EPTSmoking Ban in NYC - Page 15
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
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Czech Republic509 Posts
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
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isM
United States735 Posts
On May 24 2011 14:07 Phayze wrote: Oh man, was at a gas station the other day, a lady was smoking in her car while her hubby was gassing up. Two guys like flipped a switch and started hounding her. I could not help but also be quite outraged that she was just nonchalantly smoking within 3 or 4 feet of flowing gasoline. I can see why smoking would be banned in a large city like NYC. The pollution is quite bad and smoke only adds to it. Many people dont like smoking, and dont want to be exposed to it. And they should have that right. But I also see the flip side, in that nicotine is addictive, and people have a right to get their fix. Guess it's just a tough situation. Cigarettes do not burn hot enough to ignite gasoline. | ||
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VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On May 24 2011 14:07 question wrote: Yes, a country where people are free to walk in the park free of cigarette butts and without having to smell others smoking.Well i heard somewere USA is free country... | ||
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Shagg
Finland825 Posts
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Phayze
Canada2029 Posts
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Xsoild
United States121 Posts
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thopol
Japan4560 Posts
Citing second hand smoking deaths is really stupid. I'm not acquainted with the studies, but I doubt that second hand smoke inhaled outdoors is significant at all. Think about all the crap that you breathe in an urban environment. There are also other ways of handling the problems caused by smoking. Taxes have been increased so much that it's kind of crazy to put further limits on smokers who are already paying more than nonsmokers for the same public services. An equitable policy could be putting all cigarette tax revenue into a fund used to employ street sweepers and buy public ashtrays. Also, while I understand having a group campaigning for 'nonsmoker's rights,' it just feels wrong calling it a rights group when they are working to impede the rights of others. I grew up just fine with no smoking bans. I don't remember ever sitting in a public park thinking 'damn, that guy over there is totally ruining my day.' People need to be more chill about this shit. On May 24 2011 14:14 VIB wrote: Yes, a country where people are free to walk in the park free of cigarette butts and without having to smell others smoking. I just wish it were a country where people were free to walk down the street without being bombarded with advertisements and car exhaust. I guess it's not quite that simple, huh? | ||
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Amber[LighT]
United States5078 Posts
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AlphaWhale
Australia328 Posts
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universalwill
United States654 Posts
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Andorra
Andorra64 Posts
On May 24 2011 14:00 Swede wrote: I don't think a law is needed here. Smokers just need to respect the wishes of non-smokers while smoking in public. Sometimes that means not having a smoke and sometimes it just means holding your cigarette in the other hand while you pass someone by. Would be nice if that worked, but it doesn't, so a law is needed. If smokers would get their act together and do as you said it would work, but thats not reality. And I know, each and every smoker in this thread is the most responsible smoker ever, but really..no. | ||
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
On May 24 2011 14:34 thopol wrote: I just wish it were a country where people were free to walk down the street without being bombarded with advertisements and car exhaust. I guess it's not quite that simple, huh? Yep people are working on it okay? One step at at time. Well advertisement isn't too bad it doesn't really kill you. Car exhaust on the other hand is a issue community as a whole needs to work on, it could possibly sort itself out though, we will run out of gasoline soon or later. | ||
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lofung
Hong Kong298 Posts
also if you make the ban everywhere convenient that would make the cost for breaking the law, i.e. smoking in prohibited places, be the same everywhere. and that would make indoor smoking a little bit worse in the country. | ||
MrHoon
10183 Posts
gah it pisses me off i hope this doesnt spread to Boston, because it will piss me off, ALOT | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
The other - stupid - way would be to allow smoking and to put extra taxes on cigarettes and such to fund health care research into lung cancer cure and to fund some city cleaners to remove the waste the smokers produce. Sure, this way there are more people who can make a profit from it, but our lives in general will be less enjoyable. Lets hope people adapt this way for all other similar problems in our societies like free Internet porn available to kids (just had a few 10 year old boys talk about sex and pictures on Facebook ...), pollution and waste (there are too many "throw away plastic toys" and excessive packagings which use up the limited resource of oil). On May 24 2011 14:07 question wrote: Well i heard somewere USA is free country... Freedom is NOT the same as being allowed to do whatever you want to do and wherever you want to do it. Rosa Luxemburg reminded her fellow leftists in Russia that "Freedom is always the freedom of the one who thinks differently", which should really be rephrased to "Freedom is always the freedom of EVERYONE ELSE." Thus if you are fighting for freedom you have to fight for someone elses freedom and if you start to infringe upon the freedom of anyone you have reached the limit of your own freedom ... In short: There is a limit to freedom, because you are not alone in the world and the society (= all of its people represented by a government) dictates these limits. The NY government simply has decided that the smoke coming from smokers infringes upon the freedom of the non-smokers ... | ||
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Mahina
Netherlands44 Posts
That said, I find it quite funny how it goes down in the Netherlands. When they introduced the ban on smoking inside clubs and bars a lot of people where outraged and protested against it, going as far as just ignoring the ban and risking the fine. And now I think there is an exception for small pubs run by one person or something like that, but still a lot of people are dissatisfied. The ban on smoking in the Netherlands, it seems, is nothing compared to the one being enforced in NYC. If that would happen here so many people would get their knickers in a twist :p | ||
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Sotamursu
Finland612 Posts
On May 24 2011 15:22 Rabiator wrote: Lets hope people adapt this way for all other similar problems in our societies like free Internet porn available to kids (just had a few 10 year old boys talk about sex and pictures on Facebook ...), pollution and waste (there are too many "throw away plastic toys" and excessive packagings which use up the limited resource of oil). Free internet porn is a problem in our society? What the fuck happened to parenting and is there some evidence to support that seeing naked people when you're 10 does some horrible damage? | ||
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oo inflame oo
United States286 Posts
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