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Hey TL-community,
Does anyone else out there click, upon entering TL, the login button with a slight trepidation? Wondering, perhaps, if you've gotten a PM from a mod at some point for some post you've made? Wondering if you've been warned or banned for some comment or off-the cuff remark?
First some qualifiers...
First of all, I don't consider myself to be a trash poster. I think twice, usually thrice before posting. I use the search engine. I cringe when I read one-line posts, or trashy memes on TL, I don't spam crappy youtube links, and if I have a youtube link, it goes in the correct thread. I don't whine about balance in live report threads, I haven't gotten warned or banned before...
Secondly, I think the mods here do an absolutely fantastic job. Despite team liquid growing exponentially in the past year, and there being something like five billion active users on the site, the thread quality is great, and the nastier elements of the internets are kept in check-- if not barred at the city gates outright, at least lurking in the shadows and gutters, fearful of the daylight, and those who tread out to the main streets to spread dissent are accosted and executed or temporarily banished to the desert outside by the guards...
However, and I think here is the crux of the issue, I love reading the closed threads, and the automated ban list is an endless source of humour, and I think this is where the trepidation comes from, the question of whether the inquisition could turn on you for something that you hadn't thought of at the time.
Its like watching COPS. You get the morbid fascination of watching the mailed fist of the law break down the door, while the person-of-interest runs out the back, while simultaneously musing about how you're not too dissimilar from the guy on camera?
Anyone else?
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I haven't even gotten a warning in 7 years, it's not that hard to not get in trouble, so no, I have no fear at all
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Same as KOFgokuon, 7 years and not a single warning. As long as you aren't a terrible poster, don't see how you can be worried at all.
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All the time. I walk the line and sometimes I fall off on the side with no safety net.
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Be civilized,
Don't say what you wouldn't to be told.
Be relevant and say something worthy of typing out.
That's it.
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I've been banned before. I don't really troll, but I've posted slightly distastful comments or basically comments that could have simply been worded more kindly.
After 2 temp bans and a perma ban that I managed to have removed, I've been a lot more cautious about my posts, and honestly, if you're not deliberately being an ass, you shouldn't get banned. Just make sure your posts have substance and it's not balance whine.
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7 years is amazing, I didn't even know this community existed that long ago.
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Same haven't gotten a warning or a ban since I joined in 03' but there were a few times when I posted that I thought I could possibly get a warning/temp ban for.
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On April 02 2011 01:04 KOFgokuon wrote:
I haven't even gotten a warning in 7 years, it's not that hard to not get in trouble, so no, I have no fear at all
Watch the mods ban you for that post rofl.
But to OP:
Yeah, I kinda am sometimes scared to click the post button especially if I saw a lot of bans earlier in the thread.
I've gotten a few warnings, which did teach me to pay more attention to what I posted.
No bans yet, though!
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As long as there's at least some thoughts in a post, there really isn't anything to worry about. 
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I started out pretty bad actually getting a warning and 2 bans in like 30 posts :$.
But now i'm just posting proper stuff and don't start posting after some lame games in big tourneys 
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If you feel like you have this problem I'd look introspectively at yourself and look at ways you can improve your posts. We all know what the rules are and I don't think they are that difficult to follow.
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On April 02 2011 01:06 Slaughter wrote:
Same haven't gotten a warning or a ban since I joined in 03' but there were a few times when I posted that I thought I could possibly get a warning/temp ban for.
See, thats the line I'm talking about. thats EXACTLY the line I mean.
Its not the general philosophy, or general trend of being a good poster overall, its the stuff that you feel is valid, but potentially construable as 'borderline' to someone with a different worldview.
If that person happens to be a mod, then the weight of the institution comes down.
Thats exactly what I'm talking about, those borderline interesting cases that create the tension.
@Innovation
If you feel like you have this problem I'd look introspectively at yourself and look at ways you can improve your posts. We all know what the rules are and I don't think they are that difficult to follow.
True, but it misses the mark, this doesnt come from a guilty conscious.
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I've only got warnings for jokes things
and I got temp banned once which (actually twice but one for jokes) I don't think was justified
It's not hard to not be a complete asshole
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Don't want to get banned? Don't be an asshole.
Coming from a guy that got banned 3-4 times with a 2 week duration each time.
I haven't been banned in a few months now :D
But yeah, it's not like I'm trolling, it's like the distasteful posts that they ban for.
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I've been temp banned for snarkiness, so to protect myself I only post as rudely as everyone else does in a thread so I'm not an outlier.
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I purposely search for posts made by specific people out of slight fascination, at how can someone post such a ridiculous thing a not expect to get banned. Seriously though, Team Liquid is patrolled like the gates of Alcatraz, in a good way. Every post is read and every thread is checked for potential trolls and other such idiocy. The thing is, I think the whole community picks up on things before the mods get to them and they are swarmed on like pack of hyenas to a stray antelope, in order to keep things clean.
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If you fear you might get a ban for a post, don't post it.
I got banned for 2 days once (rightfully so, you should never post when in a bad mood) and i'm usually not scared when i post. The TL Mods are strict but fair.
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loved mods I love reading the ban list while at work
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Used to be you just got banned outright, there was no warning/temp ban stuff
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If you have read the TL 10 commandments, and post accordingly, why would you be in fear of a warn/ban?
It's actually quite surprising how many people get warned/banned in a day. Read before you post!
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LOOOOOL
I think you have a serious fear of authority Mr. OP. So many people make shitty posts and don't get banned. The mods usually aren't harsh unless you go out of your way to piss one of them off. Just relax dude.
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On April 02 2011 01:17 floor exercise wrote:
Used to be you just got banned outright, there was no warning/temp ban stuff
...back in thems days, they'd not only ban ya, but the banhammer'd come right out yer disc drive and smack ya upside the noggin fer good measure.
you young'uns got it soft these days. *cough hack hack*
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Sometimes when I see "This user was banned" on a post which was in place and not at all offensive it makes me cringe but it's not too often and if they ban me they ban me so meh, I don't worry about it.
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I was little bit afraid when I registered first because this looked like super serious forum, every topic had warning or temp ban, but its okay.
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On April 02 2011 01:23 Mortality wrote:
LOOOOOL
I think you have a serious fear of authority Mr. OP. So many people make shitty posts and don't get banned. The mods usually aren't harsh unless you go out of your way to piss one of them off. Just relax dude.
maybe, but I'm also interested in authority in general-- on the one hand how power asymmetries in any society generally lead to marginalization of specific groups or groups of ideas (whether for good or bad-- on the one hand nobody wants TL to turn into 4chan, on the other hand and on a more serious note political philosophies that run counter to power are almost universally marginalized, which is not always productive for a society), but on the other hand how absolute parallels in power structures are very rarely feasible if not outright impossible.
don't read too far into the post though. =)
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Have no fear Mr. OP, post away! The only time I've ever been banned is when I asked for it T_T. OH THE TORTUROUS DISNEY PAGE.
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It always seems to me that the mods award effort, I see plenty of posts that are incorrect or straight wrong, but they're wrong in a respectful way and even those posts can add to a conversation.
When I post I try to be as respectful as possible, even if I'm not 100% confident in the material of the post it doesn't appear to be a problem.
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On April 02 2011 01:27 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 01:23 Mortality wrote:
LOOOOOL
I think you have a serious fear of authority Mr. OP. So many people make shitty posts and don't get banned. The mods usually aren't harsh unless you go out of your way to piss one of them off. Just relax dude. maybe, but I'm also interested in authority in general-- on the one hand how power asymmetries in any society generally lead to marginalization of specific groups or groups of ideas (whether for good or bad), but on the other hand how absolute parallels in power structures are very rarely feasible if not outright impossible. don't read too far into the post. =)
Don't post too far into the topic.
I for one am very appreciative of the mods here at TL. They keep the forums very clean, and that makes me come back every single day for more.
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Proof read your posts before clicking "post" and treat others with respect. Follow those two and you can't go wrong.
There's no such thing as a bad question, but poorly written and bad mannered questions are just asking to be deleted.
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
I used to be scared shitless of getting banned. I read over my posts 3-4 times, and prayed that some angry mod wasn't going to snipe me. Things turned out ok.
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Do not type 1 word replies.
Do not flame.
Do not reply with a meme.
Do not use image macros.
Do not say "I'll probably get banned for this but,"
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I had to think twice before posting this this thread lol. In general the mods here do an excellent job, but there will always be instances where a warning or ban was handed out unfairly, its like being a referee in football (soccer) you have to make a call right there and then, without the benefit of later analysis.
I am sure sometimes a mod bans someone without reading their whole post, becasue i've seen instances where someone has stated somewhere in their post that they "read the OP" and included their opinion on the matter and got banned/warned for "not reading the OP". This is just simply going to happen at times, especially in a thread that needs heavy moderation.
I got a warn and then a temp ban a while back, at the time I felt a little aggrieved, but later realised that i deserved the ban, even if i didn't feel I deserved the initial warning. Even then, the reason i got banned, funnily enough, for "not reading the OP", when i stated once in my initial post and then once in an edit after i got the warning that I had read the OP, which I had.
The warning was actually for saying out loud that I had no time or want to read a 40 page external blog, that i had infact learnt everything i needed to know about the subject by reading the OP and part of the blog in question. I thought the rules here are to read the OP and understand the subject, not read the entire linked subject matter, perhaps I was wrong. I felt I didn't deserve this warning and therefore edited my post to try to convey what i actually meant.
This was then taken by another mod as "a refusal to read the OP as warned to do by another mod" and I got a temp ban. While I should have just taken my warning and walked away, I thought I was explaining myself, perhaps I was snarky, I don't care to revisit the post to check, I deserved the ban for "arguing" with a mod, which you can argue (lol) is what i did. However the fact that my ban PM didn't say "don't talk back to a mod who has warned you" and instead was for not reading the OP, i felt like perhaps the mod hadn't actually read everything I had written, only part of it, and then had banned me without really stepping back and looking at the situation and instead just had a reaction to part of what i wrote and dropped the ban hammer.
Like I said, looking back, the ban was justified, even if I don't agree with the reason. You will often find this is the case when you look back at a warning or ban, you will see that you did infact deserve it. There will be cases of an impulse or visceral reaction by a mod that result in an un-justified ban, but they are few and far between. Plus when you have a site this big, you can't ask questions first and ban later, you have to make sure the bad guys know they will be banned without the mod giving it a second thought.
edit: I forgot to mention I was once on the end of a mistaken ban. I made a post to setup my stream and about a day later i got a ban for "Don't make a stream thread and then send me a PM" which I hadn't done. The ban was intended for someone else, and I obviously knew that, but ofc I couldn't PM back the mod or post to get the ban lifted. When it was lifted, I PM'd the mod just to say "btw you banned me by accident" and got a very nice PM back apologising.
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I've been banned once (by request). Never warned.
Just behave and think before you post.
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I've been banned once without any warning for Blantant Sexism.
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Never been warned, never been banned. I'm always surprised how hard it is for people to remain warning and ban free. Simply read the 10 commandments, and be civilized in your discourse and you'll be fine.
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I've been temp banned and warned more times than I can count but I think I have gotten my act together lately since I don't get that many PM:s from the TL.net bot anymore
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I've never seen a ban that I felt was unjust. I generally only fear banning when discussing illegal file sharing, but that's it.
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On April 02 2011 01:06 Torte de Lini wrote:
Be civilized,
Don't say what you wouldn't to be told.
Be relevant and say something worthy of typing out.
That's it.
Listen to this man! He knows how its done.
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When I first signed up, I got temp banned and warned all the time because the forum I used previous to this was basically a troll fest. But now im a good boy and I havnt been warned in 2 months. :D
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Every time I get a PM, I think it's a warning. It scares me.
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On April 02 2011 01:34 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
I've been banned once without any warning for Blantant Sexism.
with capital letters. thats pretty Serious.
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speaking of trolling, Jibba just sent me a PM with the subject: Notification.
I laughed. he had me for a second.
should've known it was too good of an opportunity for a mod to pass up.
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I saw Idra's ban list he has like 10 temp bans and a couple perm bans lol. I never been banned so far on this name or the one I used for brood war 5 years ago.
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As long as you don't go out of your way to BM people, you shouldn't have to fear the banhammer. (:
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Every time i post on TL i feel like i am living on the edge Fortunetly i have avoided being banned for all these years, gotta be carefull.
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I decided not to post certain times because of it. It usually lets me calm down and decide that what I wanted to post wasn't worth it later on. It's a good thing when you're pissed off and it gives you time to calm down.
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Lol awsome thread. Once I got temp banned by the master himself - Nazgul. I'm very proud that my post was bad enough to rise even his attention
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On April 02 2011 01:37 Ferrose wrote:
Every time I get a PM, I think it's a warning. It scares me.
True. :<
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If I ever have to question the value of my post, I end up not posting it. Usually.
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I post this hoping my ban request got through and I won't be able to send it lol.
Other than that, no. The easiest way to get banned is to just post lazy useless stuff that's already annoying people around here. I mostly mean memes and balance whine.
I've posted some slightly aggressive stuff in General, basically telling people that not only were they wrong, they were so wrong they probably shouldn't post at all on the issue. Somehow I always got away with it
Worst I got was a warning for going off topic and "responding to a troll".
Can't say it was unexpected or undeserved
Common sense goes a long way. As long as you respect the goals of the site and those who contribute to it you'll be fine.
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Got 2 or 3 temp bans since I registered about a year ago 
But I think I'm doing better now.
My heart still stops for a second every time I have a new PM
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I don't think the mods are looking for reasons to ban and are pretty forgiving with warnings, so not too worried.
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Canada11349 Posts
No, I can't say that I have a fear of banning. But then I lurked a year or two, mostly because I had nothing to say but it did allow me to see the culture of TL. That, and ever since making my foray on to the internets, I've always tried to be a thoughtful, reasonable, poster. And I really didn't nor do I see how I could get banned or even warned for that. It's one of the reasons TL was attractive to me after coming out of a few hell-hole forums in the dark recesses of the internet: TL consistently and fearlessly bans dumb people making dumb posts.
The only thing I'm perhaps concerned about is making a thread and getting it locked- but I think that's the entire point. I have a few ideas rumbling around, but if I'm still concerned about it getting locked, then the quality isn't there yet. Better to think about the theoretical thread longer than to fire out a garbage thread that'll generate no discussion and clog up the forum/ get locked.
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The mods here don't scare me and that results in a new ban for me every few months. I'm a man of principle and I truly believe that stupid posters should be told that they are stupid posters. Or banned. But I'm not a mod.
Apparently wanting threads to have intelligent discourse is too much to ask.
Anytime I get a PM, I know immediately what it's about. No need to check anyway, it's just a warn or a temp ban. You get redirected straight to Disneyland's website when you get perma banned.
As far as the forum moderators, I'm not terribly impressed. They often seem childish and emotional when "moderating" (or censoring, depending on your pov).
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I got a temp ban for the following post: On September 07 2010 05:45 Phyre wrote:SourceBrian R. Wood, lead designer of Company of Heroes Online was killed in Seattle, Washington on Friday night in a car accident. He and his wife Erin were driving when they were hit head-on by 21 year-old Jordyn B. Weichert. Wood was 33 years old. His wife has been hospitalized but is in good condition. She is six months pregnant. Wood died at the scene. Jordyn B. Weichert, who was driving a Chevy Blazer at the time, is believed to have been driving under the influence of drugs. According to reports the crash was triggered when Weichert removed her sweater or jacket driving while on a 2-way lane. While she was removing it the front-seat passenger, Samantha R. Bowling held the steering wheel. During this Bowling lost control of the vehicle and swerved into the other lane, hitting Wood's car. Three other passengers in the Blazer were killed during the accident. Washington State Patrol...
On September 07 2010 06:34 qrs wrote:
IOW, this girl got the Wood, but she was Bowling in the wrong lane. which I still think was uncalled for...
but yeah, it's not really so hard to avoid getting banned or having your thread closed. It's true that mods are a lot harder on new posters, though, so you have to tread a bit more carefully for your first hundred posts or so.
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Never scared, I say what I feel and that has gotten me banned a couple of times but I usually expect it.
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I'm not worried about that. If your not a dick when you are posting then you have nothing to fear.
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On April 02 2011 01:49 Spettro wrote:
The mods here don't scare me and that results in a new ban for me every few months. I'm a man of principle and I truly believe that stupid posters should be told that they are stupid posters. Or banned. But I'm not a mod.
Apparently wanting threads to have intelligent discourse is too much to ask.
Do you happen to be banned right now? Just noticed you only have three posts.
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On this account I've only been warned 2 or 3 times. Once for posting "First", once for martyring and i forget the reason for my oldest ban. Oh well, at least this account is still ban free.
About my other accounts in the past...
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On April 02 2011 01:52 PolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 01:49 Spettro wrote:
The mods here don't scare me and that results in a new ban for me every few months. I'm a man of principle and I truly believe that stupid posters should be told that they are stupid posters. Or banned. But I'm not a mod.
Apparently wanting threads to have intelligent discourse is too much to ask.
Do you happen to be banned right now? Just noticed you only have three posts.
Of course. I only signed back up because of the lineage 2 thread. Otherwise, it's been made clear that the mods don't care about about the forums' intellectual value so I wasn't planning to ever post here again.
The funny picture thread is what keeps me checking in though 
User was banned for this post.
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Seriously just stay mannered and normal and its all fine.
If you have fear getting banned you probably already are a bad poster and shouldnt be here anyways.
I mean its not like TL.net mods are just banning randomly without a solid reason.
Behave like a normal person would behave in real life and yournot getting banned, its not hard.
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Hyrule19029 Posts
Of course I'm scared. I'm a jerk and a massive troll.
But normal people should be fine.
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Canada11349 Posts
On April 02 2011 01:49 Spettro wrote:
The mods here don't scare me and that results in a new ban for me every few months. I'm a man of principle and I truly believe that stupid posters should be told that they are stupid posters. Or banned. But I'm not a mod.
Apparently wanting threads to have intelligent discourse is too much to ask.
Anytime I get a PM, I know immediately what it's about. No need to check anyway, it's just a warn or a temp ban. You get redirected straight to Disneyland's website when you get perma banned.
As far as the forum moderators, I'm not terribly impressed. They often seem childish and emotional when "moderating" (or censoring, depending on your pov).
Your edit just made your post a hundred times worse by complaining about the mods. You may be a man of principle, but there's being principled and there's being a principled jerk. Which may not be your case, but there's certainly an attitude I'm picking up from this one post...
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I try to think my posts through. I'am not a coherent speaker or poster by any stretch of the imagination, easily losing my point. But I do try an extra notch on tl. Mainly to not look as a buffon because theres so much good posts and to say anything and not thinking it through would mean its a waste of typing ^^
I wonder how long I've been here, 2002/2003? did this exist back then? I think its been very very long O_o
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well ive been posting for a little while now, i dont post that often though... and ive only gotten one temp ban, although i dont think i really deserved it.
in relation to what was happening to the thread, the comment i made that garnered a temp ban was a bit over the top. i have had no warnings on my account, i made a stupid comment that insulted someone well-known in the community so i got a temp ban. i thought it was pretty ridiculous that i immediately got temp banned instead of getting a warning, considering i have no warnings on my account at all but eh, whatevs
as long as you try and post something constructive, nothing will happen... although i do think the admins are pretty overzealous quite often... but id rather have over the top admins than no admins at all, i guess.
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I made a meme post once and got a warning, I reread the 10 commandments again it will never happen again ><
I felt so ashamed.
Also had a thread closed once, but in retrospect, that was for the best.
I have the utmost respect for the mods here and appreciate the atmosphere they are trying to preserve on this forum.
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I realised that political discussions and opinions are not wished for in political thread here. It will get you banned, even without getting personal or insulting in any way. Ever since I indeed wonder "what are they going to ban me next for?", even though I'm usually a very considerate person on forums up to often beeing suggested as a mod on boards I'm very active in. I practically never got banned anywhere outside TL (exept for a single readmore 3 day ban for a balance complaint in SC2 beta in match comments).
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Austin10831 Posts
On April 02 2011 01:49 Spettro wrote:
The mods here don't scare me and that results in a new ban for me every few months. I'm a man of principle and I truly believe that stupid posters should be told that they are stupid posters. Or banned. But I'm not a mod.
Apparently wanting threads to have intelligent discourse is too much to ask.
Anytime I get a PM, I know immediately what it's about. No need to check anyway, it's just a warn or a temp ban. You get redirected straight to Disneyland's website when you get perma banned.
As far as the forum moderators, I'm not terribly impressed. They often seem childish and emotional when "moderating" (or censoring, depending on your pov).
What's your old ID? I'd like to investigate some of these unjust bans.
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I read this thread as "Fear of Baneling"
You really shouldn't be worried about getting banned so much that it keeps you from participating in the forum. From what I gather, the mods here are very understanding and don't unleash the ban hammer unless you post something that's clearly offensive or you're an obvious troll.
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i on my last ban and then i will get permad :>
altho some of my bans they just wanted to ban me because im so awesome.
<3 love to read the banlist
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On April 02 2011 01:37 Ferrose wrote:
Every time I get a PM, I think it's a warning. It scares me.
Yeah same here. I have a total of one ban and one warning (both were completely justified) and I've tried to clean up my act a little since then. I post alot when stuck at work though and it's easy to let work-related irritation get the better off you resulting in shitty posts. So far the mods have been merciful though
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Ive been banned once for being stupid (not reading thread properly + hangover = mani ban) and then one for a meme iirc
Im unsure i deserved the one for not reading thread (but mani was on a purge so I gues it cant be helped, and I havent been banned / warned for a half year soon so its going good =D ).
I been banned for something else, cant remember what though
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oh my fucking god, stop beeing such a pussy
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if you are scared to post a comment thinking its borderline, you are probably wrong, and shouldn't post it. just be a normal sc fan without elitism, and without a big mouth, and you'll be fine.
4 years and i'm fine
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On April 02 2011 02:07 phil.ipp wrote:
oh my fucking god, stop beeing such a pussy
lol....
well this just got more interesting
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I've been banned once since joining in 2008, and it was because I was posting in a bad mood. I don't really fear being banned because 999 out of 1,000, I haven't been banned. I think those are good enough odds to not sweat it.
However, I also lurked without an account for about 6 months and read the 10 commandments a couple of times before signing up. EZPZ.
And for the tiny 2 day ban that I got, I could not believe how much I need to be able to post. I still visited during the ban and came across 5 threads where I could have contributed positively and I couldn't and I started to have withdrawals (the bees are on my skiiiiiiiiiiiiin D= )
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I'll probably get banned for saying this, but martyring is pretty much an auto-ban on TL that a lot of people are victim of.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On April 02 2011 02:09 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'll probably get banned for saying this, but martyring is pretty much an auto-ban on TL that a lot of people are victim of.
LOL
Gosh people! <3
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For me it feels a little bit like seeing a police car passing by. I don´t recall ever even braking the Law once but I still get a little shiver every time. I gladly accept that "fear" in trade for the last clean Island in the internets. Thank you all you moderators =)
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On April 02 2011 02:09 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'll probably get banned for saying this, but martyring is pretty much an auto-ban on TL that a lot of people are victim of.
Why would you get banned for saying that? It's in the TL handbook, and also... Starting a post with "I'll probably get banned for this" will get you banned every time, no matter what.
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Canada11349 Posts
@ChairmanRay- I respect that you are willing to demonstrate by example I hope it was worth it...
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@phil.ipp, @Chairman Ray
I hope this thread doesn't turn into a flypaper for trolls, but that's not the line I'm talking about.
@Falling.
hahaha, and so far the thread has been red-free....
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I used to think it was a little too authoritarian to essentially ban people for speaking their minds, and in a way i still do. But for the most part i see it as "you're free to say whatever you want, but we're also free to ban you from our forum and nuke your posts if we don't like them", not really a bad way to look at it considering it is privately owned.
There are times where i think the admins are just a little too strict though, usually when it comes to balance discussion in some threads. Sure, if it comes across as "OH BS MAN FORCEFIELDS ARE STUPID" then ofc swing away with that banhammer. But if it was a decent well reasoned and thought out statement with no idiocy then i think at the most it should be spoilered so that people who don't want to read stuff like that dont have to.
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On April 02 2011 01:04 KOFgokuon wrote:
I haven't even gotten a warning in 7 years, it's not that hard to not get in trouble, so no, I have no fear at all
I managed without a warning for about 5 years or so. Then BAM! SC2 frustration hits TL.net (and me) and I start to get warnings and temp bans left and right (I'm exaggerating a bit here, but I did get my fair share of those).
Edit:
@Slix (post above this):
If you read the commandments you would know that there is no freedom of speech on TL.net and it's a good thing. Just as in real life there must be some compromise, either you have no rules and attract a lot of people, of which 99.9% have nothing interesting to say about (vide: /b/) or you set your post quality demand very high (vide: Flat Earth Society forums) and have very few people to work with, even though it's all quality content. TL.net is somewhere between those two, there's enough freedom for your everyday bullshit, bad grammar etc. but not enough freedom as to warrant blatant discrimination, ignorance, rudeness, impoliteness.
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Eh I've only been warned once, for something rather trivial. I think most of my posts are of quality, or at least not idiotic. However, for some reason, a few times I've been on TL while in a poor mood, and posted to reflect that, sure I was going to receive some sort of admonishment, however, none came. I think it's because the mods tend to look at your entire post history, rather than just the one or two you made on a bad day. I can live with that
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I'm pretty darn paranoid, I usually try to stay productive and contribute and re-edit my posts, but there's always a time when I get heated and argue. Now, I feel like it's a snowball effect, mods see the amount of warns and just continue to slap it on. Every time I get a PM it's a scary thing.
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I dont really get that alot.
I've been warned once because i told someone not to whine about spoilers in a fanclub thread (i think) for one of the people playing the match, which i still think is wierd
Just post stuff that you think is decent and you wont get banned. Most people who get banned or warned know that they messed up, it doesnt come at a surprise.
There have been a few times where i wanted to call someone an idiot or whatever, but in the middle of writing it i always realize that i'll probably get banned for it.
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On April 02 2011 02:09 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'll probably get banned for saying this,
So much win in one single thread, I love it.
I've been lurking since BW here and I do think that the mods have A LOT more work since the release of sc2. So even if once in a while a ban seems unjustified, we have to keep in mind that it's not easy to handle the surge of stupid balance QQ in each and every LR-thread.
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I usually tone down my opinions since they're too strong for most people. If I don't, I'll end up with a hell of a lot of warnings.
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Rofl this thread is homo dont get me wrong i mean i almost got aids reading all those fags blowing
User was banned for this post.
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If I wake up after a night of drunk posting I sometimes worry a bit. I have certainly deserved a ban in the past, but the worst of my drunk posting has only warranted me a warning so far. I think my posting is improving a bit and I haven't seen a ban yet, so I don't worry about it at all.
I do love the ban list and thread. The skill of the mods keeps the place clean and provides entertainment as well.
EDIT: It's barely related, but if you search for 'wedgie' there is one result and it will give you a chuckle.
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Basically just don't act like an ass, don't say stupid shit, and use the search function... Thats your best bet. It's really not hard to stay out of trouble!
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Don't act out of line, and you'll be fine. You get more leniency as you gain more seniority, though this is not without bounds.
Basically, to quote Hank Hill, "don't act like an idiot".
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The mods used to be more lenient, you should some of the threads from 5 years ago :D. Around the time SC2 beta came out, TL got a huge influx of new members and I guess the only way to ensure good behavior was to wield the banhammer more freely.
As for me I'm not afraid of a ban because I don't argue over stupid shit and don't troll people.
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Mods here aren't retarded.
So my answer is no, I am not afraid.
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Treat forum posting like having a conversation in real life. Don't be a dick. Don't be an attention whore. Don't mindlessly repeat what others have already said. People get in trouble when they take the anonymity of the internet for granted and break the basic rules of civility that people expect from each other.
If anything TL is teaching you how to act like a normal person whereas most of the internet teaches you how to be a douchebag.
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If I ever see a 1 new pm! logo, I cringe in fear that I was warned for something I don't understand, which happened before, but now I understand it. Still, there are many minor infringements that are excluded from the Tl commandments.
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@caradoc
no offense, but with all what is going on in the world you are afraid of a warning on TL?
you should seriously check your life priorities ..
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I was temp banned once. About 15 minutes after I had posted, I realized my mistake, and went to go edit it out. The Mods beat me to it... I also had one warning, but idr what that was for.
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Abide the Rules and you are "relativly"safe ^^
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I got banned once for a post that absolutely deserved punishment (see my sig), but, to be honest, was hilarious enough it was probably worth it.
So... I've been banned, and I have no fear of getting banned, because I know what's over the line and that I'll most likely deserve it if it happens.
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I got a temp ban, but for a good reason, so here are few tips how not to get banned:
Dont post anything offensive
Dont post 1 line posts
Dont post anything stupid
Dont post in all caps
Dont post really stupid memes as your one line post
and most importantly;
Dont ask for it.
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I love the mods on this site. The volume of retardedness they keep out is really, honest-to-god, remarkable
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I never really worry about getting banned because I never do something that would require me to get banned and I feel that all my post are appropriate and not just random span.
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I've no fear of being banned. If there is a discussion I'd like to comment on, of course I'm going to think my post through so that I can clearly convey my message. Granted, I don't post too frequently (I think I have like 1.8 posts per day or something like that) but have recently started posting a bit more.
IIRC, I've been "warned" once but it was simply because the mod read my comment before thoroughly reading the OP and thought my post was completely off-topic. He PM'd me later and apologized for the false warning.
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I agree. I've been warned and tempbanned several times (t.t) but looking back it was fair. I usually go into a thread that isn't meant for me and start telling the people they are bad that they do something etc. Keep it up
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I've yet to be warned, however I've exercised extreme caution when posting on these forums.
I find these forums to be more knowledge oriented than entertainment oriented. When I feel like a laugh or if I want to kick my shoes off, I'll visit the less morally attractive sites on the web.
Nothing wrong per se about TL's rules. It will deter many from posting, and often times it might keep a small portion of people who want to be a part of the community from engaging with others, but for the most part, it helps to maintain the demographic here and I enjoy that.
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Canada7170 Posts
Bah, I was hoping Christmas came early.
And I have to agree with Kennigit, I used to proofread my posts 3-4 times. Now it's just 1-2 times
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just stay away from racism, lol
i got warned once and banned once.
i wont say who warned me, but rekrul banned me for calling someone an albino... after he had already warned me =(
so yea... racism = Nonono~!!!!!
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Honestly, I've stayed relatively safe since most of my posts come in one or two threads anyway (hello fighting game thread people). Had a topic closed though (that one time I didn't use the search function first, but no biggie)
Common sense, being polite, reading the rules and there's really nothing to fear. The mods here as far as I've seen are actually better than most of the sites I go to anyway so if I get banned or warned, I probably deserved it.
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On April 02 2011 01:37 caradoc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 01:34 XiaoJoyce- wrote:
I've been banned once without any warning for Blantant Sexism. with capital letters. thats pretty Serious.
Aha how did u noe it is all in Caps. You check the Banlist forum?
Ah, what bad experience.
Serious, I am a Sexist by accident.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=200336¤tpage=39#772
If KellyMILKIES is a guy, and my sentence will become let the other man do the talking, and I will not be ban.
That day I am so happy some1 pm me.
The moment I open the pm, I am so sad.
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I was once warned for criticising Israel and anyone who supports them. And I have been banned in both of the big ban waves, the beta roulette and the Kelly disaster. To be quite honest I didn't expect it at all with the exception I suppose of beta roulette, but that was pretty hilarious. I don't fear being banned generally because most of my posts consist of AHHHHHHHHHHH (Insert awesome player here) HWAITING!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and other hype in LR threads xD. That and TL mods are generally awesome.
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No, I've been warned maybe twice and I've been posting here for a long time. I think the rules are pretty simple to understand if you read the 10 commandments and aren't an idiot.
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United States24665 Posts
The fear of moderating unjustly is worse than the fear of getting punished by a moderator (in my experience at least).
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Evilteletubby and my AMAAAAZZINNG BLOGS oh boy those were GREAT TIMES
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I bumped a old Vindictus thread yesterday and that little box came up and said "The last post in this thread is over 2 months old are you sure you want to bump this"
It was the only time I was really apprehensive about a post. But basically I try and stay low key, stay out of balance/cheese/lag whine and I have been safe so far, but I am just now hitting a year here.
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Its easy not to get warned/banned. Follow the TL.net Ten Commandments and you should never have to worry.
On April 02 2011 02:58 LanTAs wrote:
I got a temp ban, but for a good reason, so here are few tips how not to get banned:
Dont post anything offensive
Dont post 1 line posts
Dont post anything stupid
Dont post in all caps
Dont post really stupid memes as your one line post
and most importantly;
Dont ask for it.
