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Fecalfeast
Canada11355 Posts
On June 21 2015 06:53 GreenHorizons wrote: Anyone try to remember back to when they were a young child and not be able to tell if you are remembering the childhood memory or just remembering you remembering it? From what I've heard you are always remembering the last time you remembered everything you remember. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On June 21 2015 04:43 Fecalfeast wrote: Why is it so common in european countries for people to still use manual transmissions? At least in older cars, automatics drink a lot more fuel. Like, up to 30% more. Which is a lot bigger deal in Europe than in us. I'd like to say that it is because Europeans are so environmentally aware, but most likely it is a matter of the higher price. Well, it is an "eco" matter either way.  I am not sure how true that is for cars produced today though. I guess, in the long run, it should be possible to make automatics that are as efficient as manuals, or better as they can choose gear optionally. Not sure how close we are to that point though, in tend of cars that are produced today, or in terms of the cars that actually are on the roads (that will be older ofc). Do we have some car nerd that can shed some light on this? | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10910 Posts
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 21 2015 12:58 Cascade wrote: At least in older cars, automatics drink a lot more fuel. Like, up to 30% more. Which is a lot bigger deal in Europe than in us. I'd like to say that it is because Europeans are so environmentally aware, but most likely it is a matter of the higher price. Well, it is an "eco" matter either way. I am not sure how true that is for cars produced today though. I guess, in the long run, it should be possible to make automatics that are as efficient as manuals, or better as they can choose gear optionally. Not sure how close we are to that point though, in tend of cars that are produced today, or in terms of the cars that actually are on the roads (that will be older ofc). Do we have some car nerd that can shed some light on this? Yes. FecalFeast should know that I am and have pinged me. FF, a manual is less complex because you are doing a significant amount of the work involved with changing gears. Therefore, it is significantly lighter. You also have more control over the car's actions, since you are inherently more involved in everything it is doing. So, being lighter weight, any equivalent manual transmission will be inherently more efficient in every way. This includes driving pleasure, in that European roads are more exciting than ours, so driving can (and often is) actually fun. Or, the efficiency translates to economicological savings benefits. But lighter car usually = better car. In the wide open spaces of the U.S., easier car to drive with more weight behind it (slowing it down etc) is a safer car, as you are more likely to hit some stupid animal at 50+ MPH after braking (sorry, no kilos from the automatic people) A manual transmission can be beaten these days though by a CVT that keeps the engine at it's exact torque peak or horsepower peak based on demand. Since that is a form of automatic transmission, I must then readdress your question from a different angle. CVT transmissions, from the redundant department of redundancy department, like EVERYTHING, break. When they do, less people know how to fix them than do a conventional shifting transmission. So, the only reason to get a CVT auto is for the ecological advantage, which is slim especially compared to electric. In fact CVT are usually advertised for convenience, not "being green". Large trucks (lorries) use manual transmissions because it gives the driver a braking advantage. Rigs have a cutoff switch that causes diesel to be denied to the engine and pressure to be applied to the valves; the resulting backpressure in a Diesel engine (which has an inherently Long stroke) has significant stopping power when coupled with a manual transmission capable of stalling the engine. In fact it is enough to save the brakes entirely, loaded, downhill. ... Kidding. But it does help, and a manual also lets you put more gears in total; more gears = more speeds. Any other car questions, pm me. On June 21 2015 05:24 Yoav wrote: It's like SC2 versus Broodwar. One is the more polished product, easier to get into, and the obvious eventual winner. The other is harder to use, but ultimately superior. On June 21 2015 06:42 OtherWorld wrote: Yeah but now in Europe we have automatics which also give you the possibility to manually switch gear when you feel you need that extra control. That's like the best of both worlds put in the same car, there're no more reasons to use manual only cars. And since we're in the stupid questions thread : do you Americans brake with the left foot or the right foot, considering that you have no clutch pedal? You still weigh more. Way more.  Give the same car an equal ratio true manual and the manual will pull ahead and get better MPG/KPL. Envision having a pedal in the center and a pedal to one side, and using the foot on the other side of the center. You use the right or both. Both is both dangerous and illegal. I am having so much fun with my piss poor language today. | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 21 2015 06:26 Fecalfeast wrote: How am I supposed to smoke, send a text, change the radio and eat a sandwich if I have to shift gears? In all seriousness, though, I feel like it would become tedious to have to switch gears manually every single day to and from work. I guess if we're using the starcraft analogy, if I didn't follow or particularly enjoy SC but I had to play a game before work I'd go for the easier time as well. No. It is freeing. You can outmaneuver nearly everyone. In Europe it would be the reciprocal; you need it or you are a fat boat of a sloth. However my sterling is the nimblest car I drive at the moment, so I openly declare talking more from book knowledge rather than experience. | ||
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fruity.
