of mine owns a mosin, hes even got the stripper clip ammo that was made for it i think he said that because so many of them were made, it was pretty cheap to get, though i have no idea where from
On December 29 2012 11:47 ahswtini wrote: There are many legitimate reasons for wanting a suppressor. If you want to shoot without hearing protection, for home defence (Hollywood really doesn't portray just how loud firing a gun indoors can be), and just the plain cool factor.
Differences of opinion here are certainly okay, but personally I just don't see it, there.
When you are shooting for sport, you wear hearing protection. I mean, if you don't want to that's up to you, but I don't think a suppressor is a reasonable alternative to hearing protection.
In home defense, the sound is the least of your worries. Yea, it's bad to shoot a gun without hearing protection, but unless you are getting weekly intruders I don't think the loud sound will take its toll. The suppressor might actually make it more difficult for you to defend yourself should you need to.
The coolness factor I don't see, but again, I recognize there can simply be a difference of opinion here.
On December 29 2012 11:12 ahswtini wrote: Pistol should be easy to get in America. For a suppressor, you'll need to pay a $200 tax stamp or something, and maybe fill out a load of paperwork, I'm not too sure about that though.
Here in Missouri, if you get the federal tax stamp, it's totally legal to make your own as long as it is made here in the state :D
Pretty cool and I plan to. The baffling inside can be tricky though.
Aimsurplus.com has mosins. It's where I got all of mine. The price is steadily increasing. A year ago they were $80 each but now they're $100-200 depending on round or hex receiver.
On December 29 2012 11:47 ahswtini wrote: There are many legitimate reasons for wanting a suppressor. If you want to shoot without hearing protection, for home defence (Hollywood really doesn't portray just how loud firing a gun indoors can be), and just the plain cool factor.
Differences of opinion here are certainly okay, but personally I just don't see it, there.
When you are shooting for sport, you wear hearing protection. I mean, if you don't want to that's up to you, but I don't think a suppressor is a reasonable alternative to hearing protection.
In home defense, the sound is the least of your worries. Yea, it's bad to shoot a gun without hearing protection, but unless you are getting weekly intruders I don't think the loud sound will take its toll. The suppressor might actually make it more difficult for you to defend yourself should you need to.
The coolness factor I don't see, but again, I recognize there can simply be a difference of opinion here.
The sound of a .45, or even a 9mm going off indoors can easily be disorientating. I wouldn't even recommend trying a higher calibre pistol round indoors just to see what it's like. That's not to mention if you're running a carbine indoors which will be even louder.
First part of this video goes through why it should be considered for HD:
I'm buying a sub-compact Glock .45 for my belt, a snub-nosed .38 for my boot, and some kind of shotgun (haven't decided which model yet) as soon as I get to North Dakota (moving there next week).
I'll probably end up picking up some AK-style rifle in the near future. I've always been a big fan of that weapon design. Something about the wood furniture is just so damn appealing to me.
On December 29 2012 11:12 ahswtini wrote: Pistol should be easy to get in America. For a suppressor, you'll need to pay a $200 tax stamp or something, and maybe fill out a load of paperwork, I'm not too sure about that though.
Here in Missouri, if you get the federal tax stamp, it's totally legal to make your own as long as it is made here in the state :D
Pretty cool and I plan to. The baffling inside can be tricky though.
They're actually pretty simple if you make a rather ghetto version out of steel pipe and washers, though that'll obviously be far from ideal lol In case anyone is interested about how silencers look on the inside, there are some diagrams on wikipedia
I'm not a huge gun guy, but what experience I have sport shooting with my brother and father I've thoroughly enjoyed.
Not interested in a gun for self defense or anything, just straight up sport. I live in Central Florida so I don't know what I could really hunt, maybe gators lol. But yeah, what would be a nifty gun for this? I figure I could maybe get a pretty low caliber gun for sport shooting, and one with more punch for any hunting I may want to do in the future?
On December 29 2012 16:14 Fruscainte wrote: I figure this is a nice place to ask.
I'm not a huge gun guy, but what experience I have sport shooting with my brother and father I've thoroughly enjoyed.
Not interested in a gun for self defense or anything, just straight up sport. I live in Central Florida so I don't know what I could really hunt, maybe gators lol. But yeah, what would be a nifty gun for this? I figure I could maybe get a pretty low caliber gun for sport shooting, and one with more punch for any hunting I may want to do in the future?
The obvious answer would be a Mosin Nagant since they are really cheap ($100-$150 from what I've seen) and ammo is relatively cheap as well; so unless you have a high budget I'd go with a nugget if I were you.
.22 long rifle (first gun) 12, 16 gage shotguns .37 special, .38 special .45 magnum .35 9mm glock 2 .22 pistols .37 rifle ordered parts because I'm building 4 ar-15's
On December 29 2012 16:14 Fruscainte wrote: I figure this is a nice place to ask.
