Japanese scientists have actually discovered a way to create edible steaks from human feces.
Mitsuyuki Ikeda, a researcher from the Okayama Laboratory, has developed steaks based on proteins from human excrement. Tokyo Sewage approached the scientist because of an overabundance of sewage mud. They asked him to explore the possible uses of the sewage and Ikeda found that the mud contained a great deal of protein because of all the bacteria.
The researchers then extracted those proteins, combined them with a reaction enhancer and put it in an exploder which created the artificial steak. The “meat” is 63% proteins, 25% carbohydrates, 3% lipids and 9% minerals. The researchers color the poop meat red with food coloring and enhance the flavor with soy protein. Initial tests have people saying it even tastes like beef.
Inhabitat notes that “the meatpacking industry causes 18 percent of our greenhouse gas emissions, mostly due to the release of methane from animals.” Livestock also consume huge amounts of resources and space in efforts to feed ourselves as well as the controversy over cruelty to animals. Ikeda’s recycled poop burger would reduce waste and emissions, not to mention obliterating Dante’s circle for gluttons.
The scientists hope to price it the same as actual meat, but at the moment the excrement steaks are ten to twenty times the price they should be thanks to the cost of research. Professor Ikeda understands the psychological barriers that need to be surmounted knowing that your food is made from human feces. They hope that once the research is complete, people will be able to overlook that ugly detail in favor of perks like environmental responsibility, cost and the fact that the meat will have fewer calories.
Video: Solution to the Global Food Crisis - Let them eat TURD BURGERS!?
So my question to you TL is do you approve? What do you think of this new revolutionary method to create meat. Could it realistically replace meat. Would vegetarians approve since it is healthier than meat, tastes better, and is more environmentally friendly (i.e. not killing animals and lower emissions). What do you guys think!?
Personally I think it is disgusting and could never try this!!
Poll: Would you eat meat synthesized from human feces?
Hell no! It's still feces (516)
47%
Not sure, maybe (182)
16%
Yes, it is just meat and it is better for the environment (167)
15%
Just not for me, don't disapprove (115)
10%
I might try it, but would not make it a staple in my diet (114)
10%
Other. Please explain (15)
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1109 total votes
Your vote: Would you eat meat synthesized from human feces?
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Lol your guys comments are hilarious! Didn't mean to make this a flame about Japan xD. I'm sure there has got to be someone on TL that would try this. Anyone?
Well, wouldn't eat it unless nothing else was available. I can however see some opportunity, on a long space mission for example being able to recycle shit to food could perhaps be somewhat beneficial.
Third world countries maybe, but if it is expensive to produce thats not an option either.
Let's be honest guys, this is what Sci Fi has been heading towards for ever. The dessert suits in dune? Every food processor on a space ship? Yeah, it's inevitable so might as well start getting used to the idea.
I am so glad I'm a vegetarian. I help the environment, AND I don't have to be pressured be environmentalists to eat poop! :D Totally worth having almost nothing to eat at restaurants. ^^
I'm impressed, that is a very creative solution for waste management to say the least. 1:35 of the video made me do a double take, a fridge labeled "shit burger" would make me think twice about keeping my lunch in there.
Voted "Not Sure, maybe" out of curiosity. And because... + Show Spoiler +
I don't believe anybody would pay the same to eat this as a normal steak, but I can definitely see it used in places that are less picky about their food, where it'll stop people from starving.
The end product only really has one thing in common with the beginning product. A similar process is drinkable water from waste treatment plants, if you ever take a tour of those places, they will always give you water (secretly or otherwise) from the out pipe (depending if the plant is designed for drinkable water afterwards).
In this case, it's protein instead of water. However I would think that it would cost much much less just to run the waste through a treatment plant, and process the solid waste to use as fertilizer.
If you go about it how everyone in this thread is thinking so far, you might as well consider most farmed plants as made from animal feces.
On June 18 2011 04:04 vyyye wrote: Bear Grylls must be celebrating.
Better eat my own shit.
I'd eat this if it tasted good enough that I couldn't morph the taste into something horrible, like I do eggs. Living with chickens at my house, the eggs are taken from the pen with shit all over them.
I really don't see how this is disgusting to so many people. It's not like he's rolling shit into a ball and saying "eat it." They "extracted those proteins, combined them with a reaction enhancer and put it in an exploder which created the artificial steak." They take the useful bits out of what we think of as disgusting, and resynthesize it. The only thing these steaks have in common with excrement is that the molecules inside it were once embedded in it. No more than that.
What, every protein or carbohydrate out there is inherently disgusting, just because it COULD be used to create something objectionable? We've been drinking reprocessed dinosaur piss for millenia
I said "not sure, maybe". I think I would need to read up on this a bit more. I would wait to see if there are any negative effects. If there are none, then sure.
On June 18 2011 04:04 vyyye wrote: Bear Grylls must be celebrating.
Better eat my own shit.
I'd eat this if it tasted good enough that I couldn't morph the taste into something horrible, like I do eggs. Living with chickens at my house, the eggs are taken from the pen with shit all over them.
Heh, most people don't know how close shit is to their food.
Or don't actually know how much of their own shit is on every surface in their home that they've touched or even looked at.
Despite, I already know from my reactions and subsequent expectation that I will hardly ever be able to enjoy the taste of shit-derived meat; placebo effect drives perception of reality.
I picked other, for all those who watched Dune, you know the author already thought of this =P. If it's healthy and an alternative and you have no choice, just do it.
Just gotta give it a more appetizing name, like how patagonian toothfish->chilean sea bass. I know! "Taco Bell's new $.99 burrito, made with 100% real beef" (probably consisted of beef at one point)
Mmm, its old in the world of scifi: Everything got to be recycled to manage.
Still abit gross, but hmm. Considering I like to eat cow or even better pig; That do their best to marinates itself in its own excrements. Why the dodo not ? =)
Problem: Making sure its 100% clear of malevolent bacteria I suppose.
I can't wait for them to sell the technology and patent to a fast food company.
On a serious note, I would like to learn more about this. Perhaps the proccesing and the nutritional value of the 'steak'. Has anyone figured out if this is vegetarian/vegan friendly? I suppose it is better than starving for those in dire need of food, however I wouldn't opt to try it unless I was in such a situation.
People are pretty ignorant to what actually goes into their current food. This doesn't actually seem all that bad. I'd try it out. The only things I'd be worried about is the processing plants being privatized and failing to meet health standards. Making unsafe shit burgers etc. haha
On June 18 2011 03:57 mastergriggy wrote: My question is what would vegetarians think about this? Is this considered okay for them to eat?
I eat mostly vegetarian nowadays, and I get a bit of a stomach ache if I go back to eating more than tiny amounts of meat, when there is a barbecue party or something along those lines. So I would rather stop eating any meat.
I think that shit idea is very good for those 100 % fast food (carnivore) guys.
On June 18 2011 04:12 oogieogie wrote: honestly i wouldn't be that against it if it looks good, and tastes good since those are the only things needed for me to try something really.
You would eat a steak made of human if it would look and taste good?
If there was an equal chance for the meat in my bun to be either poop meat or prime beef, I'd take a bite and if I'd like the taste and texture, I'd eat it
Wouldn't mind eating it as long as they can prove it isn't bad for your health... Think most of the cheap meat on the shelves today come from just as, if not more questionable sources. Like using rotten meat for minced meat to save money and the like.
On June 18 2011 04:12 oogieogie wrote: honestly i wouldn't be that against it if it looks good, and tastes good since those are the only things needed for me to try something really.
You would eat a steak made of human if it would look and taste good?
Well, that is all cultural. The only reason not to cannabalize the dead is evolutionary. If they died, they probably have some sort of disease right?
However, nowadays we know how to thouroughly cook meat. Any type of sociopath would be fine with that steak if culture allowed it.
