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FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-23 18:51:39
June 23 2015 18:48 GMT
#5861
On June 21 2015 05:47 Yoav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2015 05:39 Coppermantis wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?

That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.


It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.


Legitimate question: in what way is manual ultimately superior?


More control over what gear you're in dependent on factors beyond mere RPM. Any serious driver uses manual.

Show nested quote +
On June 21 2015 05:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?

That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.


It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.


I'm always so confused when people suggest that manuals are "superior" when they provide the exact same service to the 99% of the population that use cars.


They say that because of the 1%, among which way more than that count themselves.

Like BW. For the average fuck, SC2 is a much better game.


F1 uses semi-automatic, and they would use automatic if it wasn't banned in the regulations, so you are wrong (unless F1 isn't serious driving/racing).

Maybe 20 years ago when the technology simply wasn't there. Nowadays, the people who honestly try to claim benefits to manual are the same people that shave with those blades. Even calling it more fun is kind of... meh to me. Like shifting a gear once you reach a certain RPM is fun driving for you? It's something I'd rather not focus on. If I'm rallying, I can stay in a higher gear into a turn or something, but outside of that, there is very little practicality to it for anyone with a newer car.
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Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 23 2015 18:57 GMT
#5862
I right click minerals in Broodwar and that's the only true way to macro. Same with gear shifting.
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10882 Posts
June 23 2015 19:05 GMT
#5863
On June 24 2015 03:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 21 2015 05:47 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:39 Coppermantis wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?

That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.


It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.


Legitimate question: in what way is manual ultimately superior?


More control over what gear you're in dependent on factors beyond mere RPM. Any serious driver uses manual.

On June 21 2015 05:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?

That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.


It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.


I'm always so confused when people suggest that manuals are "superior" when they provide the exact same service to the 99% of the population that use cars.


They say that because of the 1%, among which way more than that count themselves.

Like BW. For the average fuck, SC2 is a much better game.


F1 uses semi-automatic, and they would use automatic if it wasn't banned in the regulations, so you are wrong (unless F1 isn't serious driving/racing).

Maybe 20 years ago when the technology simply wasn't there. Nowadays, the people who honestly try to claim benefits to manual are the same people that shave with those blades. Even calling it more fun is kind of... meh to me. Like shifting a gear once you reach a certain RPM is fun driving for you? It's something I'd rather not focus on. If I'm rallying, I can stay in a higher gear into a turn or something, but outside of that, there is very little practicality to it for anyone with a newer car.



Thing is... By the same argument we could all drive around in smarts or other small cars that don't consume much... Yet, look at what kinda car peoples buy.

"FUN" is an important part of driving, next to no one is really rational when he decides on which car to buy.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
June 23 2015 19:39 GMT
#5864
On June 24 2015 04:05 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2015 03:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:47 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:39 Coppermantis wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?

That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.


It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.


Legitimate question: in what way is manual ultimately superior?


More control over what gear you're in dependent on factors beyond mere RPM. Any serious driver uses manual.

On June 21 2015 05:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?

That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.


It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.


I'm always so confused when people suggest that manuals are "superior" when they provide the exact same service to the 99% of the population that use cars.


They say that because of the 1%, among which way more than that count themselves.

Like BW. For the average fuck, SC2 is a much better game.


F1 uses semi-automatic, and they would use automatic if it wasn't banned in the regulations, so you are wrong (unless F1 isn't serious driving/racing).

Maybe 20 years ago when the technology simply wasn't there. Nowadays, the people who honestly try to claim benefits to manual are the same people that shave with those blades. Even calling it more fun is kind of... meh to me. Like shifting a gear once you reach a certain RPM is fun driving for you? It's something I'd rather not focus on. If I'm rallying, I can stay in a higher gear into a turn or something, but outside of that, there is very little practicality to it for anyone with a newer car.



Thing is... By the same argument we could all drive around in smarts or other small cars that don't consume much... Yet, look at what kinda car peoples buy.

"FUN" is an important part of driving, next to no one is really rational when he decides on which car to buy.