I'm not a huge gun guy, but what experience I have sport shooting with my brother and father I've thoroughly enjoyed.
Not interested in a gun for self defense or anything, just straight up sport. I live in Central Florida so I don't know what I could really hunt, maybe gators lol. But yeah, what would be a nifty gun for this? I figure I could maybe get a pretty low caliber gun for sport shooting, and one with more punch for any hunting I may want to do in the future?
FL has quite a bit of hunting options: white tail, lots of game birds, gator, hog, and various small game. Depending on what you are interested in would determine the weapon to use. For smaller game/gator you are probably looking at .22 -> .223. Bird will usually be with a shotgun of some type. If you have a taste for deer you will need at least a .243 up to around a .270 or 30-06. I got my wife a 7mm-08 a few years ago and both she and I love it. I used it for my deer this year.
For more information look at the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission website http://myfwc.com/hunting/. Good luck, and I hope you are pleased with whatever decision you make
Being new to guns, I plan on one day carrying one in my eventual house. But I need you fabulous people's advice on what gun to purchase in the future. My requirements are: Relatively cheap- approx. 300 dollars or less Low Maintenance- I dont want to have to clean the gun a lot, or preferably at all if im just storing it and not practicing. Easy to load- I dont want to keep a loaded gun around the house, so the plan would be to keep ammo and gun in separate locations but close to each other. (Same room different closets/cabinets) Reliable in various environments- I assume most guns work when its raining or snowing outside, but just incase thats pretty important as well incase its somehow gets wet inside or its exposed to hot/cold temp. Laser vs no laser sight? Since i'll probably be a bad shot i would bet I would want one. Shotguns on the other hand dont really need one.
I keep it holstered in a drawer. I keep the 13 round magazine loaded but nothing chambered. The holster also fits a 10 round magazine on top. I shoot this one fairly regularly, maybe once a month or so, sometimes less, sometimes more. Really love this gun. Reliable, easy to shoot, great power, just wonderful piece of equipment. I might buy the 9MM version for my girlfriend as she has a harder time with the .45, but with the 9mm (my parents have the 9mm version) her accuracy and confidence shooting is just way better.
2) Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun.
I keep this guy in it's sock case in the closet, I only take it out for clays.
I'm not super pro-gun or anything, I just think with the current laws and the way things are there is no reason not to have a gun in the house for personal protection. If you're smart and safe they really aren't anything to fear. Range shooting is pretty fun to boot!
CZ 75 .40 Kahr P380 .380 Ruger Mark 3 .22 One of those North American Arms Mini Revolvers in 22 MAG
Winchester 1300 20G New England Arms 20G Single Shot Remington 870 ATAC 12G 2 Remington 870 WingMaster Remington 1100 20G Remington 1100 Magnum 12G Winchester O/U 12G
Marlin Bolt Action .22 2 Ruger 10/22 .22 S&W MP15 .22 Rock River AR-15 16"Barrel 5.56 Rock River AR-15 18" 5.56 3 AKM 47 Type 7.62x39 WASR ROM Rus Yugo AK 74 5.45x39 Savage 14 .270 Remington 700 .308 Remington 700 300 WIN MAG 4 Mosin's 7.62x54R Mauser 8mm Mauser 30-06
AR10 Lower Rock River 4 AR15 Lowers Rock River/Spikes
As to what is next, I will probably build my AR10. Then a revolver in 38/357 MAG. I also always wanted a Lever Action in 45-70 but will probably just get it in .22 so it is cheap to shoot.
So according to my state law, its legal to own any sort of rifle/shotgun with no permit. HOWEVER, any fully automatic gun is illegal, so would owning something like say, an ak47 provided it was semi auto be legal? I figure i'd ask here since most of the people here seem to know about this kinda thing.
On December 29 2012 18:58 arb wrote: So according to my state law, its legal to own any sort of rifle/shotgun with no permit. HOWEVER, any fully automatic gun is illegal, so would owning something like say, an ak47 provided it was semi auto be legal? I figure i'd ask here since most of the people here seem to know about this kinda thing.
Owning a full auto rifle isn't necessarily illegal, per se, but it is heavily regulated. There are even legit fully auto AKs that were imported before 1986, though they are tightly regulated.
In most states (not quite sure where Noobville is ) AKs converted to semi auto and of sufficient length and other such requirements are treated no different than any other rifle. Be sure to check local and state regulations though.
On December 29 2012 18:58 arb wrote: So according to my state law, its legal to own any sort of rifle/shotgun with no permit. HOWEVER, any fully automatic gun is illegal, so would owning something like say, an ak47 provided it was semi auto be legal? I figure i'd ask here since most of the people here seem to know about this kinda thing.