It is pretty much the same arguement for eating excrement.
Personally, eating a human steak would be too much.
I wouldn't be willing to try it until it had gone through some long-term testing to see if it has any long-term adverse health effects.
I wonder... what % of human excrement gets extracted and used in this process? Obviously it is going to vary from person to person depending on diet, but I'd be interested to see a rough estimate.
i may have misunderstood, but I think the concept is that the protein (which is what is being extracted from the feces) is actually from the bacteria which grow in the feces, not the feces itself.
If that's the case then it's just like eating mushrooms (which are grown in manuer) or cheese (bacterial cultures). I would be okay with that.
If its actually consuming shit then I'm not down lol, not with a whole bottle of ketchup.
If they proved it was healthier or as healthy as normal meat, then yes I would eat it, but they're going to have to do a lot of studies and marketing to convince the masses.
I'm curious as to why they chose to align themselves along side meat products, they kind of shot themselves in the foot as far as acceptable branding would go
Also, this isn't meat... it's processed excrement. Fish products have high protein content (ie: salmon) but how often is the nomer "fish meat" used? Silly
Adult mammalian muscle flesh consists of roughly 75 percent water, 19 percent protein, 2.5 percent intramuscular fat, 1.2 percent carbohydrates and 2.3 percent other soluble non-protein substances. These include nitrogenous compounds, such as amino acids, and inorganic substances such as minerals.
<3 Wikipedia.
The “meat” is 63% proteins, 25% carbohydrates, 3% lipids and 9% minerals.
Assuming good mixing in the ecosystem, the water you are drinking is probably 10^-9%ish urine. Astronauts have been drinking pure reprocessed urine for a while now. I have no problem with eating reprocessed poop.
I wouldn't eat it myself, but I'd prefer it over dirt if those were my only options.
I have a feeling though this will have a hard time getting through though, just because of the nature of it. People see it and say "eww no that's gross and stupid," that's the extent of their thought process.
LoL, The best part is when he goes to open the refridgerator and it says "SHIT BURGER" on the front of it. I'd never eat a turd burger, or steak. Fortunately I live in a country without hunger problems, so I eat filet minyon like a BOSS.
I love how the scientist has it labeled as shit burger in his lab or wherever that was. It costs more than normal meat, is made from poo and looks like poo in its finished version. Don't send me any :p
It's not poop, it's all the still useful stuff that was in poop. I don't see what the problem is. I mean, hell, cows eat grass, grass grows on soil, soil gets fertilized with poop. Does that mean cows eat poop?
I would it eat it as long as it was tastier/ as tasty and as cheap/ cheaper than regular meat. Otherwise I'd stick with ye olde regular meat straight from the animal.
I could eat it as long as it would taste good or ok to me. Similar to me eating other fake meat products out there, they dont taste like meat but mostly they taste pretty good or ok. However if I should buy this then probably it would have to taste like meat and be cheaper than normal meat. Normally fake meat products like qourn isn't that cheap but I could see everybody eating this in 100 years.
I dont see the problem... its not poop anymore.... anyway its like saying plant grow in poop animal eat plant we eat animal so we still eat pooop with normal steak ;-)
Meh, this is attacking the problem from the completely wrong angle. Rather than trying to make more meat-products for the poor to eat we in the richer countries should just eat less meat. (If any meat.) The inefficiency of farming meat is a huge part in why people starve.
This example is gonna be pretty exagerated but the point still stands.
One cow eats 10kg grass per day while producing 2kg milk. This same cow goes on living its life for lets say 10 years when it finally gets slaughtered, that means 10kg grass x 365 x 10. That´s how many kilos grass this cow has eaten That´s 365 000kg grass. However it produces 2 x 365 x 10 kilos of milk. That is about 7 000kgs of milk. I think you see where this is heading. Then you get about 200 kilos of meat for all that.
Grass is in this case actually not grass but instead different soy-products. Imagine how much space where you could farm efficient food that doesnt go through a cow would suddenly pop up if the meat industry vanished.
On June 18 2011 04:48 Thorakh wrote: It's not poop, it's all the still useful stuff that was in poop. I don't see what the problem is. I mean, hell, cows eat grass, grass grows on soil, soil gets fertilized with poop. Does that mean cows eat poop?
the glaring difference is humans are simply using an imperfect science to imitate this process, which is pretty scary.
This is awful. Not just is it gastronomically disgusting, but it's sociologically awful as well. The WHO, FAO, UNICEF, and the UN as a whole have all concluded that food insecurity (starvation) is not a problem of production, but of distribution. Governments often ask these organizations for money to feed their people, keep the money, sell the domestic agricultural products, and the ask for food donations from other countries to feed their people for them. This happens almost everywhere where hunger and starvation is rampant. Political instability and civil war are the leading causes of starvation behind environment degradation and climate change. So the point is, scientists genetically engineering foods for higher yields, growing meat in laboratories, or this last atrocity, making meat from feces, will all never solve hunger issues. What's worse is that now we're saying, quite literally. "hungry? here, eat our shit." WTF. How can anyone think this is okay? There's a concept of "a right to food" that isn't often embraced in the US, the Far East, or the Middle East, but is officially accepted by then UN that says that not only do people have a right to access to food as nourishment, but that access to food should include the same quality and variety of choice that all human beings expect. Literally feeding people our shit will ALWAYS QUALIFY AS A MOTHERFUCKING HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATION. W.T.F. And as if that isn't bad enough, any time we've seen a reduction in food quality for one purpose or another, it has led to a significant reduction of food quality all around, and a stratification of food prices by which traditionally produced foods become more expensive because of the introduction of a low quality alternative. So basically if people start eating their own shit, real food will get even more expensive for the rest of us.
I'd try it, no problem. It's not like you're eating actual human feces, you're eating the processed proteins that used to be in it. If it tastes like normal meat it could be of serious help in the near future too, depending on how hard it is to manufacture.
On June 18 2011 04:53 ToT)OjKa( wrote: World hunger can already be solved not by countries actually giving a shit about famine but the food we waste every day is enough to feed the world.
also, not even close. word to the wise, you don't have to say anything when you don't know anything.
On June 18 2011 04:53 ToT)OjKa( wrote: World hunger can already be solved not by countries actually giving a shit about famine but the food we waste every day is enough to feed the world.
also, not even close. word to the wise, you don't have to say anything when you don't know anything.
Feces is feces, you can't change that. This is like trying to sprinkle glitter over shit. Sure it might look a tad prettier (???), but it's still shit.
I don't care what they do to it, it's still very disgusting.
On June 18 2011 04:53 ToT)OjKa( wrote: World hunger can already be solved not by countries actually giving a shit about famine but the food we waste every day is enough to feed the world.
also, not even close. word to the wise, you don't have to say anything when you don't know anything.
Nice job backing up your claim there.
i'm not the one who brought politics into this thread, and fucking read. i'll give you a hint, it's on this page.
Why not just use the feces to fertilize soil for plants that could even be used to make vegetarian meat? Why does eating shit need to be part of the process?
On June 18 2011 04:53 ToT)OjKa( wrote: World hunger can already be solved not by countries actually giving a shit about famine but the food we waste every day is enough to feed the world.
also, not even close. word to the wise, you don't have to say anything when you don't know anything.
Nice job backing up your claim there.
i'm not the one who brought politics into this thread, and fucking read. i'll give you a hint, it's on this page.
You should still be able to prove your point if you´re making one. And I wanted a source so I asked for it.
On June 18 2011 04:12 oogieogie wrote: honestly i wouldn't be that against it if it looks good, and tastes good since those are the only things needed for me to try something really.
You would eat a steak made of human if it would look and taste good?
If I liked human meat(probably wouldn't) and the person wasn't murdered to be eaten, I don't see anything wrong with cannibalism.
