• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 17:48
CET 23:48
KST 07:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
The Grack before Christmas Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament
Tourneys
$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship $100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Recommended FPV games (post-KeSPA) BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft
Tourneys
Small VOD Thread 2.0 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI How Does UI/UX Design Influence User Trust? Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1134 users

A Simple Math Problem? - Page 31

Forum Index > General Forum
Post a Reply
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 33 98 Next
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
April 07 2011 23:35 GMT
#601
On April 08 2011 08:28 MajorityofOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:25 Tschis wrote:
So funny how majority of people count as 288, then most are studying, and then most see it as 1/(2*x), which is basically the contrary

//tx


This is whats confusing me O.O But I think I get it now.

The answer is to lose your whole f**king base.


Please look at the number of voters, and realize it was a poll added after the original post, and that the same signs are not used in both polls.

ECAEKAAA is my Chemistry Organic compounds acronym.
I'm not a fan of using acronyms to explain ideas. Fine for memorizing though.
There is no one like you in the universe.
jdseemoreglass
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States3773 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 23:39:11
April 07 2011 23:35 GMT
#602
x(y) = (xy)

z/x(y) =/= z/(xy)

z/x(y) = (zy)/x



O.o

Ow, my brain hurts!!!
"If you want this forum to be full of half-baked philosophy discussions between pompous faggots like yourself forever, stay the course captain vanilla" - FakeSteve[TPR], 2006
Aruno
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
New Zealand748 Posts
April 07 2011 23:36 GMT
#603
On April 08 2011 08:34 VALERO wrote:
are people voting the wrong answers as a joke? there's no way that many people could get 5th grade math wrong

You are lucky you were taught correctly, all I can say.
aruno, arunoaj, aruno_aj | Those are my main aliases
Monoxide
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada1190 Posts
April 07 2011 23:38 GMT
#604
This is pretty interesting.
Just put in the appropriate parenthesis imo. I answered 2 as well.

On a side note... about the 1/2x thing

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1/2x
Entropic
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada2837 Posts
April 07 2011 23:38 GMT
#605
lol what a shittily written and ambiguous expression (as many have noted already)
Clerseri
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia150 Posts
April 07 2011 23:38 GMT
#606
On April 08 2011 05:50 44Lunchbox wrote:
I guess this thread shows that American's make up most of TL.

:\

User was temp banned for this post.



When being snarky about another country's basic education, it's probably a good idea to know how apostrophes work... :D

Fantasy will be the next big thing in SC2.
MajorityofOne
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada2506 Posts
April 07 2011 23:39 GMT
#607
On April 08 2011 08:35 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:28 MajorityofOne wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:25 Tschis wrote:
So funny how majority of people count as 288, then most are studying, and then most see it as 1/(2*x), which is basically the contrary

//tx


This is whats confusing me O.O But I think I get it now.

The answer is to lose your whole f**king base.


Please look at the number of voters, and realize it was a poll added after the original post, and that the same signs are not used in both polls.

ECAEKAAA is my Chemistry Organic compounds acronym.
I'm not a fan of using acronyms to explain ideas. Fine for memorizing though.


So everybody who voted 2 on the original poll came back to vote 1/(2*x), but the entire 288 crowd is absent? ^^ Either that, or people are voting crazy
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
April 07 2011 23:39 GMT
#608
On April 08 2011 08:38 Entropic wrote:
lol what a shittily written and ambiguous expression (as many have noted already)


It's 0% ambiguous, but 100% a test of your understanding of math.
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
April 07 2011 23:40 GMT
#609
WolframAlpha reads y=1/2x as y=1/(2x)

but it reads y=1/2*x as y=(1/2)x
I am the Town Medic.
zJayy962
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1363 Posts
April 07 2011 23:40 GMT
#610
Honestly after taking university math for a year and a half I've gotten into the habit of seeing any constant times X as a singular statement so 2(12) to me is automatically 24.

This is definitely a syndrome of too much university mathematics =(.
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
April 07 2011 23:40 GMT
#611
On April 08 2011 08:38 Monoxide wrote:
This is pretty interesting.
Just put in the appropriate parenthesis imo. I answered 2 as well.

On a side note... about the 1/2x thing

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=1/2x


This is interesting..