Check with your local police station or ATF or NRA or some other expert in state gun law.
On December 29 2012 18:38 norjoncal wrote: O.o
That's...a lot of guns*. Where do you store them all?
*48 guns...and why so many duplicates? Do you own a gun shop or shooting range or something?
28 ga. CZ Redhead Over-Under (Hunting dove, when using my 12 ga doesn't present much of a "challenge" anymore ie when there's so many birds that I'd prefer to pick my shots more carefully.)
I use all of my guns for hunting, but plan on purchasing a handgun soon. I just received my CHS certificate just a few weeks ago and am in the process of coming up with the 2 required proofs of residency. California gun laws are...strict, to say the least.
On December 30 2012 02:44 Soxes wrote: I own 4 guns, soon to be 5. All of them are for hunting purposes, some to even fulfill the same role (I'll explain what I mean in my post).
28 ga. CZ Redhead Over-Under (Hunting dove, when using my 12 ga doesn't present much of a "challenge" anymore ie when there's so many birds that I'd prefer to pick my shots more carefully.)
I use all of my guns for hunting, but plan on purchasing a handgun soon. I just received my CHS certificate just a few weeks ago and am in the process of coming up with the 2 required proofs of residency. California gun laws are...strict, to say the least.
Does your 597 jam alot? Mine did. Two different ones with all kinds of different 22LR ammo. I do have the VTR though.
That's...a lot of guns*. Where do you store them all?
*48 guns...and why so many duplicates? Do you own a gun shop or shooting range or something?[/QUOTE]
I have bought the AR's, AK's,most of the pistols and one of the shotguns.I am 29 now and have been buying my own since 18, just saving a few hundred of dollars a month it adds up over the years. The other guns I got for Christmas and birthday presents. A lot of the guns that I own were passed down to me by my Dad, and Grandparents. I do have a few dream collections.Mosin's are cheap but I would like to own one from every factory. I hope to pass the guns on to my future kids, if I have any. Guns hold their value pretty well, and if you take care of them last forever.
Does your 597 jam alot? Mine did. Two different ones with all kinds of different 22LR ammo. I do have the VTR though.
It doesn't jam "alot," but has jammed a time or two in the past. What has happened to me on multiple occasions was that the shell casing wasn't ejected quickly enough before the chamber closed. This would lead to a shell getting trapped or "slammed" into the groove where the action rests. IIRC this only happens though when I'm firing faster than ~1 shot every second or so for 10+ seconds, but if it's happening during a more "normal" rate of fire, you might want to send it back or check to see if it's still under a warranty.
Does your 597 jam alot? Mine did. Two different ones with all kinds of different 22LR ammo. I do have the VTR though.
It doesn't jam "alot," but has jammed a time or two in the past. What has happened to me on multiple occasions was that the shell casing wasn't ejected quickly enough before the chamber closed. This would lead to a shell getting trapped or "slammed" into the groove where the action rests. IIRC this only happens though when I'm firing faster than ~1 shot every second or so for 10+ seconds, but if it's happening during a more "normal" rate of fire, you might want to send it back or check to see if it's still under a warranty.
The Remington 597 has extractor problems that can easily replaced with after market parts and also first gen all plastic mags suck they cause feeding issues, get second or third gen mags. So get that extractor replaced and get better mags.
Does your 597 jam alot? Mine did. Two different ones with all kinds of different 22LR ammo. I do have the VTR though.
It doesn't jam "alot," but has jammed a time or two in the past. What has happened to me on multiple occasions was that the shell casing wasn't ejected quickly enough before the chamber closed. This would lead to a shell getting trapped or "slammed" into the groove where the action rests. IIRC this only happens though when I'm firing faster than ~1 shot every second or so for 10+ seconds, but if it's happening during a more "normal" rate of fire, you might want to send it back or check to see if it's still under a warranty.
The Remington 597 has extractor problems that can easily replaced with after market parts and also first gen all plastic mags suck they cause feeding issues, get second or third gen mags. So get that extractor replaced and get better mags.
Strange, some people I talked to said the problem was the after market parts. I'll give this a shot. And yeah, me trying to shoot it like a full auto might have something to do with it too.
That's...a lot of guns*. Where do you store them all?
*48 guns...and why so many duplicates? Do you own a gun shop or shooting range or something?
I have bought the AR's, AK's,most of the pistols and one of the shotguns.I am 29 now and have been buying my own since 18, just saving a few hundred of dollars a month it adds up over the years. The other guns I got for Christmas and birthday presents. A lot of the guns that I own were passed down to me by my Dad, and Grandparents. I do have a few dream collections.Mosin's are cheap but I would like to own one from every factory. I hope to pass the guns on to my future kids, if I have any. Guns hold their value pretty well, and if you take care of them last forever.