I always facepalm whenever I see a post starting with "I will probably get banned for this..." and lo and behold I scroll down just to see "user has been banned for this post" in all red every time. But it still doesnt stop people from doing it :\
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As long as you write in a nice and polite way and follow the rules, then its very hard to get ban. TL was a lot stricter waay waaaay back in history and the fear of the banhammer was absolute. But now , meh just be nice and you are ok. If you get a warning, its just TL staff giving you another chance to be a better person
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Never been afraid because I think before posting anything. Simple and effective.
One good advice I can give you is to have in your mind the TL Ten Commandments when posting. With them you can never go wrong. ^^
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got 1 warning so far, totally worth it though. i think its pretty hard to get banned, even if you break the rules from time to time if you think something just has to be said you will be fine. its just the people who have about 10 total posts, of which 5 involve some nazi reference that tend to make up most of the banned list
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United States12235 Posts
It's so easy to get banned or warned but it's even easier to not get banned. All you have to do is a) keep the dumb 4chan memes off the forum, b) don't post image macros, c) don't flame or insult people especially if it's baseless, because arguments can always be presented in a rational manner and justified, and d) put actual effort into posts that contribute to the discussion or inform a user.
And of course, don't martyr yourself, because that's just dumb. If you think you're going to get banned for something, the one way to guarantee it is to say that in your post.
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On April 02 2011 04:41 EdSlyB wrote:Never been afraid because I think before posting anything. Simple and effective. One good advice I can give you is to have in your mind the TL Ten Commandments when posting. With them you can never go wrong. ^^
Pretty much this. As long as you follow the rules you shouldn't have anything to be worried about haha... I hope. Don't really post much, but when I do it's usually okay.
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nope
temp banned for stupid comments but it was for a stupid thread imo.
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Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
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I type out lots of posts, I very rarely click "Post" afterwards. I've been warned twice, once by Manifesto simply because he didn't agree with my opinion when I was trying to help someone with their decision to purchase a laptop. Now I see why IdrA doesn't get along with the guy.
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I have been warned 2 times. Once because I said something about the balance of a unit, the other I said something about a zerg stop crying. Now I just got a warning for having "Lessons" in my stream. I really hope that others got warned also. Even the featured ones, I checked some of the streams and I dont see any lessons on anyones so I hope it was for everyone. :D
I dont post enough to be scared of being banned. I just read what other says.
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On April 02 2011 01:16 Blasterion wrote:
loved mods I love reading the ban list while at work
u sick fuck!! :p
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TL moderates things the way the rest of message boards should.
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Been banned a few times over the last 8+ years. We used to just have Rek get on drunk and ban a few dozens every other weekend it seems. Now it's just a million warnings and tempt bans.
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I've been banned once, for two threads about Day9 in the Shortys. Coming from The Flood in the Bungie Forums (which I still frequent), I didn't know better, but it was a totally fair ban, those threads didn't encourage discussion, and were pretty much spam. I DO wish, however, that there was a BIG popup if you have been warned, I was warned on the Bungie Forums for a thread I made a month earlier, and the only popup on TL I've seen (which is admittedly not a lot of experience) is when it was too late and I was already banned.
I feel really bad of having this blemish on my profile, but now it will prevent me from making anymore bad posts!
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Its been 7 years and I'm just starting to not be a shitty poster.
I have been shown a good amount of kindness.
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What happens when you get a warning anyways? Do you get a pm with an explanation?
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The first thing to remember,regarding not getting banned is not saying everything that is on your mind.
If u don't like someone, try not to post your opinion on them if it's highly negative.
Even if that makes me sound kind of false,doesn't matter.
So as others have said,try to be nice or at least pretend to be nice .
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United States24665 Posts
On April 02 2011 04:58 clusen wrote:
What happens when you get a warning anyways? Do you get a pm with an explanation?
Yes. You get a pm and also a record of it is added to your account. Staff can see what you have been warned for in the past.
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On April 02 2011 04:46 Excalibur_Z wrote:
It's so easy to get banned or warned but it's even easier to not get banned. All you have to do is a) keep the dumb 4chan memes off the forum, b) don't post image macros, c) don't flame or insult people especially if it's baseless, because arguments can always be presented in a rational manner and justified, and d) put actual effort into posts that contribute to the discussion or inform a user.
And of course, don't martyr yourself, because that's just dumb. If you think you're going to get banned for something, the one way to guarantee it is to say that in your post.
Can you please elaborate more on MARTYR'ing thing, so I don't sound like a baseless argument idiot when talking about this?
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On April 02 2011 04:58 Akash wrote:The first thing to remember,regarding not getting banned is not saying everything that is on your mind. If u don't like someone, try not to post your opinion on them if it's highly negative. Even if that makes me sound kind of false,doesn't matter. So as others have said,try to be nice or at least pretend to be nice .
But this is the forums, where I should be able to express how I feel about someones comment, even if its a mean mean mean thing to say.. I am trying to stab that person in the heart or make him cry.. THIS IS THE POINT OF THE INTERNET U DUMB MUTHA.. lol JK but I think you get my point. Everyone has such a different personality that some ppl need to be banned when they say that, but others are really making a great argument and get banned for no reason. Those are the ones we need to fix. :D
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In Canada we don't have complete free speech laws and I prefer it that way; hate speech of any kind is strictly illegal, on a criminal level. I like that some forums act the same way. Of course things like slander and the like are "illegal" too, but they aren't criminal.
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Hyrule19029 Posts
I've decided to put together some charts for everybody. These are based off of my own observations and should be taken with a grain of salt.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/XfnSn.png)
First up, the "What you post" chart. As you can see, it's quite easy to get banned. As you can also see, there are conflicting points. For instance, memes (in image form) and image macros are totally acceptable, in fact they are required, in the image thread, while elsewhere you will get banned for them. There's also the obvious martyring and flaming and such as well.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/6oxEp.png)
Next up is the "Where you post" chart. This is a combination of forums, thread types, and even a specific thread. Obviously, if you've got a thread in the closed forum, you've got a good chance at being banned as well. SC2 Strategy is easily the easiest place to get banned. Even looking at it wrong can get you a warning.
![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/i8egs.png)
And finally, the "Post count" chart. This one should be self explanatory. Newer people stand a decent chance at being banned, what with TL being so much different from the rest of the internet. Although, the longer you're here (ie: more posts) the more you get to know how TL works your chance goes down a bit until right around 1000 posts where you're like "pffft fuck that I'll only get warned for this, I have a thousand posts!" and then you get banned and you're like OKAY and you really do clean up and become a decent member of society. Then you hit 10000 posts and there's 1 of 3 things that happens.
1. You're fana, in which case you're gone
2. You're suddenly expected to act like some kind of example and even a simple typo gets you 30 days
4. What happened to 3?
Finally, there's what I call the iNcontroL Point. While technically not a number, if you can manage to attain a post count of iNcontroL you can literally do whatever you want and not even Zeus would be able to ban you. To date, this has only been acheived by iNcontroL, despite konadora's best attempts.
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I think TL is pretty fair. Mods tend to go with poster trends more before banning. That aside, if the post is purely garbage it does warrant a ban.
Read the Rules follow and if you get banned just don't do it again. This is internet, you wont die if you get banned.
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I've gotten two warnings, one was because I wanted to be cool and post a stupid one-liner (probably a meme like "+1" or "QFT" after a long quote), and the other was because I didn't really contribute to the conversation other than to poke fun at someone in a debate thread. Never been banned.
Very immature posts, and I've since learned my lesson. It's not that hard to be smart about it.
The moderators are definitely fair.
But whenever I get a PM, I definitely get worried for just a second... until I open it and realize it's not another warning Phew!
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Not so much, I hardly post and if I do I make sure they aren't at least total crap posts or trying to start any flame war or anything. 3 years and I've only had one warning, so really it's not that bad. Just don't be a dumb crap poster like "LOLUMADBRO?" or some stupid shit like that and you're in the clear =D
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Hyrule19029 Posts
On April 02 2011 05:01 DayJP wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 04:46 Excalibur_Z wrote:
It's so easy to get banned or warned but it's even easier to not get banned. All you have to do is a) keep the dumb 4chan memes off the forum, b) don't post image macros, c) don't flame or insult people especially if it's baseless, because arguments can always be presented in a rational manner and justified, and d) put actual effort into posts that contribute to the discussion or inform a user.
And of course, don't martyr yourself, because that's just dumb. If you think you're going to get banned for something, the one way to guarantee it is to say that in your post. Can you please elaborate more on MARTYR'ing thing, so I don't sound like a baseless argument idiot when talking about this?
Martyring is when you say "I'll (probably) get banned for this..." or "Ban me, I don't care" etc somewhere in your post (oh god don't ban me!). Numerous mods have said as soon as they see those words they stop reading and just ban the person.
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On April 02 2011 05:07 tofucake wrote:
Martyring is when you say "I'll (probably) get banned for this..." or "Ban me, I don't care" etc somewhere in your post (oh god don't ban me!). Numerous mods have said as soon as they see those words they stop reading and just ban the person.
It's even under some point in the 10 commandments, so everyone who read them should know this.
And thx to micronesia
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Not really then again I have been nice to the TL Bot lately so there really is no reason for me to have a PM waiting for me.
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Does this really deserve a thread? What are you afraid of if you think before you post?
I think the mods do an excellent job of sorting out what is ban-worthy and what is not. As long as you think about what you're saying, even if your opinion isn't popular, you won't get banned
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I love the way this forum works. It's the only well-moderated forum on the Internet, imo. As long as you're not a total asshat, you don't have anything to worry about. The mods seem to take a user's entire post history into account when making decisions, which I think is a solid move.
When I make snipy or condescending posts at someone who I think deserves it, I don't worry about getting banned, because:
1) I'm not a a total asshat who types in caps or calls people fags
2) my overall post history shows an honest effort at being a good member of TL society.
In my entire time here I've gotten 1 warning for calling someone a troll.
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pretty much I care now after being banned for 1 week because of the July's Diet thread -_-
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11589 Posts
I think if you're not an idiot, you won't get banned. This site states very clearly what it expects from posters, and if you can't follow those guidelines, you don't belong here. There's very little left open for interpretation, and you should easily be able to avoid getting warned or banned as long as you hesitate before posting something questionable.
I've been on the edge of posting some really inflammatory things before, but I thought, "Is it really worth it to tell some idiot off in the face of being banned from such a great community?" Of course not. Think before you post, and you won't get banned.
If you're afraid of being banned, even though you feel you're a good poster, then you're just being unnecessarily paranoid. The mods (for the most part) are not assholes, and ban people within reason. That being said, I actually feel they should be harsher, but I'm also a no-nonsense type of person.
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Hyrule19029 Posts
On April 02 2011 05:13 CarlyZerg wrote:
I love the way this forum works. It's the only well-moderated forum on the Internet, imo. As long as you're not a total asshat, you don't have anything to worry about. The mods seem to take a user's entire post history into account when making decisions, which I think is a solid move.
When I make snipy or condescending posts at someone who I think deserves it, I don't worry about getting banned, because:
1) I'm not a a total asshat who types in caps or calls people fags
2) my overall post history shows an honest effort at being a good member of TL society.
In my entire time here I've gotten 1 warning for calling someone a troll.
For some of us who came from the world of Counter-Strike (for example, me), it was a long, hard journey before I was able to make quality posts. Yes, common sense dictates that nobody should have any problem sticking around and having fun. But if common sense were really so common we wouldn't have the Automated Ban List.
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On April 02 2011 05:11 0mgVitaminE wrote:
Does this really deserve a thread? What are you afraid of if you think before you post?
I think the mods do an excellent job of sorting out what is ban-worthy and what is not. As long as you think about what you're saying, even if your opinion isn't popular, you won't get banned
I think it is more about when you aren't certain. It might be relevant. It might not. Does your fear of a warning/ban mean you don't post that?
In my case it means I won't post it, so I am afraid. ^^
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Never been warned yet. Honestly, it's not that hard. 99% of the time, the people who get banned are simply idiots who don't read the OP, make trash post/threads that anyone with common sense would know not to do, or are blatant trolls. It's really not hard to keep a clean record.
If anything, the mods are more lenient now. Lots of banworthy posts in the past would simply just be warned nowadays.
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Getting banned means no posting. I don't post much anyway... It's not much to fear imo.
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to be afraid to say anything is stupid when there are trolls trying to test their limits. odds are your post will be fine. sure, some people don't deserve it. they meet wrong mod on the wrong day but its not like they bill you if you get banned.
just take a vacation. sheesh.
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What is this login button you speak of? I'm logged on 24/7
If you fear getting banned, then dont make shitty posts.
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Best advice might be: Don't post here when you feel you're in a foul mood. There's nothing worse than the stuff that comes out of an angry person's mind, hidden behind the wall of anonymity.
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I'm not scared of being banned, I'm sometimes scared of being warned though, because sometimes I tend to post a oneliner. Also I've been warned for something I didn't quite agree with, so that doesn't help either. (I contacted a mod and he was nice about it, we just had a different opinion, it can happen)
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Ive gotten warned for some one liners. Never banned though kinda easy to not get banned. I don't post often enough to fear it though mods are pretty nice.
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the mods do a great job. I usually feel like i deserve the ban or warning
sometimes
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I've certainly been to sites with far worse mods. I'd say for the most part they are fair, there's been mod rage and feuds sometimes but I haven't seen much lately.
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Never been banned. I think I try to keep my mouth shut when I'm mad.
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On April 02 2011 05:19 caelym wrote:
Getting banned means no posting. I don't post much anyway... It's not much to fear imo.
Pretty much that. I got temp banned for balance issues lol. Also if I wanted a serious, civilized conversation, i would go drink coffee/tea and talk philosophy with some old guys.
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Don't make stupid posts and you'll be alright for awhile. Don't get mad at moderators and you'll be alright forever. Sometimes moderators will do really provocative, unprofessional things that will make you want to tell them off. Resist that temptation and there's nothing to fear.
I used to think SomethingAwful might be even more strict, but really the great guidelines they have are not that enforced. TL has the best moderation of any site I've been to, and they do it without charging you money. You're not going to find a better forum than TL, in terms of moderation and motivated staff. TL makes some mistakes and not all the mods are great, but when you try other forums you come to see just how much more active TL is, and how much more on top of things the mods are.
The grass is not greener anywhere else, trust me.
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On April 02 2011 05:04 SeizeTheDay wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 04:58 Akash wrote:The first thing to remember,regarding not getting banned is not saying everything that is on your mind. If u don't like someone, try not to post your opinion on them if it's highly negative. Even if that makes me sound kind of false,doesn't matter. So as others have said,try to be nice or at least pretend to be nice . But this is the forums, where I should be able to express how I feel about someones comment, even if its a mean mean mean thing to say.. I am trying to stab that person in the heart or make him cry.. THIS IS THE POINT OF THE INTERNET U DUMB MUTHA.. lol JK but I think you get my point. Everyone has such a different personality that some ppl need to be banned when they say that, but others are really making a great argument and get banned for no reason. Those are the ones we need to fix. :D
I understand that,but getting banned is like getting defeated before u have a chance to fight.
Keep your energy,there will be other battles .
You know what they say,it's they're forum and they make they're own rules.
If u want to adress some foul words to someone,just use the way Idra used it once to reply to someone.Make your snide remark as crafty and subtle (while being sarcastic at the same time) as possible while refraining from harsh words.
It works sometimes .Just remember keeping a nice tone,even if u want to break the guy who threatened your ego .
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If you are afraid of being banned for post, don't post it? problem solved. I believe one of the forum rules is use your noggin.
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TL is pretty fair, a bit overzealous on certain things, but it's because those things have been repeated so many times in their history that they've kind of gotten sick of them.
If you want one where you live under fear of the banhammer, try going to EJ, those mods can get downright crazy with their liberal interpretations of their rules sometimes.
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I think it has been repeatedly stated that you won't be permanently banned for something that you yourself won't know is highly inappropriate. If you're surprised by a permanent ban, chances are 1) you're "retarded" 2) you just don't belong here with the rest of us.
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I don't make posts that jeopardize my account.
No, I don't worry. I suggest everyone do that.
In my opinion, if you are worried about being banned, you probably deserve it.
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Yeah, well one of my friends doesn't even come on the site anymore because "The mods are full of themselves and Chill in an Ass"
I try to explain to him that posting a stupid idea for a 2v2 strategy with a minimal OP and having it closed by Chill doesn't make him an ass. He is too stubborn though. Oh well.
Btw, I think Chill is awesome, second only to Kennigit.
Edit: And if you are reading this troy, Yes, you are stubborn as hell.
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If TL was League of Legends, then Chill would be Teemo - he's tiny, he's super cute, but you really gotta watch your step when you're around him.
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United States5162 Posts
I've never been worried about being banned. I've had one warning in over a year of membership, and that was for a one-liner in the strategy forum before it became so heavily moderated. Even as someone who gets a lot of posts arguing in the general forum, as long as you refrain from personal attacks you have nothing to worry about.
One thing I do a lot, is after writing a post I read it and think 'does this contribute anything?' And probably half the time I decide it doesn't and just move on. I find this keeps my posts per day pretty low and probably my ban/warning count, too.
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On April 02 2011 06:17 Chairman Ray wrote:
If TL was League of Legends, then Chill would be Teemo - he's tiny, he's super cute, but you really gotta watch your step when you're around him.
You just gave me an idea for a (possibly) Bad thread in the LoL section.
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I misread the title as 'Fear of Baneling' and thought 'This will be a good topic'
Boy was a wrong
Anyway am not really worried about being banned because this community and it's mods are more than competent in seeing the difference between a troll and a genuine poster.
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I have been warned twice. Bother of which were when I gave *harsh* one line opinions on a thread that asks "which is better" kinda thing.
As long as you say something contributing you should be fine. Anything that like 3 words is usually a warning // temp ban.
It seems like your a perfect example of why TL needs // wants a strict community.
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Dont post like a retard / troll (you can troll but make it hard to recognize).
Respect everyone: people on this site, progamers, commentators, everyone.
Dont be a dick (kinda included in 1+2)
Happy TL life. You can criticize everyone for (almost) everything if you do so in a respectful way.
And it's pretty easy to recognize topics which should be "joke free" (Japan disaster, WeRRa incident, ..).
Overall: you have common sense. Use it.
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I have the constant fear to get banned, I do not have a warning yet though. The thing is that my english is bad for I make spelling blunders and have a stupid style probably. When I think, that I can not express my thoughts right, I fear I will get banned for it. Like a phobia its maybe a baseless fear.
It is the fear to belie the expectations of this very humble site, this community you want to be part of but are hindered by language.
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I've been banned once and warned a couple of times, but I don't mind. I can't say that I disagree with any bans/warnings I've had either. I do prefer to speak my mind but I also try to respect other posters and the guidelines and not go on an all-out trolling spree, so I doubt I'll ever get perma-ban or such.
Things like common courtesy and common sense go a long way, its not any more complicated than that. I'm no more hesitant to post here than any other forum on the internet.
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On April 02 2011 06:22 57 Corvette wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 06:17 Chairman Ray wrote:
If TL was League of Legends, then Chill would be Teemo - he's tiny, he's super cute, but you really gotta watch your step when you're around him. You just gave me an idea for a (possibly) Bad thread in the LoL section.
Oh god...
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I've been banned and warned several times and I'm really sorry for those things I did that might have upset mods.I really do like TeamLiquid.net and I dont wanna lose the chance to keep being part of this great community.
Seriously tho, stop banning me plz, I mean common Im that that bad  last time Nazgul told me Im reaching my final lifes.
+ Show Spoiler + BE GENTLE 
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On April 02 2011 05:00 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 04:58 clusen wrote:
What happens when you get a warning anyways? Do you get a pm with an explanation? Yes. You get a pm and also a record of it is added to your account. Staff can see what you have been warned for in the past.
and once you're on that list, you can't get off.
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I've actually gained a ton of respect for TL's mods. I admit, when I first started out here, I saw the sheer number of bans and I was a bit skeptical. I got the impression that TL had a bunch of power-tripping mods that banned people on the drop of a dime. I made a couple of dumb, "bad" posts as mods like to put it (one one-liner, one joke that quite offensive) and got a 2-day ban and a 2-week ban, respectively.
Then, I shaped up and realized that the mods here are actually extremely fair in their judgments, and I realized that here wouldn't be a place for me to troll or be internet-immature as I like to call it. Here could be a place for me to actually try and put effort into my posts (which I also do on GameFAQs, but unfortunately the responses there are more often than not unsatisfactory, which anyone who frequents GameFAQs should know...) Here is a place where mods actually moderate somewhat heavily on the basis of a post's intelligence (at least, that's what I gleaned from browsing the Automated ban list).
I realized that mods are fine with any sort of opinion, whether it's popular or not, whether it's critical of a popular community figure or not, or even Teamliquid's own TSL, as long as you're thoughtful in your opinion's presentation, provide good evidence, and don't fall into disrespectful ad-hominem territory - it really facilitates the type of discussion that I often try to have on the internet but fail on most sites because there are too many morons/trolls. As far as mods on internet forms go, the ones on TL have greatly earned my respect and I've begun habitually frequenting the site now.... it's addicting T_T
So... yeah. I don't really have much of a fear of being banned anymore because the mods are actually quite fair. If you post smartly, you won't be banned, simple as that. And I know that if I ever get a warning/temp-ban in the future, it'll be very likely be justified.
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Does anyone know if there are consequences to warns, like 10 warns and ur out?
I've gotten 2 temp bans and 4 warns so far.
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On April 02 2011 05:05 tofucake wrote:I've decided to put together some charts for everybody. These are based off of my own observations and should be taken with a grain of salt. + Show Spoiler +First up, the "What you post" chart. As you can see, it's quite easy to get banned. As you can also see, there are conflicting points. For instance, memes (in image form) and image macros are totally acceptable, in fact they are required, in the image thread, while elsewhere you will get banned for them. There's also the obvious martyring and flaming and such as well. Next up is the "Where you post" chart. This is a combination of forums, thread types, and even a specific thread. Obviously, if you've got a thread in the closed forum, you've got a good chance at being banned as well. SC2 Strategy is easily the easiest place to get banned. Even looking at it wrong can get you a warning. And finally, the "Post count" chart. This one should be self explanatory. Newer people stand a decent chance at being banned, what with TL being so much different from the rest of the internet. Although, the longer you're here (ie: more posts) the more you get to know how TL works your chance goes down a bit until right around 1000 posts where you're like "pffft fuck that I'll only get warned for this, I have a thousand posts!" and then you get banned and you're like OKAY and you really do clean up and become a decent member of society. Then you hit 10000 posts and there's 1 of 3 things that happens. 1. You're fana, in which case you're gone 2. You're suddenly expected to act like some kind of example and even a simple typo gets you 30 days 4. What happened to 3? Finally, there's what I call the iNcontroL Point. While technically not a number, if you can manage to attain a post count of iNcontroL you can literally do whatever you want and not even Zeus would be able to ban you. To date, this has only been acheived by iNcontroL, despite konadora's best attempts.
hilarious. laughed out loud. my dog looked at me funny.
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tbh The moderation on this website is pretty good, I really enjoy that it is moderated kind of strictly, especially since i don't troll or post meemes. And i really think the one or 2 warnings i got i deserved, so i really like the moderation.
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I've gotten one ban I deserved, cleaned up since and don't really worry about it anymore. As long as you put a bit of thought into your posts you're all set. Don't just post what first comes to mind...
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Intuitively I see the mods as uptight nerds, lurking the forums and trying to wank their nerd ego by picking on small things, compensate much?
But rationally moderation is needed when you have so many new young people streaming in, and if I post stuff that I fund amusing here and there and get warned for it I guess I see it as a small price to pay for keeping the overall quality of the site high and not having people with thousands of posts with little value added.
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Oh I always fear =) Sometimes it's true, mostly just warnings though.
Hopefully my warnings are far enough apart and my report-spammage partially makes up for it. e_e
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you are right to fear baning, team liquid is the most ban intensive forum i have ever seen! so many moderators around here
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
I get warned once in a while (actually not recently?) for making great posts in LR threads. Though generally not having antagonistic feelings toward people is good enough?
Hmm I did get warned by Plexa once for something that I can't remember, but I liked the warning.
From: Plexa [ 23722 posts | Profile | Buddy ]
Subject: Warning!
Date: 5/1/10 14:25
This is a Warning!
Stop being so awesome
sheesh
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
Plexa
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On April 02 2011 02:51 phil.ipp wrote:
@caradoc
no offense, but with all what is going on in the world you are afraid of a warning on TL?
you should seriously check your life priorities ..
You think very lowly of people if you think they can't have more than a few priorities. If you like something and you don't want it taken from you then you may have a priority not to do anything that would get it taken.
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Why would you fear banning?
I've gotten my fair amount of warning and a ban before and I simply don't give a shit.
The mods on here are taking their job way too seriously (a.k.a. power-tripping), especially in the funny pictures thread. There are so many things in there that I regard as being funny that people got warned or even banned over that I can't take any of the mods seriously anymore.
The thread tells you not to debate over the pictures, yet a warning or a ban is exactly that.
Why not just implement a voting system so the users, not the mods, can decide whether a picture is funny or not and below a certain threshold the picture gets purged?
The website promotes communication but doesn't even give you any chance of appealing a warning or a ban or explaining what you meant, should there be a possibility of it being taken wrong. The system is a joke. There are political systems that work that way and you don't like them.
I have a rather harsh but efficient way of telling people that they're retarded or could have used Google and the likes and should I ever get banned for good, I'll just make a new account.
Dynamic IPs for the win.
And even if you're not on a dynamic IP: as long as you think you said the right thing and made your point clear and get banned regardless, you should realize that this community isn't quite smart enough to get what you're saying or at least whoever banned you isn't.
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Yeah gotta hand it to the admins for doing great job.
Stay rational & logical, let your emotions and other factors stay away from your posts, and for most parts mods will let you go.
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I've made what I know to be terrible posts in the past, and still managed to survive completely unscathed for three years (including my old account) except the time I deliberately asked for a perm ban. You just know what line you don't have to cross as your TL experience accumulates; then, follow the advice on my sig for almost guaranteed 95% reduction on your warn/ban rate.
Never understood the mentality of those who always live in constant fear of mod PMing you- it's not good for your health... Despite, isn't mod messaging you kind of cool? Even though, of course, it may be that of condemnation where he calls you all kind of horrible things.
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Coming from the Battle.net forums, I was tripping balls with my first post. And the first thread I created got closed. A little piece of me died, but I think I've matured past that point. xD
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Oh God...what happened to my old account, Mori600. I still feel horrible for what I did back then. I believe my quotes can still be found in the search engine. Bleh...something about being banned by people you admire really kills you deep inside. And when you get banned, it is not a "Fuck the police attitude," it feels like a punch in the face with a really hurtful but accurate reason from a teacher you really admire
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Yeah, I don't really care but I've been banned for some pretty slight things. TL moderators demand you say things with political correctness\sensitivity gloves on.
You can pretty much say anything if you say it kindly enough
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I've gotten banned by a self-professed (if I recall correctly) wemade-fan mod for posting an image macro of shine (though the image itself was accompanied a several lines of text, merely having it was cause enough), but I have never been warned.
I have had three requested temp-bans, however.
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On April 02 2011 05:16 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 05:13 CarlyZerg wrote:
I love the way this forum works. It's the only well-moderated forum on the Internet, imo. As long as you're not a total asshat, you don't have anything to worry about. The mods seem to take a user's entire post history into account when making decisions, which I think is a solid move.
When I make snipy or condescending posts at someone who I think deserves it, I don't worry about getting banned, because:
1) I'm not a a total asshat who types in caps or calls people fags
2) my overall post history shows an honest effort at being a good member of TL society.
In my entire time here I've gotten 1 warning for calling someone a troll.
For some of us who came from the world of Counter-Strike (for example, me), it was a long, hard journey before I was able to make quality posts. Yes, common sense dictates that nobody should have any problem sticking around and having fun. But if common sense were really so common we wouldn't have the Automated Ban List.
Yeah, the days of the Gotfrag and CAL forums are long gone for me as well, thank the lord! Course I don't have much to contribute to these forums so I don't post very often.
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The only people who fear banning are the people who want to post irrelevant nonsense or are trying to troll. I am glad that you have that fear, it keeps this place worth coming to.
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I kind of have this every place on every forum, I'm really good with getting myself banned making outrageous remarks and going off topic a lot.
What also doesn't help is that I like to argue a lot with policy making people and people who generally enjoy a lot of authority and power.
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Physician
United States4146 Posts
The only thing worth fearing is, the fog.
As for the fear of banning subject: teamliquid IS NOT about NOT getting banned or getting banned for that matter; it is about striving for excellence, everything else is secondary. An old reminder, from a nobody, who remembers the passion: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=59762
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Before I post anything I think to myself "does anybody else want/need to hear this comment" works like a charm for me. Also, as a newcomer to the site I feel that I need to be especially careful, because even guys with 2000+ posts get temp banned for posting poorly(Example: Hawk), so if I slip up, i'm gone for sure.
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I live in constant fear.
During nights i cannot sleep. When exhaustion lulls me into an uneasy slumber, it's not long until i wake up screaming from from the shear terror that haunts my dreams.
I've driven my girlfriend away. She thinks it's my memories from Afghanistan that changed me. She doesn't know. How could she ever? How could i ever talk to her about this, she wouldn't understand and i'd never be the same in her eyes.
It is better this way. Alone. What if someone i love creates an account because of me? No, this is a burden i cannot share. My one remaining comfort is knowing others are safe and live their lives without ever having seen the things i've seen. I treasure the thought of their blissful unawareness. The memories of my girlfriends loving embrace and her wonderful words "Team Liquid, what's that?". I keep them locked up, deep inside. They're what keep the beating of my heart going..
..on
and
on..
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Several posts in, warned for "Being a dick". Stopped debating other posts.
From the generally unhelpful nature of the warning messages and no way to see who warned you or ask why, I can see there being a fear of unwittingly getting on the bad side of a random mod someday, though it's unlikely to happen.
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It's really easy to get warned. But every post I got warned for, I knew it was coming. It's so easy to make bad posts and the reason I read these forums about 24/7 is because of the great moderating.
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If u worry about being banned u need to grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
..and get a life too, its an internet forum ffs.
User was banned for this post.
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It really just comes down to being polite as you would in real life. I highly doubt you'd just walk up to a nice stranger who gets along with people well, and then just ruin their day with obscenity and harsh words. Bottom line, internet anonymity will not exonerate you here.
@alexx1202
I loled how relevant your quote is to your post.
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I'm usually skating on thin ice.
On April 02 2011 09:27 alexx1202 wrote:
If u worry about being banned u need to grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
..and get a life too, its an internet forum ffs.
... what a terrible first post.
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over the years iv been banned a handful of times, i basically a stupid person with no understanding of english and basic sentence structure. I do admit that all of my bans are not directly because of my lack of grammar but more to immature stupid post. With anything important in life tho (such as TL) you will have to literally kill me before i will not be on this site, so over that time iv learned to be extremely more mature and to not just post dumb one to two word crap like "amg! thats funneh"
I don't have the morbid fascination with the automated ban list tho i feel that reminds me to much of the pain i had to go through. 
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I've never worried about this in my three years of posting. Part of that may have been because I lurked for two years before bothering to make an account, so I observed many examples as to what to do and what *not* to do in posting. Recently I've raised standards for myself a bit too - rather than "don't be detrimental", it's more of a "what does my post add to this thread/site" kind of mindset. After all, while posting, "That's an interesting build idea, you should try it out a bit more" doesn't go against any of the rules as far as I know, it doesn't really contribute anything either.
At any rate, I feel it's ridiculously hard to get banned unless you act like a dick.
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I got a warning for doing a "+1"
Now i'm scared
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Every time i get a PM I think to myself, what's the odds of a user messaging me? Lately though I've been more active in TL and getting more and more messages from non-mods, and well I think I behave very well except for the odd 'rage' in LR thread.
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I'm a law-abiding citizen, so therefore I do not need to live in fear.
+ Show Spoiler +Actually I have two 2-day temps and a warning in my history.
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I got banned recently for posing an alternative viewpoint in a thread where everyone was against me. However I could not be proven wrong, but since I was one of the few people with this alternative way of looking at the situation, I was deemed a troll.
The mod thought of a clever line to put under his reason for banning me and couldn't resist. So the next thing you know I'm banned for essentially participating in a discussion.
Had I posted things like,
"WWOOOWOOW what a d-bag" or "THAT guy is a HUGE loser omGFF" then I would not have been banned.
Go figure.
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be a nice person and dont post BS, you'll be fine. I like it =D
I do have one warning, but it was reasonable.
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to be honest i see more posts where i think the mods have been too soft on people than posts where people have been banned unfairly
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On April 02 2011 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote:I'm usually skating on thin ice. Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 09:27 alexx1202 wrote:
If u worry about being banned u need to grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
..and get a life too, its an internet forum ffs. ... what a terrible first post.