I'll try anything once. Maybe even twice. Usually I eat my steaks rare, but in this instance I'll go with what seems to be the norm among American women: "Well Done so it has the consistency and taste of leather then smother it with some sort of shitty Steak Sauce (they're all shitty) or ketchup (GAH!). And then complain to the server that my steak isn't tender or juicy enough."
Some pet fishes get their own poop again because the excrement goes through their bodies fairly quick and there is still significant nutrients in it but this concept is not for me...omg. I'd rather be a vegetarian.
While I find the idea of what it comes from pretty gross, considering where the rest of meat comes from it's not that bad. If it was cheap enough... why not?
If I ever become so concerned for the environment I'll just eat vegetables. This could never replace meat in my mind. It should be said that this isn't all that different from the water recyclying techniques they use in space, or even Star Trek like "protein resequencing", except of course that that protein is actually grown out of feces eating bacteria, which is rather disgusting. In fact now I wonder, since bacteria can be such a good source of protein why don't we just let it grow on something else? Must keep in mind that this research sprouted out of a need to find a use for sewage specifically, not a demand for a way to replace meat. Surely it's not the best solution....
I think it's really just the question if enough people would buy it so it's worth being produced. On the other hand, there might be less disgusting ways to get enough food for everybody, starting with not wasting it. EDIT: Of course I'm assuming it doesn't affect your health in any bad way.
I think if it could help feed starving people it would be great for the world. Though I would try it for sure. just drown it in some sauce and eat it with a smile. Just don't get any in your eye, it might give you pink eye.
Sounds interesting to try at least once. I'm up for trying almost anything at least once and like to keep an open mind. That said, I'd probably have to be in a certain mood to try eating a shit steak. And I'd probably not finish the first one I ever ate, because I'd start thinking too much about how I'm eating shit to stomach the whole thing. But hey, I'd try it and tell people how it tastes.
If I had to go out and colonize deep space I'd eat that shit all day. But here on Earth I'm more comfortable killing a cow and eating it.
Every major city has been doing this with water forever. Every cup of water has been drunk, pissed out, filtered and reprocessed many times before. This is no different. That said, I'd still take real meat.
Obviously I'd want to make sure they're getting rid of whatever toxins are in poop, and that the bacteria are all killed before they're fed to me... and I'm not going to pretend it's meat any more than those soy patties are meat... but I don't see the problem.
On June 18 2011 04:26 travis wrote: As long as it's healthy I would have no problem eating this. Though I am skeptical that there are no issues that could arise from eating it.
This is how I feel.
I think this is a new step compared to filtering urine into drinking water. On one level its the same thing I admit.
How would you market something like this if you could price in comparatively? You'd have to disclose the source of the meat and it couldn't be an ambiguous "artificial" or "reprocessed' or "reclaimed" name, you'd have to call it something alluding to it being shitmeat.
On June 18 2011 04:03 Ben... wrote: Soylent green is PEOPLE! PEOPLE!
In all seriousness, that is gross. Maybe for pet food if it is safe but not for people (though I would never feed it to my labrador).
Haha I totally agree with you man maybe I might feed it to the random racoons that show up so they would stop eating my outside cats damn food all the time. But I sure as hell wouldn't feed that to my kitty cat! Just seems weird to re-use waste this way but you know if it could help some counties then go for it I mean I would eat that over starving to death but I wouldn't eat it if I still had a choice. Its not like you give a damn if your almost dead from lack of food so rock on they should make this easily accessible to countries with a high amount of starving people.
The protein comes from the bacteria that grows on the feces. Where does the primary mass come from? The idea of eating matter which started as excrament, then was completely rearranged molecularly to form new matter is one thing. To eat the matter that is the leftover protein that passed right through someone else is another thing. Yet another thing is to eat the matter which grows on feces, producing its own protein. I highly suspect that what we're talking about here though, is actually eating waste matter itself, with its bacteria thoroughly dead so that it's not harmful anymore, but left in place for sake of nutrition. This is quite different from drinking recycled urine, since recycled urine is simply water. This is actually shit, its plain self, only sterilized and with flavour added.
On June 18 2011 04:38 IntoTheBush wrote: LoL, The best part is when he goes to open the refridgerator and it says "SHIT BURGER" on the front of it. I'd never eat a turd burger, or steak. Fortunately I live in a country without hunger problems, so I eat filet minyon like a BOSS.
The poor in the US have hunger problems, its just not a issue for most people the read TL.
knowing how sausages are made was a little bit more disturbing actually but it didnt stop me from loving sausage and knowing this wouldnt stop me from considering it.
Wasn't this a hoax? I can remember the yes-man doing something similar.
A documentary worth watching imo. Anyhow I wouldn't want to eat this. I am all for industrial food production but this is ridiculous. I don't think I could get my mind over the fact that it was at some point poop. :/
As long as it is safe and tastes alright, why not? I wouldn't entirely replace meat but it seems like a healthier alternative to red meat. I would worry about the presence of prions in the feces though.
Ahahaha... I love how the labels say "SHIT BURGER" on them. This can't be real.
Am I starving? Then yeah, I'll eat the turd burger...does it taste good? Then, yeah, I'll eat the turd burger...infact...just gimme one now, I'll eat it.
but i say we should make up a bunch of steaks and give em to africa. just dont tell them! wont they dont know wont hurt em and im sure they will enjoy some steak :-)
Water I'm kind of okay with since as long as you filter it out it's fine but it's shit. I'd much rather use the said waste to grow plants with rather than actually eat it filtered/reprocessed. I can't think of anything that would make me feel comfortable eating that stuff.
Hell no, I would eat cheese or whatever I can get proteins from. Noone can make me eat shit.
Joking aside, if it is perfectly safe health-wise and it doesn't taste too unnatural or dirty, I could perhaps eat it. Still, the psychological effect will be a big problem.
Did you guys know that a common ingredient in energy drinks "Taurine" is actually from Bull piss? (tauren + urine = taurine)... true story. Think about that before you discredit this idea
Thing is no one will able to distinguish between "poop"meat and normal meat as long as the technology is perfected, basicly what they are doing is growing meat from the leftover proteins that they can find in poop. In principle it's exactly the same as making an animal synthesize proteins to create meat, but instead we just do it in a lab setting.
I don't really see why people are going crazy over this, this technology goes a long way in solving world hunger.
Dunno, like others said, water is "recycled" plenty and we don't seem to mind that.
If we saw where a lot of our food came from shit burgers would look pretty tame in comparison. All those hairy pig snouts, ball sacks and stuff that goes into processed meat can't be worse for us than this stuff. A lot of stuff farm animals eat is made from the mashed up gore that is left over from processing plants and that eventually ends up on our plates too.
Having said all that, they better hire one hell of a PR company.
I find it really hard to take this seriously. That youtube video is funny though, "SHIT BURGER" I don't think this would be very practical though, faeces would only contain a tiny amount of protein so 1 turd burger would take a lot of faeces to create. I definitely could not eat one if I was told what it was.
On June 18 2011 06:29 aike wrote: Did you guys know that a common ingredient in energy drinks "Taurine" is actually from Bull piss? (tauren + urine = taurine)... true story. Think about that before you discredit this idea
I don't know if that was joking or what, but...
That's not true. Please don't spread misinformation.
Uh. I don't get how they could maintain "quality." Wouldn't it be completely dependent on what the fecal matter was composed of (aka what the people in particular ate)?
Although it seems that no normal person would purposely buy and eat this meat substitute, I can imagine some shady meat companies sneaking this substitute into their meat products as a cost-saving initiative. Perhaps this feces-meat may be sold in poorer countries as legitimate food, assuming that the cost of production is low enough.
On June 18 2011 06:37 FabledIntegral wrote: Uh. I don't get how they could maintain "quality." Wouldn't it be completely dependent on what the fecal matter was composed of (aka what the people in particular ate)?