1/2x

Some people see

1x
-----
2

others see

1
-----
2x

Are you hurting ESPORTS? Find out today - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
munchmunch
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada789 Posts
April 07 2011 23:40 GMT
#612
On April 08 2011 08:18 MandoRelease wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:04 munchmunch wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:02 Zeke50100 wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:01 munchmunch wrote:
[
Not due to laziness at all, actually. Granted, it would be incorrect to omit the parentheses in many contexts, but in any context where it can be expected to be unambiguous to the reader, it would be recommended to any mathematical writer to drop the parentheses for aesthetic reasons.


Being accustomed to the omission of parentheses doesn't make it right


No, but aesthetics can be a good reason.


Not in anything that does not involves advanced mathematics.
I certainly agree that you sometime need to lower your accuracy when you write advanced mathematical paper in order to make it understandable.

It is not the case for basic math like trigonometry and basically anything put on a non mathematical forum. For these, it's only lazyness because adding parentheses here and there would not make it any less clear, so aesthetics is not always a good reason.


Ok, I guess I should write a longer post on my thoughts on this subject. Recall that the original subject was about whether something like cos 2x is an incorrect statement for cos(2x). There is no doubt that it is helpful for beginning students to put the brackets in. And every student should understand that there is an unambiguous idea, essentially "perform the multiplication 2 * x and then evaluate the function cos at 2*x", which can be communicated unambiguously by adding the brackets. It would also be nice if people knew that this statement can be made so clear that a computer can understand it, although a computer might require something like "cos(2*x)" or
"(cos (* 2 x))".

However, none of that means that cos 2x is wrong! My emotion towards people who perpetuate this sentiment is similar to that contained in Stephen Fry's language rant. As long as the notation is understood, it is never wrong to write cos 2x. And it can sometimes be better to write cos 2x. In differential geometry, for example, if you add parentheses everywhere they might be required, the large amount of parentheses can impede readability.

This is not to contradict you; no doubt cos(2x) is a better choice for a homework thread on TL, for example. But that just means that other considerations are preeminent in that situation.
tryummm
Profile Joined August 2009
774 Posts
April 07 2011 23:41 GMT
#613
I'm studying Physics and can assure you the answer is 288. It IS NOT 2!

1/2x is (1/2)x or 0.5x

Good thing I got the rights answers.
kenwoo
Profile Joined August 2010
United States484 Posts
April 07 2011 23:42 GMT
#614
why does many people say BPEMDAS and got 2.... as clearly shown 2 isnt in the bracket so it is not affected by the bracket, and because multiplication and division is done left to right. its not shittily written... there is no trick in this question as well you just got the basics wrong deal with it and stop whining about the problem being so shtty
Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 23:47:32
April 07 2011 23:42 GMT
#615
On April 08 2011 08:39 MajorityofOne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:35 Blisse wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:28 MajorityofOne wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:25 Tschis wrote:
So funny how majority of people count as 288, then most are studying, and then most see it as 1/(2*x), which is basically the contrary

//tx


This is whats confusing me O.O But I think I get it now.

The answer is to lose your whole f**king base.


Please look at the number of voters, and realize it was a poll added after the original post, and that the same signs are not used in both polls.

ECAEKAAA is my Chemistry Organic compounds acronym.
I'm not a fan of using acronyms to explain ideas. Fine for memorizing though.


So everybody who voted 2 on the original poll came back to vote 1/(2*x), but the entire 288 crowd is absent? ^^ Either that, or people are voting crazy


Then you read the second part of my sentence, which says the same signs are not used in both polls. Ugh, read.

1/2x looks different from 1÷2x.

On April 08 2011 08:42 kenwoo wrote:
why does many people say BPEMDAS and got 2.... as clearly shown 2 isnt in the bracket so it is not affected by the bracket, and because multiplication and division is done left to right. its not shittily written... there is no trick in this question as well you just got the basics wrong deal with it and stop whining about the problem being so shtty


Grow up.

If you see 2(x+y), you think, 2x+2y. Same applies here.
1/2(x+y), some think, 1/(2x+2y), others think, (1/2)x+(1/2)y.

Internet notation does not work.

And I want to see the rule where they clearly say, go left to right. Also I want to see the rule where we assume 1/2(1+2) is automatically (1)(1/2)(1+2), not 1/[2(1+2)].

Some people see || as OR.
Some people see || as PARALLEL.

It depends how you interpret the question.

Arguing there's no ambiguity is senseless.
There is no one like you in the universe.
Nuttyguy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom1526 Posts
April 07 2011 23:42 GMT
#616
what was the answer to the questions then? the polls dont help since maths majors could still be wrong.

i voted 2 for the first question, and the second question isnt even worth voting for.
YejinYejin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States1053 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 23:45:17
April 07 2011 23:43 GMT
#617
Alright guys, it's a very simple solution.

