On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?
That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.
It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.
Legitimate question: in what way is manual ultimately superior?
More control over what gear you're in dependent on factors beyond mere RPM. Any serious driver uses manual.
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?
That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.
It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.
I'm always so confused when people suggest that manuals are "superior" when they provide the exact same service to the 99% of the population that use cars.
They say that because of the 1%, among which way more than that count themselves.
Like BW. For the average fuck, SC2 is a much better game.
F1 uses semi-automatic, and they would use automatic if it wasn't banned in the regulations, so you are wrong (unless F1 isn't serious driving/racing).
Maybe 20 years ago when the technology simply wasn't there. Nowadays, the people who honestly try to claim benefits to manual are the same people that shave with those blades. Even calling it more fun is kind of... meh to me. Like shifting a gear once you reach a certain RPM is fun driving for you? It's something I'd rather not focus on. If I'm rallying, I can stay in a higher gear into a turn or something, but outside of that, there is very little practicality to it for anyone with a newer car.
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?
That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.
It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.
Legitimate question: in what way is manual ultimately superior?
More control over what gear you're in dependent on factors beyond mere RPM. Any serious driver uses manual.
On June 21 2015 05:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?
That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.
It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.
I'm always so confused when people suggest that manuals are "superior" when they provide the exact same service to the 99% of the population that use cars.
They say that because of the 1%, among which way more than that count themselves.
Like BW. For the average fuck, SC2 is a much better game.
F1 uses semi-automatic, and they would use automatic if it wasn't banned in the regulations, so you are wrong (unless F1 isn't serious driving/racing).
Maybe 20 years ago when the technology simply wasn't there. Nowadays, the people who honestly try to claim benefits to manual are the same people that shave with those blades. Even calling it more fun is kind of... meh to me. Like shifting a gear once you reach a certain RPM is fun driving for you? It's something I'd rather not focus on. If I'm rallying, I can stay in a higher gear into a turn or something, but outside of that, there is very little practicality to it for anyone with a newer car.
Thing is... By the same argument we could all drive around in smarts or other small cars that don't consume much... Yet, look at what kinda car peoples buy.
"FUN" is an important part of driving, next to no one is really rational when he decides on which car to buy.
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?
That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.
It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.
Legitimate question: in what way is manual ultimately superior?
More control over what gear you're in dependent on factors beyond mere RPM. Any serious driver uses manual.
On June 21 2015 05:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?
That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.
It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.
I'm always so confused when people suggest that manuals are "superior" when they provide the exact same service to the 99% of the population that use cars.
They say that because of the 1%, among which way more than that count themselves.
Like BW. For the average fuck, SC2 is a much better game.
F1 uses semi-automatic, and they would use automatic if it wasn't banned in the regulations, so you are wrong (unless F1 isn't serious driving/racing).
Maybe 20 years ago when the technology simply wasn't there. Nowadays, the people who honestly try to claim benefits to manual are the same people that shave with those blades. Even calling it more fun is kind of... meh to me. Like shifting a gear once you reach a certain RPM is fun driving for you? It's something I'd rather not focus on. If I'm rallying, I can stay in a higher gear into a turn or something, but outside of that, there is very little practicality to it for anyone with a newer car.
Thing is... By the same argument we could all drive around in smarts or other small cars that don't consume much... Yet, look at what kinda car peoples buy.
"FUN" is an important part of driving, next to no one is really rational when he decides on which car to buy.
Uh? There is much more than "fun" that goes into buying a car, there is also showing your place in the social hierarchy and having a car adequate to your needs (you won't buy a Smart if you have to drive 1 hour to work every day... Just like you won't buy a minivan if your family is only comprised of wife + single kid). If fun was so important, we'd see a lot more ligthweight, fun to drive cars (ala Mini Cooper S or Fiat 500 Abarth) on our roads. However, as far as manual/automatic transmission is concerned, I fail to see how one of those would allow you to show off your place in society, and automatic is surely more adapted to the needs of like 90%+ of the people having cars in Europe.
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?
That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.