It could lead to a wide variety of flavors and new jobs at the shit factory!
Why pay for an expensive steak with an awesome cocoa rub??? They could have some kind of willy wonka shit, stuff you full of chocolate and laxatives and farm it out on the other end.
Meat is also proteins, etc etc, .. Where it came from does not matter. A set of molecules is NOT equal to shit. The waste products from feces that can't be used are not mixed up in this artificial meat, so I'd be gladly to eat a food source that gives me the energy I need. It's recycled food and I think it's awesome.
yea.. it's the proteins extracted from it, not actually poop. do note that everything we eat and drink is pretty much recycled from something at one point -_-
As a vegetarian, I don't know whether this would be safe for vegetarians, but I do know that I wouldn't eat it. You can already get fake meat made from soy (tastes delicious!).
I find macdonalds food disgusting cus I know what they do to the food some places (no offense to people who like macdonalds ofc) but this is clean, I mean, it's produced in a lab and as long as people can document that it's clean I dont see why not, if it's meat it's meat.
On June 18 2011 07:18 Westy wrote: I love how people are going "Ewwww, I would NEVER eat poo!"
Nearly everything you eat has once either been in contact or actually been poo throughout its cycle here on earth.
This. I can't believe how unaware people are of the way that nutrient cycling works in the environment. It's like saying you won't drink water because it was all urine at one point... Protein, carbs, and minerals are proteins, carbs, and minerals, no matter what they used to be or what they used to be around.
Anyway, the food looks kind of gross right now, but if they could refine the process to make it more appealing, I'd be able to get over the "eww poop" thing pretty quickly. The rate at which people waste energy, hurt the environment, and mistreat animals for the sake of meat in developed countries is really quite a problem.
On June 18 2011 07:22 teamsolid wrote: I doubt I would ever try it, since who knows how safe it is too eat, regardless of the amount of processing.
Wait what, you dont trust scientists? I mean I could get it if it was some scheme scientist but I am pretty sure that this is legit and clean (perhaps moreso than normal food since it has been through a lab?)
wouldn't it be easier to just grow cattle muscle cells in special amniotic tanks? use electric stimulation to make the muscles contract to simulate exercise, and feed it through blood vessels constructed with special scaffolding.
it's probably alot healthier than eating reprocessed turds, not to mention that processed food can never be good for you.
This way, you grow a buncha cells, then harvest them to cut up into your filet steak.
I didn't see this one coming. But maybe I should have, considering all the other crazy things they're done with food (semen flavored milk, I'm looking at YOU).
The psychological barrier mentioned in the OP is indeed big. I would never eat the stuff, but it may prove a solution to the food crisis. But then again, is double shit less rich in proteins? Can we only synthesize feces that has been "processed" once? The implications and uses are amazing, but I would never eat it.
I really don't see what all the people here are getting all worked up about. Molecules are molecules and proteins are proteins. I would eat it as long as it doesn't taste like shit. And japan is amazing.
On June 18 2011 04:53 ToT)OjKa( wrote: World hunger can already be solved not by countries actually giving a shit about famine but the food we waste every day is enough to feed the world.
also, not even close. word to the wise, you don't have to say anything when you don't know anything.
On June 18 2011 08:03 thfrgi wrote: I really don't see what all the people here are getting all worked up about. Molecules are molecules and proteins are proteins. I would eat it as long as it doesn't taste like shit. And japan is amazing.
That's all fine and dandy, but you have to respect the fact that some of us don't want to eat recycled poop. Whether you want to call us weak-minded, -willed, or lacking to understand that "molecules are molecules", etc, it doesn't change the fact that we feel this way.
I suppose my future grandchildren may look at gramps and say HAH can you believe the old man doesn't eat "chicken flavored recycled nutrients" (that'll be the new term for poop/shit to change the outlook of the product), but I'm staying OLD SCHOOL on this one.
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I wonder how they can expect to price this in-line with real meat. If you had the choice between $4.00 worth of real meat, or $4.00 worth of shit beef, who in their right mind would eat the poop? I think there would have to be more of an economical incentive for this to really take off.
On June 18 2011 08:06 arb wrote: Why does this exist
Everything you're eating, has been shit at some point in the proces anyways.. The proces described here, is down to the cellular level, it won't have anything to do with poo anymore, it's all chemistry/biology
On June 18 2011 04:53 ToT)OjKa( wrote: World hunger can already be solved not by countries actually giving a shit about famine but the food we waste every day is enough to feed the world.
also, not even close. word to the wise, you don't have to say anything when you don't know anything.
On June 18 2011 04:12 oogieogie wrote: honestly i wouldn't be that against it if it looks good, and tastes good since those are the only things needed for me to try something really.
You would eat a steak made of human if it would look and taste good?
some people already said it, but as long as the person wasn't murdered to make the steak and it had those qualitys then i would probably have nothing against eating a human steak or trying it.
That's all fine and dandy, but you have to respect the fact that some of us don't want to eat recycled poop
Everything u eat was poop sometime. Probably u and everyone else on this forum consists partially of poop.
it doesn't change the fact that we feel this way.
Im pretty sure everyone who would eat this exactly feels the same way. But its just feelings , its just a instinct based reaction, because ur brain connects meat with poop and that makes it disgusting. But its not poop, not the slidest. Its meat. If it tastes like meat, feels like meat and doesnt cause negative effects on health, theres no valid argument against it.
If it's healthier than normal meats, or better for your protein intake... I've eaten worse in the name of sports. Seems like a huge breakthrough. I am really not that picky about my food though, if it's healthy I'll eat it, regardless of taste.
On June 18 2011 04:53 ToT)OjKa( wrote: World hunger can already be solved not by countries actually giving a shit about famine but the food we waste every day is enough to feed the world.
If it wasn't a hoax, then imagine this: world hunger can be solved by
It's the proteins that have been extracted, so really I don't see a problem with eating this myself. I doubt you'd be able to tell much of a difference between this and real meat just by looking/smelling anyway, so why not?
So long as it's been certified as not being harmful to health, there's no valid argument against this.
I would try this, now i wonder what they can do with urine. I wonder what their breath smells like afterwards? This would be great for college students.
to me its like this: 1. When you eat food, you'll have to shit 2. That shit is used to grow plants 3. Plants take out all the nutrients, proteins and other goodness from the shit while leaving out the rest 4. Cows eat the plants containing all those nutrients and such 5. Therefore in a convoluted way, we are already eating our own shit
THE CIRCLE OF LIFE (or should it be, the circle of shit?)
anyways all this japanese guy did was to find a shortcut from step 1 to 5. i see the concept is challenging and probably won't be accepted for a long time but who knows. maybe one day we'll have to rely on this shit
This has been tried before. Not with steaks though, it was all the nutrients, not just protein, and after processing it was a white powder that could be flavoured for broths and stuff. It was extremely high in loads of nutrients so they thought it would work in countries with starvation. Turns out even staving people wernt willing to eat it. Massive failure. I cant remember where i read about it, id try and find a link but im scared of what the google search might show me.
Im pretty sure everyone who would eat this exactly feels the same way. But its just feelings , its just a instinct based reaction, because ur brain connects meat with poop and that makes it disgusting. But its not poop, not the slidest. Its meat. If it tastes like meat, feels like meat and doesnt cause negative effects on health, theres no valid argument against it.
My rational mind understands everything you said, trust me, I get it. I'm still never going to eat that product. I don't have a choice that I might be composed of ex-poop molecules, but I can choose what I'm going to eat.
Go watch that video again and tell me that stuff looked like hamburger meat. It looks like a cheap beef jerky or something. I have doubts that the stuff tastes like a real burger, but if you eat a poop burger some day and I'm wrong about that, come back to this thread and let me know.
