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CurLy[]
Profile Joined August 2010
United States759 Posts
May 24 2011 08:58 GMT
#321
Wow now when i smoke weed on the beach I can't act like it was cigarettes...
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resilve
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom678 Posts
May 24 2011 09:05 GMT
#322
This breaks my mind.

As a former smoker I was completely respecting of the indoor smoking bans, I understand second hand smoke and that it should not be passed onto others who dont wish it to be.

But....I dont see how second hand smoke works in open air parks and beaches, even on the calmest and busiest day the smoke is going to have a neglible effect compared to inside even an empty house.

I dont get the litter argument either, why not stop people eating wrapped food outdoors too...why are smokers picked out and punished for using consumables outdoors.

I could believe such laws would happen in Europe, but I am amazed that such controls of civil liberties exist in America, where you are vociferous in your personal freedoms.
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
May 24 2011 09:06 GMT
#323
Smoking bans had already gone too far before this was passed. If you own property, you should have every right to dictate terms of activity such as whether or not smoking is permitted. If you are in a public place, you should learn to tolerate the activities of others which may cause you minor inconvenience. Smoking bans in enclosed spaces make at least some sense to me, but this kind of blanket ban seems like massive overkill. I'm sure there are plenty of people who smoke alone on a bench with no one else in a 30 foot radius.

It will also only be selectively enforced, as it should be easy to get away with smoking when no authorities are present. When laws are created which are near unenforceable and deal with victim-less crimes (sealtbelt laws, soft drug prohibition, etc), people are simply not going to respect them. This, in my eyes, chips away at the legitimacy of the state. Rather than try, in vain, to control every little aspect of our lives, I believe government and police resources should be aimed at the greater evils of violent crime.

I am a non-smoker, btw.
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
May 24 2011 09:20 GMT
#324
On May 24 2011 18:05 resilve wrote:
I could believe such laws would happen in Europe, but I am amazed that such controls of civil liberties exist in America, where you are vociferous in your personal freedoms.

This city ordinance has no effect on personal freedom.
Johnnybb
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark486 Posts
May 24 2011 09:20 GMT
#325
It's weird that you can't even smoke in your own car, I mean, it's a little violation of privacy. Surely it can't bother anyone if you smoke inside your car?
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
May 24 2011 09:23 GMT
#326
On May 24 2011 18:20 DaBoxX wrote:
It's weird that you can't even smoke in your own car, I mean, it's a little violation of privacy. Surely it can't bother anyone if you smoke inside your car?

?????? Where are you getting this idea
aDd3z
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany885 Posts
May 24 2011 09:24 GMT
#327
very good
you shouldn´t be allowed to smoke in public
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EvilTeletubby
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
Baltimore, USA22261 Posts
May 24 2011 09:29 GMT
#328
On May 24 2011 18:05 resilve wrote:
I dont get the litter argument either, why not stop people eating wrapped food outdoors too...why are smokers picked out and punished for using consumables outdoors.


?

I dislike seeing food wrappers on the ground just as much as I dislike seeing cigarette butts. I'm not sure why you tried to make this analogy... both are bad.
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Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
May 24 2011 09:32 GMT
#329
I approve of this. Personally I hate it when I am waiting for a bus and then some jerk decides to smoke right next to the bench, making me have to either go farther away or suffer from the smoke. I hope this will catch wind in other cities as well. No-one can argue that smoking isn't unhealthy, or harmful towards those who don't smoke as well.
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virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3599 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-24 09:42:42
May 24 2011 09:40 GMT
#330
Fuck health, I'll go have a beer with a cigarette.

Seriously: I like the smell of smoke. As a non-smoker. I really don't get the problem. (besides: "oh no, we're all gonna die if we're not living the RIGHT way.") that's just bullshit.
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MasterFischer
Profile Joined August 2009
Denmark836 Posts
May 24 2011 09:41 GMT
#331
Smoking is bad mmkay.