I didn't know these types of guns were so cheap. Thanks for the heads up. I'm heading into a local store to get one of the Mosins. $120 bucks wtf?
Does your 597 jam alot? Mine did. Two different ones with all kinds of different 22LR ammo. I do have the VTR though.
It doesn't jam "alot," but has jammed a time or two in the past. What has happened to me on multiple occasions was that the shell casing wasn't ejected quickly enough before the chamber closed. This would lead to a shell getting trapped or "slammed" into the groove where the action rests. IIRC this only happens though when I'm firing faster than ~1 shot every second or so for 10+ seconds, but if it's happening during a more "normal" rate of fire, you might want to send it back or check to see if it's still under a warranty.
The Remington 597 has extractor problems that can easily replaced with after market parts and also first gen all plastic mags suck they cause feeding issues, get second or third gen mags. So get that extractor replaced and get better mags.
Strange, some people I talked to said the problem was the after market parts. I'll give this a shot. And yeah, me trying to shoot it like a full auto might have something to do with it too.
I have bought the AR's, AK's,most of the pistols and one of the shotguns.I am 29 now and have been buying my own since 18, just saving a few hundred of dollars a month it adds up over the years. The other guns I got for Christmas and birthday presents. A lot of the guns that I own were passed down to me by my Dad, and Grandparents. I do have a few dream collections.Mosin's are cheap but I would like to own one from every factory. I hope to pass the guns on to my future kids, if I have any. Guns hold their value pretty well, and if you take care of them last forever.
I didn't know these types of guns were so cheap. Thanks for the heads up. I'm heading into a local store to get one of the Mosins. $120 bucks wtf?
Does your 597 jam alot? Mine did. Two different ones with all kinds of different 22LR ammo. I do have the VTR though.
It doesn't jam "alot," but has jammed a time or two in the past. What has happened to me on multiple occasions was that the shell casing wasn't ejected quickly enough before the chamber closed. This would lead to a shell getting trapped or "slammed" into the groove where the action rests. IIRC this only happens though when I'm firing faster than ~1 shot every second or so for 10+ seconds, but if it's happening during a more "normal" rate of fire, you might want to send it back or check to see if it's still under a warranty.
The Remington 597 has extractor problems that can easily replaced with after market parts and also first gen all plastic mags suck they cause feeding issues, get second or third gen mags. So get that extractor replaced and get better mags.
Strange, some people I talked to said the problem was the after market parts. I'll give this a shot. And yeah, me trying to shoot it like a full auto might have something to do with it too.
On December 30 2012 11:08 norjoncal wrote:
On December 29 2012 18:38 norjoncal wrote: O.o
That's...a lot of guns*. Where do you store them all?
*48 guns...and why so many duplicates? Do you own a gun shop or shooting range or something?
I have bought the AR's, AK's,most of the pistols and one of the shotguns.I am 29 now and have been buying my own since 18, just saving a few hundred of dollars a month it adds up over the years. The other guns I got for Christmas and birthday presents. A lot of the guns that I own were passed down to me by my Dad, and Grandparents. I do have a few dream collections.Mosin's are cheap but I would like to own one from every factory. I hope to pass the guns on to my future kids, if I have any. Guns hold their value pretty well, and if you take care of them last forever.
I didn't know these types of guns were so cheap. Thanks for the heads up. I'm heading into a local store to get one of the Mosins. $120 bucks wtf?
Just bought a Mosin-Nagant M91/30 for $120. It was one of the picked over guns (local army surplus store started with about 300 in stock and I bought mine when there were 30 left), but it's still in pretty good shape.
On January 02 2013 03:32 Kimaker wrote: Just bought a Mosin-Nagant M91/30 for $120. It was one of the picked over guns (local army surplus store started with about 300 in stock and I bought mine when there were 30 left), but it's still in pretty good shape.
Next up for me is an AR-15.
A suggestion: Hurry up and buy the lower receiver. It's cheap and has the serial number on it. Then, if something new comes in as far as laws and it grandfathers things, you should be able to ignore it due to having the serial registered first.
Even if you decide to build or buy something legit, the value of a grandfathered lower will probably double or triple at least within just a few months.