I actually agree with him. What the fuck is this chode shit?! An internet forum is like the lowest social pressure environment i can think of. If you can't relax and be uninhibited here, how the hell do you plan on dealing with real life pressures?
Half the people who posted in this thread deserve a smack on the face. You're men, not pussies
User was warned for this post
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I don't have a fear of being banned because I could care less if I could post or not. It would not be the end of the world to be banned.
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I do fear it, but I always try to leave thoughtful posts. Sometimes, I'll type something out and decided not to post it all. Other times I might skim through all posts and make sure what I want to say hasn't been said a million times. But if you think about it, it is really a great thing. Because you must be so careful with what you say, it makes TL a great community!
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I kind of want to get banned. I want to fuck up unintentionally and just to see what it is like to be banned for 2 days. Mostly I want to see the PM.
I don't want to get a gag ban or something. I want it to be 100% real.
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As long as your opinion is the same as the mods you should be fine!
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i posted /thread in a thread one time and a mod warned me saying in a PM
THIS IS A NOTICE THAT IF YOU EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER POST /THREAD AGAIN NOT ONLY ON THIS FORUM BUT ON ANY FORUM AND DONT THINK WE WONT FIND OUT BECAUSE WE WILL EVEN IF ITS ON SOME PRIVATE FORUM THAT ONLY YOUR FAMILY POSTS ON I SWEAR TO GOD I'LL KIDNAP YOUR FUCKING GRANDMOTHER AND BEAT THE URL OUT OF HER AND I WILL FIND OUT IF YOU POST /THREAD. THIS IS A NOTICE THAT IF YOU EVER DO IT AGAIN I'M GOING TO CUT YOUR TONGUE OUT AND SLAP YOUR ACROSS YOUR STUPID NERD FACE WITH IT AND AFTER THAT WE'LL SEE WHAT YOU LOOK LIKE WITHOUT EYES I MEAN IT I'LL PULL OUT YOUR FUCKING EYEBALLS AND THEN HOLD THEM UP TO YOUR FACE SO YOU CAN LOOK AT YOURSELF SHRIEK IN HORROR BEFORE MY BLADE ENTERS YOUR SKULL AND EVERYTHING GOES DARK
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
Nyovne
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If you actually worry about getting banned, you're probably safe.
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Gotten banned more times for what I've done outside of TL, odd how that works...
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Don't post threads about streaming GSL and you wont get banned
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On April 02 2011 13:21 AlexDeLarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote:I'm usually skating on thin ice. On April 02 2011 09:27 alexx1202 wrote:
If u worry about being banned u need to grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
..and get a life too, its an internet forum ffs. ... what a terrible first post. I actually agree with him. What the fuck is this chode shit?! An internet forum is like the lowest social pressure environment i can think of. If you can't relax and be uninhibited here, how the hell do you plan on dealing with real life pressures? Half the people who posted in this thread deserve a smack on the face. You're men, not pussies User was warned for this post
I could care less really if you agree with him, it doesn't mean it's still not a terrible post. THAT is what you want to contribute? Really?
Yours is just as equally poor - regardless of your views on it being the "lowest social pressure environment" (I'm not saying otherwise), it's the manner of the posts. When trying to build a productive community, "uninhibited" posts just waste other people's time. It's the exact opposite of what we want. Telling people they deserve a smack in the face for posting their own opinions and calling them pussies? Aren't you being hypocritical?
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I got warned for questioning a thread that made no sense once.
I was one of many in that thread that got warned because apparently EVERYONE doesn't know how to read except that one mod. Not to mention the thread got closed for how stupid it was after 3 pages.
Other than that... I don't think I'll have to worry about getting banned anytime soon.
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On April 02 2011 14:17 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 13:21 AlexDeLarge wrote:On April 02 2011 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote:I'm usually skating on thin ice. On April 02 2011 09:27 alexx1202 wrote:
If u worry about being banned u need to grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
..and get a life too, its an internet forum ffs. ... what a terrible first post. I actually agree with him. What the fuck is this chode shit?! An internet forum is like the lowest social pressure environment i can think of. If you can't relax and be uninhibited here, how the hell do you plan on dealing with real life pressures? Half the people who posted in this thread deserve a smack on the face. You're men, not pussies User was warned for this post I could care less really if you agree with him, it doesn't mean it's still not a terrible post. THAT is what you want to contribute? Really? Yours is just as equally poor - regardless of your views on it being the "lowest social pressure environment" (I'm not saying otherwise), it's the manner of the posts. When trying to build a productive community, "uninhibited" posts just waste other people's time. It's the exact opposite of what we want. Telling people they deserve a smack in the face for posting their own opinions and calling them pussies? Aren't you being hypocritical? The funny coincidence is that they're both Alex!
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MrHoon
10183 Posts
it's really hard to get yourself banned in TL than most people make it to be
All you have to do is not act like an idiot. I mean how hard is that?
tbh TL needs another purge
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Canada5155 Posts
That fear is what shapes you into a good poster. Best way to never get banned is to think twice about posting. I don't think I really started posting on TL until after 3-4 years of lurking.
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I often like seeing things i know will be closed get closed... I usually post inside of it letting the OP know what he did wrong right befor it gets closed.. lol
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On April 02 2011 14:17 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 13:21 AlexDeLarge wrote:On April 02 2011 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote:I'm usually skating on thin ice. On April 02 2011 09:27 alexx1202 wrote:
If u worry about being banned u need to grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
..and get a life too, its an internet forum ffs. ... what a terrible first post. I actually agree with him. What the fuck is this chode shit?! An internet forum is like the lowest social pressure environment i can think of. If you can't relax and be uninhibited here, how the hell do you plan on dealing with real life pressures? Half the people who posted in this thread deserve a smack on the face. You're men, not pussies User was warned for this post I could care less really if you agree with him, it doesn't mean it's still not a terrible post. THAT is what you want to contribute? Really? Yours is just as equally poor - regardless of your views on it being the "lowest social pressure environment" (I'm not saying otherwise), it's the manner of the posts. When trying to build a productive community, "uninhibited" posts just waste other people's time. It's the exact opposite of what we want. Telling people they deserve a smack in the face for posting their own opinions and calling them pussies? Aren't you being hypocritical?
And your contribution is accusing and criticizing me, without saying anything relevant otherwise.
Let me tell you what my contribution was, apparently it's too subtle to grasp if you're thick as a brick.
The manner in which many users posted in this thread denotes that they live in a petty little universe, with extremely low comfort zone and social inadequacy (this is just the impression they give, not saying it's entirely true, take it with a grain of salt). You don't have to micromanage yourself at every turn, analyzing your every thought gesture or word. You don't need to seek other people's approval.
In the grand spectrum of things, being banned (even perma banned) from an online forum is like the tiniest, most minuscule thing that could occur in your life. It is not, in my opinion, an advantage worth giving up your freedom of thought and expressing yourself in the manner which you want to, not imposed by others. And if the mods encourage this sort of behavior, they are unknowingly creating even more introverted, awkward, pussy whipped - insert beta male "qualities" here - people.
All i tried is to give a wake up call, because i'll be completely honest, reading this thread disgusted me. I could already imagine myself walking all over most of these people IRL, and they wouldn't have the balls to do anything about it.
Cheers
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Sometimes I think the mods don't do enough banning. A lot of the posts in tourney threads are absolutely pointless and are usually made by fanboys or haters. So much pointless off-topic debates go on as well. Atheism debate in the SOTG thread? Really?
Also a ban would probably actually help me get stuff done this weekend. I can't be the only one with a ton of crap due Monday.
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On April 02 2011 13:27 Khaymus wrote:
As long as your opinion is the same as the mods you should be fine!
Not true. I've probably banned more people I agreed with than disagreed with.
No one is safe!
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I got a 2 day temp ban for getting into it with a guy who started turning a cool comic about a marines life, into how marines are op. I did lose my cool a bit, but I shake my fist toward you JWD!
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I think that it's a good thing that people have that hesitation to post. It allows them a few extra seconds to think before they hit that post button
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On April 02 2011 14:22 MrHoon wrote:
tbh TL needs another purge
COUGHmysignatureCOUGHCOUGH
Yeah, TBH, banning isn't really that big of a deal.
And if they didn't ban liberally, what would be the incentive for not posting badly?
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Lol I just don't post. They're some discussions like balance stuff that I want talk about, and maybe something enlightening might come out in the discussion. But I just avoid it all together. I mostly use this site like a SC news outlet. You really can't have a discussion here I feel.
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United States4796 Posts
Got my one ban. Now I'm a nice guy on TL forever.
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Theres a fine line, but I don't think that you should ever post with fear of getting banned. You either censor what you have to say or you speak your mind. If you do the latter, often times you run the risk of warnings and bans, but so are the consequences.
Don't attack others, don't unecessarily be abrasive. Make your arguments clearly and concisely.
+ Show Spoiler +*sigh* coming from a guy with like 4-6 bans and....maybe 10-15 warnings >.>
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Marshall Islands3404 Posts
no, I know whats bannable and not bannable but ill post stuff that will get me banned to make a point
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don't worry, they give warnings first, which are simply that; warnings -- friendly reminders that help you out before they have to start giving temp bans then perma bans then IP perma bans
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On April 02 2011 01:16 Morfildur wrote:
If you fear you might get a ban for a post, don't post it.
I got banned for 2 days once (rightfully so, you should never post when in a bad mood) and i'm usually not scared when i post. The TL Mods are strict but fair.
Perfect answer
If you think that something might be offensive or inappropriate, you're better not posting it
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On April 02 2011 15:18 KingAce wrote:
Lol I just don't post. They're some discussions like balance stuff that I want talk about, and maybe something enlightening might come out in the discussion. But I just avoid it all together. I mostly use this site like a SC news outlet. You really can't have a discussion here I feel.
That's exactly the attitude that you shouldn't have. The mods are guaranteed to rape the shit out of every troll on here. This isn't gamefaqs, or 4chan, or b.net. You don't have to fear the loose trolls like you do on the those forums.
This place is a community for the nerds who love starcraft and people who love the site. This place is FOR discussing things. if some idiot tries to ruin it like he did on 4chan then he gets banned. You, my friend, are just missing out. we have access to the holiest of holiest of the pro scene, who can give their godly input to our strategies and discussions. I... don't really know how else to say it. Anyone want to help me out here?
From the Tl.net Ten Commandments.
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THOU SHALL CONTRIBUTE TO THE SITE
Contribute to the site. Everyone should pitch in. Some people contribute by being helpful when someone posts a question. Some people contribute by writing interesting posts that stimulate discussion or by uploading relevant and useful facts and information. Some people contribute by posting news from the gaming world. Others contribute by providing resources allowing us all to enjoy this game. Still others contribute by simply making everyone laugh. Contribution can take many forms and there's no single prescribed way to go about it. But, like good micro, we know it when we see it. Many contributors will have stars or special icons by their name. It's not a license to do anything they want, but good contributors will always get favorable treatment.
For you this means, when you create a new thread, make sure to include content worth discussing in it. A link or youtube video is not enough. An opening post should set the tone for discussion by being thoughtful and well constructed. We will not hesitate to close threads that don't have enough OP content.
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On April 02 2011 14:36 AlexDeLarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 14:17 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 02 2011 13:21 AlexDeLarge wrote:On April 02 2011 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote:I'm usually skating on thin ice. On April 02 2011 09:27 alexx1202 wrote:
If u worry about being banned u need to grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
..and get a life too, its an internet forum ffs. ... what a terrible first post. I actually agree with him. What the fuck is this chode shit?! An internet forum is like the lowest social pressure environment i can think of. If you can't relax and be uninhibited here, how the hell do you plan on dealing with real life pressures? Half the people who posted in this thread deserve a smack on the face. You're men, not pussies User was warned for this post I could care less really if you agree with him, it doesn't mean it's still not a terrible post. THAT is what you want to contribute? Really? Yours is just as equally poor - regardless of your views on it being the "lowest social pressure environment" (I'm not saying otherwise), it's the manner of the posts. When trying to build a productive community, "uninhibited" posts just waste other people's time. It's the exact opposite of what we want. Telling people they deserve a smack in the face for posting their own opinions and calling them pussies? Aren't you being hypocritical? And your contribution is accusing and criticizing me, without saying anything relevant otherwise. Let me tell you what my contribution was, apparently it's too subtle to grasp if you're thick as a brick. The manner in which many users posted in this thread denotes that they live in a petty little universe, with extremely low comfort zone and social inadequacy (this is just the impression they give, not saying it's entirely true, take it with a grain of salt). You don't have to micromanage yourself at every turn, analyzing your every thought gesture or word. You don't need to seek other people's approval. In the grand spectrum of things, being banned (even perma banned) from an online forum is like the tiniest, most minuscule thing that could occur in your life. It is not, in my opinion, an advantage worth giving up your freedom of thought and expressing yourself in the manner which you want to, not imposed by others. And if the mods encourage this sort of behavior, they are unknowingly creating even more introverted, awkward, pussy whipped - insert beta male "qualities" here - people. All i tried is to give a wake up call, because i'll be completely honest, reading this thread disgusted me. I could already imagine myself walking all over most of these people IRL, and they wouldn't have the balls to do anything about it. Cheers
Hey kid, learn to read. Amazing how you immediate jump to flame me, when I clearly said I didn't even disagree with your point, which I did in fact clearly realize despite being as "think as a brick." Just to reiterate, it's your shitty posting mannerisms. Oh, and no, being perma banned for an online forum isn't "the tiniest, most minuscule thing that could occur in life," when it's one of the websites you frequent regularly.
Try to think about that for a sec. Something you use as a time killer regularly, a community you wanted to get involved with, permabans you. Is it lifechanging? No. Is it more than merely annoying? For a great majority of people, yes. This is because I, like many others, have visited this site for years to kill time, engage in debates with other members, talk about Starcraft, participate in tournaments, and other god knows what else.
Mods don't "encourage" pussy whipped behavior - something you can't quite seem to grasp as you apparently are attempting to exude some aggressive, masculine behavior over the Internet (which is laughable in itself); they simply are trying to maintain the environment which the site founders want to maintain.
So just to repeat, hilarious you're trying to flame me - even more hilarious as it's due to your own poor reading comprehension as I understood your point. There's no "freedom of speech."
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On April 02 2011 15:43 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 14:36 AlexDeLarge wrote:On April 02 2011 14:17 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 02 2011 13:21 AlexDeLarge wrote:On April 02 2011 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote:I'm usually skating on thin ice. On April 02 2011 09:27 alexx1202 wrote:
If u worry about being banned u need to grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
..and get a life too, its an internet forum ffs. ... what a terrible first post. I actually agree with him. What the fuck is this chode shit?! An internet forum is like the lowest social pressure environment i can think of. If you can't relax and be uninhibited here, how the hell do you plan on dealing with real life pressures? Half the people who posted in this thread deserve a smack on the face. You're men, not pussies User was warned for this post I could care less really if you agree with him, it doesn't mean it's still not a terrible post. THAT is what you want to contribute? Really? Yours is just as equally poor - regardless of your views on it being the "lowest social pressure environment" (I'm not saying otherwise), it's the manner of the posts. When trying to build a productive community, "uninhibited" posts just waste other people's time. It's the exact opposite of what we want. Telling people they deserve a smack in the face for posting their own opinions and calling them pussies? Aren't you being hypocritical? And your contribution is accusing and criticizing me, without saying anything relevant otherwise. Let me tell you what my contribution was, apparently it's too subtle to grasp if you're thick as a brick. The manner in which many users posted in this thread denotes that they live in a petty little universe, with extremely low comfort zone and social inadequacy (this is just the impression they give, not saying it's entirely true, take it with a grain of salt). You don't have to micromanage yourself at every turn, analyzing your every thought gesture or word. You don't need to seek other people's approval. In the grand spectrum of things, being banned (even perma banned) from an online forum is like the tiniest, most minuscule thing that could occur in your life. It is not, in my opinion, an advantage worth giving up your freedom of thought and expressing yourself in the manner which you want to, not imposed by others. And if the mods encourage this sort of behavior, they are unknowingly creating even more introverted, awkward, pussy whipped - insert beta male "qualities" here - people. All i tried is to give a wake up call, because i'll be completely honest, reading this thread disgusted me. I could already imagine myself walking all over most of these people IRL, and they wouldn't have the balls to do anything about it. Cheers Hey kid, learn to read. Amazing how you immediate jump to flame me, when I clearly said I didn't even disagree with your point, which I did in fact clearly realize despite being as "think as a brick." Just to reiterate, it's your shitty posting mannerisms. Oh, and no, being perma banned for an online forum isn't "the tiniest, most minuscule thing that could occur in life," when it's one of the websites you frequent regularly. Try to think about that for a sec. Something you use as a time killer regularly, a community you wanted to get involved with, permabans you. Is it lifechanging? No. Is it more than merely annoying? For a great majority of people, yes. This is because I, like many others, have visited this site for years to kill time, engage in debates with other members, talk about Starcraft, participate in tournaments, and other god knows what else. Mods don't "encourage" pussy whipped behavior - something you can't quite seem to grasp as you apparently are attempting to exude some aggressive, masculine behavior over the Internet (which is laughable in itself); they simply are trying to maintain the environment which the site founders want to maintain. So just to repeat, hilarious you're trying to flame me - even more hilarious as it's due to your own poor reading comprehension as I understood your point. There's no "freedom of speech" and if you're too idiotic to see it, good riddance.
Mods however, encourage being the better man and not flaming people after they flame you >.>.
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I've said before and i say again that the mods go too easy, except maybe manifesto. Since Sc2 got announced or maybe before then, it seems like they've been a lot less picky and judgemental of the posters here to try and encourage growth in the community. A lot of the common posters and the average quallity posts here imo would only have been welcome on GG.net a few years ago. A little fear can be a good thing.
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On April 02 2011 16:00 Sixotanaka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 15:43 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 02 2011 14:36 AlexDeLarge wrote:On April 02 2011 14:17 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 02 2011 13:21 AlexDeLarge wrote:On April 02 2011 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote:I'm usually skating on thin ice. On April 02 2011 09:27 alexx1202 wrote:
If u worry about being banned u need to grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
..and get a life too, its an internet forum ffs. ... what a terrible first post. I actually agree with him. What the fuck is this chode shit?! An internet forum is like the lowest social pressure environment i can think of. If you can't relax and be uninhibited here, how the hell do you plan on dealing with real life pressures? Half the people who posted in this thread deserve a smack on the face. You're men, not pussies User was warned for this post I could care less really if you agree with him, it doesn't mean it's still not a terrible post. THAT is what you want to contribute? Really? Yours is just as equally poor - regardless of your views on it being the "lowest social pressure environment" (I'm not saying otherwise), it's the manner of the posts. When trying to build a productive community, "uninhibited" posts just waste other people's time. It's the exact opposite of what we want. Telling people they deserve a smack in the face for posting their own opinions and calling them pussies? Aren't you being hypocritical? And your contribution is accusing and criticizing me, without saying anything relevant otherwise. Let me tell you what my contribution was, apparently it's too subtle to grasp if you're thick as a brick. The manner in which many users posted in this thread denotes that they live in a petty little universe, with extremely low comfort zone and social inadequacy (this is just the impression they give, not saying it's entirely true, take it with a grain of salt). You don't have to micromanage yourself at every turn, analyzing your every thought gesture or word. You don't need to seek other people's approval. In the grand spectrum of things, being banned (even perma banned) from an online forum is like the tiniest, most minuscule thing that could occur in your life. It is not, in my opinion, an advantage worth giving up your freedom of thought and expressing yourself in the manner which you want to, not imposed by others. And if the mods encourage this sort of behavior, they are unknowingly creating even more introverted, awkward, pussy whipped - insert beta male "qualities" here - people. All i tried is to give a wake up call, because i'll be completely honest, reading this thread disgusted me. I could already imagine myself walking all over most of these people IRL, and they wouldn't have the balls to do anything about it. Cheers Hey kid, learn to read. Amazing how you immediate jump to flame me, when I clearly said I didn't even disagree with your point, which I did in fact clearly realize despite being as "think as a brick." Just to reiterate, it's your shitty posting mannerisms. Oh, and no, being perma banned for an online forum isn't "the tiniest, most minuscule thing that could occur in life," when it's one of the websites you frequent regularly. Try to think about that for a sec. Something you use as a time killer regularly, a community you wanted to get involved with, permabans you. Is it lifechanging? No. Is it more than merely annoying? For a great majority of people, yes. This is because I, like many others, have visited this site for years to kill time, engage in debates with other members, talk about Starcraft, participate in tournaments, and other god knows what else. Mods don't "encourage" pussy whipped behavior - something you can't quite seem to grasp as you apparently are attempting to exude some aggressive, masculine behavior over the Internet (which is laughable in itself); they simply are trying to maintain the environment which the site founders want to maintain. So just to repeat, hilarious you're trying to flame me - even more hilarious as it's due to your own poor reading comprehension as I understood your point. There's no "freedom of speech" and if you're too idiotic to see it, good riddance. Mods however, encourage being the better man and not flaming people after they flame you >.>.
Difference is, I wouldn't really constitute that as flaming. Unless you count the very last line, which maybe I'll edit^^. I also don't have a report button.
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MURICA15980 Posts
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day.
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On April 02 2011 15:43 FabledIntegral wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 14:36 AlexDeLarge wrote:On April 02 2011 14:17 FabledIntegral wrote:On April 02 2011 13:21 AlexDeLarge wrote:On April 02 2011 09:41 FabledIntegral wrote:I'm usually skating on thin ice. On April 02 2011 09:27 alexx1202 wrote:
If u worry about being banned u need to grow a pair and harden the fuck up.
..and get a life too, its an internet forum ffs. ... what a terrible first post. I actually agree with him. What the fuck is this chode shit?! An internet forum is like the lowest social pressure environment i can think of. If you can't relax and be uninhibited here, how the hell do you plan on dealing with real life pressures? Half the people who posted in this thread deserve a smack on the face. You're men, not pussies User was warned for this post I could care less really if you agree with him, it doesn't mean it's still not a terrible post. THAT is what you want to contribute? Really? Yours is just as equally poor - regardless of your views on it being the "lowest social pressure environment" (I'm not saying otherwise), it's the manner of the posts. When trying to build a productive community, "uninhibited" posts just waste other people's time. It's the exact opposite of what we want. Telling people they deserve a smack in the face for posting their own opinions and calling them pussies? Aren't you being hypocritical? And your contribution is accusing and criticizing me, without saying anything relevant otherwise. Let me tell you what my contribution was, apparently it's too subtle to grasp if you're thick as a brick. The manner in which many users posted in this thread denotes that they live in a petty little universe, with extremely low comfort zone and social inadequacy (this is just the impression they give, not saying it's entirely true, take it with a grain of salt). You don't have to micromanage yourself at every turn, analyzing your every thought gesture or word. You don't need to seek other people's approval. In the grand spectrum of things, being banned (even perma banned) from an online forum is like the tiniest, most minuscule thing that could occur in your life. It is not, in my opinion, an advantage worth giving up your freedom of thought and expressing yourself in the manner which you want to, not imposed by others. And if the mods encourage this sort of behavior, they are unknowingly creating even more introverted, awkward, pussy whipped - insert beta male "qualities" here - people. All i tried is to give a wake up call, because i'll be completely honest, reading this thread disgusted me. I could already imagine myself walking all over most of these people IRL, and they wouldn't have the balls to do anything about it. Cheers Hey kid, learn to read. Amazing how you immediate jump to flame me, when I clearly said I didn't even disagree with your point, which I did in fact clearly realize despite being as "think as a brick." Just to reiterate, it's your shitty posting mannerisms. Oh, and no, being perma banned for an online forum isn't "the tiniest, most minuscule thing that could occur in life," when it's one of the websites you frequent regularly. Try to think about that for a sec. Something you use as a time killer regularly, a community you wanted to get involved with, permabans you. Is it lifechanging? No. Is it more than merely annoying? For a great majority of people, yes. This is because I, like many others, have visited this site for years to kill time, engage in debates with other members, talk about Starcraft, participate in tournaments, and other god knows what else. Mods don't "encourage" pussy whipped behavior - something you can't quite seem to grasp as you apparently are attempting to exude some aggressive, masculine behavior over the Internet (which is laughable in itself); they simply are trying to maintain the environment which the site founders want to maintain. So just to repeat, hilarious you're trying to flame me - even more hilarious as it's due to your own poor reading comprehension as I understood your point. There's no "freedom of speech" and if you're too idiotic to see it, good riddance.
Well you're obviously much more emotionally invested in this than i am. I won't push your buttons any further. Cheers mate
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I'm not scared of being banned.
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Just to chime in my two cents, I've been around for five years without so much as a warning. I've received a PM from JWD with some advice to improve my posting once before, however.
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Do the admins just look through every post if its clean or not? If so, big props to you guys keeping the forums pure
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On April 02 2011 15:41 exploding.godhand wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 15:18 KingAce wrote:
Lol I just don't post. They're some discussions like balance stuff that I want talk about, and maybe something enlightening might come out in the discussion. But I just avoid it all together. I mostly use this site like a SC news outlet. You really can't have a discussion here I feel. That's exactly the attitude that you shouldn't have. The mods are guaranteed to rape the shit out of every troll on here. This isn't gamefaqs, or 4chan, or b.net. You don't have to fear the loose trolls like you do on the those forums. This place is a community for the nerds who love starcraft and people who love the site. This place is FOR discussing things. if some idiot tries to ruin it like he did on 4chan then he gets banned. You, my friend, are just missing out. we have access to the holiest of holiest of the pro scene, who can give their godly input to our strategies and discussions. I... don't really know how else to say it. Anyone want to help me out here?
What do you mean that's the exact attitude that you shouldn't have? It's that attitude that you should have. If this attitude was more common, we would have a whole lot less flame wars, imba rants and the likes. As for the access, everyone has it, members and lurkers so no one is missing out.
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On April 02 2011 16:04 Klogon wrote:
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day.
fuck you, come at me bro.
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I was banned twice in the past but since then i read every of my posts 100 times to be sure i dont write anything that could understand wrong.
At least that makes this forums free from trolls.
When you read what you write, you should normaly not got banned.
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Canada5565 Posts
On April 02 2011 01:37 Ferrose wrote:
Every time I get a PM, I think it's a warning. It scares me.
Nice brag
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On April 02 2011 16:04 Klogon wrote:
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day.
All you pussies out there saying "I'm not scared of being banned".... Stand up for what is right, Fuck these mods they can suck my left nut All these Mods are internet geek fucks, that thinking their cool because they can control you people. Fuck you.
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Korea (South)11576 Posts
On April 02 2011 16:12 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 01:37 Ferrose wrote:
Every time I get a PM, I think it's a warning. It scares me. Nice brag
it might happen so rarely he wonders what he did wrong to warrant a PM.
I think it's a beat, not a brag
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Kennigit
Canada19447 Posts
On April 02 2011 01:16 Morfildur wrote:
If you fear you might get a ban for a post, don't post it.
I got banned for 2 days once (rightfully so, you should never post when in a bad mood) and i'm usually not scared when i post. The TL Mods are strict but fair.
Yeah it's actually worse being a mod because you have to police yourself. I don't post at least 30% of my posts because i swear at someone/flame them because they are terrible. When in doubt, say nout.
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I used to, not so much anymore. Now I just post as if I'm not an idiot and it's all good.
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On April 02 2011 16:04 Klogon wrote:
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day.
All you pussies out there saying "I'm not scared of being banned".... Stand up for what is right, Fuck these mods they can suck my left nut All these Mods are internet geek fucks, that thinking their cool because they can control you people. Fuck you.
User was banned for this post.
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FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
On April 02 2011 16:30 DisBabylonSystem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 16:04 Klogon wrote:
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day. All you pussies out there saying "I'm not scared of being banned".... Stand up for what is right, Fuck these mods they can suck my left nut All these Mods are internet geek fucks, that thinking their cool because they can control you people. Fuck you.
Go Klogon go!
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On April 02 2011 16:30 DisBabylonSystem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 16:04 Klogon wrote:
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day. User was banned for this post. Thank you.
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On April 02 2011 16:31 flamewheel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 16:30 DisBabylonSystem wrote:On April 02 2011 16:04 Klogon wrote:
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day. All you pussies out there saying "I'm not scared of being banned".... Stand up for what is right, Fuck these mods they can suck my left nut All these Mods are internet geek fucks, that thinking their cool because they can control you people. Fuck you. Go Klogon go! boesthius stole the ban from Klogon, no fair!
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"DisBabylonSystem" ..
But I have the fear of the ban in me. The main reason is a tendency to for some reason sit myself in front of the computer when I get home after a late night out. So waking up the next day at 1pm, maybe an hour later I remember posting *something*. Not a good feeling.
But in the end it's usually sort of coherent for someone who is totally hammered. For an outsider I guess it would just look like a normal.. kind of stupid.. post.
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I have been registered here for about 4 years and im not really afraid of being banned. Its true that i post less due to the extensive moderation, but that may not be a bad thing. The fear of the ban is what keeps people from making this site 4chan and allows contributors to get more out of their efforts. So all hail the banfear
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Been here since early 2008, made 1700 posts and only got one warning way back. Part of the reason why TL is so great is the mods. If you think before you post you will be totally fine here.
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On April 02 2011 01:32 Kennigit wrote:
I used to be scared shitless of getting banned. I read over my posts 3-4 times, and prayed that some angry mod wasn't going to snipe me. Things turned out ok.
oh my god the mods have found us! run everybody! run for your lives!
but in all seriousness i got like 2 or 3 warnings. sometimes it really made me feel like: really? for this? but whatever its a warning so no reason to fret about it. so much posts not enough mods to really ponder on every single case i guess.
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I suppose I've walked the line more so in the last month.
However, I've only been warned once, and I certainly did not consider my post to be warn-worthy. I made a post in a LR about HuK who I thought luckily made a blind counter in a PvP match, and then I got promptly warned with a remark like "don't make stupid posts".. T.T
I think the mods here, on the whole, do a great job, but there are certainly inconsistencies with warns/bans that you see here and there in various threads. I'm sure it comes from having so many different moderators that one or two will likely have off-days or just be more troll-like than the others.
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i think the moderation can be overly harsh on jokes. sometimes it seems like humour is being persecuted
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On April 02 2011 20:11 Legatus Lanius wrote:
i think the moderation can be overly harsh on jokes. sometimes it seems like humour is being persecuted
Depends on the topic, you just shouldn't make a joke that might offend some people.
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I got tempbanned once for calling someone out on a really ignorant view on abortion (basically the medieval view on the subject). Turns out one of the admins didn't agree with me. It's that simple to get banned.
So yeah, as long as you stay out of the off-topic discussions you should be fine. Once you cross that line, everything's fair game and you'd better just stick to the popular opinion or take the time to write a three-page essay to explain your position.
That's the sad fact with human mods/admins: no matter how well they try, emotions and their own opinions can and will cloud their objective judgment from time to time.
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Sometimes I get nervous about warnings or maybe temp bans for speaking my mind excessively, because I can be pretty critical. However, thus far I have not been censored. I think as long as your posts are intelligent and have a point behind them, you're fine.
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I'm not afraid at all because I'm extremely critical of what I want others to read. I do feel the pressure to conform but I see that as a good thing.
I try to think, there are many people who will read a post I make, even though I might never get the confirmation. I want them to think: "Sweet that guy wrote exactly what I was thinking aswell" or "That was an interesting point and well written". In the start, when I was the person thinking that about other peoples posts, it would make me all warm and fuzzy inside. And it still does.
There are countless times I log in, write a couple paragraphs, proof read it and delete it all and log out. I don't know why it's not like I'm not being mannered. Probably more so that it adds nothing or that I don't respect my own opinion or ability to comment on a certain subject. When I can't even get a good paragraph going or get stuck in my thoughts and lose side of the point I wanted to convey, I also delete it because it's just gonna be a worthless post.
I planned my registration date in advance (10/10/10) and haven't made a lot of posts. There's quite some things I like to comment on but when someone else already wrote what you think. There's no reason to write it again.
I think I understand the rules well. At a younger age I got arrested and jailed in holding for about a day for something I thought was the most unfair judgement ever. Turns out I was only looking at it from my own perspective and not taking the view of my environment into account. It was a great lesson. Years later I also read the essence of it again in a book. "It's not what you say, it's what other people hear".
In regards to the banning policy, I have never felt a ban or warning was given out unfairly. I'd even go as far as to say that there are many instances where I felt like atleast a warning should've been given out.
You can pretty much say anything you want. As long as you do it with respect.
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On April 02 2011 16:04 Klogon wrote:
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day.
That's one of the things I love in TL: all mods have a great sense of humour. ^^
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On April 02 2011 16:30 DisBabylonSystem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 16:04 Klogon wrote:
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day. All you pussies out there saying "I'm not scared of being banned".... Stand up for what is right, Fuck these mods they can suck my left nut All these Mods are internet geek fucks, that thinking their cool because they can control you people. Fuck you. User was banned for this post.