I doubt it would be easy to mass produce since it seems like a pretty expensive process, but I love the idea of creating meat from poop. Awesome research indeed.
As for eating it, I wouldn't have any problems with it and I'm surprised that so many would. Rationally there's nothing wrong with it, and it's more like a poop butterfly that turns into a hamburger.
How does the protein get into the feces exactly? Is it because of the bacteria that feasts on our feces or is it because there already is protein left in our crap that our body didn't use?
Wouldn't we still have to eat a lot of protein rich foods, like meat from animals, or milk from cows, to make our crap full of the stuff we want more of? This seems more like a way to recycle crap, no to create new renewable food sources.
On June 18 2011 08:51 Bronzeanteater wrote: now i wonder what they can do with urine.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say they can turn it into water.
Hey man, we aren't on Arrakis, we don't have stillsuits, don't speak such nonsense.
Boil the piss so the water evaporate, collect vapor. Common tactic to get water in a desert but with digging a hole instead of piss. Not sure if trolling or not, to tired to care atm.
I would never be able to mentally convince myself to eat one of those, unless I was in a state of starvation OR they just never told me. I'd prefer to eat it under the classification of "Mystery Meat".
To be fair, the meat itself doesn't look much worse than say the stuff you get in a average donair from one of those rotisseries. However I would never knowingly put that, "shit" anywhere near my mouth, unless I was paid to do so. That said I wouldn't really care if other people were fine with it, as it only mildly disgusts me. If this was the only meat left on the planet, I'm pretty sure that's exactly what it would take to make me switch to a vegetarian diet.
On June 18 2011 08:54 fuzzy_panda wrote: to me its like this: 1. When you eat food, you'll have to shit 2. That shit is used to grow plants 3. Plants take out all the nutrients, proteins and other goodness from the shit while leaving out the rest 4. Cows eat the plants containing all those nutrients and such 5. Therefore in a convoluted way, we are already eating our own shit
We're not already eating our own shit; we're eating the cows that were helped raised due to our shit. There's a difference.
On June 18 2011 08:54 fuzzy_panda wrote: to me its like this: 1. When you eat food, you'll have to shit 2. That shit is used to grow plants 3. Plants take out all the nutrients, proteins and other goodness from the shit while leaving out the rest 4. Cows eat the plants containing all those nutrients and such 5. Therefore in a convoluted way, we are already eating our own shit
THE CIRCLE OF LIFE (or should it be, the circle of shit?)
anyways all this japanese guy did was to find a shortcut from step 1 to 5. i see the concept is challenging and probably won't be accepted for a long time but who knows. maybe one day we'll have to rely on this shit
That's a pretty huge leap in terms of degree of separation, from what's going on here. Which is pretty much as direct as it can get without someone actually eating fecal matter in its, "fresh from the oven" form.
In addition manure produced from animal waste is far more commonly used in agriculture than the variety created from human excrement, at least to my knowledge.
On June 18 2011 08:37 GhostFall wrote: I wouldnt eat it because I don't like fake meat. Never found any substitute for the real deal. I would try it tho.
If you have EVER DRANK WATER FROM THE TAP, know that is the same water people shit and urinate in, only cleaned and treated.
Of course. I have seen videos on the discovery channel and the internet on how it's treated and from what I know in science and chemicals, I approve how they treat it. I drink my water knowledgeably, and accept that it was once shit.
That just seems wrong on so many levels to me :S. Sure I mean it's probably environmentally friendly but still it just seems wrong. I think it would be a Soylent Green scenario, most people would eat it until they found out the truth lol
I voted Other. If you eat any meat at all in today's culture, you're bound to have some feces in there. What's a little more? It's even been through a bevvy of industrial processes so you know its safe!
Who would've thought that a shitty burger would cost 10 to 20 times more than a BigMac. ONLY THIS DAYS ;; jeez... "Yo waiter, can I have that shit plz? TO GO ^^"
I think most negative responses are due to a mental block, because the meat came from excrement. But in terms of actual composition, it should not be different from normal meat (assuming competent scientists). Maybe once people get over their irrational fears, this idea would work out.
About what human tastes like, back in the 90s the New York Times food critic got some cadaver meat (thigh I think) and cooked it up and said it tasted like veal, just not as good.
If this is all i had left to survive on, then yeah, of course i'd eat it. But when the real thing is still abound and plentiful, you can keep your shit to yourself.
Yah, pretty sure if you are hungry enough you'll eat anything. The water you're drinking was piss, we fertilise our crops with shit...Once you realise its just chemicals its actually not hard to stomach imo.
This is such an interesting question to me. I think I would have to eat it, because honestly it's disgusting that I eat meat when meat is a major contributor to both world hunger and global warming. But yeah, my initial reaction is that it's pretty gross.
I mentioned this to my parents over dinner (lol) and my dad's comment: wouldn't this be better used for biofuel? The gas released by livestock isn't that big a deal since the carbon isn't being pulled out from deep underground... it's going in a cycle between animals and the environment. Not the case with fossil fuels...
I've just undertaken some university study on wastewater treatment, specifically BOD and COD treatment methods. This is really interesting to read/see.
The problem is perception. But one thing easily changes perception very quickly - price. If meat proteins increase in demand as expected in the next 20 years (in line with rapidly expanding population growth in expanding economies ie India and Asia), world price levels for 'organic' meat may become out of reach for a large portion of the population that currently enjoy it. When that happens, people will look to alternatives, and unless other alternatives are found, perceptions are very likely to quickly change.
I recall my step father talking about when he worked at a slaughterhouse maybe 15 years ago. He had to devide meat into different bins. One for waste, one for dog food, one for sausage and one for minced meat. At the end of they his boss came in and took everything up a notch, so that the waste became dog food etc, and that shit was molded and fairly rotten.
This turd burger is probably a more healthy option than that fine hot dog ^^
I fail to see the point, considering they said the price of the meat would be the same as normal meats. I thought the entire point would be a cheap, readily available food source. Truth be told the idea to me isn't that bad compared to some of the other stuff we eat.
To me the psychological effect probably comes from being HUMAN feces, not just feces. There's just something weird about eating food from your own species. I mean, even drinking human milk probably grosses most adults out.
People are so irrational, this is what is wrong with the world. everything you eat is derived from poop nutrients. You poop, poop washes into soil, poop is absorbed by plants to grow, you and animals animals then eat the plants.
For some reason nobody cares if they eat something grown in a field of manure but this disgusts you???
To be honest I would be okay eating it if I never found out what it was made of and I don't get E.Coli. If it tastes the same and has the same texture and the same nutritional value then there's no real point in making a big bubub about it. Just don't tell me I'm eating crap!
Eating your own poop was always viable I guess. When people share their diet with dogs, sometimes the dogs would eat their own poop because of the excess protein left over.
Recognize meat for what it really is: the antibiotic- and pesticide-laden corpse of a tortured animal. How is eating shit any worse? What about girls drinking cum? This is terrific news for people with a scat fetish. I've always believed that Grylls is a closet scat lover who, in order to exercise his fetish without criticism created a TV show to make what he was doing seem like some sort of 'survival' tactic, when really it's just a cover-up for his sick fantasies.
On June 18 2011 16:48 BackHo wrote: Recognize meat for what it really is: the antibiotic- and pesticide-laden corpse of a tortured animal. How is eating shit any worse? What about girls drinking cum? This is terrific news for people with a scat fetish. I've always believed that Grylls is a closet scat lover who, in order to exercise his fetish without criticism created a TV show to make what he was doing seem like some sort of 'survival' tactic, when really it's just a cover-up for his sick fantasies.
I've seen a lot of ridiculous trolling on the internet, but I think this one takes the cake.
Surprised it hadnt happened already tbh, I don't see the big deal.
Vegetarians are busy eating veggies grown on land fertilised by manure. What's the difference? Plants People extract the nutrients from manure, then plants people turn those nutrients into something tasty and edible.
