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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 16 2015 14:41 GMT
#6841
Race, gender and sexual orientation have no impact on someone’s ability to a specific given task. They are also beyond the control of the person. Level of education and training can impact performance. It is also not a perfect metric, but one we use because rating someone’s viability as an employee is an imperfect system.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9319 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 14:44:52
September 16 2015 14:44 GMT
#6842
On September 16 2015 23:36 whatisthisasheep wrote:
In a world where its not legal discriminate against people based upon gender, skin color, sexual preference, etc. why it is perfectly legal to discriminate against a person based upon educational attainment, a diploma someone does or doesn't have, that was or wasent received form this or that school?
Isn't it just a intellectually sophisticated form of apartheid?


Because, at least partially, your education depends on your actions. You can't say that about your gender or sexual preference. Like, it wasn't my choice to be born a white male, but it was my choice to skip school and play video games.
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Djzapz
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada10681 Posts
September 16 2015 15:03 GMT
#6843
I'd say it's still bad to discriminate against people for their level of education in countries where the price of school is prohibitive. Where education is widely available, it just becomes snobbery more than discrimination. Depends what type of stuff ypu're thinking about though... Like I don't want someone who doesnt have their GED designing bridges.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 16 2015 15:09 GMT
#6844
There are plenty of success stories of people without college degrees out there. Adam Savage of Myth Busters has no official college degree and Jamie Hyneman degree in Russian linguistics, which he doesn't use. In general, a job that puts a huge amount of weight on your degree and where its from might not be the one you want. Within reason of course. No off the street brain surgeons or bankruptcy attorneys.
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TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
September 16 2015 15:24 GMT
#6845
On September 16 2015 23:41 Plansix wrote:
Race, gender and sexual orientation have no impact on someone’s ability to a specific given task.


False.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9319 Posts
September 16 2015 15:29 GMT
#6846
Shhhh, you're not allowed to say that
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18866 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 15:31:15
September 16 2015 15:30 GMT
#6847
Indeed, this board prohibits bigoted and sexist posting.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
September 16 2015 15:37 GMT
#6848
On September 17 2015 00:24 TMG26 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 16 2015 23:41 Plansix wrote:
Race, gender and sexual orientation have no impact on someone’s ability to a specific given task.


False.

If the task has specific metrics it can be measured by, then it can be tested. Even if being a women puts someone at a disadvantage in that test(say being a fire fighter) there are a set number of women that can meet the requirements. With that in mind, sex should not be the reasoning for denying someone the position, but their inability to perform the task.

Sorry if I didn’t clearly spell that out in the first post. I sort of brush over it because I feel its obvious that we are discussing decisions based “solely on sex/race/sexual orientation” disregarding other factors like performance.
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TMG26
Profile Joined July 2012
Portugal2017 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 15:46:43
September 16 2015 15:45 GMT
#6849
On September 17 2015 00:37 Plansix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 00:24 TMG26 wrote:
On September 16 2015 23:41 Plansix wrote:
Race, gender and sexual orientation have no impact on someone’s ability to a specific given task.


False.

If the task has specific metrics it can be measured by, then it can be tested. Even if being a women puts someone at a disadvantage in that test(say being a fire fighter) there are a set number of women that can meet the requirements. With that in mind, sex should not be the reasoning for denying someone the position, but their inability to perform the task.

Sorry if I didn’t clearly spell that out in the first post. I sort of brush over it because I feel its obvious that we are discussing decisions based “solely on sex/race/sexual orientation” disregarding other factors like performance.


True
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Dark_Chill
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada3353 Posts
September 16 2015 15:55 GMT
#6850
The easy reason is that employers or whatever need something to judge by. If you need five people but are getting 500 coming in for the job, then having some qualifications narrows it down.
If you're talking about in general, then there is some merit. Especially early education, a lot of material taught becomes the basis for how you view the world and go about problem solving.
Later years in education don't matter as much, since as knowledge becomes more specialized it's more difficult to judge someone based on their intelligence as predicted by level of education.
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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 16 2015 19:45 GMT
#6851
Are carseats a scam by the government to make money? in the UK all children under the age of 12 (or 4 foot 6 tall, whichever comes first) have to sit in a child's car seat. In america its 8 years old or until they weight 60 pounds. Car seats dont offer any more protection after the child is two years old so what gives?
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 19:48:13
September 16 2015 19:47 GMT
#6852
On September 17 2015 04:45 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Are carseats a scam by the government to make money? in the UK all children under the age of 12 (or 4 foot 6 tall, whichever comes first) have to sit in a child's car seat. In america its 8 years old or until they weight 60 pounds. Car seats dont offer any more protection after the child is two years old so what gives?