England1711 Posts
On June 21 2015 17:29 Alakaslam wrote: No. It is freeing. You can outmaneuver nearly everyone. In Europe it would be the reciprocal; you need it or you are a fat boat of a sloth. However my sterling is the nimblest car I drive at the moment, so I openly declare talking more from book knowledge rather than experience. I interpret this as: I am a wannabe race driver, who drives around like a twat. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On June 21 2015 17:29 Alakaslam wrote: No. It is freeing. You can outmaneuver nearly everyone. In Europe it would be the reciprocal; you need it or you are a fat boat of a sloth. However my sterling is the nimblest car I drive at the moment, so I openly declare talking more from book knowledge rather than experience. Roads in Europe have changed a lot since the 60's ; small roads where you can take yourself for a wannabe racing driver and where manual transmission is the best see way less use. You'll most of the time drive either on roads with a not very high speed limit (in France 130 km/h for Highways and 90 km/h for other roads) and with a lot of straight lines or light curves, which means that a manual transmission is useless. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On June 21 2015 17:21 Alakaslam wrote: Yes. FecalFeast should know that I am and have pinged me. FF, a manual is less complex because you are doing a significant amount of the work involved with changing gears. Therefore, it is significantly lighter. You also have more control over the car's actions, since you are inherently more involved in everything it is doing. So, being lighter weight, any equivalent manual transmission will be inherently more efficient in every way. This includes driving pleasure, in that European roads are more exciting than ours, so driving can (and often is) actually fun. Or, the efficiency translates to economicological savings benefits. But lighter car usually = better car. In the wide open spaces of the U.S., easier car to drive with more weight behind it (slowing it down etc) is a safer car, as you are more likely to hit some stupid animal at 50+ MPH after braking (sorry, no kilos from the automatic people) A manual transmission can be beaten these days though by a CVT that keeps the engine at it's exact torque peak or horsepower peak based on demand. Since that is a form of automatic transmission, I must then readdress your question from a different angle. CVT transmissions, from the redundant department of redundancy department, like EVERYTHING, break. When they do, less people know how to fix them than do a conventional shifting transmission. So, the only reason to get a CVT auto is for the ecological advantage, which is slim especially compared to electric. In fact CVT are usually advertised for convenience, not "being green". Large trucks (lorries) use manual transmissions because it gives the driver a braking advantage. Rigs have a cutoff switch that causes diesel to be denied to the engine and pressure to be applied to the valves; the resulting backpressure in a Diesel engine (which has an inherently Long stroke) has significant stopping power when coupled with a manual transmission capable of stalling the engine. In fact it is enough to save the brakes entirely, loaded, downhill. Thanks. So if I go and buy a typical car today, new or from the last 5 years or so, say a Toyota Corolla or whatever, will the automatic version take more gas? More or less how much more? I realise it will depend on things, like what kind of automatic, the skill and style of the driver etc. But can you give a rough number for a "normal" person and a "normal" car? | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
On June 21 2015 06:53 GreenHorizons wrote: Anyone try to remember back to when they were a young child and not be able to tell if you are remembering the childhood memory or just remembering you remembering it? What is the difference in practice? It is more concerning that I sometimes don't remember if I actually remember it from my own experience, or from what my older sisters or parents have told me. :o They could have made up all sorts of crap, and I would probably believe it as not only truth, but my own memory by now. Powerful and scary things going on in the memory part of your brain. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18343 Posts
That said, manual cars tend to be quite a bit cheaper to buy, and are slightly cheaper in maintenance. So even if you don't win much in fuel efficiency, it's still cheaper. Also, I drive a stick shift, because it is more fun. Only times I curse having a stick is when stuck in a long traffic jam. | ||
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TMG26
Portugal2017 Posts
It's just too boring to use a manual and optimally switch gears for max fuel efficiency. | ||
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Thieving Magpie
United States6752 Posts
On June 22 2015 00:04 TMG26 wrote: If you just care about fuel, you should go for auto. It's just too boring to use a manual and optimally switch gears for max fuel efficiency. For maximum fuel efficiency switch to a small motorcycle. A tiny manual for if you want a "car." Assuming perfect micro. Assuming regular car maintenance. Assuming you care about those things. | ||
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Godwrath
Spain10152 Posts
On June 22 2015 00:04 TMG26 wrote: If you just care about fuel, you should go for auto. It's just too boring to use a manual and optimally switch gears for max fuel efficiency. It's the oppossite for me. That's actually what makes driving fun for me. And sometimes you just go for the most optimal way to go fast, not giving a fuck about gas. I mean really, switching just comes natural. | ||
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REDBLUEGREEN
Germany1904 Posts