It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.
Legitimate question: in what way is manual ultimately superior?
More control over what gear you're in dependent on factors beyond mere RPM. Any serious driver uses manual.
On June 21 2015 05:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?
That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.
It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.
I'm always so confused when people suggest that manuals are "superior" when they provide the exact same service to the 99% of the population that use cars.
They say that because of the 1%, among which way more than that count themselves.
Like BW. For the average fuck, SC2 is a much better game.
F1 uses semi-automatic, and they would use automatic if it wasn't banned in the regulations, so you are wrong (unless F1 isn't serious driving/racing).
Maybe 20 years ago when the technology simply wasn't there. Nowadays, the people who honestly try to claim benefits to manual are the same people that shave with those blades. Even calling it more fun is kind of... meh to me. Like shifting a gear once you reach a certain RPM is fun driving for you? It's something I'd rather not focus on. If I'm rallying, I can stay in a higher gear into a turn or something, but outside of that, there is very little practicality to it for anyone with a newer car.
Thing is... By the same argument we could all drive around in smarts or other small cars that don't consume much... Yet, look at what kinda car peoples buy.
"FUN" is an important part of driving, next to no one is really rational when he decides on which car to buy.
Uh? There is much more than "fun" that goes into buying a car, there is also showing your place in the social hierarchy and having a car adequate to your needs (you won't buy a Smart if you have to drive 1 hour to work every day... Just like you won't buy a minivan if your family is only comprised of wife + single kid). If fun was so important, we'd see a lot more ligthweight, fun to drive cars (ala Mini Cooper S or Fiat 500 Abarth) on our roads. However, as far as manual/automatic transmission is concerned, I fail to see how one of those would allow you to show off your place in society, and automatic is surely more adapted to the needs of like 90%+ of the people having cars in Europe.
Ive got 2 cars. One is overpowered, thirsty and impractical... I drive it everyday during the summer. The other is an old trashcan Renault Clio 1.7l that once upon a time probably was bordeaux red (~mid nineties Basic model, no Sport or anything)... I drive it in Winter or for Long trips (because its a bitch to get spare parts for my other car).
Honestly, the Clio is more than enough for everything you'll ever need. It has no Problems going 140 kmh, it can climb mountains, it has air conditioning and the seats are allright. I've driven it for 8 hours straight and its just an all around decent car. Now... Why do i still, as soon as spring hits change my car back? Because the other is plain more fun.
In Switzerland the sport/performance versions of cars actually sell better than the "very" basic versions. You see loads of Cooper S, Clio Sports, Golf GTI, Abarths and so on... After having driven my moms "standard" Mini i know why, that thing is just horrible and feels slower/weaker than my 10 years older, also non Performance, Clio. Is the Mini enough for everyday driving? For sure, would most People want to drive it? Nope.
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?
That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.
It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.
Legitimate question: in what way is manual ultimately superior?
More control over what gear you're in dependent on factors beyond mere RPM. Any serious driver uses manual.
On June 21 2015 05:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?
That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.
It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.
I'm always so confused when people suggest that manuals are "superior" when they provide the exact same service to the 99% of the population that use cars.
They say that because of the 1%, among which way more than that count themselves.
Like BW. For the average fuck, SC2 is a much better game.
F1 uses semi-automatic, and they would use automatic if it wasn't banned in the regulations, so you are wrong (unless F1 isn't serious driving/racing).
Maybe 20 years ago when the technology simply wasn't there. Nowadays, the people who honestly try to claim benefits to manual are the same people that shave with those blades. Even calling it more fun is kind of... meh to me. Like shifting a gear once you reach a certain RPM is fun driving for you? It's something I'd rather not focus on. If I'm rallying, I can stay in a higher gear into a turn or something, but outside of that, there is very little practicality to it for anyone with a newer car.
Thing is... By the same argument we could all drive around in smarts or other small cars that don't consume much... Yet, look at what kinda car peoples buy.
"FUN" is an important part of driving, next to no one is really rational when he decides on which car to buy.
