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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 18 2015 01:22 GMT
#6861
Who wins: 20 year old Bobby Fisher vs 20 year old Magnus Carlson?
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46212 Posts
September 18 2015 01:28 GMT
#6862
On September 18 2015 10:22 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Who wins: 20 year old Bobby Fisher vs 20 year old Magnus Carlson?


Trick question; they're spelled Fischer and Carlsen.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
September 18 2015 01:31 GMT
#6863
There were three Davids in my class at school. And it's just as arbitrary as any other sound that we've decided is a name so more variance is a good thing, if only so we don't end up playing "no, the other David, no, not him, the other other one". Other than mocking other cultures I honestly don't see the advantage of normalizing Biblical/Anglo names and looking down on any others. Although I do always have a chuckle when I hear the name Mitt Romney. What's that short for? Mitthew?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46212 Posts
September 18 2015 01:32 GMT
#6864
On September 18 2015 10:31 KwarK wrote:
There were three Davids in my class at school. And it's just as arbitrary as any other sound that we've decided is a name so more variance is a good thing, if only so we don't end up playing "no, the other David, no, not him, the other other one". Other than mocking other cultures I honestly don't see the advantage of normalizing Biblical/Anglo names and looking down on any others. Although I do always have a chuckle when I hear the name Mitt Romney. What's that short for? Mitthew?


His first name is Willard. His middle name is Mitt.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
September 18 2015 01:36 GMT
#6865
On September 18 2015 10:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 10:31 KwarK wrote:
There were three Davids in my class at school. And it's just as arbitrary as any other sound that we've decided is a name so more variance is a good thing, if only so we don't end up playing "no, the other David, no, not him, the other other one". Other than mocking other cultures I honestly don't see the advantage of normalizing Biblical/Anglo names and looking down on any others. Although I do always have a chuckle when I hear the name Mitt Romney. What's that short for? Mitthew?


His first name is Willard. His middle name is Mitt.

Willard? Is that supposed to be long for Will? Which would be short for William? Is this a riddle?
I'm gonna name my son Goat. It'll be short for Billy Goat which is long for Bill which is a name of a lot of Williams go by. Although I'll call him Kid when he's a child, it'll be a few years before I call him Goat.
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Epishade
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2267 Posts
September 18 2015 02:06 GMT
#6866
I decide to be lazy one day and send my robot down to the store to pick me up some groceries. On the way there, my robot bumps into a little kid and pushes him into traffic, causing the child serious injury. Who is liable for this injury? The robot is property and afaik you can't sue property. And I had no reasonable assumption that my robot would cause injury on the way to pick up groceries. Assume the robot had very basic ai, enough to pick up groceries and do my laundry, but not really much else.
Pinhead Larry in the streets, Dirty Dan in the sheets.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46212 Posts
September 18 2015 02:06 GMT
#6867
On September 18 2015 10:36 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 10:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 18 2015 10:31 KwarK wrote:
There were three Davids in my class at school. And it's just as arbitrary as any other sound that we've decided is a name so more variance is a good thing, if only so we don't end up playing "no, the other David, no, not him, the other other one". Other than mocking other cultures I honestly don't see the advantage of normalizing Biblical/Anglo names and looking down on any others. Although I do always have a chuckle when I hear the name Mitt Romney. What's that short for? Mitthew?


His first name is Willard. His middle name is Mitt.

Willard? Is that supposed to be long for Will? Which would be short for William? Is this a riddle?
I'm gonna name my son Goat. It'll be short for Billy Goat which is long for Bill which is a name of a lot of Williams go by. Although I'll call him Kid when he's a child, it'll be a few years before I call him Goat.


Make sure you name your daughter "whatisthisasheep" then.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Simberto
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany11923 Posts
September 18 2015 02:11 GMT
#6868
On September 18 2015 11:06 Epishade wrote:
I decide to be lazy one day and send my robot down to the store to pick me up some groceries. On the way there, my robot bumps into a little kid and pushes him into traffic, causing the child serious injury. Who is liable for this injury? The robot is property and afaik you can't sue property. And I had no reasonable assumption that my robot would cause injury on the way to pick up groceries. Assume the robot had very basic ai, enough to pick up groceries and do my laundry, but not really much else.


Congratulations, you have identified the main problem with self-driving cars. The fact that there is no clear regulation for this case is the only reason why they are not on the streets yet, they are already saver than human drivers (which is really not hard) as far as i know.
Tephus
Profile Joined May 2011
Cascadia1754 Posts
September 18 2015 02:12 GMT
#6869
On September 18 2015 11:06 Epishade wrote:
I decide to be lazy one day and send my robot down to the store to pick me up some groceries. On the way there, my robot bumps into a little kid and pushes him into traffic, causing the child serious injury. Who is liable for this injury? The robot is property and afaik you can't sue property. And I had no reasonable assumption that my robot would cause injury on the way to pick up groceries. Assume the robot had very basic ai, enough to pick up groceries and do my laundry, but not really much else.

I think you need to define 'AI' here.

If you are imagining into existance some sort of ai that can truly make decisions, then it is liable, otherwise whoever designed it to do that is liable, in my opinion.