On December 29 2012 18:38 norjoncal wrote: 45 Glock 21 Glock 30 Springfield 1911
9mm Glock 17, Glock 27 S&W MP KelTec PF 11
CZ 75 .40 Kahr P380 .380 Ruger Mark 3 .22 One of those North American Arms Mini Revolvers in 22 MAG
Winchester 1300 20G New England Arms 20G Single Shot Remington 870 ATAC 12G 2 Remington 870 WingMaster Remington 1100 20G Remington 1100 Magnum 12G Winchester O/U 12G
Marlin Bolt Action .22 2 Ruger 10/22 .22 S&W MP15 .22 Rock River AR-15 16"Barrel 5.56 Rock River AR-15 18" 5.56 3 AKM 47 Type 7.62x39 WASR ROM Rus Yugo AK 74 5.45x39 Savage 14 .270 Remington 700 .308 Remington 700 300 WIN MAG 4 Mosin's 7.62x54R Mauser 8mm Mauser 30-06
AR10 Lower Rock River 4 AR15 Lowers Rock River/Spikes
As to what is next, I will probably build my AR10. Then a revolver in 38/357 MAG. I also always wanted a Lever Action in 45-70 but will probably just get it in .22 so it is cheap to shoot.
Does your 597 jam alot? Mine did. Two different ones with all kinds of different 22LR ammo. I do have the VTR though.
It doesn't jam "alot," but has jammed a time or two in the past. What has happened to me on multiple occasions was that the shell casing wasn't ejected quickly enough before the chamber closed. This would lead to a shell getting trapped or "slammed" into the groove where the action rests. IIRC this only happens though when I'm firing faster than ~1 shot every second or so for 10+ seconds, but if it's happening during a more "normal" rate of fire, you might want to send it back or check to see if it's still under a warranty.
The Remington 597 has extractor problems that can easily replaced with after market parts and also first gen all plastic mags suck they cause feeding issues, get second or third gen mags. So get that extractor replaced and get better mags.
Strange, some people I talked to said the problem was the after market parts. I'll give this a shot. And yeah, me trying to shoot it like a full auto might have something to do with it too.
On December 30 2012 11:08 norjoncal wrote:
On December 29 2012 18:38 norjoncal wrote: O.o
That's...a lot of guns*. Where do you store them all?
*48 guns...and why so many duplicates? Do you own a gun shop or shooting range or something?
I have bought the AR's, AK's,most of the pistols and one of the shotguns.I am 29 now and have been buying my own since 18, just saving a few hundred of dollars a month it adds up over the years. The other guns I got for Christmas and birthday presents. A lot of the guns that I own were passed down to me by my Dad, and Grandparents. I do have a few dream collections.Mosin's are cheap but I would like to own one from every factory. I hope to pass the guns on to my future kids, if I have any. Guns hold their value pretty well, and if you take care of them last forever.
I didn't know these types of guns were so cheap. Thanks for the heads up. I'm heading into a local store to get one of the Mosins. $120 bucks wtf?
Out of stock right now, but it seems like damn near everything is out of stock on the net right now.
You buy from budsgunshop? I try to stop by there every chance I get.
Why is ammo so hard to find right now? Just because people are stocking up from the Newport thing or does everyone know something I don't? I just visited a few retailers and they were only willing to let customers have a few boxes of ammo - even in 9mm and 22LR.
Does your 597 jam alot? Mine did. Two different ones with all kinds of different 22LR ammo. I do have the VTR though.
It doesn't jam "alot," but has jammed a time or two in the past. What has happened to me on multiple occasions was that the shell casing wasn't ejected quickly enough before the chamber closed. This would lead to a shell getting trapped or "slammed" into the groove where the action rests. IIRC this only happens though when I'm firing faster than ~1 shot every second or so for 10+ seconds, but if it's happening during a more "normal" rate of fire, you might want to send it back or check to see if it's still under a warranty.
The Remington 597 has extractor problems that can easily replaced with after market parts and also first gen all plastic mags suck they cause feeding issues, get second or third gen mags. So get that extractor replaced and get better mags.
Strange, some people I talked to said the problem was the after market parts. I'll give this a shot. And yeah, me trying to shoot it like a full auto might have something to do with it too.
On December 30 2012 11:08 norjoncal wrote:
On December 29 2012 18:38 norjoncal wrote: O.o
That's...a lot of guns*. Where do you store them all?
*48 guns...and why so many duplicates? Do you own a gun shop or shooting range or something?
I have bought the AR's, AK's,most of the pistols and one of the shotguns.I am 29 now and have been buying my own since 18, just saving a few hundred of dollars a month it adds up over the years. The other guns I got for Christmas and birthday presents. A lot of the guns that I own were passed down to me by my Dad, and Grandparents. I do have a few dream collections.Mosin's are cheap but I would like to own one from every factory. I hope to pass the guns on to my future kids, if I have any. Guns hold their value pretty well, and if you take care of them last forever.
I didn't know these types of guns were so cheap. Thanks for the heads up. I'm heading into a local store to get one of the Mosins. $120 bucks wtf?
Out of stock right now, but it seems like damn near everything is out of stock on the net right now.
You buy from budsgunshop? I try to stop by there every chance I get.