TL is their site. Their rules. If you don't like simply avoid visiting TL.
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On April 02 2011 14:22 MrHoon wrote:
it's really hard to get yourself banned in TL than most people make it to be
All you have to do is not act like an idiot. I mean how hard is that?
tbh TL needs another purge
yeah, release the kracken! was rekrul really that bad? did he ban thaaat many people?
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When I got banned from my favorite CS server, I was so mad that I stopped playing CS for about 2 years. I needed a new game to really get into, so I got into BW. So, a ban is also a opportunity.
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Follow the rules and you don't get banned. For first time offences you have warnings, keep doing the same thing again and you get banned. Never saw anyone getting banned where the reason wasn't obvious.
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I once was warned for making a stupid post. I just logged on TL after going through the Bnet forums, and was pissed off after reading all the trolls and OP threads and flames going on. So when I saw someone make a completely irrelevant post that related to his penis, I posted that I thought he would be warned for what he said. In the end, we both got warned :-/
I always was a careful poster on TL, but now I am even more so.
Also, it would be hilarious if someone got warned/banned on this thread...
Edit: LOL, it already happened!
Also, how does the system work? How many warnings before being temp banned, and how many temp bans before being banned?
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If you're banned can you still read the forums? I see multiple bans everyday and wonder how many of them quit SC2 after being banned from the best SC2 forums.
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On April 02 2011 22:00 Hokay wrote:
If you're banned can you still read the forums? I see multiple bans everyday and wonder how many of them quit SC2 after being banned from the best SC2 forums.
Yeah, at least temp bans allow you to. Don't know about perm bans.
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On April 02 2011 22:00 Hokay wrote:
If you're banned can you still read the forums? I see multiple bans everyday and wonder how many of them quit SC2 after being banned from the best SC2 forums.
It seems alot of the bans are from <100 posts with a few more at the <300 mark, and incredibly rare to see 1k+ post members being banned (yes I look at the ban list regulary to see who gets bans )
The only time I got worried about being banned was making a new thread in Strategy about a change with protoss warpgates tech being affected by distance to the nexus but it got closed and not moved which made me sad , but I didn't get a warning which I guess is ok ...
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I've noticed quite a few posts here detailing some allegedly unfair warning/bannings against the posters. I hope posters who do this will actually link us to the scene of the crime to sate my morbid curiosity. Otherwise I can't see with how much bias they portray the situation.
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Member for 6 years, no bans, no warnings.
If you are afraid of being banned then that is probably a good sign that you should just lurk. If you joined a year ago, have 1k+ posts and a bunch of bans, I would suggest you ask yourself exactly how positive your contribution has been, what sort of quality your posts have, and whether it would be best if you just lurked.
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Problem is that many opinions are wrong or are using a very bad typography and wrong grammar. Such postings should be banned, too. Many provocations come from this badly investigated postings.
They allow such things to happen, because they mainly care about ad revenue.
That's how the internet works. Quality's advocates are suppressed by quantity.
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The key to not get banned/temp banned/warned it to simply stay out of certain threads when certain things happen
1. Idra loss
This tends to spark a thread with many Idra fans posting...rather crude things, whether its racist slurs agains the opponnent or simply bad posts that are infuriating to read (Btw im not blaming Idra for this, he just attracts a specific fanbase that seems to come from 4chan of all places)
2. Zerg loss
This tends to spark various "___ is imba, Zerg cant do anything" this is now a tradition it seems and it always ends up in a balance discussion where it is easy to get carried away.
3. Religion/Politics
This never ends well, no matter how well meaning people are a thread will always end up in a flame fest.
4. Meme's
Dont post em (i did, got warned and learned my lesson)
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I actually used to be so scared of TL forums that I didn't register or post for literally 2 years since I started reading it (I only signed up around SC2 late beta or when release hit). =P
Well it wasn't only that, it was more that I just enjoyed reading all the write-ups and finding links to games and didn't really look to get involved in the discussions especially since I didn't play BW myself.
But still, TL can be a little bit intimidating (actually it's a LOT less intimidating these days than it used to be), which is a good thing at the end of the day.
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On April 02 2011 22:14 Tyree wrote:
The key to not get banned/temp banned/warned it to simply stay out of certain threads when certain things happen
1. Idra loss
This tends to spark a thread with many Idra fans posting...rather crude things, whether its racist slurs agains the opponnent or simply bad posts that are infuriating to read (Btw im not blaming Idra for this, he just attracts a specific fanbase that seems to come from 4chan of all places)
2. Zerg loss
This tends to spark various "___ is imba, Zerg cant do anything" this is now a tradition it seems and it always ends up in a balance discussion where it is easy to get carried away.
3. Religion/Politics
This never ends well, no matter how well meaning people are a thread will always end up in a flame fest.
4. Meme's
Dont post em (i did, got warned and learned my lesson)
I would add to this:
Don't post when toss wins, because garunteed 2-3 people will be banned because they say imba forcefeilds, or wtf is X race supposed to do.
Don't go against the mods, because they will ban for something you say that they don't agree with.
And the classic, "i dont care if im gonna get banned"
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I use the old unplug the keyboard when browsing public sections of tl.net method.
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On April 02 2011 21:53 The KY wrote:
Follow the rules and you don't get banned. For first time offences you have warnings, keep doing the same thing again and you get banned. Never saw anyone getting banned where the reason wasn't obvious. This is nonsensical on every forum, and the staff here even admit themselves that this is a goal that is not realistically attainable. Older users have more leeway for instance, and people will always be banned because their post were understood in a wrong way.
Whenever I see a forum proclaiming proudly 'people that have been banned have been banned for a reason' I just twitch, it's overconfidence of a mod team's own abilities. People will make mistakes, misread, and moderators will ban people due to misinterpreting their point in some way, that's inevitable and it will always continue to happen.
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On April 03 2011 02:10 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 21:53 The KY wrote:
Follow the rules and you don't get banned. For first time offences you have warnings, keep doing the same thing again and you get banned. Never saw anyone getting banned where the reason wasn't obvious. This is nonsensical on every forum, and the staff here even admit themselves that this is a goal that is not realistically attainable. Older users have more leeway for instance, and people will always be banned because their post were understood in a wrong way. Whenever I see a forum proclaiming proudly 'people that have been banned have been banned for a reason' I just twitch, it's overconfidence of a mod team's own abilities. People will make mistakes, misread, and moderators will ban people due to misinterpreting their point in some way, that's inevitable and it will always continue to happen.
Well, you can always see the reason for the ban under the ban list forum, and 99.9% of the time they make sense. The only people who get banned are the newbies who says "i hope i dont get banned for this" not knowing saying that earn them automatically a temp ban.
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On April 02 2011 16:46 Kamais_Ookin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 16:31 flamewheel wrote:On April 02 2011 16:30 DisBabylonSystem wrote:On April 02 2011 16:04 Klogon wrote:
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day. All you pussies out there saying "I'm not scared of being banned".... Stand up for what is right, Fuck these mods they can suck my left nut All these Mods are internet geek fucks, that thinking their cool because they can control you people. Fuck you. Go Klogon go! boesthius stole the ban from Klogon, no fair!
I was sleeping!
But I should have known I was baiting someone... haha
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yea im slowly figuring out that this isn't the forums to joke around TOO much with. Posted a quirky/snide yet helpful remark in strats and got da hammer lolz. But I guess thats why TL is the best around
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It's best to just stay away from the TL general forum if you don't want a ban, one of the not so great places on the internet.
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United Kingdom31255 Posts
I think four or five times before i make a post, so no i don't fear being banned... however my post count will always be small because of this.
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United States2263 Posts
I've been here for like 6 years and I think I have one ban for an extremely tasteless joke that wasn't funny at all. Gotten a few warnings for making shit posts too. Funny thing is that back when I was 14-18 years old I never was banned or warned a single time. I guess I don't take the interwebs as seriously anymore : /
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I am terrified of being banned. I actually wanted to make a thread like this, but alas, I was scared of being banned for making it. This place can seem elitist. Big bad scary Team Liquid staff. ^^
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lol who cares about being banned... it's not cool to post uncouth comments here though... cuz it's people who are going to be reading them
In an ideal world, everyone would take into consideration what they right, and make it their best quality. But in reality, this is an online forum, nothing can be enforced.
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have some faith in your own ideas. if your posts come from an honest place in your conscious and you contribute, then you wont get banned.
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Not really, if you consider yourself a person with common sense, and you have faith in that common sense, then i doubt you will have such feelings.
I've only ever had one topic closed, that was because the op was very vague, and have never been warned.
Even when you post about a trivial topic, as long as your post is thought out and clear, you really never ought to fear the mods.
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On April 03 2011 02:26 godemperor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 02:10 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:On April 02 2011 21:53 The KY wrote:
Follow the rules and you don't get banned. For first time offences you have warnings, keep doing the same thing again and you get banned. Never saw anyone getting banned where the reason wasn't obvious. This is nonsensical on every forum, and the staff here even admit themselves that this is a goal that is not realistically attainable. Older users have more leeway for instance, and people will always be banned because their post were understood in a wrong way. Whenever I see a forum proclaiming proudly 'people that have been banned have been banned for a reason' I just twitch, it's overconfidence of a mod team's own abilities. People will make mistakes, misread, and moderators will ban people due to misinterpreting their point in some way, that's inevitable and it will always continue to happen. Well, you can always see the reason for the ban under the ban list forum, and 99.9% of the time they make sense. How do you know you didn't misread as well?
I wouldn't go further than saying 85-95% made sense. I feel some people get banned for their points being misread.
The only people who get banned are the newbies who says "i hope i dont get banned for this" not knowing saying that earn them automatically a temp ban. As far as it was obvious after 5 days on this forum that everyone saying that got one, is that really a just punishment for people who haven't come across such posts yet to see the pattern?
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Write clarifications then if you think you're posting something controversial enough to be misread.
The fear of the ban is a good thing: it keeps people in line and makes them think twice before doing dumb things. The longer you're on the site, the more you realize what is acceptable and the less you fear any warns or bans. You also get more latitude if you've been around awhile and contributed than if you're a random 10 post user who joined yesterday.
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On April 03 2011 03:00 Craton wrote:
Write clarifications then if you think you're posting something controversial enough to be misread. You can clarify all you want in most cases, people will read what they want to read in a lot of cases no matter how much you clarified. I've had countless debates on for instance 9/11, no matter how often you clarify yourself and say you're not a truther, people will read over it and read what they want to read as long as you imply that you're not convinced of the official story either. Methinks people place themselves into a 'false dilemma' too often and think there are necessarily only two options and ignore possible third roads quite often.
And it isn't even about controversial stuff per se, people often misread an innocent remark and turn it into something that wasn't intended.
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I feel sometimes scared about giving my opinion in its true form, but I recognize they don't want people posting shit, so you gotta make it nicer. I am more scared about people derailing comments I post instead of actually getting banned/warned for them. People seem to remember your name and would rather bring up past posts instead of responding to what you post.
The TL mods are actually really lenient as long as you aren't going overboard. If you can give your opinion (negative or positive) in a civil manner, you shouldn't really be worried about a ban.
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On April 03 2011 03:05 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 03:00 Craton wrote:
Write clarifications then if you think you're posting something controversial enough to be misread. You can clarify all you want in most cases, people will read what they want to read in a lot of cases no matter how much you clarified. I've had countless debates on for instance 9/11, no matter how often you clarify yourself and say you're not a truther, people will read over it and read what they want to read as long as you imply that you're not convinced of the official story either. Methinks people place themselves into a 'false dilemma' too often and think there are necessarily only two options and ignore possible third roads quite often. And it isn't even about controversial stuff per se, people often misread an innocent remark and turn it into something that wasn't intended.
People being ignorant in a debate wont get you banned; it will often get them banned. The onus is on you if you want to post what should be an "innocent remark" to make sure it's interpreted as such. If you want to poke a rib at a friend, don't expect people to realize you are friends. Similarly, don't expect for tone or sarcasm to be automatically inferable. Clarify your posts.
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0 fear. I know what will get me warned or banned, thus I avoid it. Also, I somewhat try to contribute when I post, not spam (unless I'm very happy or want to support something/someone).
The only warning in like 7 years was when I asked when a vod was going to be uploaded, as I was eager to watch it. (didn't know that that's against the rules of the vod topic at that time; didn't mean any disrespect towards the vod uploaders, on the contrary, I love them - but now I know it's a no-no)
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I had a dream that I got banned last night, it sucked..
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On April 03 2011 03:19 Craton wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 03:05 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:On April 03 2011 03:00 Craton wrote:
Write clarifications then if you think you're posting something controversial enough to be misread. You can clarify all you want in most cases, people will read what they want to read in a lot of cases no matter how much you clarified. I've had countless debates on for instance 9/11, no matter how often you clarify yourself and say you're not a truther, people will read over it and read what they want to read as long as you imply that you're not convinced of the official story either. Methinks people place themselves into a 'false dilemma' too often and think there are necessarily only two options and ignore possible third roads quite often. And it isn't even about controversial stuff per se, people often misread an innocent remark and turn it into something that wasn't intended. People being ignorant in a debate wont get you banned; it will often get them banned. Assuming the moderators aren't ignorant much?
Mods are humans, and as such they have their ignorances, I've seen a lot of cases on fora where someone who was right was basically banned. I've seen cases of people being called trolls because they tried to explain the physical concept of tunneling and how there is a slight chance you can step through a wall. This is true, mods didn't know, how could they? It sounds incredible, but it's true, so they got banned while being right.
The onus is on you if you want to post what should be an "innocent remark" to make sure it's interpreted as such. That's ridiculous, you can just as well extend this to the extremes and say that if a total retard completely misinterprets your point it's supposedly your own fault.
Where do you draw the line?
If you want to poke a rib at a friend, don't expect people to realize you are friends. Similarly, don't expect for tone or sarcasm to be automatically inferable. Clarify your posts. And where did I speak about sarcasm or poking a rib at friends? I'm talking about very basic stuff that may for instance be caused by differences in dialects of English. For instance, there are dialects of English where 'wife' is considered a very offensive term for 'woman', calling someone 'my wife' there is considered quite offensive, can speakers of other dialects be expected to consider this?
Likewise, in a lot of varieties of English 'negro' is not considered in any way offensive, it's as neutral as terms like 'man' or 'Italian', but in some varieties of English it is (especially in the united states), do people across the atlantic really need to consider all the quirks of US English before they can post?
Other things are just culture, in South Korea for instance it's not considered in any way offensive to comment that someone has put on weight, a South Korean poster might be quite understandably ignorant about that in some parts of the world this is considered quite sensitive, how could that poster have known this?
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I have not recieved a warning in 6-7 years either... Been a while.. Although I haven't posted much.
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Did the mods put you up to this as a clever way to draw out martyrs?
Nope never gotten a warning and never worried about getting one or a ban.
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I have a demonic sense of humor and a big mouth, been banned a lot. I've toned it down a lot but I still wish they let some of sarcasm and humor fly. I've seen some people warned and banned for stuff I though was hilarious. I guess it's a matter of taste. I do also appreciate that this isn't the wild west. It would be full of junk. More pro's and top level players need to post on the strategy section. That is a big part of why I come to TL and it seems there is less and less input on the site from top gamers. I'd love to see a pro/top level only, strat section. I think many other TL visitors would like to see uninterrupted debate among top players about strategy.
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On April 03 2011 03:31 Reborn8u wrote:
I have a demonic sense of humor and a big mouth, been banned a lot. I've toned it down a lot but I still wish they let some of sarcasm and humor fly. I've seen some people warned and banned for stuff I though was hilarious. I guess it's a matter of taste. I do also appreciate that this isn't the wild west. It would be full of junk. More pro's and top level players need to post on the strategy section. That is a big part of why I come to TL and it seems there is less and less input on the site from top gamers. I'd love to see a pro/top level only, strat section. Yeah, same here, I can remember IdrA being banned over his remark in the WeRRa scandal thread, I thought his joke was pretty funny, all the more if he did intend it like that, but he probably didn't though.
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No, because I generally don't say stupid, unwarranted things, and when I do, I make sure they're as tasteful as stupid and unwarranted words can be.
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I trust the moderators to ban me if I'm being a dick, and ignore me if I'm not.
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I'm only disrespectful when it's warranted, i.e. someone is being blatantly unreasonable and rude. Even then, I only aim to chastise the behavior, never to humiliate or piss off someone. At all other times, I'm respectful and follow the site's ten commandments.
I figure, if I get banned despite behaving myself, then it's the site and the mods that are at fault, not me- if they ban me, they don't deserve me.
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Wrong tab, wrong thread. My bad.
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I got banned for unzipping my pants.. But even before that, I have always been EXTREMELY leery about posting here. I'm actually wondering if I will get some kind of infraction for posting this..
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On April 03 2011 02:32 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 16:46 Kamais_Ookin wrote:On April 02 2011 16:31 flamewheel wrote:On April 02 2011 16:30 DisBabylonSystem wrote:On April 02 2011 16:04 Klogon wrote:
I can't wait till I find somebody worth banning in this thread. The irony would make my day. All you pussies out there saying "I'm not scared of being banned".... Stand up for what is right, Fuck these mods they can suck my left nut All these Mods are internet geek fucks, that thinking their cool because they can control you people. Fuck you. Go Klogon go! boesthius stole the ban from Klogon, no fair! I was sleeping! But I should have known I was baiting someone... haha Hahaha!
I didn't even know mods sleep here, learn something new everyday!
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The only time I got banned was for something silly, it was a mistake on my part because I was going to add more content but I ended up just hitting post and hitting up the bathroom. I don't really fear being banned though sometimes I get into some Agressive arguments, most important thing is you just approach it as being mature and respectful.
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Most definitely. At the time of this post I am afraid that a mod would read it and for some reason ban me despite the fact that I can't see any more issue created or rule broken by what I'm about to say. I was banned a while back for commenting on the micro of wc3 players in sc2. It is my personal belief that wc3 micro is much different then sc2 micro and the pace of the game is much different as well. As a result, wc3 players have generally less then average sc2 micro in most situations(or at least had less then average at the time of my ban). It is also my personal belief that the mod responsible for banning me holds wc3 progamers on a pedestal and despite the fact that my statement wasn't directly insulting, he took it as a dart thrown at his hero. This kind of thing is what separates stalin from queen elizabeth.
I'm all for moderation, but when personal feelings enter into the picture, that's where I feel a line should be drawn.
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There was a blog somewhere and the person pointed out that if the bans keep up at the current rate, the TL mods will ban the entire community within 3.5 years.
So yes, I can see where the OP is coming from.
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Some of the mods are very prude. Have you seen the huge ban streaks some of them rack up in the ban thread?
It's kind of ridiculous.
User was banned for this post.
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As a relatively new TL.net user, sure, I am wary of my posts. I want to build a decent reputation and not be written off as just another fool. At the same time however, I am a bit of an ass when I am not thinking about it, so my foot finds its way into my mouth on occassion.
That is why I think TL is a good community site: you have the opportunity to build that reputation, you can learn more about the game(s) we all enjoy and grow as a player, and if you do something stupid the mod's let you know so you can improve from it.
In my short tiem here I have built the mindset that so long as I am polite and try to explain my thought process with each post, I am doing something right.
So, to answer your question directly, yes I am a little afraid of the Banhammer (as a poster should be!) but I think that fear should vanish over time. Its just trepidition about being on a real forum instead of lurking a troll fest.
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If you don't make stupid posts, nothing bad will happen.
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I've never felt at risk of being banned. Staff are posters first and staff second on the forum in my experience, which means nobody is gunning for your head should you follow the rules. If you're actually genuinely fearful of the staff on a regular basis ... personally I'd probably find that makes it harder to keep posting constructively and enjoy the community. Everyone's different though, that makes a community. I just try and post when I have something to add (with respect) and avoiding trolling because it's not even appropriate 99.95% of the time. If there was any awkwardness where a specific staff member and I didn't get along then I wouldn't go out of my way to antagonise them.
Works out alright for me.
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There is an obvious problem, they closed the mlg discussion thread....a thread about a huge starcraft tournament.....um okay, you didn't want people to discuss the antics between HuK and idra?
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i always add extra sentences to my post
so no one will warn me
you know
man
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I always think about it like this...
You're in a hall with strangers and not so strangers.
Someone opens a conversation.
Another makes a slightly off comment.
Still another was outright ridiculous.
What do you do? Do you jump to their faces and tell them they are wrong or stupid?
The logics of social graces follow, no matter what the platform.
Let us take it upon ourselves to always, always elevate the discussion no matter what.
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I've been reading TL for years, but the strict moderation always kept me from registering here. I am not retarded poster, but sometimes I write something silly or what I think is funny, that's just the way I am, but from my internet experience I wouldn't be banned for that anywhere, except TL. My point being, TL moderation team made some kind of iron curtain from the rest of the internet. But maybe that's the main goal of TL staff? Less active users won't generate more page visits or more sponsors.
Everything else is pretty much great on TL(especially the e-sports coverage), but more easy atmosphere would be appreciated. Most of the users are literate and read the first commandment when logging in, but do you really throw away guests from your house when they make an occasional joke? Just because you are grumpy it doesn't mean everyone else didn't like it.
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i was a lurker since my Iccup days, so i know a bit what's bannable or not. Also like tofucake stated in some threads you'll have to be more carefull than others
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No I don't feel afraid of logging in. The most important thing to remember is that you should be contributing to the community, not disparaging it, took me a while to realize though since being used to less serious forums. This is also especially important when you're a newcomer with few posts. The tolerance level is higher for those who have been here longer and/or contributed. It's almost like you earn a get out of jail card!
Though I still feel that a few bans are questionable but, 99.9% are not and the TL staff is doing an excellent job of keeping this the best forum in the entire gaming community.
Post with common sense and you'll be fine!
(This is just my interpretation of how the forum moderation works and not by any means something to rely upon.)
PS. Don't ever talk about balance or use memes, even if it's justified xD
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Been warned a couple of times, mostly due to the fact that I really suck at getting my point across so I regularly come across as either incorrect or not reading the OP (of course, the fact that I've done both of those on occasion hasn't helped my track record).
Still, you have to be pretty out there in your posts to get a temp ban of any moderate length of time, so I just make sure to draft and redraft my walls of text and I don't worry too much afterward.
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Oh the karma, the irony, the pure awesomeness of someone being banned in the 'are you afraid of beening banned' thead
that actually made my day, thanks mod! (and to a degree banned poster heh)
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I used to be a little scared in my first year here, but now I don't fear it at all.
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On April 04 2011 02:26 Grobyc wrote:
I used to be a little scared in my first year here, but now I don't fear it at all.
First, I read the reply ("ok")... then the post count (watthe...) then the ID (hahaha)
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If I wouldn't say it to someones face I wont post it.
If you think before you post there is nothing to fear.
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I do feel unwarranted trepidation when I click the login button. But then again I have an unnecessary uneasiness around authority. Like when I see a cop car, I feel agitated and nervous, and run through my head what I could be in trouble for, even when I've done nothing wrong. I attribute it to growing up in Singapore, when one can get in trouble/fined for minor things like eating on the train .
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Overall, it's probably a good thing. It improves the overall quality of the posts and keeps this place from being the cesspool that many forums turn into.
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On April 04 2011 03:00 Gofarman wrote:
If I wouldn't say it to someones face I wont post it.
If you think before you post there is nothing to fear.
I can't apply both of those at the same time. I censor myself more here than most times IRL, depending on the situation. I'm actually not too afraid of banning, because I try not to be a jerk on other people's forums. (Relatively public ones have been known to be a slightly different story, based on the specific rules.)
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No, i dont have any fear at all of being banned. I normally can control myself pretty good and try not to trashtalk or flame someoe. Basically i just behave more or less like i would in RL, and since i'm a friendly person (:D) it's pretty hard to get in trouble.
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I think sometimes we hear horror stories of people who are raging over being banned. The problem the mods face is that they have to lean toward the ban more than not because when you have a community this large, it would be very easy for everything to get out of hand. I think they do a good job and appreciate the difficulty they face in modding an incredibly large community.
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Mods are humans, sometimes they do not make the best decisions when banning people, but that is the very small price you pay to keep this site from turning into the battle.net forums.
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I dont really post that much. I did get a 2 week ban once becasue of some sc2 beta key roulette thing.
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I had a well thought out post about the Dimaga vs San game, and 1 line of my post included "because forcefields are so strong" and got banned for 3 days. Just plain stupid. Not letting people talk about balance in a game that is clearly not balanced makes no sense. People want to pretend this is BW and thinking the game is imbalanced makes you look "stupid" but imagine taking vanilla starcraft and running the GSL and paying people $60,000 for abusing imbalances. Makes perfect sense, right?
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As someone who has been banned from the Legacy Battle.net forums on dozens (if not hundreds) of occasions and permanently banned half-a-dozen times from the Starcraft II forums, it's surprisingly easy to not get banned from this forum. I've yet to get a warning or a ban. You just don't say stupid crap. And if someone else says stupid crap, you go into full detail explaining why it was stupid crap. You don't say "lol ur a dumbass" and call it a day.
The problem that a lot of heavily-moderated forums endure is that the ground rules for the forum don't eliminate discourtesy. Know how sports leagues banned fighting and dirty hits, which ultimately allows dirty players to become dirtier because they won't face any real repercusion? Moderation often simply changes the way forums go to flame war, i.e. "lol ur a dumbass" becomes "I do not wish to call you a dumbass at this time because your parents are trying to get you into a nice school and I do not wish to harm your emotional capacity and how it will impact your future endeavors, even though I would usually do so." It changes the playing field in a way where people can be really vicious with a smile. And that drives a lot of people nuts. I don't see much of that going on here. Maybe it happened at one point, I wouldn't know. I'm not qualified to speak about it. Since I've been posting and reading on these forums, the moderators have been pretty off-handed about letting people get their points across, so no qualms here.
That said, if anyone here thinks the TeamLiquid moderators are a daily death march kind-of crowd, I can assure you: There are web sites that are far, far, far more strict.
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On April 03 2011 03:28 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Mods are humans, and as such they have their ignorances, I've seen a lot of cases on fora where someone who was right was basically banned. I've seen cases of people being called trolls because they tried to explain the physical concept of tunneling and how there is a slight chance you can step through a wall. This is true, mods didn't know, how could they? It sounds incredible, but it's true, so they got banned while being right.
It never fails - I see someone complaining about moderation, check their history, and sure enough, they've racked up quite a few warnings/bans. Hint: I'm talking about you.
I will also make the connection that your "observations" are actually based on yourself, not on others. We will NEVER ban someone for simply "being wrong" (or what we perceive as being wrong) in an argument. In fact, I know there are plenty of times I've banned someone who I ever agreed with, in terms of the content they were trying to present.
However, no one is banned for the argument they were trying to make. They get banned for their attitude, their delivery, their offensive/aggressive nature, etc. etc. You can be right all you want, but if you have the attitude "I'm RIGHT and you guys are fucking idiots, stfu", then guess what? You're getting banned.
So, let's review your history since I guarantee it's 100% relevant here...
1st warning - created a new topic for something there were MANY existing topics on. Content irrelevant.
2nd warning - Bring up an argument in a thread were it was unrelated, thus derailing that topic. The mod even recommended creating a new topic on it. Again, content irrelevant.
1st ban - Insulting post directed at a specific contributing and long time member of the community. Content irrelevant.
2nd ban - Sarcastic/smart reply in a thread. Content irrelevant.
See a trend here? None of the disciplinary action has ANYTHING to do with how "right or wrong" you were. Why? Because it doesn't matter.
And if you try to claim that your vague generalizations are NOT about you, please by all means, link me to some examples.
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I've only ever been banned off one forum (that I was still intending to use, I probably got IP banned from another when I left a clan after some unreasonable requests were made.)
The one forum was for DC Universe Online, the ban was for 24 hours, and the reason was for overt hostility towards the mods when they pissed in my cheerios by changing my name (Hell apparently being inappropriate on their forums, even though it was in in-game dialogue.) I was also being incredibly hostile toward the terrible customer support and patch support the game was getting, on their forums. Bans are hard to get usually.
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JD threads and LRs always get me into trouble. Cant help it. I scream like a girl everytime JD plays, as i believe any true BW fans should! There are a few occasions where I got banned for 4chan/memeesque posts. I knew the ban was unjustified because it is never my intention to do it, but i dont raise it to the mods. Saves their time and mine.
In short, just keep it level and keep things in perspective. It would truly be an anomaly to just be banned for nothing.
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Of course, one-liners are pretty bad to post,
HOWEVER, I think they are appropriate when they are tasteful and followed by a post that is relevant to the discussion, written in a good manner.
For example, most of my posts are in the format of:
One-liner
Anyways/Jokes aside/Nevertheless... discussion
Also... more discussion
words words words
Then again, I tend to write way too much to convey relatively mundane topics. Oh well.
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United States24665 Posts
On April 04 2011 02:02 Facehugger wrote:
I've been reading TL for years, but the strict moderation always kept me from registering here. I am not retarded poster, but sometimes I write something silly or what I think is funny, that's just the way I am, but from my internet experience I wouldn't be banned for that anywhere, except TL. My point being, TL moderation team made some kind of iron curtain from the rest of the internet. But maybe that's the main goal of TL staff? Less active users won't generate more page visits or more sponsors.
Everything else is pretty much great on TL(especially the e-sports coverage), but more easy atmosphere would be appreciated. Most of the users are literate and read the first commandment when logging in, but do you really throw away guests from your house when they make an occasional joke? Just because you are grumpy it doesn't mean everyone else didn't like it.
TL doesn't value money and sponsorships over the quality of the community... even now.
TL also doesn't ban people because they 'make an occasional joke'.
A lot of the things you enjoy about the community would be worse if there was the 'easier atmosphere' you wanted. I'm not saying there aren't always better ways to make the community more accessible to new users or anything like that, though.
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I got warned for the first time for posting a picture of Bobby Kotick amidst a few pages of people raging about LAN when the 40minute MVP vs dimaga game DC'd. Pretty lame IMO, don't see how that could offend anyone that doesn't not want there to be LAN.
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United States24665 Posts
On April 04 2011 11:38 Teogamer wrote:
I got warned for the first time for posting a picture of Bobby Kotick amidst a few pages of people raging about LAN when the 40minute MVP vs dimaga game DC'd. Pretty lame IMO, don't see how that could offend anyone that doesn't not want there to be LAN.
Er we don't allow people to just post a single silly picture on any thread except for the funny pic thread...
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I got banned for the username "Sieg"
Apparently, it offends German users. Every time it's by that Kennegit kid.
User was banned for dodging a ban.
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I had some worries when I was posting in a religious topic that when I enevitably got flamed, that I would be blamed and would get banned. Otherwise I don't really hit the *post* button when I might make an off the cuff remark. There have been several times I've just been really irritated by someone and typed a harshly worded response, only to say to myself, "Self, this is the internet. The other guy isn't probably going to care, and you are just going to look foolish if you hit that post button." So I don't.
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United States24665 Posts
On April 04 2011 11:40 Zieg wrote:
I got banned for the username "Sieg"
Apparently, it offends German users. Every time it's by that Kennegit kid.
Actually you've been warned/banned by several mods over several accounts... and it's no surprise really with the attitude you have. LOL "Kennigit kid"
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there seems to be a much more strict deal with religion discussions nowadays. Idra and myself wouldve gotten banned a bunch before = ). Finally got banned once after i got sick of dealing with the people in the sc2 forum. Was actually shocked I was banned tbh.
Topics get closed really fast nowadays though =(
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On April 04 2011 11:42 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 11:40 Zieg wrote:
I got banned for the username "Sieg"
Apparently, it offends German users. Every time it's by that Kennegit kid. Actually you've been warned/banned by several mods over several accounts... and it's no surprise really with the attitude you have. LOL "Kennigit kid"
was just about to quote it and the [red] was inserted had to do a double take
I got a 2fer for saying someone can go TUCK themself in
no complaints though it's understandable
I find the best thing to do when you write out your post is think do you really care THAT much about the topic and unless you care about everything the answer will most likely be no and then you just click back and forget it ever existed
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Got a warning once, but then Plexa showed me how to be a better poster.
<3 Plexa-We miss your waffle
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On April 04 2011 03:51 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 03:28 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Mods are humans, and as such they have their ignorances, I've seen a lot of cases on fora where someone who was right was basically banned. I've seen cases of people being called trolls because they tried to explain the physical concept of tunneling and how there is a slight chance you can step through a wall. This is true, mods didn't know, how could they? It sounds incredible, but it's true, so they got banned while being right.
It never fails - I see someone complaining about moderation, check their history, and sure enough, they've racked up quite a few warnings/bans. Hint: I'm talking about you. It actually failed quite a few times, there have been a lot of people in this thread who complained about moderation, have they all gotten warnings or bans?