Uh? There is much more than "fun" that goes into buying a car, there is also showing your place in the social hierarchy and having a car adequate to your needs (you won't buy a Smart if you have to drive 1 hour to work every day... Just like you won't buy a minivan if your family is only comprised of wife + single kid). If fun was so important, we'd see a lot more ligthweight, fun to drive cars (ala Mini Cooper S or Fiat 500 Abarth) on our roads. However, as far as manual/automatic transmission is concerned, I fail to see how one of those would allow you to show off your place in society, and automatic is surely more adapted to the needs of like 90%+ of the people having cars in Europe.
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
June 23 2015 20:05 GMT
#5865
Is being a hypocrite essential to becoming a successful politician?
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
June 23 2015 20:09 GMT
#5866
No, but it sure as hell helps.
Ex Zerg learning Terran. A bold move.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
June 23 2015 21:07 GMT
#5867
On June 24 2015 05:05 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Is being a hypocrite essential to becoming a successful politician?

Yes, and it's even essential to becoming successful in general
Used Sigs - New Sigs - Cheap Sigs - Buy the Best Cheap Sig near You at www.cheapsigforsale.com
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 23 2015 21:13 GMT
#5868
On June 24 2015 06:07 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2015 05:05 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Is being a hypocrite essential to becoming a successful politician?

Yes, and it's even essential to becoming successful in general

It certainly doesn't hurt. It's a tight rope between blowing the right kind of smoke up the right people's ass and not completely losing yourself.


Always makes me think of a quote I first saw on XKCD

"I never trust anyone who is more excited about success than about doing the thing they want to be successful as "
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 24 2015 03:42 GMT
#5869
On June 24 2015 06:13 ThomasjServo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2015 06:07 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 24 2015 05:05 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Is being a hypocrite essential to becoming a successful politician?

Yes, and it's even essential to becoming successful in general

It certainly doesn't hurt. It's a tight rope between blowing the right kind of smoke up the right people's ass and not completely losing yourself.


Always makes me think of a quote I first saw on XKCD

"I never trust anyone who is more excited about success than about doing the thing they want to be successful as "

Be a bit careful with causation vs correlation here.
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10882 Posts
June 24 2015 07:26 GMT
#5870
On June 24 2015 04:39 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2015 04:05 Velr wrote:
On June 24 2015 03:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:47 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:39 Coppermantis wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?

That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.


It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.


Legitimate question: in what way is manual ultimately superior?


More control over what gear you're in dependent on factors beyond mere RPM. Any serious driver uses manual.

On June 21 2015 05:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?

That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.


It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.


I'm always so confused when people suggest that manuals are "superior" when they provide the exact same service to the 99% of the population that use cars.


They say that because of the 1%, among which way more than that count themselves.

Like BW. For the average fuck, SC2 is a much better game.


F1 uses semi-automatic, and they would use automatic if it wasn't banned in the regulations, so you are wrong (unless F1 isn't serious driving/racing).

Maybe 20 years ago when the technology simply wasn't there. Nowadays, the people who honestly try to claim benefits to manual are the same people that shave with those blades. Even calling it more fun is kind of... meh to me. Like shifting a gear once you reach a certain RPM is fun driving for you? It's something I'd rather not focus on. If I'm rallying, I can stay in a higher gear into a turn or something, but outside of that, there is very little practicality to it for anyone with a newer car.



Thing is... By the same argument we could all drive around in smarts or other small cars that don't consume much... Yet, look at what kinda car peoples buy.

"FUN" is an important part of driving, next to no one is really rational when he decides on which car to buy.

Uh? There is much more than "fun" that goes into buying a car, there is also showing your place in the social hierarchy and having a car adequate to your needs (you won't buy a Smart if you have to drive 1 hour to work every day... Just like you won't buy a minivan if your family is only comprised of wife + single kid). If fun was so important, we'd see a lot more ligthweight, fun to drive cars (ala Mini Cooper S or Fiat 500 Abarth) on our roads. However, as far as manual/automatic transmission is concerned, I fail to see how one of those would allow you to show off your place in society, and automatic is surely more adapted to the needs of like 90%+ of the people having cars in Europe.



Ive got 2 cars.
One is overpowered, thirsty and impractical... I drive it everyday during the summer.
The other is an old trashcan Renault Clio 1.7l that once upon a time probably was bordeaux red (~mid nineties Basic model, no Sport or anything)... I drive it in Winter or for Long trips (because its a bitch to get spare parts for my other car).