Honestly, people happily eat crap like hotdogs and they're like 12% "meat" (i.e. disgusting scraps of flesh ground and mashed up), and 88% filler. Most delicious sweets we eat (and the coatings of medicine tablets) are made from gelatine; a substance obtained from grinding up and cooking pig/cow skin and bones. Many cheeses are made from adding mould to the mix and leaving it for a couple of months to mature. I could go on, but you get the idea - lots of the foods we eat have disgusting origins, but the final product can be oh-so tasty.
Well, if this process is cheap, I can see the food industry try to silently slip this technique in our food chain. They already do sly processes with burgers and nuggets. That's just the natural follow-up.
It's kind of disgusting but this could actually be really helpful if it ever becomes cheaper.. Anyway, I'm already drinking recycled sewage water here in Singapore so I guess I wouldn't mind trying it. If they can make it it tastes good, be healthy, environmentally friendly, and affordable, this could the future man!
Well, scientists have gotten clean water from waste water through reverse osmosis, distillation, et cetera. And they don't taste half-bad, in fact they taste pretty good.
I'd expect the same with this, so yeah I'll take it.
On June 18 2011 17:18 madnessman wrote: It's kind of disgusting but this could actually be really helpful if it ever becomes cheaper.. Anyway, I'm already drinking recycled sewage water here in Singapore so I guess I wouldn't mind trying it. If they can make it it tastes good, be healthy, environmentally friendly, and affordable, this could the future man!
What future ? It's plain disgusting and goes against all ethics.
Plus there are no creation of proteins or lipids, so it will never solve human hunger.
On June 18 2011 17:27 Kuja900 wrote: Hah finally all the environmentalists are going to be put to the test. Love the Earth you say? Love it enough to eat shit?
Most of them already love it enough to leave their shit in the toilet for weeks before flushing it down in order to conserve water.
Seriously, what is the big deal? Years ago humans cannibalised other humans in most primitive cultures although it is considered against ethics today. The French eat snails and Japanese eat whale penises. Non-Muslims eat pork (ohh the disgust and horror). It has been scientifically shown that the amount of bacteria and shit on the average computer keyboard is worse than a toilet seat, so technically you are eating shit each time you don't wash your hands before eating.
I don't see why it's so horrifying. I would eat it. Every bit of matter on this planet has been recycled for millions of years. I am eating dinosaur poop now, why not eat human poop tomorrow? This is, of course, assuming that with proper science it does not look, smell, nor taste like poop, and has no harmful bacteria or other possible health issues.
You're probably the first person in this entire thread to have noticed it. Nobody in any of the other pages has even pointed it out several times per page.
this can only be made from the waste of the people who eat regular food. it can not be made from the waste of the people that eat this ...shit, so it doesnt solve anything. it could only prolong the inevitable.
This is kinda cool I think this will be used in space were they attempt to reuse everything they can I wounder how much shit it takes to make a ounce of meat though.
Strangely enough, the only featured research on the Okayama Laboratory website is something to do with superconductors. This is pretty much a hoax.
Oh and searching the university for Mitsuyuki Ikeda brings up 0 results.
As a matter of fact, ignoring a whole load of terrible news sites (the best of which being The Daily Mail) there's literally nothing to back this story up.
i love how the side bar cuts it off PERFECTLY meat created from human.... god so perfect. And uh the poor people can be fed that ok? solves that problem.
On June 18 2011 17:27 Kuja900 wrote: Hah finally all the environmentalists are going to be put to the test. Love the Earth you say? Love it enough to eat shit?
Most of them already love it enough to leave their shit in the toilet for weeks before flushing it down in order to conserve water.
Seriously, what is the big deal? Years ago humans cannibalised other humans in most primitive cultures although it is considered against ethics today. The French eat snails and Japanese eat whale penises. Non-Muslims eat pork (ohh the disgust and horror). It has been scientifically shown that the amount of bacteria and shit on the average computer keyboard is worse than a toilet seat, so technically you are eating shit each time you don't wash your hands before eating.
Do you even know what technically means? Because you're not technically eating shit if you ingest bacteria from feces.
Also, Jews don't eat pork.
I think it's great people are trying to come up with solutions to meet the demands of future meat consumption.
omg thats so disgusting I would never ever eat something like that, although saving our climate is important but man there are better solutions than excrement burgers
The best thing in the video was the pop-up box at the end saying "so will begetarian poop be turned into veggie tard burgers?" :D
On June 18 2011 18:58 101TFP wrote: This is one of those food horror stories that pops up on news sites every few months...
It's been around for ages, the earliest reference to this that I could find is from 1997...
So everyone relax already ~~
More like it poops up on news sites ;D
If it was possible, I'd wonder how long you'd be able to recycle it before the amount of useful stuff was gone, maybe it would be similar to Zeno's paradox.
Yeah I don't know, we drink water that someone/something has pissed in thanks to water processing/purification. If it comes to the point that protein is so scarce that we need alternatives like this to stay alive I will without a doubt. As long as there are no health risks.
On June 18 2011 18:37 LittLeD wrote: If it tastes good, then why not?
have fun eating peoples shit.
because you do know that fields are nourished by cow and human shit anyway?
I mean chemically it's the same thing, protein from your shit goes into the soil, from the soil comes soy or whatever vegetable or hay that is then fed to the cows which you eat. It's just removing the middleman.
I mean think about it, this actually makes humans almost self-sufficient. This could have major implications on the adaptability of our race. Major props to those guys. Bring on the poop-burger!
On June 18 2011 06:29 aike wrote: Did you guys know that a common ingredient in energy drinks "Taurine" is actually from Bull piss? (tauren + urine = taurine)... true story. Think about that before you discredit this idea
I don't know if that was joking or what, but...
That's not true. Please don't spread misinformation.
How about you take your own advice. Taurine is commonly found in teh small intestine, where urine is stored. Taurine was named after it's discovery in ox urine.
This would only have practical value if it was like 10 times cheaper than regular meat. But the guy in the video seems to indicate that its actually more expensive to produce than meat. So there is really no point in eating your own feces, even if your poor.
I don't think I would be able to make myself eat something like this. I do have some body building mates though who would be very much interested in the high protein percentage.
well once the population reaches a critical number where our earth cannot supply us with enough food, this would be an option even though there is a huge psychological barrier since in every culture excrements are considered as disgusting. (i.e. French eat snails,in asian countries they eat insects )
I don't understand people's overreactions. It's not like there is actual shit in the meat, it's synthesized from the proteins in human waste. It would be no different from any other kind of artificial meat as the source of the protein is irrelevant.
I'd imagine it's much more sanitary/less disgusting than most of the food you already eat. You'd get more actual poop from rat droppings in cereal.
If you grow grass in human feces, then let a cow eat that grass, then nobody would object to eating the meat of that cow. This is just a different way of extracting the same proteines.
It's just a bunch of dense, closely packed bacteria cultures grown in a lab. They got the bacterium from poop, so what? Poop is around 33% bacteria, 33% digested food, and 33% dead skin cells. They're just extracting the "good stuff" that we can eat.
When you look at the cellular level, cooked muscle and fat cells aren't going to be very different from this "bacteria brick" that they've made edible and nutritious. I say more power to them, if the cost comes down far enough this could be the answer to a lot of our 3rd world food issues.
If this mystery meat can feed starving people who would otherwise have nothing to eat, it's viable as a nutritional supplement and could aid in alleviating world hunger, but only if it can easily distributed to those who need it. As for those who can afford to eat real beef, I don't think they'd buy this stuff knowing where it comes from.
Also, from the sound of things, all you really need is a protein rich "substance" in this process. I wonder if this process could be applied to other sources of protein that are less shitty. Hemp grown in compost made with sewage, for example.
I think I need to go and read up on exactly how this works.