If you're considering machine communication, then any computer or calculator would interpret 1/2x as "x/2." Just put it in your calculator right now. If I pick up my TI-83 and input "1/2*3", it will put the 3 in the numerator. That would be the "correct" answer if it's the context in which we are doing these math problems.

If you're considering human communication, where someone is just trying to convey a question to someone else, then the question asker must be more specific. Seriously, just add a single set of parentheses. He's being unnecessarily ambiguous.

EDIT: Ah, I did not know WolframAlpha did that. Then it that case, even machines will interpret this differently. In any case, I would add parentheses to be safe.
안지호
VoriuM
Profile Joined March 2009
Belgium83 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-07 23:46:28
April 07 2011 23:43 GMT
#618
On April 08 2011 08:25 Tschis wrote:
So funny how majority of people count as 288, then most are studying, and then most see it as 1/(2*x), which is basically the contrary

//tx



Not entirely, I assume that's because when you see 1/4(13213213+21312) you will apply the normal rules but for 1/2x you will assume it's (2*x) because it's lazymode.

Edit: I can assume not using brackets when you're lazy and telling something to a friend still wrong and confusing though. Aside from on the computer you will never encounter this problem, and in nearly every math program 1/2x will be seen as (1/2)*x though often they are even annoying and make you explicitely write the *.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
April 07 2011 23:44 GMT
#619
On April 08 2011 08:40 munchmunch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 08 2011 08:18 MandoRelease wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:04 munchmunch wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:02 Zeke50100 wrote:
On April 08 2011 08:01 munchmunch wrote:
[
Not due to laziness at all, actually. Granted, it would be incorrect to omit the parentheses in many contexts, but in any context where it can be expected to be unambiguous to the reader, it would be recommended to any mathematical writer to drop the parentheses for aesthetic reasons.


Being accustomed to the omission of parentheses doesn't make it right


No, but aesthetics can be a good reason.


Not in anything that does not involves advanced mathematics.
I certainly agree that you sometime need to lower your accuracy when you write advanced mathematical paper in order to make it understandable.

It is not the case for basic math like trigonometry and basically anything put on a non mathematical forum. For these, it's only lazyness because adding parentheses here and there would not make it any less clear, so aesthetics is not always a good reason.


Ok, I guess I should write a longer post on my thoughts on this subject. Recall that the original subject was about whether something like cos 2x is an incorrect statement for cos(2x). There is no doubt that it is helpful for beginning students to put the brackets in. And every student should understand that there is an unambiguous idea, essentially "perform the multiplication 2 * x and then evaluate the function cos at 2*x", which can be communicated unambiguously by adding the brackets. It would also be nice if people knew that this statement can be made so clear that a computer can understand it, although a computer might require something like "cos(2*x)" or
"(cos (* 2 x))".

However, none of that means that cos 2x is wrong! My emotion towards people who perpetuate this sentiment is similar to that contained in Stephen Fry's language rant. As long as the notation is understood, it is never wrong to write cos 2x. And it can sometimes be better to write cos 2x. In differential geometry, for example, if you add parentheses everywhere they might be required, the large amount of parentheses can impede readability.

This is not to contradict you; no doubt cos(2x) is a better choice for a homework thread on TL, for example. But that just means that other considerations are preeminent in that situation.


The problem is that cos2x is NOT equal to cos(2x). It IS wrong. It's not comparable to Fry's language rant at all, because there is a right and a wrong when it comes to math and mathematical notation.
AirportSecurity
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada34 Posts
April 07 2011 23:45 GMT
#620
LOL so many weak minded people in this thread

User was warned for this post
Prev 1 29 30 31 32 33 98 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 18h 12m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
ProTech192
mouzStarbuck 77
StarCraft: Brood War
Mini 121
firebathero 92
910 47
soO 14
HiyA 7
Counter-Strike
byalli1046
Other Games
Grubby6590
tarik_tv3944
RotterdaM282
ArmadaUGS211
Liquid`Hasu205
Mew2King110
KawaiiRice4
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick701
BasetradeTV167
StarCraft 2
angryscii 71
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• musti20045 24
• davetesta17
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Doublelift3247
Other Games
• imaqtpie5421
Upcoming Events
Big Brain Bouts
18h 12m
Elazer vs Nicoract
Reynor vs Scarlett
Replay Cast
1d 1h
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.