Honestly, the Clio is more than enough for everything you'll ever need. It has no Problems going 140 kmh, it can climb mountains, it has air conditioning and the seats are allright. I've driven it for 8 hours straight and its just an all around decent car. Now... Why do i still, as soon as spring hits change my car back? Because the other is plain more fun.

In Switzerland the sport/performance versions of cars actually sell better than the "very" basic versions. You see loads of Cooper S, Clio Sports, Golf GTI, Abarths and so on... After having driven my moms "standard" Mini i know why, that thing is just horrible and feels slower/weaker than my 10 years older, also non Performance, Clio. Is the Mini enough for everyday driving? For sure, would most People want to drive it? Nope.
oGoZenob
Profile Joined December 2011
France1503 Posts
June 24 2015 10:41 GMT
#5871
On June 24 2015 16:26 Velr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2015 04:39 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 24 2015 04:05 Velr wrote:
On June 24 2015 03:48 FiWiFaKi wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:47 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:39 Coppermantis wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?

That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.


It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.


Legitimate question: in what way is manual ultimately superior?


More control over what gear you're in dependent on factors beyond mere RPM. Any serious driver uses manual.

On June 21 2015 05:46 Thieving Magpie wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote:
On June 21 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions?

That's an interesting question. Having drove both I know that I prefer automatic transmissions, it's just so much smoother, and I don't understand why there are so few of them in France, but I can guess one of the reasons why. Logically, not having many automatics on the roads means that few people are willing to buy them ; thus an automatic will be harder to sell used than a manual car, which in turn prevents people from buying automatics brand new because they fear they won't sell it at a decent price. That's only one of the visible consequences of something else that is the root of why there aren't many automatics here though, and I don't know what is this root.


It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior.


I'm always so confused when people suggest that manuals are "superior" when they provide the exact same service to the 99% of the population that use cars.


They say that because of the 1%, among which way more than that count themselves.

Like BW. For the average fuck, SC2 is a much better game.


F1 uses semi-automatic, and they would use automatic if it wasn't banned in the regulations, so you are wrong (unless F1 isn't serious driving/racing).

Maybe 20 years ago when the technology simply wasn't there. Nowadays, the people who honestly try to claim benefits to manual are the same people that shave with those blades. Even calling it more fun is kind of... meh to me. Like shifting a gear once you reach a certain RPM is fun driving for you? It's something I'd rather not focus on. If I'm rallying, I can stay in a higher gear into a turn or something, but outside of that, there is very little practicality to it for anyone with a newer car.



Thing is... By the same argument we could all drive around in smarts or other small cars that don't consume much... Yet, look at what kinda car peoples buy.

"FUN" is an important part of driving, next to no one is really rational when he decides on which car to buy.

Uh? There is much more than "fun" that goes into buying a car, there is also showing your place in the social hierarchy and having a car adequate to your needs (you won't buy a Smart if you have to drive 1 hour to work every day... Just like you won't buy a minivan if your family is only comprised of wife + single kid). If fun was so important, we'd see a lot more ligthweight, fun to drive cars (ala Mini Cooper S or Fiat 500 Abarth) on our roads. However, as far as manual/automatic transmission is concerned, I fail to see how one of those would allow you to show off your place in society, and automatic is surely more adapted to the needs of like 90%+ of the people having cars in Europe.



Ive got 2 cars.
One is overpowered, thirsty and impractical... I drive it everyday during the summer.
The other is an old trashcan Renault Clio 1.7l that once upon a time probably was bordeaux red (~mid nineties Basic model, no Sport or anything)... I drive it in Winter or for Long trips (because its a bitch to get spare parts for my other car).

Honestly, the Clio is more than enough for everything you'll ever need. It has no Problems going 140 kmh, it can climb mountains, it has air conditioning and the seats are allright. I've driven it for 8 hours straight and its just an all around decent car. Now... Why do i still, as soon as spring hits change my car back? Because the other is plain more fun.