Above do not have the benefit of "shit recycling", I guess, but then I am sure there'll be much better and useful method of using the human excrement (like biofuel, as some guy mentioned before).
I don't... really see the point to be honest. You can only do it once probably, because once you shit it out again, there can't be all that much good stuff in it left. I wonder what a vegetarians standpoint on this would be.. On one side.. it's just poo. On the other, it's the poo of a man who ate an animal. Hmm.
This could be the key to solve the vegetarianism that's been corrupting so many minds since the 20th century.
Wait... Wait.... WTF?!?!?! OK I want to believe that this is a joke. And it's not hard to believe this when you pause at 1:34 you will see that the fridge is simply label'd "SHIT BURGER" Whaaaat the hellllllllll
On June 19 2011 04:38 Rembot wrote: It's just a bunch of dense, closely packed bacteria cultures grown in a lab. They got the bacterium from poop, so what? Poop is around 33% bacteria, 33% digested food, and 33% dead skin cells. They're just extracting the "good stuff" that we can eat.
When you look at the cellular level, cooked muscle and fat cells aren't going to be very different from this "bacteria brick" that they've made edible and nutritious. I say more power to them, if the cost comes down far enough this could be the answer to a lot of our 3rd world food issues.
No, it wont be. People don't eat poop. Even if you actually got starving africans eating poop, it'd be like "Here you go, eat some shit". It's just not good PR.
On June 19 2011 12:18 Arthemesia wrote: I wonder what piss can be made into.
Water.
The people saying that this is basically taking out the middle man (the cow) have a point, but I'm one of those people that eats food for enjoyment. I'm too old fashioned to eat some sort of pure protein thing, I'd rather eat a dry aged USDA prime ribeye steak. Horray for being a first world citizen.
On June 19 2011 12:18 Arthemesia wrote: I wonder what piss can be made into.
astronauts already use pee to drink in space through some machine IIRC. also, wouldn't this hit some kind of diminishing returns at some point? since you're eating 1/3 of it every time...and so on. Now i just realized...do astronauts poo and what do they do with it...what a thread
Things that instantly came to mind: Soylent green, Cannibalism (how people literally get holes in their brain and go crazy from it), disgusting.
hhahahaha oh shit
so this is fake?
what tv channel is that!?
Yea, I've been thinking this was fake too. I was following this thread at first but I haven't read the last ten pages or so.
I can't find any other reputable news sources commenting on this story. And Yahoo news is, imo, only somewhat credible. We also don't know anything about who made the video...what outlet? The video is just plain funny. I can't take it seriously so I'm skeptical at this point.
I also googled feces and burger and scientist, then I translated it into Japanese. There are some Japanese sources reporting this, but again, I wasn't clear on their sources.
tl;dr I think the science is possible and I think it is reasonable so long as it can be made cost effective. However, given the lack of reporting on this coupled with the fact that the video is essentially sourceless, authorless, and hilarious, I don't believe this is true,
Well I suppose I'm dumb for thinking this is real when I saw where this was already done. Two people mentioned "Yes Men" and here is the video where they present "shit burgers" as a solution to solve third world hunger.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZP_nNemsNT8 I guess I'm not sure if it's real or not still, but if there is a source that just doesn't end up linking back to Yahoo that would be nice.
Eat tasty stuff that you know was made from poo, and that represents a significant means of reducing waste.
or
Eat less healthy, somewhat more tasty stuff that comes from an animal that represents the most wasteful process that takes up a numerically significant portion of the world's total food production.
Provided the technology can be optimized, the environmental, moral and health choice is obvious.
On June 19 2011 12:18 Arthemesia wrote: I wonder what piss can be made into.
LOL I like to imagine Bear Grylls just poking his head into this forum like, "Whoa wait, what are we talkin about in here??" (he'd be VERY intrigued by the subject)
We live on a Planet that is vast with many different vegetation's, nuts, legumes, meat and many other edible things and people decide that we need to eat our poop to get rid of it.. no.
On June 20 2011 07:14 Spacely wrote: We live on a Planet that is vast with many different vegetation's, nuts, legumes, meat and many other edible things and people decide that we need to eat our poop to get rid of it.. no.
They're not eating shit, if you read the thread you would have known this, instead you skimmed it and posted.
Some comments in this thread just showcase the inevitable trait of humanity: reluctance to what is new. If you watched the video and read the description properly you'd know that all the "shitty" parts of the sewage mud had been removed, leaving only the nutrients. No fucking problem in that is there? It has the same organic constitution as the food we eat everyday, so why say "ew it's shit i'm not eating that". Get a rational mindset please, as it is required by your (usually) inherent sapiency.
It's pretty much exactly what i eat now, just from a different source.
Remember that burger your eating is formed from the meat off a cows ass anyway, but it doesnt taste like shit either.
Highly refined, any "fecal matter" removed, its just protein, and nutrients.
Get a grip TL..
LOL. Yeah, considering what we already eat and how it is produced.... can't be any worse can it? I mean we pretty much eat anything already so ... whatever. Depending on the looks and smell I might try it.
This is honestly the most disgusting thing that I will read all day. I can't believe someone paid to see if this was possible. Some things should just be left to the imagination.
I would totally eat it if nobody told me what it is, EVER! other than that, I think the psychological barrier of people eating their own poop is going to be extremely difficult, if not impossible to break down.
Burgers today are pretty much processed crap. This is kind of like the same thing except better for the environment. But realistically I could only see this doing well in third world and developing countries if they can price this meat lower than regular meat.............just dont tell then what it is
On June 20 2011 07:58 R1cE wrote: Burgers today are pretty much processed crap. This is kind of like the same thing except better for the environment. But realistically I could only see this doing well in third world and developing countries if they can price this meat lower than regular meat.............just dont tell then what it is
I had no idea that when I buy ground beef at the market it is actually processed crap. How enlightening!
Say the entire world started only eating this meat, and no actual meat. Wouldn't the amount of protein in the feces we would produce start to degrade after a certain amount of these "Eat poop meat -> poop -> process into meat -> eat poop meat" cycles? Thus impacting the quality, or quantity of the meat able to be produced?
Assuming this isn't some sort of hoax, I think it's fantastic. Although it is made from reprocessed waste, it is still made of the same stuff that we are and that our food is made of.
It is not made from poo, it is made from atoms and molecules, like everything else is. It isn't magically dirty or harmful once it has been through us. Remember, the matter that makes us has been around since time began and has been thousands of different things in the past, including other creatures poo.
Assuming it didn't taste like crappy reformed ham slices or so called 'cheese slices' but tastes like an actual good quality steak, I would be happy.
On June 20 2011 08:39 Okiesmokie wrote: Say the entire world started only eating this meat, and no actual meat. Wouldn't the amount of protein in the feces we would produce start to degrade after a certain amount of these "Eat poop meat -> poop -> process into meat -> eat poop meat" cycles? Thus impacting the quality, or quantity of the meat able to be produced?
Luckily, nature reproduces itself. This would be a manner of cutting back on the amount of farms and pastures needed across the world to supply our meat.
I'd also give it a try if they ensure me that it won't have any negative effects on my health. And if you can help saving the planet why not eating recycled shit. Sounds disgusting but eating rotten meat is way more disgusting I think..
I'd feed this to my pet, that's about it though. Lol... eating your own or another person's feces doesn't sound like a good time even if it doesn't taste bad.
I'd want to wait it out, it sounds like the exposition for a potential "thing"/zombie movie.
"They wanted to save the Earth, so they consumed their byproducts. Little did they know, the bacteria mutated into a substrain that spread like wildfire through the populace, deteriorating their mental processing and warping their minds into a mass hysteria of hyper cannibalism."
Or, gets into the water and brings the dead back to life a la Return of the Living Dead.