Proof or gtfo.
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-16 19:55:04
September 16 2015 19:53 GMT
#6853
On September 17 2015 04:47 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2015 04:45 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Are carseats a scam by the government to make money? in the UK all children under the age of 12 (or 4 foot 6 tall, whichever comes first) have to sit in a child's car seat. In america its 8 years old or until they weight 60 pounds. Car seats dont offer any more protection after the child is two years old so what gives?

Proof or gtfo.


Every child who is 1 year old and weighs 20 lbs. is allowed to ride in a front facing car seat (if only because they get too huge to fit rear-facing anymore) and at age 4 and 40 lbs they can graduate to a car booster seat until they turn 8 or until they are 4 ft. 9 inches tall. Endless studies show that carseats and booster seats are safer, safer, safer. But safer than what? And under what circumstances are they safer? Are parents even qualified to install the carseats they buy? Certified child passenger safety seat installers and Highway Patrol officers are required to complete a 4-day course on carseat installation. Do carseats and booster seats for children age 2 to 8 actually make your child safer or are you being bullied by carseat companies into spending $300,000,000 per year on complicated safety devices that have no more benefit than a properly used seatbelt? Is improved safety for small children through the use of carseats and booster seats a buckled down fact? Or is the sense that these seats provide more safety for your kids just a well marketed myth?


An Op. Ed. piece in the Wisconsin Badger Herald said, “Although it may seem inconvenient for parents to place their child in a car seat instead of just strapping them into a seat belt, it is better than placing them in a coffin.” Are those the options? Carseat or coffin? What if the U.S. Department of Transportation fatality data says “not so much” with the carseat or coffin analogy? What if a good old fashioned free seatbelt that comes ready-made with your car would not only save you money, but save your child? Aw, go on! That’s crazy talk!

How can you be sure that child safety seats are safer for children 2 and older than factory-installed lap and shoulder belts? Well, it’s obvious they are safer. They are big, fancy, expensive, and professionally designed to be safe. Plus, hundreds of industry sponsored studies prove that they are safer. But what does the data from the U.S. Department of Transportation, Fatal Analysis Reporting System (FARS) say about improved safety through safety seats? FARS reports data on all fatal traffic crashes occurring on public roads throughout the United States, D.C. and Puerto Rico. Their purpose is to provide an objective basis to evaluate the effectiveness of motor vehicle safety standards and highway safety programs. FARS data reveals that there has been no change in the safety rate of children in safety seats versus children in lap and shoulder belts in the period ranging from 1975 to 2003.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administratin (NHTSA) manual says that carseats are only “54 percent effective in reducing deaths for children ages 1 to 4 in passenger cars.” Well, that sounds like an impressive number! So children who ride in carseats are 54% safer if than if they used seatbelts? No. That’s 54% safer than riding completely unrestrained. According to the NHTSA, children who ride restrained in lap and shoulder strap seatbelts are equally protected from fatal injury as those restrained in a carseat.

Carseat companies will concede that these statistics are true regarding fatal injuries, but will insist that they are backed up by the NHTSA when they say, “yeah, but…” carseats are more effective at reducing serious injury during a crash than a lap and shoulder belt system.

Steven Levitt, author of “The Seatbelt Solution” written on July 10, 2008 for his New York Times blog “Freakonomics” faced enormous challenges trying to organize an independent crash test of 3 and 6-year-olds in both safety seats and lap and shoulder belt restraints. Testing companies refused to help him because they were afraid of jeopardizing their contracts with carseat companies. One agreed to perform the test anonymously. The results of that independent crash test demonstrated that 3 year olds fared better in a seatbelt than in a carseat. 6 year olds were the same in either kind of restraint.

But crash test dummies are not real children. They held up well for the purposes of Levitt’s test, but neither safety seat manufacturer tests nor Levitt’s test are able to simulate the most common injuries to children in car crashes. The most compelling reason for choosing to use a booster seat or car seat for children between the ages of 2 and 4 is that children are more comfortable if their knees bend at the edge of the seat. So, to get nice and comfy they often slide their bodies down the seat so their legs feel more comfortable. Their seatbelts are then positioned over their abdomens instead of over the tops of their thighs and in the event of a crash, their supple little bodies just slide right out through the bottom of the seatbelt. This effect is called submarining. Crash test dummies are currently not supple or articulated enough to provide test data on submarining, but because of accident reports we know it happens.

Booster seats help support children in a frame that is more ergonomic for their smaller body size. The seats provide for the natural bend in their legs. Comfy, secure, sold! Ah, but here’s the rub and it isn’t from the seatbelt. AAA reports that 4 out of 5 safety seats are installed incorrectly. Part of the problem is that safety seats are not a “one size fits all” solution. Not all seats fit well in all cars and not all children fit well in all seats.