On June 22 2015 00:28 Godwrath wrote: It's the oppossite for me. That's actually what makes driving fun for me. And sometimes you just go for the most optimal way to go fast, not giving a fuck about gas. I mean really, switching just comes natural. Heel-and-toe downshifting when grocery shopping is da best man  | ||
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Alakaslam
United States17336 Posts
On June 21 2015 21:42 Cascade wrote: Thanks. So if I go and buy a typical car today, new or from the last 5 years or so, say a Toyota Corolla or whatever, will the automatic version take more gas? More or less how much more? I realise it will depend on things, like what kind of automatic, the skill and style of the driver etc. But can you give a rough number for a "normal" person and a "normal" car? A manual1995 civic hatch will get about 30 real mpg (EPA says you can get 50) if you leave it how it is supposed to be. The auto version gets about 26-28 So, hardly anything even when the difference is more dramatic. As for me driving like a twat, this is Los Angeles. Please. (I am from Southern California. We all drive aggressively, and it's not about racing. It's about getting up to speed with the freeway, dealing with drivers who won't let you get over for a turn because they don't see you/are being jerks, people who get self righteous, people who get aggressive and dissatisfied with your own decision to not go as fast as them (Braking is improved in a manual) On June 21 2015 18:37 OtherWorld wrote: Roads in Europe have changed a lot since the 60's ; small roads where you can take yourself for a wannabe racing driver and where manual transmission is the best see way less use. You'll most of the time drive either on roads with a not very high speed limit (in France 130 km/h for Highways and 90 km/h for other roads) and with a lot of straight lines or light curves, which means that a manual transmission is useless. Mountains? Mountain driving warrants manual as well, but there isn't much advantage over a select shift auto. However with a manual transmission you can pop the clutch and do a wheelie. That is when I am most aggressive, and can also perform jumps of up to 25 feet to change lanes. It's just physics, when the front tires are your drive wheels a wheelie gives the rear wheels a strong downforce- resulting in the front of the car leaving the ground. This lets air pass under the tires, and the top spin causes you to create a downforce in front. Since the car is still leaping from the ground, this keeps the front in place while the rear is lifted from the earth. Once these forces wear out, you begin to land | ||
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VelJa
France1109 Posts
On June 22 2015 00:28 Godwrath wrote: It's the oppossite for me. That's actually what makes driving fun for me. And sometimes you just go for the most optimal way to go fast, not giving a fuck about gas. I mean really, switching just comes natural. yeah, that's all. totally agreed with my spanish fellow friend. Having fun is important in life dude And what if you have to travel around the world and drive a car who's not automatic ===> you're fucked. ^^ And : It's better to have control of your car, like in every other situation. I mean, you prefer : - walk or sit in an electric wheelchair who's moving on alone ? - You prefer roll your blunts or buy it alredy done? It's just better to have control. in any situation because if something goes wrong, it's your fault. not the technology or anything else. my 2 c | ||
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Oshuy
Netherlands529 Posts
On June 21 2015 21:46 Cascade wrote: What is the difference in practice? It is more concerning that I sometimes don't remember if I actually remember it from my own experience, or from what my older sisters or parents have told me. :o They could have made up all sorts of crap, and I would probably believe it as not only truth, but my own memory by now. Powerful and scary things going on in the memory part of your brain. Most of the time, it will be a mix between some seed you initially remembered, the stories you have heard from others about the event and the stories you tell yourself about them each time the memory comes back to your conscious mind. Two of my earliest memories are: - A man (father probably) is behind me, holding me in the air arms streched. I face the sea; I see waves, it is cold, windy, the sky is grey and there is nothing else than the ocean in front of me. I am scared. - I am climbing a hill, walking amongst trees. Father went ahead and mother is asking me to speed up; She refuses to pick me up and I try to walk faster, but that hill never ends and the sun is too hot. The first one is a memory no one else remembers. I do not have any context information and it is mainly made of blurry sensations. The second one is part of a summer trip I did when I was 3 with my parents. We talked about the trip a few times, I saw pictures that were taken, etc. When I "remember" it, I see it in detail, with the colors of the pictures I've seen. I know it's just a small hill that will lead to the mediterranean sea and the trees are olive trees in my mind, even though I would not have identified them at the time. I would not be able to extract from that construct what the original memory is. | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
On June 24 2015 01:24 oGoZenob wrote: I my computer, often video players stutter bizarely, they play and every second go back like 100ms before or so. It's really annoying, any idea what can cause that ? ask here imo http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/tech-support/233916-simple-questions-simple-answers | ||
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oGoZenob
France1503 Posts
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