EPTSmoking Ban in NYC - Page 17
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CurLy[]
United States759 Posts
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resilve
United Kingdom678 Posts
As a former smoker I was completely respecting of the indoor smoking bans, I understand second hand smoke and that it should not be passed onto others who dont wish it to be. But....I dont see how second hand smoke works in open air parks and beaches, even on the calmest and busiest day the smoke is going to have a neglible effect compared to inside even an empty house. I dont get the litter argument either, why not stop people eating wrapped food outdoors too...why are smokers picked out and punished for using consumables outdoors. I could believe such laws would happen in Europe, but I am amazed that such controls of civil liberties exist in America, where you are vociferous in your personal freedoms. | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
It will also only be selectively enforced, as it should be easy to get away with smoking when no authorities are present. When laws are created which are near unenforceable and deal with victim-less crimes (sealtbelt laws, soft drug prohibition, etc), people are simply not going to respect them. This, in my eyes, chips away at the legitimacy of the state. Rather than try, in vain, to control every little aspect of our lives, I believe government and police resources should be aimed at the greater evils of violent crime. I am a non-smoker, btw. | ||
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MozzarellaL
United States822 Posts
On May 24 2011 18:05 resilve wrote: I could believe such laws would happen in Europe, but I am amazed that such controls of civil liberties exist in America, where you are vociferous in your personal freedoms. This city ordinance has no effect on personal freedom. | ||
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Johnnybb
Denmark486 Posts
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MozzarellaL
United States822 Posts
On May 24 2011 18:20 DaBoxX wrote: It's weird that you can't even smoke in your own car, I mean, it's a little violation of privacy. Surely it can't bother anyone if you smoke inside your car? ?????? Where are you getting this idea | ||
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aDd3z
Germany885 Posts
 you shouldn´t be allowed to smoke in public | ||
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EvilTeletubby
Baltimore, USA22259 Posts
On May 24 2011 18:05 resilve wrote: I dont get the litter argument either, why not stop people eating wrapped food outdoors too...why are smokers picked out and punished for using consumables outdoors. ? I dislike seeing food wrappers on the ground just as much as I dislike seeing cigarette butts. I'm not sure why you tried to make this analogy... both are bad.  | ||
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
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virpi
Germany3599 Posts
Seriously: I like the smell of smoke. As a non-smoker. I really don't get the problem. (besides: "oh no, we're all gonna die if we're not living the RIGHT way.") that's just bullshit. | ||
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MasterFischer
Denmark836 Posts
And by putting other peoples health at risk by smoking in their vicinity, that is even more bad. Smoke only where it only hurts yourself, and i'm fine with it. | ||
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PlaGuE_R
France1151 Posts
Cigarette packs say smoking is the leading cause of death worldwide...seriously? I'm sorry, but FUCK NO! CAR Accidents are the leading cause of death worldwide, followed by murder, followed by heart disease (which 70% of heart disease is less then likely to be caused by smoking) so yeah... Cigarettes kill, yes, but they're not some mass murderer like the government wants you to believe. They wanna act like they're trying to stop smoking, but really they want an excuse to raise taxes on cigarettes to make more and more money. | ||
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Kamais_Ookin
Canada4218 Posts
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Phenny
Australia1435 Posts
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MozzarellaL
United States822 Posts
I did. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden5302 Posts
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JayDee_
548 Posts
On May 24 2011 18:29 EvilTeletubby wrote: ? I dislike seeing food wrappers on the ground just as much as I dislike seeing cigarette butts. I'm not sure why you tried to make this analogy... both are bad. The analogy makes complete logic sense to me. Cigarette butts are no different than any other litter so you can't use littering as an excuse to keep smokers out of open public areas. | ||
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Nightfly
150 Posts
On May 24 2011 16:45 EvilTeletubby wrote: Totally agree with this legislation. I have a "live and let live" outlook on life -> so long as I never smell cigarette smoke or have to look at cigarette butts littering roads/sidewalks, I'm happy. I completely agree smoking shouldn't be allowed in public, save for designated areas. And so long as I never hear screaming children I'm happy. Care to explain why your dislikes are more important than mine? | ||
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EdaPoe
Netherlands82 Posts
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MozzarellaL
United States822 Posts
On May 24 2011 19:05 EdaPoe wrote: Maybe I am a bit ignorant but would't it be possible for one to take the case to federal court for being unconstitutional? (the part of smoking in privacy -car/house etc-) That's laughable, I'd like to hear the line of reasoning preventing a landowner from adopting rules restricting the behavior of its guests. | ||
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