This is really not a simple question, as what you are describing doesn't exist, and so you quickly will get into discussions on free will other philosophies to try and bring it into something more of a 'real' situation.
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DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46212 Posts
September 18 2015 02:14 GMT
#6870
On September 18 2015 11:11 Simberto wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 11:06 Epishade wrote:
I decide to be lazy one day and send my robot down to the store to pick me up some groceries. On the way there, my robot bumps into a little kid and pushes him into traffic, causing the child serious injury. Who is liable for this injury? The robot is property and afaik you can't sue property. And I had no reasonable assumption that my robot would cause injury on the way to pick up groceries. Assume the robot had very basic ai, enough to pick up groceries and do my laundry, but not really much else.


Congratulations, you have identified the main problem with self-driving cars. The fact that there is no clear regulation for this case is the only reason why they are not on the streets yet, they are already saver than human drivers (which is really not hard) as far as i know.


The manufacturer, because it's faulty technology. It's just like how cars get recalled because there are issues, right? It's not like it's your fault for personally programming the robot to run into kids instead of not running into kids.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
September 18 2015 02:19 GMT
#6871
On September 18 2015 10:36 KwarK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 10:32 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
On September 18 2015 10:31 KwarK wrote:
There were three Davids in my class at school. And it's just as arbitrary as any other sound that we've decided is a name so more variance is a good thing, if only so we don't end up playing "no, the other David, no, not him, the other other one". Other than mocking other cultures I honestly don't see the advantage of normalizing Biblical/Anglo names and looking down on any others. Although I do always have a chuckle when I hear the name Mitt Romney. What's that short for? Mitthew?


His first name is Willard. His middle name is Mitt.

Willard? Is that supposed to be long for Will? Which would be short for William? Is this a riddle?
I'm gonna name my son Goat. It'll be short for Billy Goat which is long for Bill which is a name of a lot of Williams go by. Although I'll call him Kid when he's a child, it'll be a few years before I call him Goat.

Not quite sure where Willard came from, but there is a Tyrell called Willard in the ASoIaF books. Then again, there is also a Tyrell called Mace, and one called Loras, and there are another 100 weird names in the book. However, if Mitt Romney´s parents got his name from the same source GRRM did, then it makes perfect sense!
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
September 18 2015 02:21 GMT
#6872
On September 18 2015 11:06 Epishade wrote:
I decide to be lazy one day and send my robot down to the store to pick me up some groceries. On the way there, my robot bumps into a little kid and pushes him into traffic, causing the child serious injury. Who is liable for this injury? The robot is property and afaik you can't sue property. And I had no reasonable assumption that my robot would cause injury on the way to pick up groceries. Assume the robot had very basic ai, enough to pick up groceries and do my laundry, but not really much else.

More important, if you´re in the US, does this robot have second amendment rights and could you send him out to by groceries armed with an AK47?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
September 18 2015 03:24 GMT
#6873
On September 18 2015 11:12 Tephus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 11:06 Epishade wrote:
I decide to be lazy one day and send my robot down to the store to pick me up some groceries. On the way there, my robot bumps into a little kid and pushes him into traffic, causing the child serious injury. Who is liable for this injury? The robot is property and afaik you can't sue property. And I had no reasonable assumption that my robot would cause injury on the way to pick up groceries. Assume the robot had very basic ai, enough to pick up groceries and do my laundry, but not really much else.

I think you need to define 'AI' here.

If you are imagining into existance some sort of ai that can truly make decisions, then it is liable, otherwise whoever designed it to do that is liable, in my opinion.

This is really not a simple question, as what you are describing doesn't exist, and so you quickly will get into discussions on free will other philosophies to try and bring it into something more of a 'real' situation.


I will attempt to make this into as 'real' a scenario as a hypothetical can get.

Pretend I have modified a rhoomba in such a way that it is able to use the navigation technology pictured in the gif in my spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

only my modified rhoomba can drive itself down the street two blocks to a store. I have an arrangement with the owner to load up the large shopping basket I have welded to the top with groceries. On the way home from the store, my rhoomba is stepped on by a young boy who trips into the road and is killed by a car. Who is liable?
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
September 18 2015 04:44 GMT
#6874
On September 18 2015 12:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 11:12 Tephus wrote:
On September 18 2015 11:06 Epishade wrote:
I decide to be lazy one day and send my robot down to the store to pick me up some groceries. On the way there, my robot bumps into a little kid and pushes him into traffic, causing the child serious injury. Who is liable for this injury? The robot is property and afaik you can't sue property. And I had no reasonable assumption that my robot would cause injury on the way to pick up groceries. Assume the robot had very basic ai, enough to pick up groceries and do my laundry, but not really much else.

I think you need to define 'AI' here.

If you are imagining into existance some sort of ai that can truly make decisions, then it is liable, otherwise whoever designed it to do that is liable, in my opinion.

This is really not a simple question, as what you are describing doesn't exist, and so you quickly will get into discussions on free will other philosophies to try and bring it into something more of a 'real' situation.


I will attempt to make this into as 'real' a scenario as a hypothetical can get.