On June 19 2011 04:38 Rembot wrote: It's just a bunch of dense, closely packed bacteria cultures grown in a lab. They got the bacterium from poop, so what? Poop is around 33% bacteria, 33% digested food, and 33% dead skin cells. They're just extracting the "good stuff" that we can eat.
When you look at the cellular level, cooked muscle and fat cells aren't going to be very different from this "bacteria brick" that they've made edible and nutritious. I say more power to them, if the cost comes down far enough this could be the answer to a lot of our 3rd world food issues.
No, it wont be. People don't eat poop. Even if you actually got starving africans eating poop, it'd be like "Here you go, eat some shit". It's just not good PR.
Nice response, you actually addressed nothing in my post, just started moaning "NO, U WRONG" about one statement I made.
And people do definitely eat poop. Animals do too. You not liking it won't make it go away. We've been spoiled for the past few centuries, and when the shit hits the fan (lol), you better believe you'll be eating crap with the rest of the world if it's an option.
On June 20 2011 13:07 FaZe wrote: It's a hoax - google it
because of you, i did google it...but don't see anything showing it's a hoax? i even found a link to international business times?
Unless that's like the onion and is a fake newspaper??.
Edit: And Fox News?
Edit 2: Anyway, while i feel like i personally wouldn't want to eat it, it's definitely something that could be used to combat hunger in the 3rd world, if there were a way to make things substantially cheaper.
If i were faced with STARVING to death, or eating this meat, i'd definitely try the meat
Lmao. I like how at 1:34 in the youtube video, it says "shit burger" on the front of the container xD
But yeah, I don't think I would be able to get over the fact that I am stuffing my face with a substance made using someone else's shit. If it was my shit that I was devouring, then I might consider it.
haha at the trolls who "might try it" you know you would never eat steak made from your own crap, so why in heck would u even consider eating steak made from other peoples' crap? It's just really disgusting... But this whole article mentioned by OP Kinda makes me think of MacDonalds "meat"
Edit 1: How did they get the "testers" to actually eat the "meat"? Surely they only told them what it was after they had actually eaten it?
Edit 2: i have to also acknowledge that in most parts of the world, we recycle sewerage and use it for drinking water anyways...
Not sure if this isn't actually a hoax; I'll assume for the sake of this reply it is not.
We're breathing "recycled" air every day, we're drinking water that has passed through large numbers of digestive systems before, our cars/heaters/power plants partially run on fossilized plants and animals. Many crops are manured with ... well, manure, be it human or animal.
If this actually works then it just adds another step of organic "recycling" to the chain, which isn't exactly a bad thing. There are other issues with food most people don't worry about either and happily munch away their steaks, such as antibiotics in animal food or lack of hygiene in the distribution / prepation of food.
I'd probably be hesistant at first as well, who wouldn't be. But there are much more disgusting things considered edible or even delicacies all over the world.
On June 20 2011 13:07 FaZe wrote: It's a hoax - google it
Well it would be a better post if you just linked it instead of acting smug and telling people to google it... As for googling it there really isn't anything that can prove without a doubt it's a hoax, but there are quite a few who say it is a hoax. Like this guy:
But yeah the main reason this is probably a hoax is because the only source is the youtube video. The rest is just articles linking to each other making it seem like a genuine story.
This could start a chain reaction where each generation is eating each other's shit as they keep recycling it, I don't even want to think about stuff like that.
Soyland Green jokes aside, sounds completely reasonable.
If it tastes like beef, has the same nutritional values (or even healthier!) than beef, than it may as well be beef for all I care. As stated in the article though, price is quite the issue at the moment.
On June 20 2011 13:07 FaZe wrote: It's a hoax - google it
Well it would be a better post if you just linked it instead of acting smug and telling people to google it... As for googling it there really isn't anything that can prove without a doubt it's a hoax, but there are quite a few who say it is a hoax. Like this guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyRZdMBwojU
But yeah the main reason this is probably a hoax is because the only source is the youtube video. The rest is just articles linking to each other making it seem like a genuine story.
Okay, I googled a bit and found out that this story has already been reported in 1997 (!), which is probably the reason why everything looks so old. I found it mentioned in a book review in a SPIEGEL SPECIAL 11/1997. The book, which references this story is by Udo Pollmer, Cornelia Hoicke and Hans-Ulrich Grimm called "Vorsicht Geschmack - Was ist drin in Lebensmitteln?". Now, we could e-mailMr. Pollmer and ask him about the story and reliable sources.
I emailed Udo Pollmer whether he can confirm this story or have any sources for this and he replied to me. Basically he says that he has a patent from in between 1975 to 1985 lying around somewhere detailing how you can "fish something edible out of the sewers" but to his knowledge there is no technical application or usage of it. Now, if there would be any patent research savvy guy able to find a patent for this, then we could confim the authenticity. + Show Spoiler [original German reply] +
"das isn kuriosum. ich hab hier ein patent rumliegen, wie man aus dem Abwasserkanal wieder was eßbares fischen kann. Das ist in der tat eine ziemlich ekelhafte Story. Das Produkt ist natürlich als Stärkungsmittel für Krankenhausinsassen gedacht. Das Patent stammt - sowie ich mich erinnere - aus der Zeit zwischen 1975 und 1985. Damals hat man viel auf diesen Gebieten rumgeforscht. Meines Wissens gibt es aber keine technische Nutzung. Das war nur so ne Erfindung. Wenn die wieder Bedeutung erlangen sollte, dann einerseits aufgrund der günstigen Ökobilanz. Je mehr Scheiße im Essen ist, desto weniger klimaschädlich ist das Produkt. andererseits entspricht die Zusammensetzung menschlicher Fäkalien besser als jedes andere Produkt den Anforderungen der Ernährungsberaterinnen an einen gesunde Kost: kalorienarm, wenig aber wertvolles eiweiß, praktisch kein Fett, voller Vitamine, einiges an Mineralstoffen und reichlich probiotische Keime... Mahlzeit! up"
Well I guess we are all about to have a...(puts on sunglasses) Poopfeast420.
A bit more on topic though, i wouldnt eat it if i knew what it was, but im a picky eater even when its not feces based. But seriously im just a clean person, not OCD or anything but even in preschool finger painting was the bane of my existence, i just dont like getting dirty and theres no way i would feel clean eating it. Now you can go and tell me the grossness that goes into all the other food i eat ( a teacher in highschool tried to ruin sausage for me) and i may overlook it...but id rather just not know as long as it tastes good.
There is no reason to pull out the "solve the global food crisis" card, simply because we are producing enough food. It is all a matter of distribution and anything like this probably requires lots of energy. So its pretty moot for any country in africa or wherever ...
The REAL use is to create yet another source of food for the soon to be poor people in our "developed" countries like the USA, Europe or even Russia and India.
We really dont need more people on this planet and if some are dying then that is sad, but it is also a part of life. Life and death are inseparable and if too many people live on a piece of land that cant feed them some have to starve. It is the same for animals (when insects are in short supply due to a cold winter for example) and we have to respect nature and accept this fact.
On June 18 2011 03:57 mastergriggy wrote: My question is what would vegetarians think about this? Is this considered okay for them to eat?
Im a vegi and tbh, i don't see a problem with as long as they don't put meat in it. It's a difficult one though because it's not meat that your eatting so it is vegetarian but.... I don't think i'll be going to Japan to try some any time soon :s
what's disgusting about this? we spray cow shit all over our fields, which is used to grow plants, which is fed to animals which we eat. We're eating poop indirectly already. making the process a little faster with science isn't really to bothersome to me
We all eat hotdogs -.- does anyone really know whats in it, and since everyday we are eating anything and everything thats ever been on earth (shit, people) anything organic has been recycled this process is just a faster version of it, no big deal (though id stay away till it wasnt called feces steak or had that anywhere near the tag) How about, green friendly steak : P haha
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