Should I make the 'connection' that your searched us all but I was the only person you could pick dirt on? This entire thread is filled with people who have been some-what observant of a loose banhammer.
I will also make the connection that your "observations" are actually based on yourself, not on others. We will NEVER ban someone for simply "being wrong" (or what we perceive as being wrong) in an argument. In fact, I know there are plenty of times I've banned someone who I ever agreed with, in terms of the content they were trying to present. Of course you have, and you should, I've seen a case of someone being banned for saying you should defend a (non +1) 4gate with mass lings and +1 carapace. Definitely wrong as the +1 carapace makes no difference and that person was banned for being wrong.
There have been cases here of people banned for simply stating nonsense.
However, no one is banned for the argument they were trying to make. They get banned for their attitude, their delivery, their offensive/aggressive nature, etc. etc. You can be right all you want, but if you have the attitude "I'm RIGHT and you guys are fucking idiots, stfu", then guess what? You're getting banned. The person I spoke off above had no attitude whatsoever, he just said it in one sentence and got banned for saying nonsense.
Also, do you honestly hold yourself in such regard that you are able to flawlessly perceive this 'attitude' through the plain text on a forum? Which was more or less the thing I spoke off.
1st warning - created a new topic for something there were MANY existing topics on. Content irrelevant. I did a search on 'Sentry first' and found no topic about it.
2nd warning - Bring up an argument in a thread were it was unrelated, thus derailing that topic. The mod even recommended creating a new topic on it. Again, content irrelevant. I don't see how discussing the validity and reliability of Myers Briggs is unrelated to a topic ABOUT Myers-Briggs?
Interestingly enough, the warning note said that it was comprehensive and the kind of posting that they wanted to encourage, just off topic.
I honestly don't see the off-topic part about discussing the validity of the system in a thread that hopes to use that system to gather some meaningful perspective.
1st ban - Insulting post directed at a specific contributing and long time member of the community. Content irrelevant. Insulting?
I said I agreed with him but felt that it was not the way to show it, I never used any offensive language or anything like that.
2nd ban - Sarcastic/smart reply in a thread. Content irrelevant. No, it wasn't 'sarcastic' at all or 'trolling' as the mod called it. Admittedly it was in Finnish in a Finnish threat but it was quite all quite serious. I basically said in Finnish 'I signed up, because I find interesting the quirks if Finnish culture' and then proceeded to mention something about suicide rates, which I think is interesting from a cultural perspective which some people perceive as trolling apparently.
See a trend here? None of the disciplinary action has ANYTHING to do with how "right or wrong" you were. Why? Because it doesn't matter.
And if you try to claim that your vague generalizations are NOT about you, please by all means, link me to some examples. As far as this forum: going through the automated ban list:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=623#12465
Is this really ban worthy? He does have pretty big hands? There isn't a solid indication that it was meant in an insulting way.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=623#12480
There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=622#12458
What exactly is 'ignorant' about this? It's an opinion, if he praised Day[9] with the same staunch self-conviction no one would care methinks.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=622#12460
Come one, again, an opinion, really, can't people post that someone has lost their respect, he isn't even being self-righteous here.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=616#12325
This one seems especially suspicious.
I'm just saying, a lot of people do seem to get the hurt a lot for just speaking their mind about respected people. Not really the stuff I would find ban-worthy, of course, there are a lot of cases in the ban thread that is warranted, but really, the last one is pretty far off I'd say, especially the reason.
And yes, I do get into conflict with establishments at quite a few case and like to argue technicalia to the point that a lot of people find that I argue for the sake of arguing minutiae. But that's not the core of my point, the core of my point is that it's very hard to read 'attitude' through simple text on a forum and it's thus a though and very subjective criterion to ban people on.
Also, it's only human to read an 'arrogant attitude' when you simply don't agree with someone. Take HuK some people say his attitude his arrogant, other people say he's really friendly. 'Attitude' seems to be a pretty subjective quality that is in the eye of the beholder.
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As you can see by my post count, I just made this account. I've been coming to TL for many months now for all my SC2 news and streams, and finally decided to register myself and contribute a little. I know TL as the strictest, most pleasant gaming community I've ever seen. I will probably fear a warning or ban for quite some time until I get settled in.
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Canada13389 Posts
After 6 months and 1k posts I have yet to be warned so I figure I must be doing something right when I post with the 10 commandments of tl.net in mind and when you know I read the OP
+ Show Spoiler +On April 04 2011 11:56 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 03:51 EvilTeletubby wrote:On April 03 2011 03:28 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:
Mods are humans, and as such they have their ignorances, I've seen a lot of cases on fora where someone who was right was basically banned. I've seen cases of people being called trolls because they tried to explain the physical concept of tunneling and how there is a slight chance you can step through a wall. This is true, mods didn't know, how could they? It sounds incredible, but it's true, so they got banned while being right.
It never fails - I see someone complaining about moderation, check their history, and sure enough, they've racked up quite a few warnings/bans. Hint: I'm talking about you. It actually failed quite a few times, there have been a lot of people in this thread who complained about moderation, have they all gotten warnings or bans? Should I make the 'connection' that your searched us all but I was the only person you could pick dirt on? This entire thread is filled with people who have been some-what observant of a loose banhammer. Show nested quote +I will also make the connection that your "observations" are actually based on yourself, not on others. We will NEVER ban someone for simply "being wrong" (or what we perceive as being wrong) in an argument. In fact, I know there are plenty of times I've banned someone who I ever agreed with, in terms of the content they were trying to present. Of course you have, and you should, I've seen a case of someone being banned for saying you should defend a (non +1) 4gate with mass lings and +1 carapace. Definitely wrong as the +1 carapace makes no difference and that person was banned for being wrong. There have been cases here of people banned for simply stating nonsense. Show nested quote +However, no one is banned for the argument they were trying to make. They get banned for their attitude, their delivery, their offensive/aggressive nature, etc. etc. You can be right all you want, but if you have the attitude "I'm RIGHT and you guys are fucking idiots, stfu", then guess what? You're getting banned. The person I spoke off above had no attitude whatsoever, he just said it in one sentence and got banned for saying nonsense. Also, do you honestly hold yourself in such regard that you are able to flawlessly perceive this 'attitude' through the plain text on a forum? Which was more or less the thing I spoke off. Show nested quote +1st warning - created a new topic for something there were MANY existing topics on. Content irrelevant. I did a search on 'Sentry first' and found no topic about it. Show nested quote +2nd warning - Bring up an argument in a thread were it was unrelated, thus derailing that topic. The mod even recommended creating a new topic on it. Again, content irrelevant. I don't see how discussing the validity and reliability of Myers Briggs is unrelated to a topic ABOUT Myers-Briggs? Interestingly enough, the warning note said that it was comprehensive and the kind of posting that they wanted to encourage, just off topic. I honestly don't see the off-topic part about discussing the validity of the system in a thread that hopes to use that system to gather some meaningful perspective. Show nested quote +1st ban - Insulting post directed at a specific contributing and long time member of the community. Content irrelevant. Insulting? I said I agreed with him but felt that it was not the way to show it, I never used any offensive language or anything like that. No, it wasn't 'sarcastic' at all or 'trolling' as the mod called it. Admittedly it was in Finnish in a Finnish threat but it was quite all quite serious. I basically said in Finnish 'I signed up, because I find interesting the quirks if Finnish culture' and then proceeded to mention something about suicide rates, which I think is interesting from a cultural perspective which some people perceive as trolling apparently. Show nested quote +See a trend here? None of the disciplinary action has ANYTHING to do with how "right or wrong" you were. Why? Because it doesn't matter.
And if you try to claim that your vague generalizations are NOT about you, please by all means, link me to some examples. As far as this forum: going through the automated ban list: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=623#12465Is this really ban worthy? He does have pretty big hands? There isn't a solid indication that it was meant in an insulting way. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=623#12480There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=622#12458What exactly is 'ignorant' about this? It's an opinion, if he praised Day[9] with the same staunch self-conviction no one would care methinks. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=622#12460Come one, again, an opinion, really, can't people post that someone has lost their respect, he isn't even being self-righteous here. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=616#12325This one seems especially suspicious. I'm just saying, a lot of people do seem to get the hurt a lot for just speaking their mind about respected people. Not really the stuff I would find ban-worthy, of course, there are a lot of cases in the ban thread that is warranted, but really, the last one is pretty far off I'd say, especially the reason. And yes, I do get into conflict with establishments at quite a few case and like to argue technicalia to the point that a lot of people find that I argue for the sake of arguing minutiae. But that's not the core of my point, the core of my point is that it's very hard to read 'attitude' through simple text on a forum and it's thus a though and very subjective criterion to ban people on. Also, it's only human to read an 'arrogant attitude' when you simply don't agree with someone. Take HuK some people say his attitude his arrogant, other people say he's really friendly. 'Attitude' seems to be a pretty subjective quality that is in the eye of the beholder.
I really think you need to sit back and relax. The examples you give of what I can only assume is a "power hungry mod named evilteletubby" are poor at best. Anyone who has been on this forum for a while can look at all the examples you gave and objectively say that in the context they were made they were all way out of line with the rules of Teamliquid. Especially ones referencing community figureheads since you know respecting your elders and those who have put time into the community is pretty high up on the TL commandment list.
Singling out Teletubby for his moderation work that keeps these forums from being a Terrible terrible sh**show is pretty low IMO as well and further works against your position that the moderation on this site is strict.
TL has always been known as a strict forum where rules are upheld and a certain decorum of respect has been gained as a result. I feel you need to take a step back and remove yourself from the situation before you get yourself in more trouble or perhaps visit another website/forum about SC2 if you feel so strongly that the moderation here is unfair in any particular or specific way.
EDIT: placed a spoiler tag on the quote tree to cut down post length
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On April 04 2011 12:09 ZeromuS wrote:
After 6 months and 1k posts I have yet to be warned so I figure I must be doing something right when I post with the 10 commandments of tl.net in mind and when you know I read the OP
What a coincidence. I read your post and thought exactly it was my profile you're talking about (TL entry and post count), well except for the warnings/bans
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I have never being warned, don't troll, lurk the community for some good 6+ years, and yet Friday I got temp banned.
I didn't really understand why, sent a PM and never got an answer. I think I will refrain myself from posting entirely, mostly because I think the mods are innefective in some ways.
I feel like Fan Clubs are rarely, if ever, moderated. Idra's, for example, should be renamed "Idra's HATE club". I liked to post there, but I haven't in some time because it is all hate there.
I feel like the strategy section could be improved a lot, still. With closing threads. I myself was responsible for one closed thread, but never again posted a thread because I understood that it should be for higher level people. And rarely comment, unless I have something to say on topic, although sometimes I fall for some troll-bait threads, but who doesn't?
I feel like this is going to be one of my last posts here, maybe I will announce my games casting in the near future, since I'm setting this up and I think it would be good for the community to have a portuguese language caster and all, but the fear of posting is now deeply engraved into my skull.
As a matter of fact I'm thinking right now if complaining about being banned is something that warrants another ban, or critizing in any way the staff is a bannable offense. But I don't think I care anymore if I get banned, specially since I was banned without ever receiving a warning in the first place...
EDIT: Just some other note, I think that there are FAR more cases of NOT banned when needed than BANNED when not needed. My case I think was unwarranted, the other poster above even agreed it was, but I will not complain anymore
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I got banned for this post:
"I'm glad MC took the title in this fashion. It will open Blizzard's eye on how to balance the game..."
For two weeks. I didn't check teamliquid after that. It's ridiculous that 100+ people get banned for a game final thread. It's suppose to be controversial. It's suppose to be hyped. If you look at any other sports, the same thing happen. People talk about the big match for weeks, and most of the time its controversial. It's part of game spirit, and to ban someone because of something so insignificant is absurd and degrades the community. A warning would have made more sense, or even 1 day ban was even okay. Its a fricken finals thread, what the hell. After the big day, the hype will be decrease and people will post more sensible.
This 80 of the 100 people will probably be less active on teamliquid more or less quit the entire thing. Good thing for teamliquid its practically the only website that gives quick news and actually have people posting in them. I have been just following gomTV and looking at playXP/fomos to try to decipher the korean, so its not so bad. This kind of regulation will always tell me to stay away from posting and not pay attention to anything related to teamliquid( i like jinro tho XD).
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United States22154 Posts
On April 04 2011 12:21 Jotoco wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I have never being warned, don't troll, lurk the community for some good 6+ years, and yet Friday I got temp banned. I didn't really understand why, sent a PM and never got an answer. I think I will refrain myself from posting entirely, mostly because I think the mods are innefective in some ways. I feel like Fan Clubs are rarely, if ever, moderated. Idra's, for example, should be renamed "Idra's HATE club". I liked to post there, but I haven't in some time because it is all hate there. I feel like the strategy section could be improved a lot, still. With closing threads. I myself was responsible for one closed thread, but never again posted a thread because I understood that it should be for higher level people. And rarely comment, unless I have something to say on topic, although sometimes I fall for some troll-bait threads, but who doesn't? I feel like this is going to be one of my last posts here, maybe I will announce my games casting in the near future, since I'm setting this up and I think it would be good for the community to have a portuguese language caster and all, but the fear of posting is now deeply engraved into my skull. As a matter of fact I'm thinking right now if complaining about being banned is something that warrants another ban, or critizing in any way the staff is a bannable offense. But I don't think I care anymore if I get banned, specially since I was banned without ever receiving a warning in the first place... On April 04 2011 12:21 Jotoco wrote:
EDIT: Just some other note, I think that there are FAR more cases of NOT banned when needed than BANNED when not needed. My case I think was unwarranted, the other poster above even agreed it was, but I will not complain anymore
Are you sure it has nothing to do with you calling selects play "bullshit" and claiming he lost your respect after a pretty awesome build? This in the middle of the MLG day 1 thread where the mods were already pissed as hell at all the QQing. Also its just a two day ban, get over it, if you really post as well as you claim (and in your post history I found mostly one liners), then you'll never have to worry about the mods "injustly" banning you again.
Bottom line, good constructive criticizing of the mods and/or debate with them will not get you banned. Martyr posts like yours where "I got banned *once* in six years and this causes me to feel terror at posting and I may never post again" might.
Generally I've found the mods to be approachable, you can just shoot them a PM and they are more than willing to talk it out with you, assuming they aren't insanely occupied (like say in the middle of the MLG Dallas day2 LR thread)
EDIT: in reply to your edit, there is this lovely report button you have access to that can be used to summon a mod to get people who are posting stupid shit banned, its really handy, next time you see a post you think needs to be banned then click it and explain why the post is stupid. A mod will be on it before you can blink
On April 04 2011 12:27 Lokian wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I got banned for this post:
"I'm glad MC took the title in this fashion. It will open Blizzard's eye on how to balance the game..."
For two weeks. I didn't check teamliquid after that. It's ridiculous that 100+ people get banned for a game final thread. It's suppose to be controversial. It's suppose to be hyped. If you look at any other sports, the same thing happen. People talk about the big match for weeks, and most of the time its controversial. It's part of game spirit, and to ban someone because of something so insignificant is absurd and degrades the community. A warning would have made more sense, or even 1 day ban was even okay. Its a fricken finals thread, what the hell. After the big day, the hype will be decrease and people will post more sensible.
This 80 of the 100 people will probably be less active on teamliquid more or less quit the entire thing. Good thing for teamliquid its practically the only website that gives quick news and actually have people posting in them. I have been just following gomTV and looking at playXP/fomos to try to decipher the korean, so its not so bad. This kind of regulation will always tell me to stay away from posting and not pay attention to anything related to teamliquid( i like jinro tho XD).
I do believe that was the finals thread with the huge red text on top saying "any balance whine will receive a two week ban"? I'm glad the mods did that, its a LIVE REPORT thread, you know the resource where us poor sods who dont have access to gom player at the time can try to follow along. Its ok to cheer for your player, its better to post what is actually happening, its shameful to post balance whine. For me its a pain to have to read through 50 pages of "ff so imba" and "nerf protoss, zerg UP" while trying to piece what the hell happened because I can't get gom player to work on my computer. I dont see how punishing balance whine "degrades the community" and Im honestly pissed at all you people who insist that they are leaving or dont care as much on account of a single stupid ban, which was well deserved.
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On April 04 2011 12:31 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 12:21 Jotoco wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I have never being warned, don't troll, lurk the community for some good 6+ years, and yet Friday I got temp banned.
I didn't really understand why, sent a PM and never got an answer. I think I will refrain myself from posting entirely, mostly because I think the mods are innefective in some ways.
I feel like Fan Clubs are rarely, if ever, moderated. Idra's, for example, should be renamed "Idra's HATE club". I liked to post there, but I haven't in some time because it is all hate there.
I feel like the strategy section could be improved a lot, still. With closing threads. I myself was responsible for one closed thread, but never again posted a thread because I understood that it should be for higher level people. And rarely comment, unless I have something to say on topic, although sometimes I fall for some troll-bait threads, but who doesn't?
I feel like this is going to be one of my last posts here, maybe I will announce my games casting in the near future, since I'm setting this up and I think it would be good for the community to have a portuguese language caster and all, but the fear of posting is now deeply engraved into my skull.
As a matter of fact I'm thinking right now if complaining about being banned is something that warrants another ban, or critizing in any way the staff is a bannable offense. But I don't think I care anymore if I get banned, specially since I was banned without ever receiving a warning in the first place... Are you sure it has nothing to do with you calling selects play "bullshit" and claiming he lost your respect after a pretty awesome build? This in the middle of the MLG day 1 thread where the mods were already pissed as hell at all the QQing. Also its just a two day ban, get over it, if you really post as well as you claim (and in your post history I found mostly one liners), then you'll never have to worry about the mods "injustly" banning you again. Bottom line, good constructive criticizing of the mods and/or debate with them will not get you banned. Martyr posts like yours where "I got banned *once* in six years and this causes me to feel terror at posting and I may never post again" might. Generally I've found the mods to be approachable, you can just shoot them a PM and they are more than willing to talk it out with you, assuming they aren't insanely occupied (like say in the middle of the MLG Dallas day2 LR thread)
I know which post got me banned, you even get a PM sent you for that, if you don't know. I don't know WHY I got banned for it. It is my opinion, I am NOT forced to respect Select for that build, and I am allowed to think it is Bullshit. I may not call it balanced or imbalanced, which I didn't. I may not call Select names, which I didn't. I didn't really understand.
And if I was banned because "This in the middle of the MLG day 1 thread where the mods were already pissed as hell at all the QQing." then, it is not a good reason to ban someone.
I didn't say my posts were awesome and everyone should bow down to my perfect knowledge of the game. Most of my recent posts are one liners because they were from cheering over the GSL WC, which I think is fine (Since even mods do that often).
I won't answer to anyone else that quotes me and tries to call me out, like you did. Because it is pretty obvious I know which post got me banned and you're just trying to insult my intelligence, but I will not answer in the same fashion.
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I will also make the connection that your "observations" are actually based on yourself, not on others. We will NEVER ban someone for simply "being wrong" (or what we perceive as being wrong) in an argument. In fact, I know there are plenty of times I've banned someone who I ever agreed with, in terms of the content they were trying to present.
Of course you have, and you should, I've seen a case of someone being banned for saying you should defend a (non +1) 4gate with mass lings and +1 carapace. Definitely wrong as the +1 carapace makes no difference and that person was banned for being wrong.
There have been cases here of people banned for simply stating nonsense.
There is a difference of "simply stating nonsense" and being wrong. For example, if someone were to say you could support 4gate 1robo on one base, that's wrong. If someone were to say you can support 7gate 3robo on one base, then that's just being nonsensical. If you look at people who "simply state nonsense" that have all of one or two posts, you have to ask yourself, "is this really the type of person I want on my forum"? If they have more, then they have a history of "simply stating nonsense". BTW, you wanna link us to the post that got banned for that?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=623#12465
Is this really ban worthy? He does have pretty big hands? There isn't a solid indication that it was meant in an insulting way.
How is this NOT supposed to be meant in an insulting way. And even if it wasn't, with the amount of inC hate going around, the poster should have been smart enough to know not to say that.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=623#12480
There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out?
Jibba said it best. Replied to a post that had already been warned. My post count calls me a newbie, but even I know that you don't reply to a post that has been warned or banned.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=622#12458
What exactly is 'ignorant' about this? It's an opinion, if he praised Day[9] with the same staunch self-conviction no one would care methinks.
The "ignorant" part about this is him saying that Day9 gives no respect to his partner. If the poster watched any of his dailies or listened to SotG, the poster would know that Day9 does very much respect his partners.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=622#12460
Come one, again, an opinion, really, can't people post that someone has lost their respect, he isn't even being self-righteous here.
If someone is gonna hate on a respected member of the community, they better have some damn good reasons why. This post doesn't do it, it just says that "x hates x"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=616#12325
This one seems especially suspicious.
This post is a perfect example for something that would start an unnecessary argument.
Wanna give some GOOD examples of people just stating nonsense and being banned for it?
In response to OP, I'm always scared of doing something wrong, lol. Even with this post, I'm wondering if I did something wrong.
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On April 04 2011 12:41 Latrommi wrote:Show nested quote +I will also make the connection that your "observations" are actually based on yourself, not on others. We will NEVER ban someone for simply "being wrong" (or what we perceive as being wrong) in an argument. In fact, I know there are plenty of times I've banned someone who I ever agreed with, in terms of the content they were trying to present.
Of course you have, and you should, I've seen a case of someone being banned for saying you should defend a (non +1) 4gate with mass lings and +1 carapace. Definitely wrong as the +1 carapace makes no difference and that person was banned for being wrong.
There have been cases here of people banned for simply stating nonsense. There is a difference of "simply stating nonsense" and being wrong. For example, if someone were to say you could support 4gate 1robo on one base, that's wrong. If someone were to say you can support 7gate 3robo on one base, then that's just being nonsensical. If you look at people who "simply state nonsense" that have all of one or two posts, you have to ask yourself, "is this really the type of person I want on my forum"? If they have more, then they have a history of "simply stating nonsense". BTW, you wanna link us to the post that got banned for that? I'm not sure I can still search for that, it was pretty short.
But it was just an example of someone being banned for being wrong, and like I said, I agreed in this case, I was just contesting that people don't get banned for being wrong.
How is this NOT supposed to be meant in an insulting way.
Some people like thick fingers? Maybe he was just honestly wondering?
This is more or less what I talk about when I say that people ban based on interpretation, you can't really know for sure if this is meant as an insult.
Edit: To the cultural thing I outlined before again, In South Korean culture is it apparently not at all offensive to comment that people need to lose some weight, people don't take offence when you tell them apparently. What if a South Korean posted, ignorant of the fact that in American culture this is considered offensive just said 'Woohh, iNcontrol needs to lose some weight.', he could get banned while he meant nothing with it.
And even if it wasn't, with the amount of inC hate going around, the poster should have been smart enough to know not to say that. Maybe, but that is essentially punishing people for not taking into account that people have prejudices... it's banning people for giving other people the benefit of the doubt that they don't read stuff that wasn't meant.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=623#12480
There were 2 500 people saying similar things, so why does this poor one get singled out?
Jibba said it best. Replied to a post that had already been warned. My post count calls me a newbie, but even I know that you don't reply to a post that has been warned or banned.[/quote]I actually linked to the post below that, it just doesn't show well because it can't scroll down further.
The "ignorant" part about this is him saying that Day9 gives no respect to his partner. If the poster watched any of his dailies or listened to SotG, the poster would know that Day9 does very much respect his partners.
Or the poster simply disagrees with that?
Maybe he just feels after he watched it that Day[9] doesn't respect his partners?
Like I said, attitude is in the eye of the beholder.
If someone is gonna hate on a respected member of the community, they better have some damn good reasons why. This post doesn't do it, it just says that "x hates x" That's essentially what I'm saying above. The difference is that you think this is a good thing, whereas I think it's a bad thing.
I don't know, I think this social construct that people have everywhere that you need to give arguments when you disagree with the masses but not when you agree is a bit silly.
This post is a perfect example for something that would start an unnecessary argument. Nonetheless, it's a reasonable position.
Wanna give some GOOD examples of people just stating nonsense and being banned for it? I never said these were examples of people being banned for saying nonsense.
Like I said, I agree that people should be banned for saying nonsense, I was just giving examples of people giving rather innocent remarks and opinions which aren't really popular and get banned for it.
EvilTeletubby said that people aren't banned for their opinions as much as the attitude by which they bring it, I don't see a lot of attitude in a lot of those posts, just people who come with unpopular opinions a lot.
And like I said before, attitude is in the eye of the beholder. Chance has it that one of the guys in singled out in the examples has posted in this thread and he seems a bit shocked by the fact that he got banned over a remark he never meant in a rude or attitudeful way.
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United States11390 Posts
Do you realize how big those LR threads are? The MLG thread from today was over 900 pages.
It is very easy to miss stuff while going through these threads if post is not reported. If you see something that you think was missed then report post or PM mod if you don't have access to report posts yet. In addition, the poster already has an awful history of just shitting/trashing on people. (doesn't even ever back himself up so they are just trashy one-liners)
Of course, people are going to be upset over the issues that MLG had but what right does that give to just mindlessly bash people especially heroes like Day and Wheat who really saved the day by making it entertaining to watch even when games weren't on. They spent so much time filling in what otherwise would have dead time and had no control or power over what was going on. How does that entitle the poster to call Wheat "retarded" and "speaking shit" all day?
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The fear of bans instills respect for the mods and community. It makes new users more careful until they get more experience, and see where the boundaries are. It's a good thing.
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On April 04 2011 12:56 Harem wrote:Do you realize how big those LR threads are? The MLG thread from today was over 900 pages. It is very easy to miss stuff while going through these threads if post is not reported. If you see something that you think was missed then report post or PM mod if you don't have access to report posts yet. In addition, the poster already has an awful history of just shitting/trashing on people. (doesn't even ever back himself up so they are just trashy one-liners) While I agree that the top one was definitely offensive, I'm just wondering why this one was singled out.
Of course, people are going to be upset over the issues that MLG had but what right does that give to just mindlessly bash people especially heroes like Day and Wheat who really saved the day by making it entertaining to watch even when games weren't on. They spent so much time filling in what otherwise would have dead time and had no control or power over what was going on. How does that entitle the poster to call Wheat "retarded" and "speaking shit" all day? While Wheat was definitely 'bashed', the other gave a reasonable personal opinion about Day[9]. He just said he 'personally' found that Day[9] didn't gave full respect to his partner. That's not really ignorance as much as having a different opinion. He also didn't give it with any 'attitude'.
Again, I'm just presenting examples to back up my claim that people aren't per se banned for their 'attitude' all the time but because they have some nonstandard opinions yet still present them in a civilized way. I honestly don't know how he could have offered his albeit negative opinion of Day[9] in a more civilized manner, do you?
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lol there are rules for banning, but no strict interpretation of them that the mods all universally use.
hence the random bans.
it sucks, but what can ya do.
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On April 04 2011 13:02 mytent wrote:
lol there are rules for banning, but no strict interpretation of them that the mods all universally use.
hence the random bans.
it sucks, but what can ya do.
If you post in a respectful way you will never risk being banned, so you could just do that.
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On April 04 2011 13:01 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 12:56 Harem wrote:Do you realize how big those LR threads are? The MLG thread from today was over 900 pages. It is very easy to miss stuff while going through these threads if post is not reported. If you see something that you think was missed then report post or PM mod if you don't have access to report posts yet. In addition, the poster already has an awful history of just shitting/trashing on people. (doesn't even ever back himself up so they are just trashy one-liners) While I agree that the top one was definitely offensive, I'm just wondering why this one was singled out.
Because it was reported?
Please understand that it's very likely while these LR threads to be going on for there to be many, many open reports. For example, there was 18 open reports at one time today. This makes it very hard to catch all the shit that goes on in LR threads with how fast they move while also dealing with however many reports are open at the time. It's also why we encourage the use of report/PMs as there are more eyes that can catch what is missed.
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On April 04 2011 13:07 Harem wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 13:01 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:On April 04 2011 12:56 Harem wrote:Do you realize how big those LR threads are? The MLG thread from today was over 900 pages. It is very easy to miss stuff while going through these threads if post is not reported. If you see something that you think was missed then report post or PM mod if you don't have access to report posts yet. In addition, the poster already has an awful history of just shitting/trashing on people. (doesn't even ever back himself up so they are just trashy one-liners) While I agree that the top one was definitely offensive, I'm just wondering why this one was singled out. Because it was reported? Please understand that it's very likely while these LR threads to be going on for there to be many, many open reports. For example, there was 18 open reports at one time today. This makes it very hard to catch all the shit that goes on in LR threads with how fast they move while also dealing with however many reports are open at the time. It's also why we encourage the use of report/PMs as there are more eyes that can catch what is missed. Hmm, I guess it's the best that can be done with all the resources available and all.
I still don't really agree with the Day[9] guy. I'm not quite sure how he could have phrased that more civilized at all.
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I think I've had one topic closed for being really bad (which was a long time ago). Never been banned or warned but still feels like walking on egg-shells when I post. I tend to lurk more than post because of that.
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I'm never worried about being banned because I contribute to discussions in a positive manner following the forum guidelines. 90% of posters don't even need to worry as long as they do their best to be constructive and helpful to the community-- so don't fret. If you find yourself worried about being banned, maybe you should consider refining your posts and contributions rather than being bothered by it-- TL staff has to wade through a lot of chaff to keep this place clean, so give them a break.
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On April 04 2011 12:31 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 12:21 Jotoco wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I have never being warned, don't troll, lurk the community for some good 6+ years, and yet Friday I got temp banned. I didn't really understand why, sent a PM and never got an answer. I think I will refrain myself from posting entirely, mostly because I think the mods are innefective in some ways. I feel like Fan Clubs are rarely, if ever, moderated. Idra's, for example, should be renamed "Idra's HATE club". I liked to post there, but I haven't in some time because it is all hate there. I feel like the strategy section could be improved a lot, still. With closing threads. I myself was responsible for one closed thread, but never again posted a thread because I understood that it should be for higher level people. And rarely comment, unless I have something to say on topic, although sometimes I fall for some troll-bait threads, but who doesn't? I feel like this is going to be one of my last posts here, maybe I will announce my games casting in the near future, since I'm setting this up and I think it would be good for the community to have a portuguese language caster and all, but the fear of posting is now deeply engraved into my skull. As a matter of fact I'm thinking right now if complaining about being banned is something that warrants another ban, or critizing in any way the staff is a bannable offense. But I don't think I care anymore if I get banned, specially since I was banned without ever receiving a warning in the first place... And I'm just saying, theres some good people out there that get banned for a long duration for crap like this. people get exciting about a game. they post about it. they want to talk about it. and they get banned for it. where the hell can u go to do that? im looking at tl, and then another site, but theres not another one with a big community. so thats where it ends. On April 04 2011 12:21 Jotoco wrote:
EDIT: Just some other note, I think that there are FAR more cases of NOT banned when needed than BANNED when not needed. My case I think was unwarranted, the other poster above even agreed it was, but I will not complain anymore Are you sure it has nothing to do with you calling selects play "bullshit" and claiming he lost your respect after a pretty awesome build? This in the middle of the MLG day 1 thread where the mods were already pissed as hell at all the QQing. Also its just a two day ban, get over it, if you really post as well as you claim (and in your post history I found mostly one liners), then you'll never have to worry about the mods "injustly" banning you again. Bottom line, good constructive criticizing of the mods and/or debate with them will not get you banned. Martyr posts like yours where "I got banned *once* in six years and this causes me to feel terror at posting and I may never post again" might. Generally I've found the mods to be approachable, you can just shoot them a PM and they are more than willing to talk it out with you, assuming they aren't insanely occupied (like say in the middle of the MLG Dallas day2 LR thread) EDIT: in reply to your edit, there is this lovely report button you have access to that can be used to summon a mod to get people who are posting stupid shit banned, its really handy, next time you see a post you think needs to be banned then click it and explain why the post is stupid. A mod will be on it before you can blink Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 12:27 Lokian wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I got banned for this post:
"I'm glad MC took the title in this fashion. It will open Blizzard's eye on how to balance the game..."
For two weeks. I didn't check teamliquid after that. It's ridiculous that 100+ people get banned for a game final thread. It's suppose to be controversial. It's suppose to be hyped. If you look at any other sports, the same thing happen. People talk about the big match for weeks, and most of the time its controversial. It's part of game spirit, and to ban someone because of something so insignificant is absurd and degrades the community. A warning would have made more sense, or even 1 day ban was even okay. Its a fricken finals thread, what the hell. After the big day, the hype will be decrease and people will post more sensible.
This 80 of the 100 people will probably be less active on teamliquid more or less quit the entire thing. Good thing for teamliquid its practically the only website that gives quick news and actually have people posting in them. I have been just following gomTV and looking at playXP/fomos to try to decipher the korean, so its not so bad. This kind of regulation will always tell me to stay away from posting and not pay attention to anything related to teamliquid( i like jinro tho XD).