Susan Ferguson, senior vice president of research at the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety says, “Your best bet is to take the child, the booster and the vehicle and test all three” at the same time. So there you are, a mom and her child going into Toys R Us, purchasing one car seat, taking it to the car, installing it, strapping the child into it, driving around the parking lot, taking the child out of it, uninstalling the seat, standing in line at the returns counter and returning the seat, purchasing a new seat… repeat… repeat… until sunset and the store locks you out.

Also, once you find the seat that fits both your car and your child. Don’t think you have won the war. Kids bodies grow and change very quickly. Lorrie Walker, chief training manager for National Safe Kids, said, “Parents really need to assess the child every few months in the safety seat and in the different vehicles he or she travels in”. So, in addition to possibly buying a new seat every few months, you want to make sure that the seat is installed correctly. Yes, you can take it down to the local Highway Patrol and ask for their help, but what about when this happens:
• Your child spills a drink all over himself and the seat. You take it out and hose it down. Reinstall seat.
• You lend the seat to the babysitter so she can take the kid to the beach. Reinstall seat in babysitter’s car. Reinstall seat in your car.
• Your husband comes home with a new gift wrapped minivan to replace the small economy junker you’ve been driving. The carseat comes out of the small car and goes right into the big car.

https://mommymythbuster.wordpress.com/2008/11/23/myth-21-carseats-are-safer-than-seatbelts-for-2-and-over/
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
September 16 2015 19:59 GMT
#6854
Sounds convincing to me. So, well done, you answered your own question!
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 16 2015 21:40 GMT
#6855
On September 16 2015 23:36 whatisthisasheep wrote:
In a world where its not legal discriminate against people based upon gender, skin color, sexual preference, etc. why it is perfectly legal to discriminate against a person based upon educational attainment, a diploma someone does or doesn't have, that was or wasent received form this or that school?
Isn't it just a intellectually sophisticated form of apartheid?

Read the first point of the Human Rights Declaration. Your eyes shall then open up. (obviously we assume that diplomas are gained purely based on meritocracy and not on money, relationships, etc, which is false, but well)
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fluidrone
Profile Blog Joined January 2015
France1478 Posts
September 17 2015 07:48 GMT
#6856
People who do the work. .. and people who selfishly try to cheat and get their work done by others, there is no other way to judge an "employee".

Most of the time our companies are not meritocracies, people who do the job can be well paid or well "regarded", but their vital-ness make them liabilities more than assets in today's marketplace.

How vital/appreciated/remunerated your applied expertise is to your "current and prospect" employer, and that is not taught in school.

#freelance rules!
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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
September 17 2015 19:33 GMT
#6857
Why do parents these days choose to give their kids such obscure names?

Over the last last year, I met some young adults around 18-20 years old named Anoop, Chaile, Jubilation, Throat, and my personal favorite, Deterson. What the actual fuck is going on?
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 17 2015 21:47 GMT
#6858
On September 18 2015 04:33 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Why do parents these days choose to give their kids such obscure names?

Over the last last year, I met some young adults around 18-20 years old named Anoop, Chaile, Jubilation, Throat, and my personal favorite, Deterson. What the actual fuck is going on?

I think it's merely a consequence of increased individualism ; parents want to differentiate their child from the others, to make him/her more unique than he/she already is (which is absurdness pushed to its extreme, but well).

Another idea behind it is the fact that many successful people have "strange" names, and these strange names are supposed to make the child stronger as he'll grow up facing adversity and mockery (I dunno if this has been scientifically studied, I just remember reading an article about it in the French newspaper Le Monde, so feel free to brush that part away).

Note that ironically, the more people will give their children unusual names, the less it will be unusual for a child to have an unusual name, thus rendering the two reasons - and especially the second one - I gave above partially void.
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18366 Posts
September 17 2015 22:09 GMT
#6859
On September 18 2015 06:47 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2015 04:33 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Why do parents these days choose to give their kids such obscure names?

Over the last last year, I met some young adults around 18-20 years old named Anoop, Chaile, Jubilation, Throat, and my personal favorite, Deterson. What the actual fuck is going on?

I think it's merely a consequence of increased individualism ; parents want to differentiate their child from the others, to make him/her more unique than he/she already is (which is absurdness pushed to its extreme, but well).

Another idea behind it is the fact that many successful people have "strange" names, and these strange names are supposed to make the child stronger as he'll grow up facing adversity and mockery (I dunno if this has been scientifically studied, I just remember reading an article about it in the French newspaper Le Monde, so feel free to brush that part away).

Note that ironically, the more people will give their children unusual names, the less it will be unusual for a child to have an unusual name, thus rendering the two reasons - and especially the second one - I gave above partially void.

If the second one is truly the reason, then the parents are retarded. Also, why not just go all out and call your child Turdface Wethispants.
Sent.
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Poland9319 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-17 22:14:25
September 17 2015 22:11 GMT
#6860
Parents understandably feel like their kids are special and stupid parents think that their special kids "deserve" special names. Different used to mean "worse", now it means "better".
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