And by putting other peoples health at risk by smoking in their vicinity, that is even more bad.

Smoke only where it only hurts yourself, and i'm fine with it.
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PlaGuE_R
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
France1151 Posts
May 24 2011 09:42 GMT
#332
you guys do not realize how exagerated the whole smoking leads to death statistics are.

Cigarette packs say smoking is the leading cause of death worldwide...seriously? I'm sorry, but FUCK NO! CAR Accidents are the leading cause of death worldwide, followed by murder, followed by heart disease (which 70% of heart disease is less then likely to be caused by smoking) so yeah...

Cigarettes kill, yes, but they're not some mass murderer like the government wants you to believe. They wanna act like they're trying to stop smoking, but really they want an excuse to raise taxes on cigarettes to make more and more money.
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Kamais_Ookin
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada4218 Posts
May 24 2011 09:43 GMT
#333
On May 24 2011 18:23 MozzarellaL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 18:20 DaBoxX wrote:
It's weird that you can't even smoke in your own car, I mean, it's a little violation of privacy. Surely it can't bother anyone if you smoke inside your car?

?????? Where are you getting this idea
Read the OP.
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Phenny
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1435 Posts
May 24 2011 09:45 GMT
#334
Even though smoking is fucking abhorrently gross, this is a pretty disgusting removal of the citizen's freedom. The litter point is pretty stupid because as stated, there's enough of that from people eating and what not anyway. But really it's not as if it's hard to get away from if you're outside, like fuck you don't have to stand/walk near the smokers.
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
May 24 2011 09:52 GMT
#335
On May 24 2011 18:43 Kamais_Ookin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 18:23 MozzarellaL wrote:
On May 24 2011 18:20 DaBoxX wrote:
It's weird that you can't even smoke in your own car, I mean, it's a little violation of privacy. Surely it can't bother anyone if you smoke inside your car?

?????? Where are you getting this idea
Read the OP.

I did.
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
May 24 2011 10:00 GMT
#336
I'm a smoker and I still think this is a good thing. The harder it is to smoke in peace, the easier it will be to quit. This is one of those times where I favor legislation over personal responsibility, as addiction is difficult to reason with.
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JayDee_
Profile Joined June 2010
548 Posts
May 24 2011 10:01 GMT
#337
On May 24 2011 18:29 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 24 2011 18:05 resilve wrote:
I dont get the litter argument either, why not stop people eating wrapped food outdoors too...why are smokers picked out and punished for using consumables outdoors.


?

I dislike seeing food wrappers on the ground just as much as I dislike seeing cigarette butts. I'm not sure why you tried to make this analogy... both are bad.

The analogy makes complete logic sense to me. Cigarette butts are no different than any other litter so you can't use littering as an excuse to keep smokers out of open public areas.
Nightfly
Profile Joined May 2011
150 Posts
May 24 2011 10:01 GMT
#338
On May 24 2011 16:45 EvilTeletubby wrote:
Totally agree with this legislation.

I have a "live and let live" outlook on life -> so long as I never smell cigarette smoke or have to look at cigarette butts littering roads/sidewalks, I'm happy. I completely agree smoking shouldn't be allowed in public, save for designated areas.


And so long as I never hear screaming children I'm happy. Care to explain why your dislikes are more important than mine?
EdaPoe
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands82 Posts
May 24 2011 10:05 GMT
#339
Maybe I am a bit ignorant but would't it be possible for one to take the case to federal court for being unconstitutional? (the part of smoking in privacy -car/house etc-)
MozzarellaL
Profile Joined November 2010
United States822 Posts
May 24 2011 10:10 GMT
#340
On May 24 2011 19:05 EdaPoe wrote:
Maybe I am a bit ignorant but would't it be possible for one to take the case to federal court for being unconstitutional? (the part of smoking in privacy -car/house etc-)

That's laughable, I'd like to hear the line of reasoning preventing a landowner from adopting rules restricting the behavior of its guests.
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