I do believe that was the finals thread with the huge red text on top saying "any balance whine will receive a two week ban"? I'm glad the mods did that, its a LIVE REPORT thread, you know the resource where us poor sods who dont have access to gom player at the time can try to follow along. Its ok to cheer for your player, its better to post what is actually happening, its shameful to post balance whine. For me its a pain to have to read through 50 pages of "ff so imba" and "nerf protoss, zerg UP" while trying to piece what the hell happened because I can't get gom player to work on my computer. I dont see how punishing balance whine "degrades the community" and Im honestly pissed at all you people who insist that they are leaving or dont care as much on account of a single stupid ban, which was well deserved.
by degrading i mean by having less people in the community potentially, random bans can become detrimental and not as beneficial as it can be when these 100+ mods all do their own thing. a simple post warrants half a month ban on a incredibly hyped thread. Who the hell reads all 100 pages of that kind of thread? It's just a place to post. Sounds more like a place to cheer and crap rather than anything discussion worthy. Forum-wise, this is a little awkward to accept. But whatev works I guess. no point in posting now. its not so much 'fear' but resentment.
i just want to go somehwere and talk about the game freely without random rules. why cant there be another teamliquid but less-religious-like? where guys can drink and post anything about the game and have fun. sigh
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Some people like thick fingers? Maybe he was just honestly wondering?
This is more or less what I talk about when I say that people ban based on interpretation, you can't really know for sure if this is meant as an insult.
Maybe, but that is essentially punishing people for not taking into account that people have prejudices... it's banning people for giving other people the benefit of the doubt that they don't read stuff that wasn't meant.
The reason people like EvilTeletubby are moderators is because they have a good interpretation of things like this. They wouldn't have become a mod if they banned everyone for posting anything at all. Also, no matter what, prejudices are bad, and it's not questionable whether they should be allowed or not. And whenever you post, it should not have an insulting tone to it, which the post did.
I actually linked to the post below that, it just doesn't show well because it can't scroll down further.
Either way, the person needs to stop attacking someone without making a valid statement. The poster just put it there like quality doesn't matter.
Or the poster simply disagrees with that?
Maybe he just feels after he watched it that Day[9] doesn't respect his partners?
Like I said, attitude is in the eye of the beholder.
He disagreed with the fact that Day9 doesn't give respect to his partners. Like the Select banning, he's attacking a respected member of the community without any arguments. Like I said, the reasons mods are mods is because they have good reasoning
That's essentially what I'm saying above. The difference is that you think this is a good thing, whereas I think it's a bad thing.
I don't know, I think this social construct that people have everywhere that you need to give arguments when you disagree with the masses but not when you agree is a bit silly.
I am not saying that when agreeing with something, you don't need reasoning. That is just called spamming, and it reduces your credibility. I'm saying that when you say something derogatory and you don't back it up, that is worse.
Nonetheless, it's a reasonable position.
It's a reasonable position that is stated in a way as to cause an argument/disagree with something without facts at all.
Like I said, I agree that people should be banned for saying nonsense, I was just giving examples of people giving rather innocent remarks and opinions which aren't really popular and get banned for it.
These people aren't "giving rather innocent remarks and opinions which aren't popular and getting banned for it" They are giving insulting remarks that are meant to cause some sort of disagreement and not giving any arguments behind it. You can look at your first post for example. You made remarks and opinions that are unpopular, but because you gave arguments behind it, you don't see a "mod edit" anywhere.
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It's just a place to post. Sounds more like a place to cheer and crap rather than anything discussion worthy.
I think this is the key difference in interpretation. To many of us, TL is not "just a place to post". This place is as awesome as it is because the standards expected are relatively high, and they are enforced fairly most of the time. I'm not going to make up a statistic here, so I'll simply say that I rarely ever see bans I disagree with. I don't see what value 300+ page threads provide over 50+ page threads that have useful content. I think typing out "crap" doesn't help the forum at all - IRC would be a place for that if you want to have the feeling of being surrounded by others enjoying an awesome event, and it doesn't make it harder for people actually trying to follow the game, distracted by "OMG SO AWESOME" or "FORCEFIELD IMBA". I guess I'm trying to say that we expect and different things from TL.
On April 04 2011 13:15 Neo7 wrote:
I think I've had one topic closed for being really bad (which was a long time ago). Never been banned or warned but still feels like walking on egg-shells when I post. I tend to lurk more than post because of that.
That's actually a pretty good rule of thumb to follow - if you're not sure whether or not you should post something, it's best to hold onto it for the time being until you've accumulated more experience - and by that I mean seeing other posts, understanding what works and doesn't work here. And honestly, even if you do get a warning for something, that's not necessarily a bad thing either - you learn from the experience what *not* to do and that's pretty valuable.
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I've found you can be critical of people, events and posters, and not get warned -- the key is to do it intelligently and (hopefully) articulately rather than say "OMG STFU FAG!" There will always be a little hostility in discourse, the key is to keep it relatively civil and not feel like you have to use language befitting a nitwit.
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I don't have any fear of banning, cause I don't post rude or stupid shit on the board. Probably going to get a warning someday for not posting a completely coherent or well thoughtout post, but that is what happens to everyone I suppose. Can't be a paragon everytime we're posting. Just remember not to be a dick.
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On April 04 2011 13:20 Latrommi wrote:Show nested quote +Some people like thick fingers? Maybe he was just honestly wondering?
This is more or less what I talk about when I say that people ban based on interpretation, you can't really know for sure if this is meant as an insult.
Maybe, but that is essentially punishing people for not taking into account that people have prejudices... it's banning people for giving other people the benefit of the doubt that they don't read stuff that wasn't meant. The reason people like EvilTeletubby are moderators is because they have a good interpretation of things like this. They wouldn't have become a mod if they banned everyone for posting anything at all. Also, no matter what, prejudices are bad, and it's not questionable whether they should be allowed or not. And whenever you post, it should not have an insulting tone to it, which the post did. How can you know he's 'good' at this? Like I said, it's subjective.
If something has an insulting tone is quite subjective.
I also doubt that people are that stupid, wouldn't be surprised if the true reason people keep posting stuff like this despite all the bans around it is because they don't really mean it in an insulting way and it gets interpreted it like that.'
I wouldn't really be insulted myself anyway if someone said that of my fingers.
Either way, the person needs to stop attacking someone without making a valid statement. The poster just put it there like quality doesn't matter.
Maybe, maybe not, but that wasn't the point I was addressing, what I was addressing is that EvilT claimed that people aren't banned because they disagree or have unpopular opinions, but because of the attitude they bring it with.
There was no attitude in that post, it was an attack on a respected person, an unpopular opinion.
He disagreed with the fact that Day9 doesn't give respect to his partners. Like the Select banning, he's attacking a respected member of the community without any arguments. Like I said, the reasons mods are mods is because they have good reasoning Maybe, maybe not, but that wasn't the point, I was providing examples to back up my claim that indeed some people are being banned for having controversial opinions, not necessarily the 'attitude' with which they bring them.
I am not saying that when agreeing with something, you don't need reasoning. That is just called spamming, and it reduces your credibility. I'm saying that when you say something derogatory and you don't back it up, that is worse.
In the majority of cases yes, but not if the masses also hold a derogatory opinion.
If you for instance call ReasoN a total dick for abusing, you won't be banned. Because that's a mainstream opinion in the community.
It isn't as much derogatory as how unorthodox the position is, it just happens to be that there aren't many derogatory opinions which are mainstream, but they do exist, and in that case you are required to back up the fact for instance that you are sympathetic to ReasoN's abusing.
It's a reasonable position that is stated in a way as to cause an argument/disagree with something without facts at all.
Maybe, maybe not, but again, that wasn't the point, I was merely providing cases of people being banned without posting with 'attitude'.
These people aren't "giving rather innocent remarks and opinions which aren't popular and getting banned for it" They are giving insulting remarks that are meant to cause some sort of disagreement and not giving any arguments behind it.
Yes, they aren't giving any arguments behind it. But like I said, people are not getting banned for not giving any argument if they just state what every-one feels.
Which was the original point, people who post things by which the majority (and by extension the mods) disagree get considerably less leeway in how well constructed their posts have to be, this isn't their 'attitude' per se.
You can look at your first post for example. You made remarks and opinions that are unpopular, but because you gave arguments behind it, you don't see a "mod edit" anywhere. I know. =P, I often get the feeling that my neurosis to back everything up to pædantic extend often saves me.. =P
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I worry about being banned cuz I'm just awful at posting.
Like really, I'm the worst.
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I got warned once for saying "balls" to an OP that I thought was balls but I didn't know one word posts weren't allowed. I haven't had any issues since then even though I feel like I might sometimes when I express my rather strong opinions.
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 04 2011 13:30 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:On April 04 2011 13:20 Latrommi wrote:Show nested quote +Some people like thick fingers? Maybe he was just honestly wondering?
This is more or less what I talk about when I say that people ban based on interpretation, you can't really know for sure if this is meant as an insult.
Maybe, but that is essentially punishing people for not taking into account that people have prejudices... it's banning people for giving other people the benefit of the doubt that they don't read stuff that wasn't meant. The reason people like EvilTeletubby are moderators is because they have a good interpretation of things like this. They wouldn't have become a mod if they banned everyone for posting anything at all. Also, no matter what, prejudices are bad, and it's not questionable whether they should be allowed or not. And whenever you post, it should not have an insulting tone to it, which the post did. How can you know he's 'good' at this? Like I said, it's subjective. If something has an insulting tone is quite subjective. I also doubt that people are that stupid, wouldn't be surprised if the true reason people keep posting stuff like this despite all the bans around it is because they don't really mean it in an insulting way and it gets interpreted it like that.' I wouldn't really be insulted myself anyway if someone said that of my fingers.
Either way, the person needs to stop attacking someone without making a valid statement. The poster just put it there like quality doesn't matter.
Maybe, maybe not, but that wasn't the point I was addressing, what I was addressing is that EvilT claimed that people aren't banned because they disagree or have unpopular opinions, but because of the attitude they bring it with. There was no attitude in that post, it was an attack on a respected person, an unpopular opinion. He disagreed with the fact that Day9 doesn't give respect to his partners. Like the Select banning, he's attacking a respected member of the community without any arguments. Like I said, the reasons mods are mods is because they have good reasoning Maybe, maybe not, but that wasn't the point, I was providing examples to back up my claim that indeed some people are being banned for having controversial opinions, not necessarily the 'attitude' with which they bring them.
I am not saying that when agreeing with something, you don't need reasoning. That is just called spamming, and it reduces your credibility. I'm saying that when you say something derogatory and you don't back it up, that is worse.
In the majority of cases yes, but not if the masses also hold a derogatory opinion. If you for instance call ReasoN a total dick for abusing, you won't be banned. Because that's a mainstream opinion in the community. It isn't as much derogatory as how unorthodox the position is, it just happens to be that there aren't many derogatory opinions which are mainstream, but they do exist, and in that case you are required to back up the fact for instance that you are sympathetic to ReasoN's abusing.
It's a reasonable position that is stated in a way as to cause an argument/disagree with something without facts at all.
Maybe, maybe not, but again, that wasn't the point, I was merely providing cases of people being banned without posting with 'attitude'.
These people aren't "giving rather innocent remarks and opinions which aren't popular and getting banned for it" They are giving insulting remarks that are meant to cause some sort of disagreement and not giving any arguments behind it.
Yes, they aren't giving any arguments behind it. But like I said, people are not getting banned for not giving any argument if they just state what every-one feels. Which was the original point, people who post things by which the majority (and by extension the mods) disagree get considerably less leeway in how well constructed their posts have to be, this isn't their 'attitude' per se. You can look at your first post for example. You made remarks and opinions that are unpopular, but because you gave arguments behind it, you don't see a "mod edit" anywhere. I know. =P, I often get the feeling that my neurosis to back everything up to pædantic extend often saves me.. =P
You seem to focus on a few points, if I'm correct
1. Things are subjective, such as knowing if ET is "good" at what he does
2. People are banned even if they don't post with "additude"
3. If people post something that is against the masses, they get unfairly banned.
1. ET was chosen to be a moderator. If he didn't have a good judgement on what is good and bad, he wouldn't have been chosen. You say that being "good" or bad at something is subjective. I agree, but the power to choose where the line is drawn is put with the moderators. Some are liberal, some are not, but they have the power to choose which is which. If the moderators were not banning comments like that, this whole site would be something like you see on 4chan's /b/. It would be chaos where no respect was given. The moderators may choose to be strict or liberal. And by looking at the state of TL right now, you can see that they do indeed have "good judgement"
2. I have to disagree with your examples here. Those posters did show additude. On April 03 2011 04:01 Veasel wrote:
The stream sucks. I wanna see games not retarded Wheat(spelling?) speaking shit all day. GAMES MOOOAR GAMES FFS
He is showing an additude towards hating Wheat. Also, you cannot brush off the fact that they are attacking a respected member of the community. If you look at the TL.net 10 Commandments thread, you can clearly see this in the 6th point.+ Show Spoiler +This also means you should think twice before calling that guy with 5000+ posts a jackass. If the guy?s been with us that long, chances are YOU?RE the one being an idiot. Some battles are just not worth fighting ? just move on.
3. The fact that if you disagree with the masses, you are "bad" is commonly known. If you make a post saying something derogatory and not anything else, you are definitely doing something wrong. However, if you actually explain why it is bad, then you may get listened to. Once again, your first post is an example. You said something not completely agreeable with, but still backed it up, which is the reason you haven't gotten banned for it. Once again, the 9th point in the TL.net 10 Commandments states that "Thou shall contribute to the site". They aren't contributing anything but hate.
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On April 04 2011 14:00 Latrommi wrote:Show nested quote ++ Show Spoiler +On April 04 2011 13:30 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:On April 04 2011 13:20 Latrommi wrote:Show nested quote +Some people like thick fingers? Maybe he was just honestly wondering?
This is more or less what I talk about when I say that people ban based on interpretation, you can't really know for sure if this is meant as an insult.
Maybe, but that is essentially punishing people for not taking into account that people have prejudices... it's banning people for giving other people the benefit of the doubt that they don't read stuff that wasn't meant. The reason people like EvilTeletubby are moderators is because they have a good interpretation of things like this. They wouldn't have become a mod if they banned everyone for posting anything at all. Also, no matter what, prejudices are bad, and it's not questionable whether they should be allowed or not. And whenever you post, it should not have an insulting tone to it, which the post did. How can you know he's 'good' at this? Like I said, it's subjective. If something has an insulting tone is quite subjective. I also doubt that people are that stupid, wouldn't be surprised if the true reason people keep posting stuff like this despite all the bans around it is because they don't really mean it in an insulting way and it gets interpreted it like that.' I wouldn't really be insulted myself anyway if someone said that of my fingers.
Either way, the person needs to stop attacking someone without making a valid statement. The poster just put it there like quality doesn't matter.
Maybe, maybe not, but that wasn't the point I was addressing, what I was addressing is that EvilT claimed that people aren't banned because they disagree or have unpopular opinions, but because of the attitude they bring it with. There was no attitude in that post, it was an attack on a respected person, an unpopular opinion. He disagreed with the fact that Day9 doesn't give respect to his partners. Like the Select banning, he's attacking a respected member of the community without any arguments. Like I said, the reasons mods are mods is because they have good reasoning Maybe, maybe not, but that wasn't the point, I was providing examples to back up my claim that indeed some people are being banned for having controversial opinions, not necessarily the 'attitude' with which they bring them.
I am not saying that when agreeing with something, you don't need reasoning. That is just called spamming, and it reduces your credibility. I'm saying that when you say something derogatory and you don't back it up, that is worse.
In the majority of cases yes, but not if the masses also hold a derogatory opinion. If you for instance call ReasoN a total dick for abusing, you won't be banned. Because that's a mainstream opinion in the community. It isn't as much derogatory as how unorthodox the position is, it just happens to be that there aren't many derogatory opinions which are mainstream, but they do exist, and in that case you are required to back up the fact for instance that you are sympathetic to ReasoN's abusing.
It's a reasonable position that is stated in a way as to cause an argument/disagree with something without facts at all.
Maybe, maybe not, but again, that wasn't the point, I was merely providing cases of people being banned without posting with 'attitude'.
These people aren't "giving rather innocent remarks and opinions which aren't popular and getting banned for it" They are giving insulting remarks that are meant to cause some sort of disagreement and not giving any arguments behind it.
Yes, they aren't giving any arguments behind it. But like I said, people are not getting banned for not giving any argument if they just state what every-one feels. Which was the original point, people who post things by which the majority (and by extension the mods) disagree get considerably less leeway in how well constructed their posts have to be, this isn't their 'attitude' per se. You can look at your first post for example. You made remarks and opinions that are unpopular, but because you gave arguments behind it, you don't see a "mod edit" anywhere. I know. =P, I often get the feeling that my neurosis to back everything up to pædantic extend often saves me.. =P You seem to focus on a few points, if I'm correct 1. Things are subjective, such as knowing if ET is "good" at what he does 2. People are banned even if they don't post with "additude" 3. If people post something that is against the masses, they get unfairly banned.
Yes / yes / and not per se, more that they get less leeway and are expected to have more intellectual baggage to back it up.
1. ET was chosen to be a moderator. If he didn't have a good judgement on what is good and bad, he wouldn't have been chosen. Bush was chosen to be a president, if he didn't have a...
You have to see that that argument won't fly? Bad leaders were chosen at any time. And good/bad is still subjective.
You say that being "good" or bad at something is subjective. I agree, but the power to choose where the line is drawn is put with the moderators. Some are liberal, some are not, but they have the power to choose which is which. Then surely they can't all be good if they have a different opinion on where to draw the line?
If the moderators were not banning comments like that, this whole site would be something like you see on 4chan's /b/. It would be chaos where no respect was given. The moderators may choose to be strict or liberal. And by looking at the state of TL right now, you can see that they do indeed have "good judgement" Wouldn't say so, on a lot of sites people have a lot more leeway to criticize 'respected members of some community' and it doesn't run into /b/ at all.
2. I have to disagree with your examples here. Those posters did show additude. Show nested quote +On April 03 2011 04:01 Veasel wrote:
The stream sucks. I wanna see games not retarded Wheat(spelling?) speaking shit all day. GAMES MOOOAR GAMES FFS He is showing an additude towards hating Wheat. Also, you cannot brush off the fact that they are attacking a respected member of the community. If you look at the TL.net 10 Commandments thread, you can clearly see this in the 6th point. + Show Spoiler +This also means you should think twice before calling that guy with 5000+ posts a jackass. If the guy?s been with us that long, chances are YOU?RE the one being an idiot. Some battles are just not worth fighting ? just move on.
And again, the Day[9] comment, I ask you, how could he have phrased it in a more civilized way? I don't see the attitude in it, and if you do, please point out how he could have phrased his opinion more politely without changing his fundamental opinion that Day[9] doesn't respect is co-casters.
3. The fact that if you disagree with the masses, you are "bad" is commonly known. If you make a post saying something derogatory and not anything else, you are definitely doing something wrong. However, if you actually explain why it is bad, then you may get listened to. Once again, your first post is an example. You said something not completely agreeable with, but still backed it up, which is the reason you haven't gotten banned for it. Once again, the 9th point in the TL.net 10 Commandments states that "Thou shall contribute to the site". They aren't contributing anything but hate. I don't deny this is true. But EvilT said it wasn't and that people were not banned for their unorthodox opinions, but for their attitude. This is something I don't agree with, people are in a lot of cases just phrasing unorthodox opinions in a very polite and civilized way and get banned for 'ignorance'.
I mean, even if he should back it up (which is besides the issue here), it has nothing to do with ignorance, it's a personal opinion. It's like calling someone who's not a fan of Tom Cruise's acting ignorant.
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I remember the good ol days Rek would just come on pissed and ban 20 random people like it was the fucking lotto
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Bush was chosen to be a president, if he didn't have a...
You have to see that that argument won't fly? Bad leaders were chosen at any time. And good/bad is still subjective.
Then surely they can't all be good if they have a different opinion on where to draw the line?
Sorry, but I don't understand the Bush comment. Also, good/bad is hazy, but it's lines are clearly defined enough so that people understand what is good and what is bad. Finally, the moderators are all good because they have a similar idea that decides what is good and what is bad.
Wouldn't say so, on a lot of sites people have a lot more leeway to criticize 'respected members of some community' and it doesn't run into /b/ at all.
If they did, it would allow no-names to criticize respected members of the community. You could say that IdrA got a lot of hate. In the end, he probably said screw it, I don't have time to deal with this and reply to everyone hating. Therefore, we may have lost a good source of smart strategy crafting. I only use IdrA as an example.
Like I said, that guy did have attitude, I just wanted to know why he was singled out from all the others. But he just was unlucky and was one of the few reported I guess.
And again, the Day[9] comment, I ask you, how could he have phrased it in a more civilized way? I don't see the attitude in it, and if you do, please point out how he could have phrased his opinion more politely without changing his fundamental opinion that Day[9] doesn't respect is co-casters.
Original Comment: This is exactly what I don't like about Day "I am big" Nine. He is just full of himself, and has absolutely no respect for his partner. He thinks they are just worthless. Pisses me off.
Better way to say it: This is exactly what I don't like about Day9. He doesn't give enough respect to his co-casters. Like at...[example]
Doesn't use as strong of a language, and gives a valid example. You have created an argument, no matter how unpopular.
I don't deny this is true. But EvilT said it wasn't and that people were not banned for their unorthodox opinions, but for their attitude. This is something I don't agree with, people are in a lot of cases just phrasing unorthodox opinions in a very polite and civilized way and get banned for 'ignorance'.
I mean, even if he should back it up (which is besides the issue here), it has nothing to do with ignorance, it's a personal opinion. It's like calling someone who's not a fan of Tom Cruise's acting ignorant.
The reason they are banned, then is because they would have started an argument. If the person who is not a fan of Tom Cruise were to post that in a forum of Tom Cruise fans, they would get banned for that because it would start an argument and derail the quality of the thread/forum.
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On April 04 2011 14:28 Latrommi wrote:Show nested quote +Bush was chosen to be a president, if he didn't have a...
You have to see that that argument won't fly? Bad leaders were chosen at any time. And good/bad is still subjective.
Then surely they can't all be good if they have a different opinion on where to draw the line? Sorry, but I don't understand the Bush comment. What I mean to say is that a lot of people who did some questionable things decision wise got to be in positions of power, it can happen everywhere.
Also, the point is, what kind of people would either search power or let power be entrusted upon him? I always wonder with what reason people like to be mods, it's a lot of work wouldn't you say?
Also, good/bad is hazy, but it's lines are clearly defined enough so that people understand what is good and what is bad. Finally, the moderators are all good because they have a similar idea that decides what is good and what is bad. Nahhh, there have been some cases of mods here openly debating with each other if some action was the right thing. Like the IdrA comment on the WeRRa scandal.
If they did, it would allow no-names to criticize respected members of the community. You could say that IdrA got a lot of hate. In the end, he probably said screw it, I don't have time to deal with this and reply to everyone hating. Therefore, we may have lost a good source of smart strategy crafting. I only use IdrA as an example.
Well, if the community wants to criticize IdrA, it's just artificial and not healthy to try to dampen that.
I also don't care about some-one's 'name' when he makes a comment and I think it's unhealthy to do so. Reputation is a silly concept. And a lot of communities flourish by the idea that a no-name can criticize a big name if he has some argument or doesn't need it at all.
Besides, criticism is a lot more productive than just mindless praise.
Original Comment: This is exactly what I don't like about Day "I am big" Nine. He is just full of himself, and has absolutely no respect for his partner. He thinks they are just worthless. Pisses me off.
Better way to say it: This is exactly what I don't like about Day9. He doesn't give enough respect to his co-casters. Like at...[example]
Doesn't use as strong of a language, and gives a valid example. You have created an argument, no matter how unpopular.
Why did he need to give an example, he said 'this is exactly what I don't like', the example was what he commented on?
Other than that, the point was that people are getting less leeway if their opinions are unpopular, as in, required to give an argument where they aren't when they just say like every other person for the trillionth time 'Woah, go Day[9], you do so much good stuff for the community.'
The reason they are banned, then is because they would have started an argument. If the person who is not a fan of Tom Cruise were to post that in a forum of Tom Cruise fans, they would get banned for that because it would start an argument and derail the quality of the thread/forum.
Yes they would, and I wouldn't say that's right.
Also, again, I don't deny it's the case, I was contesting EvilT's original point which said that it wasn't the case and people aren't banned or given less leeway because of unpopular opinions but because of 'attitude'.
and it's very human to misread an unpopular opinion as 'attitude', people simply subconsciously perceive people that don't agree with them as arrogant, that's how it goes. This even goes so far as that the amount of Terrans and Zergs who perceive MC as arrogant way exceeds the amount of Protoss players that think that.
Edit: I mean look at this thread:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=208619
It's filled to the end with completely useless stuff that doesn't add or contribute anything, there's even a person that just says 'woot', but do people get warned for it? Not at all.
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Yep.. I'm warned several times for discussing balance in my BLOG. Oh and one time warned/banned for banning some trolling mod from my blog - He got what he deserved.
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i dont really care that much but it gets annoying
i think ive been banned 2-3 times and im perm banned from sc2 strategy lol
reading some of the stuff there makes me rage
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I got my first warning this week but I kinda expected it. other than that, I'm here for over a year with kinda just a few posts but never had a problem.
I think if a poster is using common sense, a warning is as far as he can get. Getting banned with common sense on is kinda hard.
However, I remember seeing some bans that I didn't agree with, but oh well, one can't please them all!
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I do, mostly because I'm often a dick when people make retarded as fuck posts.. and that's bannable. I try to help out a lot tho to balance it out.. so I feel like.. less bad =]
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Been temp banned for gettting into some OT discussion in LR threads 2 times, was angry about it at the time, but in retrospective fair enough...
And yes im kinda scared of the bannhammer
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The mods and admins on TL do a good job and if I ever do get temp banned it's because I was posting drunk.
gg.
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Why would you ever be afraid of banning? Unless one of the mods just got dumped, had much more to drink than he should last night, and woke up with a wicked hangover bent on taking revenge on the populace of Liquidia, or is Rekrul with mod powers, there is no point in being afraid.
Don't post stupid shit, don't post offensive shit, don't post 1 liners nor "witty" memes. Is that really so hard to follow? O_0
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
Hah... yes, I'm afraid of being banned, because I'm an emotional person and dunno to what degree can I be such without getting a ban. X_x I don't think that emotions are prohibited, it's OK if I get banned sometimes, when this is needed to maintain the calmness in the forum, but LOL, I'm just afraid some day some moderator says "oh he's been banned too many times, lets just nuke him" T_T
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I've never even been warned. It's not hard....
You will be liked if you:
1) post like you have some common sense
2) don't flame other people / troll
3) don't post +1 with no actual message
4) don't say "first"
5) don't post dumb pictures that take up the whole page. This isn't 4chan
Just 5 quick examples that will keep you from getting warnings/bans.
If you get warned/banned 99.9% of the chance you deserved it.
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The mods here are great. It all comes down to the difference between perm and temp banning. You really need to be out of line before they even consider perm'ing. Warnings are friendly reminders and temp bans wear off. I don't see why you would be afraid of the banammer. It's not like Chill just randomly nukes people because it's fun.
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I kinda feel that the moderating has been a bit lax in the last year and a half or so. Back in the days, i'd often write a long-ass post and decide to just not post it because it didn't add anything of value to the discussion. I feel like fewer people do that now.
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On April 04 2011 21:25 exeprime wrote:
I kinda feel that the moderating has been a bit lax in the last year and a half or so. Back in the days, i'd often write a long-ass post and decide to just not post it because it didn't add anything of value to the discussion. I feel like fewer people do that now.
Done that several times lately in fact. Just before I post a 1000 word essay throwing myself into a heated argument, I stop to think "Is this really worth it?". And then delete the whole thing. I think the mods are doing a great job. Lets not turn this site into The Escapist. The forums there are bombarded by stupid.
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Well nah, not really, unless I know I intentionally violated something.
Actually when I get pms I get a bit scared because I know that most of the time its temp bans or warnings. I only got temp banned thrice (I don't know how I got temp banned the first time).
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
On April 04 2011 20:33 Silentness wrote:
I've never even been warned. It's not hard....
You will be liked if you:
1) post like you have some common sense
2) don't flame other people / troll
3) don't post +1 with no actual message
4) don't say "first"
5) don't post dumb pictures that take up the whole page. This isn't 4chan
No offense for you, but I didn't do any of these 5 things (I may have flamed some events or tendencies, but I didn't flame or insult forum users or people in general). But I got banned like 4 times. X_X It shows that what you've written isn't enough.
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I get banned because a certain mod doesn't like me.
So I stopped posting in general. The end.
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16978 Posts
On April 04 2011 20:33 Silentness wrote:
I've never even been warned. It's not hard....
You will be liked if you:
1) post like you have some common sense
2) don't flame other people / troll
3) don't post +1 with no actual message
4) don't say "first"
5) don't post dumb pictures that take up the whole page. This isn't 4chan
Just 5 quick examples that will keep you from getting warnings/bans.
If you get warned/banned 99.9% of the chance you deserved it.
Something else that gets a lot of people is martyring. There are actually quite a few instances of people posting something that wouldn't be actionable, but for some reason they feel compelled to add on some variant of "feel free to ban me for this" or "I know I'll get banned for this."
You can bet we take you up on that.
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United States22154 Posts
On April 05 2011 02:17 _Quasar_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 20:33 Silentness wrote:
I've never even been warned. It's not hard....
You will be liked if you:
1) post like you have some common sense
2) don't flame other people / troll
3) don't post +1 with no actual message
4) don't say "first"
5) don't post dumb pictures that take up the whole page. This isn't 4chan No offense for you, but I didn't do any of these 5 things (I may have flamed some events or tendencies, but I didn't flame or insult forum users or people in general). But I got banned like 4 times. X_X It shows that what you've written isn't enough.
Well one of your bans is there for accusing GOM/Blizzard of lying right after a mod posted in huge red letters to please post rationaly, a blanket accusation of "they are lying" does not costitute rational and thus is a violation of 1. Oh and the other post calling blizzard "shit" probably constitutes either flaming or trolling.
I do think saying "stork die pls" is a violation of 2 and probably 1, I mean wishing death on someone for playing protoss seems harsh, every other one of your posts that has a ban is due to balance whine about either z being underpowered or p being too easy. Perhaps a point 6 needs to be added, "don't whine about balance", here I'll add it
6) Dont whine about balance
happy? ^_^
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When I first heard about TL, I didnt made an account right away and even when I made one I didnt posted for a long time because I was too scared to be banned. But now I post a lot more and I didnt get warned a single time, because I think before posting and reread my posts multiple times to be sure. Really, if you don't post like a jerk, you shouldnt have any trouble here.
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Since I received my first warning I try to refrain from posting.
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Tl mods are strict, but they do justice.
No fear here.
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On April 05 2011 02:17 _Quasar_ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 20:33 Silentness wrote:
I've never even been warned. It's not hard....
You will be liked if you:
1) post like you have some common sense
2) don't flame other people / troll
3) don't post +1 with no actual message
4) don't say "first"
5) don't post dumb pictures that take up the whole page. This isn't 4chan No offense for you, but I didn't do any of these 5 things (I may have flamed some events or tendencies, but I didn't flame or insult forum users or people in general). But I got banned like 4 times. X_X It shows that what you've written isn't enough.
Actually, you did do 2 of these 5 things... specifically #1 and #2.
Let's review your history...
1st ban - You were martyring "you can warn/ban me for this"
1st warning - Flaming Blizzard. Not constructively of course, more like "GO TO HELL BLIZZARD"
2nd ban - Since you didn't heed warning #1 and kept on going, you were banned for not heeding the warning (no common sense).
3rd ban - Flaming and no common sense in 1! You complain about balance (for SC1 much less haha) in a live report thread, and say quote "Stork die pls."
2nd warning - quoting you exactly: "fuck these terran drops go to hell pls"
4th ban - again, no common sense, whining about balance in a live report thread: "how shitty P really needs to play to lose anyway?
it seems that with any level of shitness they always have a chance wtf..."
5th ban - Complaining, AGAIN IN A LIVE REPORT THREAD WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE BANS ALREADY, about balance. This time, about ZvZ (yes, you complained about the balance of a mirror matchup) in a brood war live report thread.
Seeing any patterns yet???
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On April 05 2011 06:02 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 02:17 _Quasar_ wrote:On April 04 2011 20:33 Silentness wrote:
I've never even been warned. It's not hard....