Uh? There is much more than "fun" that goes into buying a car, there is also showing your place in the social hierarchy and having a car adequate to your needs (you won't buy a Smart if you have to drive 1 hour to work every day... Just like you won't buy a minivan if your family is only comprised of wife + single kid). If fun was so important, we'd see a lot more ligthweight, fun to drive cars (ala Mini Cooper S or Fiat 500 Abarth) on our roads. However, as far as manual/automatic transmission is concerned, I fail to see how one of those would allow you to show off your place in society, and automatic is surely more adapted to the needs of like 90%+ of the people having cars in Europe.
Ive got 2 cars. One is overpowered, thirsty and impractical... I drive it everyday during the summer. The other is an old trashcan Renault Clio 1.7l that once upon a time probably was bordeaux red (~mid nineties Basic model, no Sport or anything)... I drive it in Winter or for Long trips (because its a bitch to get spare parts for my other car).
Honestly, the Clio is more than enough for everything you'll ever need. It has no Problems going 140 kmh, it can climb mountains, it has air conditioning and the seats are allright. I've driven it for 8 hours straight and its just an all around decent car. Now... Why do i still, as soon as spring hits change my car back? Because the other is plain more fun.
In Switzerland the sport/performance versions of cars actually sell better than the "very" basic versions. You see loads of Cooper S, Clio Sports, Golf GTI, Abarths and so on... After having driven my moms "standard" Mini i know why, that thing is just horrible and feels slower/weaker than my 10 years older, also non Performance, Clio. Is the Mini enough for everyday driving? For sure, would most People want to drive it? Nope.
Another reason is that with manual transmission you can control rpm better and therefore consume less gas - like I do when I drive just above 1000 rpm and people behind me rage xD
On June 24 2015 05:05 whatisthisasheep wrote: Is being a hypocrite essential to becoming a successful politician?
Yes, and it's even essential to becoming successful in general
It certainly doesn't hurt. It's a tight rope between blowing the right kind of smoke up the right people's ass and not completely losing yourself.
Always makes me think of a quote I first saw on XKCD
"I never trust anyone who is more excited about success than about doing the thing they want to be successful as "
Be a bit careful with causation vs correlation here.
I rate it less about that, and more be mindful of people that are more than willing to step on others constantly for their own personal gain in a work setting.
On June 24 2015 21:31 ThomasjServo wrote: I rate it less about that, and more be mindful of people that are more than willing to step on others constantly for their own personal gain in a work setting.
Yes it is. We had a famous guy over here called Roy Castle, who started his life off as a musician, played trumpet in jazz clubs as I recall, went on to host Record Breakers.. Anyhoo, he died of lung cancer, but never smoked a cigarette, his death was attributed to playing in jazz clubs with their smoky atmosphere.
On June 24 2015 23:27 fruity. wrote: Yes it is. We had a famous guy over here called Roy Castle, who started his life off as a musician, played trumpet in jazz clubs as I recall, went on to host Record Breakers.. Anyhoo, he died of lung cancer, but never smoked a cigarette, his death was attributed to playing in jazz clubs with their smoky atmosphere.
That's second-hand smoke, and the reason that smoking is banned in indoor public spaces in most of the world. I have no clue wtf third-hand smoke is, and am at work so can't see the video.
On June 24 2015 23:27 fruity. wrote: Yes it is. We had a famous guy over here called Roy Castle, who started his life off as a musician, played trumpet in jazz clubs as I recall, went on to host Record Breakers.. Anyhoo, he died of lung cancer, but never smoked a cigarette, his death was attributed to playing in jazz clubs with their smoky atmosphere.
That's second-hand smoke, and the reason that smoking is banned in indoor public spaces in most of the world. I have no clue wtf third-hand smoke is, and am at work so can't see the video.
1st hand smoking: You puff the cigarette 2nd hand smoking: your friend puffs the cigarette 3rd hand smoking: your friend puts out his cigarette before meeting you--but the entrails of his smoke is still on his shirt, his breath, his car, his living room, etc...
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Well done.
