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On May 24 2011 11:40 Zealotdriver wrote: Yesssss. Fuck all cigarette smokers. Smoking cigarettes is a rude, antisocial behavior. Smokers are disgusting creatures with no respect for anyone but fellow addicts. Allways nice to hear somebody call you a disgusting creature with no respect for anyone. | ||
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CustomKal
Canada749 Posts
I personally find it hard to breath around cigarette smoke and it makes my eyes water. Yet I have to deal with it when i walk anyway downtown because of it (I live in toronto). I seriously wish they could find someway just to stop smoking (which would only happen if a substitute to it is instituted that would take over the economic backlash from no cig sells, so pretty long shot of that happening). There is nothing beneficial about it and nothing private about it with the exhalation of second hand smoke. Find another bad habit that doesn't affect or annoy other people and it won't be such an issue. | ||
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Tudi
Romania127 Posts
There is nothing beneficial about it and nothing private about it with the exhalation of second hand smoke. You've clearly never had one after sex or a long day of work. | ||
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showBanquo
Sweden182 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + quite a contrast when I got home and arrived at CPH airport Kastrup, Denmark (where they smoke everywhere) before going home to Sweden. I'm pretty liberal in my opinions, and think that everyone should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it doesnt hurt anyone else. The problem with smoking is that it , at the very least , is annoying to other people and could even be dangerous. So well, a total ban would be too harsh but making restrictions and like partial bans in certain areas would be nice imo | ||
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koveras
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22256 Posts
I have a "live and let live" outlook on life -> so long as I never smell cigarette smoke or have to look at cigarette butts littering roads/sidewalks, I'm happy. I completely agree smoking shouldn't be allowed in public, save for designated areas. | ||
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OsoVega
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
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NeonFox
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Agathon
France1505 Posts
It's more respectfull for non smokers and people working in these place, i think it's something good. | ||
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Zedders
Canada450 Posts
Now it's always hardest drawing the line of how far to go with such laws. I'm sure it should be different for every town/village/city/county/state/province/country since there's a different attituide towards smoking for each area in the world. Not to mention a different % of smokers to non-smokers. That's the thing i hate about this world. Theres absolutely nothing that's black and white. Just grey areas everywhere. Only thing that's black and white is math and logic. Anything involving life is just too subjective | ||
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Zedders
Canada450 Posts
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SpaceToaster
United States289 Posts
 Its so nice....I'm generally opposed to smoking bans in outdoor, public areas. Outdoors, second hand smoke disperses much better, and any effects of secondhand smoke are minimized, if not completely done away with. Indoors is a different story, and public buildings should ban indoor smoking, however I am opposed to smoking bans in bars/restaurants etc. It should be up to the property owner. Not so much because I want to smoke inside, but because I feel it represses the rights of the property owner. I do feel that stronger means should be taken to stop smoking-related littering, half the battle is providing more accessible means of disposal in areas smoking is allow, and the other half is making it not worthwhile to not use those means. I have a lot to say about smoking laws... but most of it isn't related to this thread (mostly healthcare issues), but I think that smoking is a personal choice, and that you should be responsible for your body and your property. | ||
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oo inflame oo
United States286 Posts
On May 24 2011 17:05 Zedders wrote: People should be able to smoke. It's an industry and a choice. People shouldn't be able to smoke in public places where non-smokers are around, for obvious reasons. Now it's always hardest drawing the line of how far to go with such laws. I'm sure it should be different for every town/village/city/county/state/province/country since there's a different attituide towards smoking for each area in the world. Not to mention a different % of smokers to non-smokers. That's the thing i hate about this world. Theres absolutely nothing that's black and white. Just grey areas everywhere. Only thing that's black and white is math and reason. Anything involving life is just too subjective Or everyone should just chill the f out. When I see a fat person stuffing their face, I'm annoyed and repulsed (may sound rude but it is literally the exact same argument many non-smokers in this thread have made) and I think of how many lives they could have saved with the excessive food they put in their bodies. Over eating and obesity is a nasty habit that is the one of the leading killers in the US and costs extra billions in healthcare, but do I think there should be bans? No. Everyone should be allowed to do what they want, life is short, for the most part sucky, and it's the only one we have. I don't know why some people are so obsessed with worsening the lives of others. A guys enjoying a cig in a park-- are you really so god dam malcontent that you have a problem with that? | ||
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Zedders
Canada450 Posts
On May 24 2011 17:09 SpaceToaster wrote: however I am opposed to smoking bans in bars/restaurants etc. It should be up to the property owner. Not so much because I want to smoke inside, but because I feel it represses the rights of the property owner. and your property. I agree with you partly, but the problem with this is that if you are a property owner and you don't allow smoking, you will be losing a percentage of those that would want to come in and smoke. It's fine if they have smokers/non-smokers sections but that requires 2 rooms. I remember when a lot of restraunts here in Ontario Canada, used to do it this way, but I would still be able to smell the cigarette smoke regardless. So ultimately it would be the choice of whether to 'discriminate' against smokers and lose some customers, or to allow those smokers in, and lose some anti-smoker customers. I find it better if everyones just on even ground. However, with bars I feel like there should be Smoking bars, and non-smoking bars. I mean come on people enjoy a smoke with their alcohol don't they? | ||
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Zedders
Canada450 Posts
On May 24 2011 17:13 oo inflame oo wrote: A guys enjoying a cig in a park-- are you really so god dam malcontent that you have a problem with that? wat? no why would I be. I just said that it's too hard to draw the line. Ban in restaurants, ban in public transport areas, ban in the streets, ban in the parks too? where does it stop, where does it go too far. I was just saying that everything in life is like this. We'll never be able to draw the line on issue. | ||
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Randomaccount#77123
United States5003 Posts
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
only thing I'm against is when smoking causes second-hand smoke that affects those who don't want anything to do with it if it doesn't really violate that rule I don't mind if someone else smokes and would prefer that they had the right to (as if I wanted to do something that didn't harm anyone else, even if it was unhealthy for me, I would like the right to be able to do it legally) it's a matter of principle more than anything really edit: maybe I misread the article, but the thread title is a bit misleading if I did misread it | ||
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oo inflame oo
United States286 Posts
On May 24 2011 17:34 Barrin wrote: This thread is filled with 3 kinds of people: 1. People with legitimate reasons as to why this is a good law. 2. People without legitimate reasons as to why this is a bad law. 3. People who just don't like the law. I am profoundly with #1. #3 here | ||
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Onieh
Netherlands104 Posts
I'm completely in favour of a ban on smoking in indoor public places (non smoker) but outdoors is just getting ridiculous. Let the smokers smoke, why should the government tell them which habits to drop. And just leave the hypocritical argument out of it that health problems due to smoking cost the state shitloads of money. They always forget to leave out how money smokers hand over to them with the kind of taxes they put on tabacco. | ||
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