In Switzerland the sport/performance versions of cars actually sell better than the "very" basic versions. You see loads of Cooper S, Clio Sports, Golf GTI, Abarths and so on... After having driven my moms "standard" Mini i know why, that thing is just horrible and feels slower/weaker than my 10 years older, also non Performance, Clio. Is the Mini enough for everyday driving? For sure, would most People want to drive it? Nope.

*secret fistbump of Clio owners*
I like starcraft
Velr
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Switzerland10882 Posts
June 24 2015 11:44 GMT
#5872
Clio Sport are truely awesome, affordable and fun cars :D.

A friend of mine has one of these rather rare beatuies (RENAULT Clio 2.0 16V Williams) :
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So much fun :D
Cascade
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Australia5405 Posts
June 24 2015 11:54 GMT
#5873
hehe, with the typical swiss background. Well done.
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
June 24 2015 12:17 GMT
#5874
Another reason is that with manual transmission you can control rpm better and therefore consume less gas - like I do when I drive just above 1000 rpm and people behind me rage xD
Dating thread on TL LUL
ThomasjServo
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
15244 Posts
June 24 2015 12:31 GMT
#5875
On June 24 2015 12:42 Cascade wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2015 06:13 ThomasjServo wrote:
On June 24 2015 06:07 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 24 2015 05:05 whatisthisasheep wrote:
Is being a hypocrite essential to becoming a successful politician?

Yes, and it's even essential to becoming successful in general

It certainly doesn't hurt. It's a tight rope between blowing the right kind of smoke up the right people's ass and not completely losing yourself.


Always makes me think of a quote I first saw on XKCD

"I never trust anyone who is more excited about success than about doing the thing they want to be successful as "

Be a bit careful with causation vs correlation here.

I rate it less about that, and more be mindful of people that are more than willing to step on others constantly for their own personal gain in a work setting.
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
June 24 2015 13:00 GMT
#5876
On June 24 2015 21:31 ThomasjServo wrote:
I rate it less about that, and more be mindful of people that are more than willing to step on others constantly for their own personal gain in a work setting.


Sums up a majority of politicians well.

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whatisthisasheep
Profile Joined April 2015
624 Posts
June 24 2015 14:11 GMT
#5877
Is Third Hand Smoke a First Hand killer?
Please help me get in contact with the Pats organization because I'd love to personally deflate Tom's balls.
fruity.
Profile Joined April 2012
England1711 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-24 14:28:18
June 24 2015 14:27 GMT
#5878
Yes it is. We had a famous guy over here called Roy Castle, who started his life off as a musician, played trumpet in jazz clubs as I recall, went on to host Record Breakers.. Anyhoo, he died of lung cancer, but never smoked a cigarette, his death was attributed to playing in jazz clubs with their smoky atmosphere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Castle
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18286 Posts
June 24 2015 14:45 GMT
#5879
On June 24 2015 23:27 fruity. wrote:
Yes it is. We had a famous guy over here called Roy Castle, who started his life off as a musician, played trumpet in jazz clubs as I recall, went on to host Record Breakers.. Anyhoo, he died of lung cancer, but never smoked a cigarette, his death was attributed to playing in jazz clubs with their smoky atmosphere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Castle

That's second-hand smoke, and the reason that smoking is banned in indoor public spaces in most of the world. I have no clue wtf third-hand smoke is, and am at work so can't see the video.
Thieving Magpie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States6752 Posts
June 24 2015 15:02 GMT
#5880
On June 24 2015 23:45 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2015 23:27 fruity. wrote:
Yes it is. We had a famous guy over here called Roy Castle, who started his life off as a musician, played trumpet in jazz clubs as I recall, went on to host Record Breakers.. Anyhoo, he died of lung cancer, but never smoked a cigarette, his death was attributed to playing in jazz clubs with their smoky atmosphere.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Castle

That's second-hand smoke, and the reason that smoking is banned in indoor public spaces in most of the world. I have no clue wtf third-hand smoke is, and am at work so can't see the video.


1st hand smoking: You puff the cigarette
2nd hand smoking: your friend puffs the cigarette
3rd hand smoking: your friend puts out his cigarette before meeting you--but the entrails of his smoke is still on his shirt, his breath, his car, his living room, etc...
Hark, what baseball through yonder window breaks?
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