Why is ammo so hard to find right now? Just because people are stocking up from the Newport thing or does everyone know something I don't? I just visited a few retailers and they were only willing to let customers have a few boxes of ammo - even in 9mm and 22LR.
Any time politicians start making a lot of noise about new gun laws, people start stocking up. Not new.
Hard to find anything except weird calibers right now here in the Austin area.
Does your 597 jam alot? Mine did. Two different ones with all kinds of different 22LR ammo. I do have the VTR though.
It doesn't jam "alot," but has jammed a time or two in the past. What has happened to me on multiple occasions was that the shell casing wasn't ejected quickly enough before the chamber closed. This would lead to a shell getting trapped or "slammed" into the groove where the action rests. IIRC this only happens though when I'm firing faster than ~1 shot every second or so for 10+ seconds, but if it's happening during a more "normal" rate of fire, you might want to send it back or check to see if it's still under a warranty.
The Remington 597 has extractor problems that can easily replaced with after market parts and also first gen all plastic mags suck they cause feeding issues, get second or third gen mags. So get that extractor replaced and get better mags.
Strange, some people I talked to said the problem was the after market parts. I'll give this a shot. And yeah, me trying to shoot it like a full auto might have something to do with it too.
On December 30 2012 11:08 norjoncal wrote:
On December 29 2012 18:38 norjoncal wrote: O.o
That's...a lot of guns*. Where do you store them all?
*48 guns...and why so many duplicates? Do you own a gun shop or shooting range or something?
I have bought the AR's, AK's,most of the pistols and one of the shotguns.I am 29 now and have been buying my own since 18, just saving a few hundred of dollars a month it adds up over the years. The other guns I got for Christmas and birthday presents. A lot of the guns that I own were passed down to me by my Dad, and Grandparents. I do have a few dream collections.Mosin's are cheap but I would like to own one from every factory. I hope to pass the guns on to my future kids, if I have any. Guns hold their value pretty well, and if you take care of them last forever.
I didn't know these types of guns were so cheap. Thanks for the heads up. I'm heading into a local store to get one of the Mosins. $120 bucks wtf?
Out of stock right now, but it seems like damn near everything is out of stock on the net right now.
You buy from budsgunshop? I try to stop by there every chance I get.
Why is ammo so hard to find right now? Just because people are stocking up from the Newport thing or does everyone know something I don't? I just visited a few retailers and they were only willing to let customers have a few boxes of ammo - even in 9mm and 22LR.
Can't speak for around the country but my friend was complaining about the same thing. Buying an old 22 off him for casual shooting at the range and complained about that.
Not to start up anything on politics but after Obama got elected there was an ammo shortage for almost a year from people stocking up for fear of Obama's possible anti gun policies. I'm assuming it happened again since he is now in his second term and re-election is no longer a concern for him. They ration the ammo to prevent people from buying entire shipments to resell at a higher price I believe.
Oh, yeah, I figured that was the case. I just never saw anything that drastic. Local vendors saying we're limited to 3 boxes of each type of ammo per week...? I thought there was something much more drastic than that. I didn't have much trouble after the Colorado thing.
I suppose the fact that it's right around Christmas may have something to do with it as well. Especially, being in the south.
On January 02 2013 06:24 jacosajh wrote: Oh, yeah, I figured that was the case. I just never saw anything that drastic. Local vendors saying we're limited to 3 boxes of each type of ammo per week...? I thought there was something much more drastic than that. I didn't have much trouble after the Colorado thing.
I suppose the fact that it's right around Christmas may have something to do with it as well. Especially, being in the south.
They're going to have a hell of a time restocking, so they don't want to sell out in a hurry, because then they lose overall business and customer loyalty. Since it's nation-wide, it's protecting supply a bit.
I know you'll appreciate the analogy since you're one of my techie buddy types, remember HDDs after the flooding in Thailand? They're trying to avoid the same sort of sudden shortage. It's actually better for things overall that way, since prices don't spike as hard and fast.
On January 02 2013 03:32 Kimaker wrote: Just bought a Mosin-Nagant M91/30 for $120. It was one of the picked over guns (local army surplus store started with about 300 in stock and I bought mine when there were 30 left), but it's still in pretty good shape.
Next up for me is an AR-15.
should've gotten an M44 Nagant. Nothing better than that folding bayonet for skewering enemies of the proletariat.
On January 02 2013 03:32 Kimaker wrote: Just bought a Mosin-Nagant M91/30 for $120. It was one of the picked over guns (local army surplus store started with about 300 in stock and I bought mine when there were 30 left), but it's still in pretty good shape.
Next up for me is an AR-15.
should've gotten an M44 Nagant. Nothing better than that folding bayonet for skewering enemies of the proletariat.