You will be liked if you:
1) post like you have some common sense
2) don't flame other people / troll
3) don't post +1 with no actual message
4) don't say "first"
5) don't post dumb pictures that take up the whole page. This isn't 4chan No offense for you, but I didn't do any of these 5 things (I may have flamed some events or tendencies, but I didn't flame or insult forum users or people in general). But I got banned like 4 times. X_X It shows that what you've written isn't enough. Actually, you did do 2 of these 5 things... specifically #1 and #2. Let's review your history... 1st ban - You were martyring "you can warn/ban me for this" 1st warning - Flaming Blizzard. Not constructively of course, more like "GO TO HELL BLIZZARD" 2nd ban - Since you didn't heed warning #1 and kept on going, you were banned for not heeding the warning (no common sense). 3rd ban - Flaming and no common sense in 1! You complain about balance (for SC1 much less haha) in a live report thread, and say quote "Stork die pls." 2nd warning - quoting you exactly: "fuck these terran drops go to hell pls" 4th ban - again, no common sense, whining about balance in a live report thread: "how shitty P really needs to play to lose anyway? it seems that with any level of shitness they always have a chance wtf..." 5th ban - Complaining, AGAIN IN A LIVE REPORT THREAD WHERE YOU HAVE MULTIPLE BANS ALREADY, about balance. This time, about ZvZ (yes, you complained about the balance of a mirror matchup) in a brood war live report thread. Seeing any patterns yet???
O_O Evilteletubby laying down the law! :D
Actually quite funny to read this...embarrassingly enough >\\\<
I have been guilty of shine-bashing with an image macro :"D almost all of us slip up, and it really is quite hard to get banned unless one posts with a clear lack of common sense (etc., etc.).
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On April 05 2011 02:20 L wrote:
I get banned because a certain mod doesn't like me.
So I stopped posting in general. The end.
With 2 of your 3 bans coming from me, I'm guessing I know where this is being directed.
Anywho, you flatter yourself a bit too much if you think I don't like you. Honestly, I don't dislike you or even really put that much thought into you as a poster. I did, however, notice your uncanny ability to completely derail discussion/debate threads. That's exactly what your first ban from me was for (a mere 2 days), and only a month later, you did the SAME THING again and received a 1 week ban.
I truly don't care if you continue to post or not, even in debate threads. If you want to, fine. If you get very spirited in the process, great. However, that does not excuse you from still being respectful to other posters on this website. When you get so heated that you're throwing personal insults at other posters, can we agree it's time to take a break?
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its stupidly easy to get overzealous posting in debate threads. stupid internet anonymity and whatnot. i have to remove myself from them all the time.
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On April 05 2011 06:09 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 02:20 L wrote:
I get banned because a certain mod doesn't like me.
So I stopped posting in general. The end. With 2 of your 3 bans coming from me, I'm guessing I know where this is being directed. Anywho, you flatter yourself a bit too much if you think I don't like you. Honestly, I don't dislike you or even really put that much thought into you as a poster. I did, however, notice your uncanny ability to completely derail discussion/debate threads. That's exactly what your first ban from me was for (a mere 2 days), and only a month later, you did the SAME THING again and received a 1 week ban. I truly don't care if you continue to post or not, even in debate threads. If you want to, fine. If you get very spirited in the process, great. However, that does not excuse you from still being respectful to other posters on this website. When you get so heated that you're throwing personal insults at other posters, can we agree it's time to take a break?
Sort of offtopic, but I read "uncanny ability to completely derail ..." and I couldn't help but recall my feeling that I have an uncanny ability to complete bring threads to a standstill~!
Seriously, maybe I'm just being a bit self-centered, but I've noticed that after I post, the entire thread seems to come to a complete standstill, or maybe one/two trailing posts follow mine...whether the thread has several thousand views or is just starting, more often than not I seem to bring the thread to a total halt...
Yeah, probably self-flattery, or maybe impatience....
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
Silmakuoppaanikinko:
I think other posters have already summed up my feelings nicely with regards to the specific examples you pointed out (if any are still unclear, feel free to point them out). I have absolutely no problem defending/justifying any administrative action I take. In fact, I'm a proponent of as much transparency as possible - I have nothing to hide.
Here is my take on your stance, let me know if I'm way off base. It seems to you, to all boil down to, not the content or popularity of the content, but in my perception of the intent behind the content. Does that sound about right?
If that's what you're trying to say, then I have this to respond with: I agree with you 100%. Fact is, I absolutely DO issue our warnings/bans on what I PERCEIVE to be the intent behind a post. And I don't believe there is anything wrong with that. And even if I am wrong, and it was an innocent comment that was just misunderstood due to a language/cultural barrier - is it still not wrong to set the correct expectation to at least have them review their wording more carefully in the future? If *I* can see how offense would be taken to a comment (and I'm really a pretty laid back guy irl), I would expect that others could be offended too.
An analogy if you will - Manifesto7 invites me to stay with his family in Japan. I go into their house, don't take off my shoes, and track mud through the home. I had no intention of creating a social faux pas, however, I did and I would expect to get corrected. Whether they do it politely (ie, a warning) or start yelling at me (ie, a ban), I would expect them to correct me nonetheless. If I knowingly did not take off my shoes and ran through the house yelling "HAHAHA!!", then I'd really expect to get it.
So I would like to think the only serious beef anyone could have with my disciplinary actions is the severity - should I have warned someone instead of banning them? Could a 2 day have served the same effect as a 2 week ban? Honestly, these are things I do weigh out before making a decision.
In fact, before I take ANY action I generally weigh out these things:
1) The person's tenure.
2) Prior warning/banning history, how recent prior warnings were, and whether or not they're relevant.
3) The severity of the offense.
4) The intent behind the offense.
5) What type of disciplinary action is appropriate given the above factors.
Do I always get it right? No, I fully admit I will sometimes be a little harsh at first, and realize I should have had a lighter hand. Sometimes it's the other way around too (ie, I might ban someone for 2 days then find some really offensive posts and wish I would have banned them for longer). Do I ever think any of my actions are with ANY justification? No, I do not. If they weren't, I don't think I would still be a moderator here (and I've been on TL.net for over 7 years now, a mod for about 5).
Anyways, that's my take on it.
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On April 05 2011 06:14 Gene wrote:
its stupidly easy to get overzealous posting in debate threads. stupid internet anonymity and whatnot. i have to remove myself from them all the time.
Excellent example - you think before posting. You also have zero warnings/bans. You could be a lesson to others.
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I've had all of my posts closed, yet I stand firm in the belief that I've been done wrong. All of my posts were courteous and respectful with relevant subject matter with the sole purpose of soliciting a discussion from the community. I'm upset.
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On April 02 2011 01:46 EZjijy wrote:
If I ever have to question the value of my post, I end up not posting it. Usually.
Couldn't agree more.
I don't post at all pretty much, but it's not because of some fear from getting banned it's more like I have respect for the community and since I have nothing to contribute with at least I don't spam :S
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On April 05 2011 06:32 kurse3 wrote:
I've had all of my posts closed, yet I stand firm in the belief that I've been done wrong. All of my posts were courteous and respectful with relevant subject matter with the sole purpose of soliciting a discussion from the community. I'm upset.
I just took a look at the threads you've made and... I completely agree with every single one of them being close.
They look like things you'd find on the B.net forums...
"Who is the best player?", "Most difficult race to play?", "Where is the SEA server" (you could have searched for this), "Promotions after the patch?" (again, you could have searched for your answer), and "which language should I learn?".
Not exactly stimulating gems buddy. Having a 5 threads to 1 reply ratio is absolutely horrible. I would strongly advise you not create a thread for a LONG time until you learn what is expected around here.
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On April 05 2011 06:35 Axonn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 01:46 EZjijy wrote:
If I ever have to question the value of my post, I end up not posting it. Usually. Couldn't agree more. I don't post at all pretty much, but it's not because of some fear from getting banned it's more like I have respect for the community and since I have nothing to contribute with at least I don't spam :S
And we <3 that attitude.
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On April 05 2011 06:28 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 06:14 Gene wrote:
its stupidly easy to get overzealous posting in debate threads. stupid internet anonymity and whatnot. i have to remove myself from them all the time. Excellent example - you think before posting. You also have zero warnings/bans. You could be a lesson to others.
This reminds me of when a school teacher praises a quiet restrained young boy for behaving extremely well and getting good grades.
You know what happens to that young boy afterwards?
Well he probably ends up living a mild, mediocre, linear and uneventful life.
But what i like to think happens to him after school and gives me a chubby just at the very thought of it. He gets beat the fuck up by the other kids for his passive mild mannered superiority and giving them a bad image by comparison.
What do you think Tubby, does this kid deserve to be beat up after school or not?
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People are expendable, ban happy mode is initiated.
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On April 05 2011 06:37 iSometric wrote:
"Spell out rly"
RoFL!
Uh, yes. We are known as being a quality forum for a reason - people writing in 'rly' being acceptable would not help.
Here was your entire (worthless) comment btw:
On April 04 2011 11:44 TL.net Bot wrote:From: TL.net Bot Subject: Warning! This is a Warning!
Inappropriate.
And please spell out the word "really."
Thanks in advance for your cooperation,
The Mod Staff
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On April 05 2011 06:39 iSometric wrote:
People are expendable, ban happy mode is initiated.
People who create worthless posts and never add anything to the discussion are, yes. If you have a problem with our standards, we can settle this right now if you'd like.
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On April 05 2011 06:32 kurse3 wrote:
I've had all of my posts closed, yet I stand firm in the belief that I've been done wrong. All of my posts were courteous and respectful with relevant subject matter with the sole purpose of soliciting a discussion from the community. I'm upset.
Maybe it has to do with the fact that out of your 7 posts, 6 are new threads.
Maybe you shoul try to participate on the other topics and use the serach function just to be sure your thread idea hasn't been covered somewhere else.
I'm not a mod, so that's my 5 cents.
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Baltimore, USA22253 Posts
On April 05 2011 06:37 AlexDeLarge wrote:
What do you think Tubby, does this kid deserve to be beat up after school or not?
I think that's an awful, unrelated analogy. And if you get excited due to some weird notion of jealousy of someone 'getting theirs' for trying to, say, do well in life (since that's what the boy in your story would be doing), then you have massive issues IMO.
It sounds like the whole "if I can't succeed I don't want him to either" mentality. You need to look at yourself objectively dude.
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On April 05 2011 06:14 Gene wrote:
its stupidly easy to get overzealous posting in debate threads. stupid internet anonymity and whatnot. i have to remove myself from them all the time.
yeah. quite often when i read my post again before i send i atleast change some words/expressions cause i got angry while writing or just decide its not worth it and scrap the whole thing. also i often just ignore posts/threads i know will only result in anger. and the really really stupid ones i mostly just report .
still got 3 warnings i think over the time. first one was fully deserved since i got really angry in a stupid debate ( and i was used to the more easy LP.net moderation at that time ). other 2 were more of misunderstandings, one for "backseat modding" cause i didnt think aabout what my introduction sentence implies and one 2 days ago by the ETT which we happily cleared up in a short talk ~~
overall TL has the by far best moderation of any forum ive seen in my 12-13 years of internet. sure misunderstandings and a mod having a bad day can happen , but thats just human. and in 99.x% of the cases its just perfect .
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I rather enjoy the purges. I regularly banned people from clan wars and I still do in stream chats all the time. I firmly believe in harsh treatments. My old stance back when I ran the CW section on ICCup was to ban entire teams when one of their members tried to fake results. Doing that, I got more thanks than hate rather than when I just banned the single offender.
Hash punishment. Best punishment.
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On April 05 2011 06:43 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 06:37 AlexDeLarge wrote:
What do you think Tubby, does this kid deserve to be beat up after school or not? I think that's an awful, unrelated analogy. And if you get excited due to some weird notion of jealousy of someone 'getting theirs' for trying to, say, do well in life (since that's what the boy in your story would be doing), then you have massive issues IMO. It sounds like the whole "if I can't succeed I don't want him to either" mentality. You need to look at yourself objectively dude.
Well aren't you the amazing psycho-analyst. FYI i was closer growing up to the nice boy in the story than to the crazed jealous bullies. Also attended one of top 3-5 universities in my country and was a pro gamer in wc3.
The only part you got right with a slight reformulation is "I can and have succeeded but i don't want others to though, except a few select super close friends"
However, most of my life path i went through and took action within a grey moral area.
I am sickened by people who assume that the boy in my story is an example of someone doing well in life. That is not doing well in life from my perspective. That's taking the safe and high road, playing it by the book, not taking any chances. The kind of person who gets some advice when he is very young about how he should be nice and respectful towards others, learn hard in school and be a generally nice, polite person, treat women well, that sort of thing.
I find this sort of man a gutless, spineless pushover.
But enough, i digress too much, this isn't even a real palpable scenario, just hypothetical.
It's just that you, Tubby, strike me as a person that would be Lawful Good in a D&D game, minus the whole heroic aura. And this sort of character cannot achieve real success in the real world. The type of success that turns you into a millionaire, surrounded by dozens of beautiful women and the envy of all men. All it does is turn you into a disciplined rule enforcer, giving others a reason to hate you.
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On April 05 2011 06:27 EvilTeletubby wrote:Silmakuoppaanikinko: I think other posters have already summed up my feelings nicely with regards to the specific examples you pointed out (if any are still unclear, feel free to point them out). I have absolutely no problem defending/justifying any administrative action I take. In fact, I'm a proponent of as much transparency as possible - I have nothing to hide. Here is my take on your stance, let me know if I'm way off base. It seems to you, to all boil down to, not the content or popularity of the content, but in my perception of the intent behind the content. Does that sound about right? No, that's what you claimed, that it's about 'attitude', which I am contesting.
My claim is that it's very easy for a human being to read an attitude that's not there if you don't agree. People who say stuff you don't agree with will always appear more arrogant and cocky than they intend it, that's human. Conversely, people will also appear more agreeable and humble if they say stuff you agree with.
Like I said, this even goes to the length that Zerg players and Terran players all find MC cocky, but significantly less Protoss players do.
If that's what you're trying to say, then I have this to respond with: I agree with you 100%. Fact is, I absolutely DO issue our warnings/bans on what I PERCEIVE to be the intent behind a post. And I don't believe there is anything wrong with that. And even if I am wrong, and it was an innocent comment that was just misunderstood due to a language/cultural barrier - is it still not wrong to set the correct expectation to at least have them review their wording more carefully in the future? If *I* can see how offense would be taken to a comment (and I'm really a pretty laid back guy irl), I would expect that others could be offended too. Yes, some people could be offended but some could not, and some could be offended because people get banned over innocent remarks.
So I would like to think the only serious beef anyone could have with my disciplinary actions is the severity - should I have warned someone instead of banning them? Could a 2 day have served the same effect as a 2 week ban? Honestly, these are things I do weigh out before making a decision. Well, my 'beef' is that I don't agree personally by limiting 'offensive remarks', I feel that they contribute to the debate over all. It's also an issue of projection I think. I've honestly never been 'offended' in my life I think and find the concept hard to emphasize with. I've learnt over time what kind of comments can be perceived as 'offensive' by different people and different cultures, but I still find it silly.
Conversely, people that are offended more easily are also more prone to protect others from 'offensive' remarks, even though the others don't care. If someone here would say something to me like 'you're a total dumbfuck' to me it wouldn't really draw an emotional response from me, the person would still get banned, even though no one got hurt by the remark.
Anyway, it seems that you've misunderstood my point, my point is that I contest your claim that it is about attitude and not about content. My point is that content can warp the way one perceives attitude.
Also, take it as a note how easy it is for a moderator (and any human being) to completely misunderstand the point people are trying to make. Quoting myself a couple of times:
Maybe, maybe not, but that wasn't the point, I was providing examples to back up my claim that indeed some people are being banned for having controversial opinions, not necessarily the 'attitude' with which they bring them.
Maybe, maybe not, but that wasn't the point I was addressing, what I was addressing is that EvilT claimed that people aren't banned because they disagree or have unpopular opinions, but because of the attitude they bring it with.
I don't deny this is true. But EvilT said it wasn't and that people were not banned for their unorthodox opinions, but for their attitude. This is something I don't agree with, people are in a lot of cases just phrasing unorthodox opinions in a very polite and civilized way and get banned for 'ignorance'.
I could add a couple more of these quotes of me in this thread, I had to repeat myself a couple of times, have I honestly lacked that much clarity? I don't see how I could have phrased it any more explicitly and still it was only human for people to read something I never said, and even something I explicitly claimed wasn't true.
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Its been months since my last warning
I think im having withdrawals.
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I definitely more of a lurker. I'm not that good at Starcraft 2 (Platinum League at the moment) so I never really feel like my contribution would be sufficient enough. I usually only post in topics I feel like I have knowledge about (I did some Live Reporting for some ProLeague games while I was in South Korea, and the short-lived Starcraft TCG thread).
At the same time, I also feel like I should give back to site. And maybe that doesn't involve posting but I do not want to just lurk the site all of the time. However the posting standards are so high that I'd rather not for fear of warnings/bans. But I'd much rather see quality posts than filth even if those quality posts aren't mine.
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Oh I remember when I first joined teamliquid, and after reading the 10 commandments I was so terrified to post at all, but after browsing a bit you really realize whats good to contribute and what isnt.
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use common sense and you'll go far.
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On April 05 2011 07:03 AlexDeLarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 06:43 EvilTeletubby wrote:On April 05 2011 06:37 AlexDeLarge wrote:
What do you think Tubby, does this kid deserve to be beat up after school or not? I think that's an awful, unrelated analogy. And if you get excited due to some weird notion of jealousy of someone 'getting theirs' for trying to, say, do well in life (since that's what the boy in your story would be doing), then you have massive issues IMO. It sounds like the whole "if I can't succeed I don't want him to either" mentality. You need to look at yourself objectively dude. Well aren't you the amazing psycho-analyst. FYI i was closer growing up to the nice boy in the story than to the crazed jealous bullies. Also attended one of top 3-5 universities in my country and was a pro gamer in wc3. The only part you got right with a slight reformulation is "I can and have succeeded but i don't want others to though, except a few select super close friends" However, most of my life path i went through and took action within a grey moral area. I am sickened by people who assume that the boy in my story is an example of someone doing well in life. That is not doing well in life from my perspective. That's taking the safe and high road, playing it by the book, not taking any chances. The kind of person who gets some advice when he is very young about how he should be nice and respectful towards others, learn hard in school and be a generally nice, polite person, treat women well, that sort of thing. I find this sort of man a gutless, spineless pushover. But enough, i digress too much, this isn't even a real palpable scenario, just hypothetical. It's just that you, Tubby, strike me as a person that would be Lawful Good in a D&D game, minus the whole heroic aura. And this sort of character cannot achieve real success in the real world. The type of success that turns you into a millionaire, surrounded by dozens of beautiful women and the envy of all men. All it does is turn you into a disciplined rule enforcer, giving others a reason to hate you.
I find it strange that you make implications of a person's actions in reality from what you know about them on an online forum.
Your story implies that intelligent, hardworking, and well behaved people don't have success. As in, you will have more success in life if you are a douche. Sure, there are people that don't deserve to have all the money/fame that they have, and are total jerks, but that doesn't mean that being someone like that will get you there, it just means they were lucky.
I highly doubt a person with the traits you mentioned will die unhappy as a gutless spineless pushover, *Cough* Bill Gates. I know you didn't specifically use the word "Nerd", but that seems like the kind of person you are describing, and I have to say,
Nerds Rule.
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On April 05 2011 06:09 EvilTeletubby wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 02:20 L wrote:
I get banned because a certain mod doesn't like me.
So I stopped posting in general. The end. With 2 of your 3 bans coming from me, I'm guessing I know where this is being directed. Anywho, you flatter yourself a bit too much if you think I don't like you. Honestly, I don't dislike you or even really put that much thought into you as a poster. I did, however, notice your uncanny ability to completely derail discussion/debate threads. That's exactly what your first ban from me was for (a mere 2 days), and only a month later, you did the SAME THING again and received a 1 week ban. I truly don't care if you continue to post or not, even in debate threads. If you want to, fine. If you get very spirited in the process, great. However, that does not excuse you from still being respectful to other posters on this website. When you get so heated that you're throwing personal insults at other posters, can we agree it's time to take a break?
I was discussing the topic of the thread with someone who was verbally harassing me in every single post he made, and you decided I was a good target for a ban. Afterwards, even the person I was talking to noted that the ban on me was unwarranted. So the respect argument is hollow. Not only was I discussing the topic of the thread, I was discussing it with the thread starter, iirc. So the derailment argument is pretty hollow.
Hence why I don't talk in general anymore.
I honestly feel bad that you need to go on the defensive after my first post. The last page seems to be your catharsis. Don't worry bout it broseidon. There's plenty more brocean in this site that I can swim around in.
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Nope, most of it is down to simple manners and common sense.
Although it does seem that you can get away with the occasional flame or two if it was warranted and you've generally been a sensible poster.
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On April 05 2011 07:03 AlexDeLarge wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 06:43 EvilTeletubby wrote:On April 05 2011 06:37 AlexDeLarge wrote:
What do you think Tubby, does this kid deserve to be beat up after school or not? I think that's an awful, unrelated analogy. And if you get excited due to some weird notion of jealousy of someone 'getting theirs' for trying to, say, do well in life (since that's what the boy in your story would be doing), then you have massive issues IMO. It sounds like the whole "if I can't succeed I don't want him to either" mentality. You need to look at yourself objectively dude. Well aren't you the amazing psycho-analyst. FYI i was closer growing up to the nice boy in the story than to the crazed jealous bullies. Also attended one of top 3-5 universities in my country and was a pro gamer in wc3. The only part you got right with a slight reformulation is "I can and have succeeded but i don't want others to though, except a few select super close friends" However, most of my life path i went through and took action within a grey moral area. I am sickened by people who assume that the boy in my story is an example of someone doing well in life. That is not doing well in life from my perspective. That's taking the safe and high road, playing it by the book, not taking any chances. The kind of person who gets some advice when he is very young about how he should be nice and respectful towards others, learn hard in school and be a generally nice, polite person, treat women well, that sort of thing. I find this sort of man a gutless, spineless pushover. But enough, i digress too much, this isn't even a real palpable scenario, just hypothetical. It's just that you, Tubby, strike me as a person that would be Lawful Good in a D&D game, minus the whole heroic aura. And this sort of character cannot achieve real success in the real world. The type of success that turns you into a millionaire, surrounded by dozens of beautiful women and the envy of all men. All it does is turn you into a disciplined rule enforcer, giving others a reason to hate you.
Funny, I know some LG types that have gone pretty far. Truett Cathy, guy who started the Chick-fil-a franchise in the US. My grandfather knew him, and the guy was sickeningly LG.
My parents are LG, and pretty comfortable, and very happy. Plenty of them are succesful and happy.
"Disciplined Rule Enforcer", to follow your own analogy, is actually closer to Lawful Neutral anyway, since that's where the moral code gets out of the way of the laws to be enforced.
Anyways, when discussing a position that involves enforcing rules, you've just handed out a compliment, although I'm sure if you were talking at the time, your tone would have been insulting. All that implies is that you don't have the personal courage to live up to the things you agree to.
Your oh so clever posting wasn't requested on this forum, and neither was mine. ET's moderation was. That means that if we break the rules we agreed to follow while using this resource, we accept ET's authority to kick our asses off this site.
I'm not big on black and white either, but given that we're discussing a mod who doesn't just Warn/PermaBan, acting as if it were otherwise is both insulting and vaguely moronic anyway.
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I don't hate someone ban me, but I hate the way the give the reason, like I said DTs at 8-9 mins mark is not really rush anymore. Then someone banned me with the answer don't be stupid, it's still DTs rush. It's very disrespect, I have my own opinion, can't ban me then answer like that.
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So far I've gotten one temp ban (2 days) and one warning for being funny (memes) but meh.. if the right moment arrives I won't hold back =D
It's just a site, you can manage with just lurking
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On April 05 2011 07:43 tnud wrote:So far I've gotten one temp ban (2 days) and one warning for being funny (memes) but meh.. if the right moment arrives I won't hold back =D It's just a site, you can manage with just lurking
Truth.
And here are some obligatory "this is not a one-word post" words!
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Reading the automated ban list is like walking through a morgue. Many lessons to be learned, hilarious at times, and really gives one appreciation for life (or in this case, the freedom of posting)
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On April 05 2011 06:18 Z3kk wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 06:09 EvilTeletubby wrote:On April 05 2011 02:20 L wrote:
I get banned because a certain mod doesn't like me.
So I stopped posting in general. The end. With 2 of your 3 bans coming from me, I'm guessing I know where this is being directed. Anywho, you flatter yourself a bit too much if you think I don't like you. Honestly, I don't dislike you or even really put that much thought into you as a poster. I did, however, notice your uncanny ability to completely derail discussion/debate threads. That's exactly what your first ban from me was for (a mere 2 days), and only a month later, you did the SAME THING again and received a 1 week ban. I truly don't care if you continue to post or not, even in debate threads. If you want to, fine. If you get very spirited in the process, great. However, that does not excuse you from still being respectful to other posters on this website. When you get so heated that you're throwing personal insults at other posters, can we agree it's time to take a break? Sort of offtopic, but I read "uncanny ability to completely derail ..." and I couldn't help but recall my feeling that I have an uncanny ability to complete bring threads to a standstill~! Seriously, maybe I'm just being a bit self-centered, but I've noticed that after I post, the entire thread seems to come to a complete standstill, or maybe one/two trailing posts follow mine...whether the thread has several thousand views or is just starting, more often than not I seem to bring the thread to a total halt... Yeah, probably self-flattery, or maybe impatience....
Wow! Really WOW! How full of himself? You'd think someone with 1000+ posts would know better than this. This is GARBAGE and debaucery at its purest stinkiest form. Im offended that someone comes posting off topic to glorify his idiocy!
ON TOPIC: The rule is really simple. Of course expect human factors every now and then, but as long as you keep it civil and respectful, there is no need to fear anything.
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7 years? obviously you've been a good boy!
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I actually had a dream last night about a warning I got on TL for a 2 word post. Being the first mark on my TL account's beautiful innocence it stressed me out and I kept "waking up" in the dream realizing that it wasn't a dream. Woke up for reals this morning and the first thing I loaded up was TL to check my post history. >__>;
Still clean! :D
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I've lurked for years cause I figured I'd be banned within 5 minutes cause of how I am.
Having survived much longer than I expected, it turns out trolling is OK here; only "generic" trolling is against the rules (seriously, I just checked out the community guidelines and that's what it says). I suspect as long as you keep it high quality the mods will leave you alone.
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Not afraid of banning at all,I think the TL mods do a great job,however I arrived a warning once,but it was my own fault
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TL TEN COMMANDMENTS - TL;DR
Use your brain.
Don't be an asshole.
Try to make quality posts.
The ten commandments may seem scary, but in reality it's pretty simple.
Common sense goes far here.
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On April 02 2011 01:04 KOFgokuon wrote:
I haven't even gotten a warning in 7 years, it's not that hard to not get in trouble, so no, I have no fear at all
Would be hilarious if a mod gave this guy a humor-warning. Super ironic!
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its pretty easy to stay ban free.
in all my time here, I got 1 ban and I did deserved because of a shitty post.
You just have to re-read your post and ask you:" Is this post really useful?"
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=632#12659
Another grand one, seriously, it was a poster in a thread who put forth some actual arguments and actually tried to debate the matter, comes with a personal anecdote as a casus, and gets banned for it, if he had just made it a hypothetical situation but denied it ever took place no one would ban him.
Again, it's your forum, you can do whatever you want, but banning people for providing stories in which they were dicks to serve as arguments in threads isn't exactly going to foster an intellectual or academic debate. Neither is banning 'no-names' who have some criticism on 'respected members of the community'.
Edit: And I'm still replying to the point of being asked to cite bans of which I think they are outrageous. Especially in this case the crown being the immensely intellectual and well-argued "reason" for the ban given.
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The unwritten 11th commandment: No rapists.
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A story about semi raping a girl is absolutely acceptable, you are right Silmak, what could the TL mods possibly be thinking about banning someone who just confessed to raping someone as a "funny story". Oh these overly strict mods, I mean next they are going to be banning people who are bragging about beating up little girls or butchering their neighbors in a fit of rage or something...
EDIT: The fact that you consider that an unreasonable ban makes me wonder what your standards for people posting really are...
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On April 06 2011 03:57 GMarshal wrote:
A story about semi raping a girl is absolutely acceptable, you are right Silmak, what could the TL mods possibly be thinking about banning someone who just confessed to raping someone as a "funny story". Oh these overly strict mods, I mean next they are going to be banning people who are bragging about beating up little girls or butchering their neighbors in a fit of rage or something... No, context.
It's meant as an argument in a debate, he was asking people where the line lies.
EDIT: The fact that you consider that an unreasonable ban makes me wonder what your standards for people posting really are... I take intellectualism over moral conformance any day, if someone confesses a story of murder and child rape if it's used as an argument in debate then I'd let it go.
I have more respect for a murderer who can put forth an intellectual and rational argument explaining his action than someone who frowns on murder but can't argue why. (Neither is very much by the way)
Especially since people were terribad at reading his point, see:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209040¤tpage=11#205
He was quite convinced they would have sex anyway. Basically, his point was 'So, this girl I would have had sex with anyway gets half unconscious and we have sex, how does this then morally unfold?'
Banning people for this just cripples academic debate.
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On April 06 2011 04:14 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2011 03:57 GMarshal wrote:
A story about semi raping a girl is absolutely acceptable, you are right Silmak, what could the TL mods possibly be thinking about banning someone who just confessed to raping someone as a "funny story". Oh these overly strict mods, I mean next they are going to be banning people who are bragging about beating up little girls or butchering their neighbors in a fit of rage or something... No, context. It's meant as an argument in a debate, he was asking people where the line lies. EDIT: The fact that you consider that an unreasonable ban makes me wonder what your standards for people posting really are... I take intellectualism over moral conformance any day, if someone confesses a story of murder and child rape if it's used as an argument in debate then I'd let it go. I have more respect for a murderer who can put forth an intellectual and rational argument explaining his action than someone who frowns on murder but can't argue why. (Neither is very much by the way) Especially since people were terribad at reading his point, see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209040¤tpage=11#205He was quite convinced they would have sex anyway. Basically, his point was 'So, this girl I would have had sex with anyway gets half unconscious and we have sex, how does this then morally unfold?' Banning people for this just cripples academic debate.
See I was writing a reply to this, but my first draft might have come off as a little...aggressive...
So, let me see if I understood you correctly, you are saying you are perfectly fine with hanging out as a part of a community with, say, a self confessed serial murderer, as long as you only found out through academic debate?
What I think you fail to understand is that more than a place for debating TL is a community, and frankly I would be disgusted to be a member of a community where rapists, murderers and pedophiles were openly accepted.
I had more written, but I decided to erase it, I didn't want to come off as flaming anyone, especially since it seems you can be so "rational" about being shoulder to shoulder with a rapist (and not to enter the whole debate, but even if *he* was 90% certain they were going to have sex, from a legal stand point its still rape)
EDIT: Also after reading "I have more respect for a murderer who can put forth an intellectual and rational argument explaining his action than someone who frowns on murder but can't argue why. (Neither is very much by the way)" I'm done arguing with you, its clear to me that we can never reach an understanding if thats your world view, I'll merely throw out there that he who accepts a murderer is brought down to his level, that is all.
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On April 06 2011 03:50 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=632#12659Another grand one, seriously, it was a poster in a thread who put forth some actual arguments and actually tried to debate the matter, comes with a personal anecdote as a casus, and gets banned for it, if he had just made it a hypothetical situation but denied it ever took place no one would ban him. Again, it's your forum, you can do whatever you want, but banning people for providing stories in which they were dicks to serve as arguments in threads isn't exactly going to foster an intellectual or academic debate. Neither is banning 'no-names' who have some criticism on 'respected members of the community'. Edit: And I'm still replying to the point of being asked to cite bans of which I think they are outrageous. Especially in this case the crown being the immensely intellectual and well-argued "reason" for the ban given.
I don't think it's an onerous requirement for members of TL not to be rapists.
But hey, opinions and all that.
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The first time I was banned, I went on to write a string of emo poems. The next time, I set the emo poems to music. The time after that I broke up with my girlfriend of 4 years and took to the bottle. The time after that, I quit my job and withdrew from society. I stopped talking to friends and family. I was totally alone.
The next time I got banned, I went to the supermarket and bought a box of sleeping pills. But as I walked back to my apartment for what I thought was the last time, somebody hit me with his car. I woke up in the hospital and looking over me was a beautiful nurse with enchanting eyes and pointy canines. But I was suddenly overcome with an intense thirst for something. I looked at the water in the cup beside my bed, but some strange instinct inside me prevented me from taking a sip. I looked up at the beautiful nurse with utter desperation. She smiled sadistically as she whispered, "How are you feeling?"
I looked down at my body and realized I had miraculously healed after the accident. How was that possible? I sat up and said, "Thirsty." She took down a bloodbag from the hanger beside the bed and handed it to me. I sunk in my fangs.