Pretend I have modified a rhoomba in such a way that it is able to use the navigation technology pictured in the gif in my spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

only my modified rhoomba can drive itself down the street two blocks to a store. I have an arrangement with the owner to load up the large shopping basket I have welded to the top with groceries. On the way home from the store, my rhoomba is stepped on by a young boy who trips into the road and is killed by a car. Who is liable?


if you replaced roomba with yourself sleeping on the sidewalk you still wouldn't be liable for a kid tripping into a car.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 18 2015 05:26 GMT
#6875
Is the story of Cain and Abel a forgery of Seth an Osiris? If so, isn't the story of Isis giving a virgin birth to Horus the basis for the story of Mary giving a virgin birth to Jesus?
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46212 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-18 10:05:52
September 18 2015 10:04 GMT
#6876
On September 18 2015 14:26 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Is the story of Cain and Abel a forgery of Seth an Osiris? If so, isn't the story of Isis giving a virgin birth to Horus the basis for the story of Mary giving a virgin birth to Jesus?


Very similar, including the fact that there's a death and resurrection. These kinds of stories long predate Christianity, where you can substitute "Jesus" with a bunch of other earlier Messiahs/ Gods.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
September 18 2015 12:49 GMT
#6877
On September 18 2015 14:26 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Is the story of Cain and Abel a forgery of Seth an Osiris? If so, isn't the story of Isis giving a virgin birth to Horus the basis for the story of Mary giving a virgin birth to Jesus?

Go and read Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9319 Posts
September 18 2015 12:55 GMT
#6878
On September 18 2015 12:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 11:12 Tephus wrote:
On September 18 2015 11:06 Epishade wrote:
I decide to be lazy one day and send my robot down to the store to pick me up some groceries. On the way there, my robot bumps into a little kid and pushes him into traffic, causing the child serious injury. Who is liable for this injury? The robot is property and afaik you can't sue property. And I had no reasonable assumption that my robot would cause injury on the way to pick up groceries. Assume the robot had very basic ai, enough to pick up groceries and do my laundry, but not really much else.

I think you need to define 'AI' here.

If you are imagining into existance some sort of ai that can truly make decisions, then it is liable, otherwise whoever designed it to do that is liable, in my opinion.

This is really not a simple question, as what you are describing doesn't exist, and so you quickly will get into discussions on free will other philosophies to try and bring it into something more of a 'real' situation.


I will attempt to make this into as 'real' a scenario as a hypothetical can get.

Pretend I have modified a rhoomba in such a way that it is able to use the navigation technology pictured in the gif in my spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

only my modified rhoomba can drive itself down the street two blocks to a store. I have an arrangement with the owner to load up the large shopping basket I have welded to the top with groceries. On the way home from the store, my rhoomba is stepped on by a young boy who trips into the road and is killed by a car. Who is liable?


It really depends on a lot of factors. Who modified your rhoomba? You, manufacturer or some third party? Is it big enough to be noticed by an average Joe on a sidewalk? Who was responsible for that boy at that moment and why didn't that person intervene?
You're now breathing manually
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States44190 Posts
September 18 2015 13:08 GMT
#6879
On September 18 2015 21:55 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 12:24 Fecalfeast wrote:
On September 18 2015 11:12 Tephus wrote:
On September 18 2015 11:06 Epishade wrote:
I decide to be lazy one day and send my robot down to the store to pick me up some groceries. On the way there, my robot bumps into a little kid and pushes him into traffic, causing the child serious injury. Who is liable for this injury? The robot is property and afaik you can't sue property. And I had no reasonable assumption that my robot would cause injury on the way to pick up groceries. Assume the robot had very basic ai, enough to pick up groceries and do my laundry, but not really much else.

I think you need to define 'AI' here.

If you are imagining into existance some sort of ai that can truly make decisions, then it is liable, otherwise whoever designed it to do that is liable, in my opinion.

This is really not a simple question, as what you are describing doesn't exist, and so you quickly will get into discussions on free will other philosophies to try and bring it into something more of a 'real' situation.


I will attempt to make this into as 'real' a scenario as a hypothetical can get.

Pretend I have modified a rhoomba in such a way that it is able to use the navigation technology pictured in the gif in my spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +

[image loading]

only my modified rhoomba can drive itself down the street two blocks to a store. I have an arrangement with the owner to load up the large shopping basket I have welded to the top with groceries. On the way home from the store, my rhoomba is stepped on by a young boy who trips into the road and is killed by a car. Who is liable?


It really depends on a lot of factors. Who modified your rhoomba? You, manufacturer or some third party? Is it big enough to be noticed by an average Joe on a sidewalk? Who was responsible for that boy at that moment and why didn't that person intervene?

At that point we're getting into acts of God territory.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9319 Posts
September 18 2015 13:17 GMT
#6880
No I mean who's legally responsible. If he modified his robot then we can't blame the manufacturer. If it's not big enough to be noticed then we can blame the owner or the manufacturer because it's sort of dangerous for pedestrians. If the kid wasn't properly supervised we can blame his parent/babysitter. We can't sue God so he's safe this time.
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