They are good guns but a pain to clean. The good thing is you can still find cheap ammo for it. 440 rounds for about 85$ shipped.
I own a Ruger .357 snubnose revolver. I wanted the most stopping power for size I could get, and I've always loved the look, feel, and reliability of revolvers.
Next to buy: a rifle. All I have right now is a Marlin .22. What do TL'ers recommend for reliability, low maintenance, no frills, home protection that I could also take deer hunting if I wanted?
Basically, barrel is at bottom, so recoil kicks back, not up, meaning that you can put all 6 rounds into a target or assailant very quickly. Plus, I like the look. What you guys think?
On January 07 2013 14:39 Maxyim wrote: I already have a subcompact for conceal carry (a G27), and am now looking for a full-size handgun. Strongly considering the Chiappa Rhino 60.
Basically, barrel is at bottom, so recoil kicks back, not up, meaning that you can put all 6 rounds into a target or assailant very quickly. Plus, I like the look. What you guys think?
6 inch barrel, chrome or polished stainless steel finish. to me, this a revolver at its finest. the ventilated rib on the barrel adds to it for me. they are getting rarer to find though since they no longer manufacture them. and are fairly pricey (anywhere from 1100 to 1500$ depending on the condition and where its sold)
On January 07 2013 11:52 StarStrider wrote: I own a Ruger .357 snubnose revolver. I wanted the most stopping power for size I could get, and I've always loved the look, feel, and reliability of revolvers.
Next to buy: a rifle. All I have right now is a Marlin .22. What do TL'ers recommend for reliability, low maintenance, no frills, home protection that I could also take deer hunting if I wanted?
AK-47 in 7.62x39mm. It is the best compromise for a multi-purpose rifle. Get some good polymer tipped bullets like Hornady SST or Hornady Z-Max and it'll cleanly kill a deer with no problem. Alternatively, get a Saiga in 308 if you want more range than the 7.62x39.
Not that I am a gun enthusiast or an avid hunter I came across this and thought it would be neat tool that hunters could use maybe a scope of the future maybe a dud.
Have no guns nor plans to get one, they illegal here. If would live in the usa i would definatly get.
-mg 42 -stg 44 (weapon on wich the ak 47 is based, no clue why kalashnikov gets all the credit) -Glock 17 (just think this is a verry good handweapon and it has a large magazine) -m1 carabine (still a good rifle, even today) -the .50 caliber sniper rifle (not sure wich manufactorer but it costs like 10k, might need safe for this one) -ak 47 (no matter how much trouble the world gets into, ammunition for this one will always be cheap and available, its just the by far most universal weapon)
Have no need for anny of the guns but they are a bit like toys, and i do realy like the historic models.
Hopefully now prices will crash after the press conference. I have had AR's and AK's before, but currently just pistols. When I get my income tax money back I may just go ahead and get another AR and be done with it.
On January 07 2013 14:39 Maxyim wrote: I already have a subcompact for conceal carry (a G27), and am now looking for a full-size handgun. Strongly considering the Chiappa Rhino 60.
Basically, barrel is at bottom, so recoil kicks back, not up, meaning that you can put all 6 rounds into a target or assailant very quickly. Plus, I like the look. What you guys think?
On January 17 2013 02:43 Rassy wrote: Have no guns nor plans to get one, they illegal here. If would live in the usa i would definatly get.
-mg 42 -stg 44 (weapon on wich the ak 47 is based, no clue why kalashnikov gets all the credit) -Glock 17 (just think this is a verry good handweapon and it has a large magazine) -m1 carabine (still a good rifle, even today) -the .50 caliber sniper rifle (not sure wich manufactorer but it costs like 10k, might need safe for this one) -ak 47 (no matter how much trouble the world gets into, ammunition for this one will always be cheap and available, its just the by far most universal weapon)
Have no need for anny of the guns but they are a bit like toys, and i do realy like the historic models.
AK47 only superficially looks like the STG44, they don't really work the same.
Also, original MG42's, STG44's, and AK47's are very hard to get in the US, because they're fully automatic. There's tons of Federal red tape to get through, and some states forbid them entirely.
Was lucky and snagged a remington r-15 from Bass pro the other day for normal market value, was the first one in the store, and even had to jog after seeing other people behind me beginning to run. During the loooong buying process, other salesmen were pointing at me saying I got the last one to other early morning customers, and I got quite a few angry redneck stares. What was amazing though, is that I was there in November and they had full stock of hand guns in the glass case, and now they were almost completely empty, which is crazy for a huge chain store like that. Looked like the whole gun section was looted or something. I'm curious to find out what percentage above average guns have been sold since the rumor of the new laws began circulating.
Trying to decide between a Remmy 700 5R or a Savage 10 with HS Tactical. Will be in .233, although part of me wants the Savage in Lapua since I plan to do handloads for it. Any thoughts?