The next time I was banned, I found this cool feature that let me pm mods from Disneyland!
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On April 06 2011 04:26 GMarshal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 04:14 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On April 06 2011 03:57 GMarshal wrote:
A story about semi raping a girl is absolutely acceptable, you are right Silmak, what could the TL mods possibly be thinking about banning someone who just confessed to raping someone as a "funny story". Oh these overly strict mods, I mean next they are going to be banning people who are bragging about beating up little girls or butchering their neighbors in a fit of rage or something... No, context. It's meant as an argument in a debate, he was asking people where the line lies. EDIT: The fact that you consider that an unreasonable ban makes me wonder what your standards for people posting really are... I take intellectualism over moral conformance any day, if someone confesses a story of murder and child rape if it's used as an argument in debate then I'd let it go. I have more respect for a murderer who can put forth an intellectual and rational argument explaining his action than someone who frowns on murder but can't argue why. (Neither is very much by the way) Especially since people were terribad at reading his point, see: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=209040¤tpage=11#205He was quite convinced they would have sex anyway. Basically, his point was 'So, this girl I would have had sex with anyway gets half unconscious and we have sex, how does this then morally unfold?' Banning people for this just cripples academic debate. See I was writing a reply to this, but my first draft might have come off as a little...aggressive... So, let me see if I understood you correctly, you are saying you are perfectly fine with hanging out as a part of a community with, say, a self confessed serial murderer, as long as you only found out through academic debate? No, I'm not, but I feel that the pros outweigh the cons.
Banning people because of that might scare people into posting such stories as argument (not at all scaring them from murdering, so it it hardly helps in the end, it's just sticking your head in the sand).
I mean, it doesn't stop them from murdering, and if it delivers an interesting academic argument then I'd rather have that than 'not having to "hang out" (read: read posts of) a murder.
What I think you fail to understand is that more than a place for debating TL is a community, and frankly I would be disgusted to be a member of a community where rapists, murderers and pedophiles were openly accepted. Okay, that's where we differ I suppose, I don't see myself as part of a 'community', it's a forum I post on, I'm not 'part' of it in the sense that I feel affiliated with people who also post on it. I also find it silly to ban people who've committed crimes in real life. Where's the line? Banning all people that pirate? Banning people that bm on StarCraft? Banning people that cheese?
All various things that some people find morally apprehensive.
I had more written, but I decided to erase it, I didn't want to come off as flaming anyone, especially since it seems you can be so "rational" about being shoulder to shoulder with a rapist Well, if it's 'rape' or not was part of the debate. I'm also not completely sure if being drunk truly doesn't make you be able to consent, I've never seen any true research on it, and in practice it seems that drunk people mainly have less inhibitions to sleep with people they already find attractive, not per se finding people attractive they normally don't.
(and not to enter the whole debate, but even if *he* was 90% certain they were going to have sex, from a legal stand point its still rape)
I'm not a big fan of argumenta ad legislatum. But the point was more that he posted something that he believed was on the grey area because:
- She obviously didn't mind, no one got hurt.
- They were going to do it anyway.
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nope. people get wayy to butt hurt on this site so theres no point in posting. QQ more nerdies
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think before posting, learn from your mistakes, be respectful
i've had 2 warnings, one for quoting and +1 (this is common to do on other forums, it came naturally) and the other was commenting in korean without any english.
simple rules that i wasnt aware of at the time and its something i wont be repeating.
when you're banned/warned, don't rage about it, there must have been a reason for it and if there was no reason for it (ie. mod on mid life crisis laying down the ban hammer on innocents), take it up with another mod and they'll take care of it.
i liked this thread, i saw some glimpse of justice ^,.^
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Did you guys ever notice that "banned" rhymes with "Disneyland"?
Did you know that "sperm" rhymes with "perm?" I affirm that people squirm when they get a perm as the term for their ban.
Is it also coincidental that "temp" rhymes with "hemp?" There is rarely a temp in the thread about hemp. I know that they're high, but does that justify the oversupply of filth in that pig sty? And Mensrea stood upon the mountain, instilling in man the fear of Mod.
How about that "warning" rhymes with "morning?" And that the opposite "night" rhymes with both words in "white knight?" I just be starting in this hood like a boss, word.
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On April 06 2011 03:50 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=632#12659Another grand one, seriously, it was a poster in a thread who put forth some actual arguments and actually tried to debate the matter, comes with a personal anecdote as a casus, and gets banned for it, if he had just made it a hypothetical situation but denied it ever took place no one would ban him. Again, it's your forum, you can do whatever you want, but banning people for providing stories in which they were dicks to serve as arguments in threads isn't exactly going to foster an intellectual or academic debate. Neither is banning 'no-names' who have some criticism on 'respected members of the community'. Edit: And I'm still replying to the point of being asked to cite bans of which I think they are outrageous. Especially in this case the crown being the immensely intellectual and well-argued "reason" for the ban given.
He raped a girl.
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On April 06 2011 07:07 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 03:50 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=632#12659Another grand one, seriously, it was a poster in a thread who put forth some actual arguments and actually tried to debate the matter, comes with a personal anecdote as a casus, and gets banned for it, if he had just made it a hypothetical situation but denied it ever took place no one would ban him. Again, it's your forum, you can do whatever you want, but banning people for providing stories in which they were dicks to serve as arguments in threads isn't exactly going to foster an intellectual or academic debate. Neither is banning 'no-names' who have some criticism on 'respected members of the community'. Edit: And I'm still replying to the point of being asked to cite bans of which I think they are outrageous. Especially in this case the crown being the immensely intellectual and well-argued "reason" for the ban given. He raped a girl.
He's also had like 4-5 warnings in the past month alone.
His time here was destined to be short.
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I haven't read -all- 24 pages, so I'm not sure if this has been brought up before.
The only "fear of bans" I have (which is a fear of warning, really) is in the SFW funny pics thread. Even when replying to something someone asked, whether it be a source or a story behind a picture, you get warned if you don't have a picture. The main reason I dislike this is because people who want to debate over pictures just repost shitty images 100x times and still go on debating. The NSFW thread awhile back was a little out of hand, so I understand the logic behind it, but I still don't really like it.
Other than that, I've never really had a problem.
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Yes I am very scared of being banned
I've seen people get banned for ridiculous stuff. Many comments on these forums are borderline inappropriate, but that's not necessarily a negative thing. Like, for example, I remember one person posting funny meme pictures of Kellymilkies where she is saying stuff like "Zeelot poosh" and "Warmping in stalkers" and that person got perm-banned but I thought the post was really funny.
That made me scared.
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I wouldn't mind if TL mods were more lenient a lot of posts get warned or banned when they really should while a bunch of dumb posts don't even get touched. I think they need to take a step backward into focusing on the idiots instead of inappropriate posts unless they was way over the line
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On April 06 2011 08:09 PraetorianX wrote:Yes I am very scared of being banned I've seen people get banned for ridiculous stuff. Many comments on these forums are borderline inappropriate, but that's not necessarily a negative thing. Like, for example, I remember one person posting funny meme pictures of Kellymilkies where she is saying stuff like "Zeelot poosh" and "Warmping in stalkers" and that person got perm-banned but I thought the post was really funny. That made me scared.
You're scared that TL protects members of it's own community from tidal waves of needless, unclassy bashing?
On April 06 2011 08:11 Sworn wrote:
I wouldn't mind if TL mods were more lenient a lot of posts get warned or banned when they really should while a bunch of dumb posts don't even get touched. I think they need to take a step backward into focusing on the idiots instead of inappropriate posts unless they was way over the line
Your run on is hard to understand, but I think you are saying people should be banned for being wrong, not for being insulting or rude? I completely disagree if that's what you are saying...
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I generally like the moderation here but I have a big problem with the "moral policing". Everything that relates to so-called inappropriate posts. There is a strong contingency of mods and posters who hold as law the judeo-christian values. In threads relating to a person's death, crime or other sensitive matter to the judeo-christian orientation, you are expected to follow their custom. Whether it be not to make jokes, not to hold them responsible, etc. You can make the most thoughtful and elaborate post but you will still get the hammer because of the moral policing. Rationally speaking this is unfair.
Another point is that in any serious thread the mods seem to discourage actual dialectic and by that I mean "back and forth arguments". How do you expect to have a serious discussion at all if we can't "rub each other out" so-to-speak. IMO Dialectic is the only productive thing you can do on a forum thread when the information is largely already known by the participants.
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On April 06 2011 07:07 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 03:50 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=632#12659Another grand one, seriously, it was a poster in a thread who put forth some actual arguments and actually tried to debate the matter, comes with a personal anecdote as a casus, and gets banned for it, if he had just made it a hypothetical situation but denied it ever took place no one would ban him. Again, it's your forum, you can do whatever you want, but banning people for providing stories in which they were dicks to serve as arguments in threads isn't exactly going to foster an intellectual or academic debate. Neither is banning 'no-names' who have some criticism on 'respected members of the community'. Edit: And I'm still replying to the point of being asked to cite bans of which I think they are outrageous. Especially in this case the crown being the immensely intellectual and well-argued "reason" for the ban given. He raped a girl. That's really in the eye of the beholder, and she didn't mind to begin with.
It's really a classic case of 'I mind, so you should mind too.'
That said, even if he raped her, even if she violently resisted and he told it, it's still presented as a vessel for debate, scaring people from posting morally apprehensive things they have done as a vessel for debate just counters any intellectualism and discourse.
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On April 06 2011 09:08 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 07:07 KwarK wrote:On April 06 2011 03:50 Silmakuoppaanikinko wrote:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696¤tpage=632#12659Another grand one, seriously, it was a poster in a thread who put forth some actual arguments and actually tried to debate the matter, comes with a personal anecdote as a casus, and gets banned for it, if he had just made it a hypothetical situation but denied it ever took place no one would ban him. Again, it's your forum, you can do whatever you want, but banning people for providing stories in which they were dicks to serve as arguments in threads isn't exactly going to foster an intellectual or academic debate. Neither is banning 'no-names' who have some criticism on 'respected members of the community'. Edit: And I'm still replying to the point of being asked to cite bans of which I think they are outrageous. Especially in this case the crown being the immensely intellectual and well-argued "reason" for the ban given. He raped a girl. That's really in the eye of the beholder, and she didn't mind to begin with. It's really a classic case of 'I mind, so you should mind too.' That said, even if he raped her, even if she violently resisted and he told it, it's still presented as a vessel for debate, scaring people from posting morally apprehensive things they have done as a vessel for debate just counters any intellectualism and discourse.
i just think it was unnecessary. i only read that comment and not the thread so i dont know what it was about, however, it seems unappropriated to talk about. its no different than a child molester coming in here and explain his plan on how he did what he did and relate it to a strategy in sc2.
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and i continue to post in the wrong thread.
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I've gotten a warning in the past 4 years (3 years?) and it was for posting GG in a LR thread when the game wasn't over. I have no fear of getting banned.
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There's a thread about playing starcraft2 stoned (hint- drug fucking usage you idiots) that was first page and not locked/deleted over the course of 3+ days so far.
Yet people are being banned for saying "boo idra sucks" in a fan page.
User was temp banned for this post.
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I got Temp Banned for my 3rd post, for the next month I feared that every PM was another ban coming my way. Since then I've lost the initial worries
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It seems like teamliquid is more strict in their moderation. Before, there weren't that many people, so you don't see bans often. Now there's a ton more people so more bans are seen frequently. Not only is there more users, there is more moderators, so its hard to know whats right to post and whats not since they all seem to have their own opinion on edgy posts. Thread specific rules are the most confusing, since you can get banned for saying something before the moderators put up the sign for that thread.
I remembered another higher up talking to some moderators telling them good job and 85% of their moderation was good. (It was after the MC vs July finals) But what about the left-over? I don't know how moderators are managed but its seems very laxed. This tells me TL don't really care about the few users and its moderation is losing quality due to high user-base.
All in all, there isn't really much that can be done, since its all volunteer work so less focus is on moderation unless it gets to that point where people are starting to revolt (this is what makes this thread a little interesting).
As SC2 and more people sign up on teamliquid, I don't think the moderaters can keep up. I can only imagine a comparison between battlenet forums and other official forums where rules are more laxed and only eye-catching posts will get people banned instead of dumb little fun posts here and there.
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On April 06 2011 03:53 SonuvBob wrote:
The unwritten 11th commandment: No rapists.
An update on this story from the rapist himself.
From: AlexDeLarge [ 218 posts | Profile | Buddy | User Info | Report ]
Subject: Alright buddy
Date: 4/7/11 07:16
You better pray i don't find where you live. Because i do have the money and resources to easily fly to the UK, and you just turned this shit very personal with your ignorance and stupidity.
As i said, will ask around to see who this cocksucker Kwark is and where he resides, you better pray i don't find you, because i will put you in the hospital, and that's your best case scenario.
From this I can conclude that if you're a rapist you're probably also an unpleasant person and therefore should be banned anyway.
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Wow, this deuchebag
1) nonchalantly retells a story about 'fucking the shit out of' a girl that he describes as drunk to point of being unresponsive, gets banned.
2) posts in the same thread within a day using a two year old alt account acting all self righteous about his rights, gets banned. Also gives a shout out to silmkikkaniuppak (whatever his name was, he was banned for trolling) who 'stood up for' him in the thread. lol.
3) threatens physical violence towards the mods.
I'm now convinced this guy absolutely is a creep with very messed up priorities and unsafe moral boundaries.
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On April 06 2011 13:19 Asparagus wrote:
There's a thread about playing starcraft2 stoned (hint- drug fucking usage you idiots) that was first page and not locked/deleted over the course of 3+ days so far.
Yet people are being banned for saying "boo idra sucks" in a fan page.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On April 07 2011 08:18 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2011 03:53 SonuvBob wrote:
The unwritten 11th commandment: No rapists. An update on this story from the rapist himself. From: AlexDeLarge [ 218 posts | Profile | Buddy | User Info | Report ] Subject: Alright buddy Date: 4/7/11 07:16 You better pray i don't find where you live. Because i do have the money and resources to easily fly to the UK, and you just turned this shit very personal with your ignorance and stupidity. As i said, will ask around to see who this cocksucker Kwark is and where he resides, you better pray i don't find you, because i will put you in the hospital, and that's your best case scenario. From this I can conclude that if you're a rapist you're probably also an unpleasant person and therefore should be banned anyway.
Good job for banning him for the threat. However banninng someone for being an unpleasent person? Really? Can you honestly conclude that from 1 post?
What about the 13yr old girls who go online and have "slutty mcslut" as their name. Do we allow ppl to rape them because they are sluts?
On April 07 2011 08:29 aidnai wrote:
Wow, this deuchebag
1) nonchalantly retells a story about 'fucking the shit out of' a girl that he describes as drunk to point of being unresponsive, gets banned.
2) posts in the same thread within a day using a two year old alt account acting all self righteous about his rights, gets banned. Also gives a shout out to silmkikkaniuppak (whatever his name was, he was banned for trolling) who 'stood up for' him in the thread. lol.
3) threatens physical violence towards the mods.
I'm now convinced this guy absolutely is a creep with very messed up priorities and unsafe moral boundaries.
You can determine that from a few posts?
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25 pages of fear...?
i'm only on page 6 and already this is a fun read...
you gauge the comments posted in reference to the icons... it's quite fun
edit:
My selec:
+ Show Spoiler +On April 02 2011 04:27 micronesia wrote:
The fear of moderating unjustly is worse than the fear of getting punished by a moderator (in my experience at least). On April 02 2011 04:48 MangoTango wrote:
Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to kill everyone you meet. On April 02 2011 05:16 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On April 02 2011 05:13 CarlyZerg wrote:
I love the way this forum works. It's the only well-moderated forum on the Internet, imo. As long as you're not a total asshat, you don't have anything to worry about. The mods seem to take a user's entire post history into account when making decisions, which I think is a solid move.
When I make snipy or condescending posts at someone who I think deserves it, I don't worry about getting banned, because:
1) I'm not a a total asshat who types in caps or calls people fags
2) my overall post history shows an honest effort at being a good member of TL society.
In my entire time here I've gotten 1 warning for calling someone a troll.
For some of us who came from the world of Counter-Strike (for example, me), it was a long, hard journey before I was able to make quality posts. Yes, common sense dictates that nobody should have any problem sticking around and having fun. But if common sense were really so common we wouldn't have the Automated Ban List. i'm really having a hard time too... the learning curve is real steep for old pig headed people, and i came from rts all the way (well loved quake for a year, then my eyes couldn't take the strain anymore ) .. that did not make me scared to open a pm though (funsies: pm= + Show Spoiler +) On April 02 2011 05:38 Zergneedsfood wrote:
Never been banned. I think I try to keep my mouth shut when I'm mad. you bet, that's the best advice AH no! This is On April 02 2011 05:43 Chef wrote:Don't make stupid posts and you'll be alright for awhile. Don't get mad at moderators and you'll be alright forever. Sometimes moderators will do really provocative, unprofessional things that will make you want to tell them off. Resist that temptation and there's nothing to fear. + Show Spoiler +
I used to think SomethingAwful might be even more strict, but really the great guidelines they have are not that enforced. TL has the best moderation of any site I've been to, and they do it without charging you money. You're not going to find a better forum than TL, in terms of moderation and motivated staff. TL makes some mistakes and not all the mods are great, but when you try other forums you come to see just how much more active TL is, and how much more on top of things the mods are.
The grass is not greener anywhere else, trust me. On April 02 2011 07:24 Herpadurr wrote:Why would you fear banning? + Show Spoiler +
I've gotten my fair amount of warning and a ban before and I simply don't give a shit.
The mods on here are taking their job way too seriously (a.k.a. power-tripping), especially in the funny pictures thread. There are so many things in there that I regard as being funny that people got warned or even banned over that I can't take any of the mods seriously anymore.
The thread tells you not to debate over the pictures, yet a warning or a ban is exactly that.
Why not just implement a voting system so the users, not the mods, can decide whether a picture is funny or not and below a certain threshold the picture gets purged?
The website promotes communication but doesn't even give you any chance of appealing a warning or a ban or explaining what you meant, should there be a possibility of it being taken wrong. The system is a joke. There are political systems that work that way and you don't like them.
I have a rather harsh but efficient way of telling people that they're retarded or could have used Google and the likes and should I ever get banned for good, I'll just make a new account.
Dynamic IPs for the win.
And even if you're not on a dynamic IP: as long as you think you said the right thing and made your point clear and get banned regardless, you should realize that this community isn't quite smart enough to get what you're saying or at least whoever banned you isn't.
this one has a nuked icon Physician's link : priceless On April 02 2011 13:15 iNSiPiD1 wrote:I got banned recently for posing an alternative viewpoint in a thread where everyone was against me. However I could not be proven wrong, but since I was one of the few people with this alternative way of looking at the situation, I was deemed a troll. The mod thought of a clever line to put under his reason for banning me and couldn't resist. So the next thing you know I'm banned for essentially participating in a discussion. + Show Spoiler +
Had I posted things like,
"WWOOOWOOW what a d-bag" or "THAT guy is a HUGE loser omGFF" then I would not have been banned.
Go figure. That's the type i was scouting for i feel the same way... being alone vs most is not really possible (well.. that's the case anywhere ... not just on tl) On April 02 2011 13:27 Khaymus wrote:
As long as your opinion is the same as the mods you should be fine! On April 02 2011 14:27 HawaiianPig wrote:
That fear is what shapes you into a good poster. Best way to never get banned is to think twice about posting. I don't think I really started posting on TL until after 3-4 years of lurking. LurkHer heaven i tell you On April 02 2011 20:11 Legatus Lanius wrote:
i think the moderation can be overly harsh on jokes. sometimes it seems like humour is being persecuted This next one is a pearl: On April 06 2011 08:53 Fyodor wrote:
I generally like the moderation here but I have a big problem with the "moral policing". Everything that relates to so-called inappropriate posts. There is a strong contingency of mods and posters who hold as law the judeo-christian values. In threads relating to a person's death, crime or other sensitive matter to the judeo-christian orientation, you are expected to follow their custom. Whether it be not to make jokes, not to hold them responsible, etc. You can make the most thoughtful and elaborate post but you will still get the hammer because of the moral policing. Rationally speaking this is unfair.
Another point is that in any serious thread the mods seem to discourage actual dialectic and by that I mean "back and forth arguments". How do you expect to have a serious discussion at all if we can't "rub each other out" so-to-speak. IMO Dialectic is the only productive thing you can do on a forum thread when the information is largely already known by the participants. Honest, i love dialectic and i feel for the "back and forth"
Well, having read it, the thread is mostly what's to be expected..
Personally, i felt wronged from the way i learned the ropes on tl.. and i still do to a certain extent...
(it has not made me feel apprehension on logging in)
The bot thread still rubs me the wrong way, but i can readily admit that the "forum" system needs moderation, so "fear of the ban" is gonna be enforced and acclaimed
i just happened to have a non conservative opinion and that got me stonewalled for .. maybe forever?
(But again, the unconventional being shunt is what you'll get on any site)
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Yea I had this fear, when I was a 17 year old troll lol
now almost 22, I dont even think about it, just every time you are gonna post something, try to read it was a mod would, and it will avoid it 100% of trouble
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Something Awful probably has the worst experience for newcomers in terms of moderation. Some of their mods seem to like banning people simply because they don't like them (something I've never seen on TL).
On the flip side, GameFAQs probably has the most lenient rules/mods ever in terms of forums. You can bad mouth moderators all you want as long as it isn't a direct insult (I've seen many users call certain mods 'useless'). Probably the reason most of their social boards are one-liner fests (yeah I'm guilty of that over there too but at least I try not to carry that habit over here). I've even seen mods rage quit their positions simply because of unpopularity. Still...has it's own unique charm if you want to spam more or start threads with short and sweet posts.
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There are loads of threads on tl "dedicated" to one liners or "fun".
Just a question of properly placing one's post.. finding these out does take a while, since the wording of the thread headings are like the posters "unique snowflakes".
:-)
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Got banned twice, and now I steer away from anything related to discussion of politics (the reason for both bans) and read what I'm gonna post one more time. I think the latter is a good advice for those who don't wanna get banned.
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Well I got banned a week in that "discussion" topic in the SC2 forums about what SC2 is lacking. I posted a huge discussion post and then I added that I thought the topic was way to broodwar fanboyistic, having a skewed vision of the subject from the very start making any discussion automatically favoring the "arguments" of the topic maker (a mod) to his point of Sc2<Bw... of which I did not agree for a number of reasons posted before.
I was banned for a week and I've never been a problem. Seeing as I've paid for every GSL other than GSL1 aswell as NASL and DreamhackInvitational I support esports more than 95% of the general mass and yet I get banned for no reason other than a mod wanting his opinion to be final. So I wouldn't had agreed before but I still think it was a bull decision.
Note; not saying you should be able to buy immunity or whatnot, I'm simply saying I'm a good guy who does alot of good for the community and I was punished for a selfish reason.
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I fear the ban hammer because I see my threads always get closed only to see three similar if not identical threads get made a few hours later.
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i got banned for saying that cruncher has skill
mods are ridiculous
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On April 24 2011 20:57 mentallyafk wrote:
i got banned for saying that cruncher has skill
mods are ridiculous
That's not so weird, I agree with mods banning people that are lying!
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ive made some opionated posts that have received warnings or bans, seems easier to ban then to argue a point sometimes i suppose.
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On April 06 2011 13:19 Asparagus wrote:
There's a thread about playing starcraft2 stoned (hint- drug fucking usage you idiots) that was first page and not locked/deleted over the course of 3+ days so far.
Yet people are being banned for saying "boo idra sucks" in a fan page.
User was temp banned for this post.
why the fuck was he ban for writing this? seriously.
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Netherlands19133 Posts
On April 24 2011 20:57 mentallyafk wrote:
i got banned for saying that cruncher has skill
mods are ridiculous
"Reason: your last 3 posts are all in the fanclub threads, and all of them are balance whines. take a break for a bit, don't post about balance unless you have reams (literally) of evidence, and don't post in the fanclub threads if you don't like what they put there."
Yeah, that's totally what you got banned for. It's funny to read through this thread and compare what people say they got banned for and when and how more then half of you totally lies about it haha. Or the reason, or the moment or especially the fact that most just got a warning and not even a ban .
Example:
On April 06 2011 16:42 35spike1 wrote:
I got Temp Banned for my 3rd post, for the next month I feared that every PM was another ban coming my way. Since then I've lost the initial worries
Just got a warning for not adhering to strategy forum guidelines (aka not watching the replay and posting random not useful advice).
Teehee, you naughty posters you! xD
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I was raised under the rule of Rekrul, which very much set the standard that if you do not put in at least five minutes of thinking into your post, you will likely decrease the average quality of the forum.
Historically IMHO, this had the double edged effect of lurkers being more reluctant to add their two cents to discussions if they/we/I actually do not bring either insight or content to it, but also thereby increasing the average posting quality by HUGE amounts.
As a frequent reader/rare poster of TL I totally buy into the concept of "if you do not think- do not post", but with the entry of SC2 even the old arms of chill eventually ache. Lucky for me the most horrible posters usually stay at the SC2 part of TL.
About "fear of banning", my interpretation of the "rules" is that not posting is a bannable offence;
but that is a bit too counterintuitive for me to worry about...
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Meh I've never been warned or temp banned or w/e and I've said some confrontational things over the years, which leads me to believe that you only get banned for posting things that aren't well-reasoned or constructive. Or if Rekrul felt like banning someone O_O
When I do hastily reply without really thinking about whether or not my post could be constructive and useful to the discussion, I do fear that it might lead to a warning or something worse.
But I think it's a good thing, and we should all fear the ban hammer so that we don't post whatever random crap that might come into our heads
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I think the mods are fairly reasonable in what they expect out of the TL community, as long as you aren't being a complete idiot don't expect to be warned/banned. I have no fear of either and I would like to thank the mods for doing such a good job keeping the discussions under control while still allowing people to be very opinionated.
I mainly hang out in the strategy forum and am always surprised to see the amount of re-posts when you could just use the little search box in the upper right hand corner to find what you need. Anyway, there is a whole thread dedicated for you to read the rules... stick with the rules and be worry free.
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Got temp banned for whining about Lag (I felt terribly misinterpreted!), but I feel relatively safe now since I stay away from LR threads
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Mods arent people you should fear, they are here to make the place better, it is after all, what they do.
If you ever been to GameFaqs forums you would know what happens when the place loosens their moderation, go into any board and there is so much flaming, whining and 4chan meme spewing garbage in there that the place is basically the cesspool for gamers there.
Compare them to Neogaf who is also very strict and you actually find people who love videogames and love talking about them, go to Gamefaqs - Next Gen Gaming and you will find nothing but joke threads such as "lol PSN is down, Nintendo wins again GPs <_<" and other nonesense that is neither funny nor interesting. Their humor tends to be like M$, as in Microsoft, get it cause they have moneyz! Lulz right? Dear god no its not funny.
If you havent been to those, at least most of you have seen what lousy moderation does to forums, all the good posters leave and all that is left is feces flinging shit at each other.
So for that reason, be happy that SC has a site where fans gather. LR threads are great filter since they have a tendency to really expose people who do not belong here, anytime Idra loses i swear 20 people minimum get a perma ban, they simply never belonged here.
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The longer you are around here, the less you might fear being warned or banned. At least if you stick to the rules. Imo TL is a great place to do whatever you want and talk about nearly everything you want. For me, it seems pretty easy to stick to the rules. Of course, new members sometimes dont feel the need to read rules and the results are warnings and bans. I am happy that TL is moderated the way it is.
In more than 6 years, I have not been warned or banned.
Reading the ban list is quite fun, though :p
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i'd doubt i have ever gotten a warning for my 2x number of posts
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Hyrule19029 Posts
You shouldn't fear the mods. Except Chill and Nyovne. Those two are vicious.
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Shouldn't be that hard adhering to the rules tbh, it's pretty straight forward. I just get sloppy/careless, get carried away in LR or drunk post nonsensical/unrelated/non-humorous stuff. At least I don't feel like any of my many bans/warns are due to bm or flaming other members, typically just harmless stuff that clogs up the forum or derails discussion.
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Ive never been banned or got a warning (that Im aware of at least) during my time here. Unless you post stuff that is obviously off-topic or insulting you dont need to worry. Its ok to offend people as long as its necessary to bring a good point to a discussion imo. To pointlessly insult people is just stupid. Again, thats the rules Ive been following and its worked for me.
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On April 24 2011 21:43 tofucake wrote:
You shouldn't fear the mods. Except Chill and Nyovne. Those two are vicious.
Chill is prob one of my fav
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the moderation on TL is actually a new thing to me this is coming from someone have been on alot of forums since late 1999(ye, i was the only kid in the class who used his pocket money to get a 56k modem), and myself have been some mods/admins too. Please note i have no hate or offense towards TL, i completely respect your rules and i did agree on the rules when i sign up on TL. i will write down some thoughts here regarding OP, please dont take them offensively. and if you do, please pm me so i can delete this immediately, i meant no harm/offense to TL at all.
1.On TL, you dont always get banned when you troll, but you get banned when say something 'wrong'. if mod thinks that you are 'wrong', you get banned straight away.
>In general forum: the mod discuss/debates with you til the end of world. one person will get owned in the end. but it doesnt matter who win in the end, if the debate is good and both persons are mature, they will enjoy and respect each other's opinion and thus a good relationship between these posters will grow.
2.TL mods try to educate posters, or not? this is a fair act by mods but go read The Automated Banned thread you will see something like 'Reason: You're an asshole.'. This is confusing, so the poster get banned for being BM and that gives the mod the right to BM him back?
and people get warned/banned for posting 1 liner even if their posts are completely innocent, and sometimes the 1 liner actually is all he needs to express his opinion.
and sometimes if your post is 'not up to the TL quality'(this is depends on the mod, i found that different mods have different 'standards'), you get warned/banned too.
>In general forum: Same, BM is not tolerated, either it is from mod or any poster. insulting words like f*ck, f*ggot etc are censored by the system and some forum dont allow you post when you have less than 15 words etc ie preventing uesless 1 liner post.
3.The TL's mods judge the poster, harshly. their thinking is simple: ' If you aren't going to add value to the website or contribute then perhaps you shouldn't post it.' ie 'if you only talk useless shit here, please gtfo/we love people who type 2 pages wall of text.'
>In general forum: we value our members, these members build up our forum. and we know it deep down, we were once noobs/newbies too, we posted some stupid post/thread too. we cant expect people come here and post a 5k words guide/analysis with their first post. good posters take time to grow. especially gaming websites tend to attract alot of young kids, nurture them, not hit them with ban hammer, harshly. i pity those kids get perm banned just because they did some bad posts (and they have less than a total of 100posts).
i dont feel like to quote more but if people can read The Automated Banned thread thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=32696, you can find alot of funny warns/bans.
Overall i am fine with the current TL once i realised that this is TL's sc2 forum, not 'just another sc2 forum on internet'. (and i hope the mods see this post as i am contributing to the forum, whether my points are bad/good/wrong/right, i wrote this text of wall for TL)
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On April 24 2011 22:57 BurningSera wrote:
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imo, there really tends to be a whole lot more substance behind each ban than first meets the eye. Every single time, with no exception, that I've seen someone question or dispute a particular ban in the ban list, one or several mods have always stepped up with a good explanation describing all the surrounding circumstances.
But what you say is essentially right, this is their forum and they do with it as they please. The reason so many people like to stick around is because the end result differs from those "general forums" you mention, I think in a very much so positive way.
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On April 24 2011 22:14 SiZ.FaNtAsY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 21:43 tofucake wrote:
You shouldn't fear the mods. Except Chill and Nyovne. Those two are vicious.
Chill is prob one of my fav
Chill's a dick, or has been to me before. But he's not unfair as far as I can tell. The others, I have no experience with.
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On April 05 2011 06:53 tofucake wrote:
Hash punishment. Best punishment.
Sometimes mistypes turn out pretty awesomely.
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my first ban came from calling some guy gushing over nony an asslicker
my second ban came from making a 3v3 starcraft thread in the brood war boards
i got my first warning 6 months later, can't find the thread but apparently i posted something in the SFW thread which makes it messy
i recently got a warning not using appropriate english including spelling out "you" and "you're" properly when i used "u" once in the whole post, inappropriate grammar and spelling and not making my post readable. but with the exception of capitalization, try to fault my english
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On April 28 2011 00:27 saltywet wrote:
i recently got a warning not using appropriate english including spelling out "you" and "you're" properly when i used "u" once in the whole post, inappropriate grammar and spelling and not making my post readable. but with the exception of capitalization, try to fault my english
To be honest, I don't really get what you're trying to say here...
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Haven't been banned, not hard to not get banned.
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Haven't feared a ban ever since I managed to slip outta LR's grasp after pretty much calling Yellow a fucking noob.
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