Currently I have several pistols and a number of long guns, most of which are collectibles. Pistol stable is as follows,
Sig P226 Navy Sig P229 Sig P220 Compact (EDC) S&W police trade in .38.
Long guns...
Bushmaster AR-15 w/ 16.5 barrel and m4 style stock Remington 870 Several Mosin Nagants Russian SKS M1 Carbine A few varieties of the Enfield K98 Mauser
Want List
Id like to get an under folder AK and a Garand as well as some other WW2 era rifles. As far as pistols im pretty content but would like a Browning Hi Power (one of the most comfortable guns I have ever shot) and a PPK for the cool factor.
Hi gun enthousiasts! I recentenly joined a shooting club, which im having a ton of fun with. However, the KNSA (Dutch Sport shooting association) Made a new rule, that people new to shooting, can only shoot .22 calibre guns in your first year. So my question is, what would be a good .22 pistol, also suitable for competition? I've been shooting with a cz 75, with .22 coversion kit on it. It is however owned by the club itself. So, does anyone recommend any .22 pistols, i could use for training, and also for competitions?
.22 LR? Get a revolver, IMO. I have shot a Ruger DA/SA revolver with 4" barrel and it is very accurate. It had a .22 magnum cylinder that you could swap in too. The single action is so light and crisp it is easy to hit where you aim.
I don't own any guns as I currently live in the UK, but back home in Canada my Grandpa has promised me one of his old .308 long rifles. I don't know how I would find out more about it because it was built by a private Czech company in the early 80s, the only thing I can say is that he said he fire-tested it on a long range to be accurate to nearly a mile. I almost got arrested when I was a kid for pointing it out the window at his neighbours, they freaked out and called the cops(as you would if you see a sniper rifle pointed at you right?), luckily for me(and my grandpa) his gun had a trigger-lock that required a key.
Once I move back home I wouldn't mind trying to aquire more hardware, sadly I'm pretty sure Canadian gun laws make pistols/assault rifles out of the question(would love a colt .45 and a ar-15), but I'll probably invest in a nice little .22 for shooting squirrels, maybe a Remington shotgun(there's something iconic about that). I remember when I was a kid my dad took me out with a .22 and made me shoot a rabbit because I wanted a rabbit foot. When I went up to it the rabbit was still alive and he made me finish it off at close range, and take it home and skin it. Turns out I didn't really enjoy the rabbit foot as much after I had the fucking things warm blood all over my hands....taught me a lesson about life and death for sure, and I would love to be able to do this with my kid someday. Although by the time I have kids this probably will be illegal to do......
A Glock 27 is on my short list. I have a Glock 22, but it is too big and heavy to be an effective concealed carry weapon. It's like having a brick hanging off of my pants.
Bought a Saiga 12 IZ-109 not long ago and am getting ready to turn it into a Kushnapup. Hope it's not too hard to convert, but from what I've heard, shouldn't be too bad. Will be super fun at the gun range, and definitely get some weird looks. ^_^
On May 24 2013 09:51 Ettick wrote: I've heard a lot of good things about the Ruger Mark III, it'll probably suit your needs perfectly
I've heard about those, They seem pretty solid, but a pain to do maintenace on. How about the sig mosquito, or the browning/colt/gsg 1911 .22?
On May 24 2013 09:58 Zealotdriver wrote: .22 LR? Get a revolver, IMO. I have shot a Ruger DA/SA revolver with 4" barrel and it is very accurate. It had a .22 magnum cylinder that you could swap in too. The single action is so light and crisp it is easy to hit where you aim.
Not such a fan of revolvers. The competition im entering also requires rapid fire (6 shots, 3 targets, 9 seconds ) Its also single handed so you will have to shoot double action. Not ideal i reckon :S
On May 24 2013 10:36 GaNgStaRR.ElV wrote: I remember when I was a kid my dad took me out with a .22 and made me shoot a rabbit because I wanted a rabbit foot. When I went up to it the rabbit was still alive and he made me finish it off at close range, and take it home and skin it. Turns out I didn't really enjoy the rabbit foot as much after I had the fucking things warm blood all over my hands....taught me a lesson about life and death for sure, and I would love to be able to do this with my kid someday. Although by the time I have kids this probably will be illegal to do......
Although some might find it cruel I actually think your father taught you a harsh but good lesson there.
I also think guns are awesome and don't get why people don't understand their appeal... it's kind of like cars I guess... I mean you don't need a Ferrari to do shopping but they sure as hell are still awesome right? Too bad my country is kind of strict on guns...
I only have one, but I really like shooting kids with it. Also, I don't know why but I always get some really strange looks when I turn up at the shooting range with it. Here's a pic:
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