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lastpuritan
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Plansix
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LegalLord
United Kingdom13775 Posts
On April 05 2017 06:43 Plansix wrote: I love how Trump and his people felt Assad was a good option. Ignoring the clear problem that supporting him will just lead to a different brand of terrorist just as harmful as ISIS. Got a succession plan in mind or just "Assad must go" as usual? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2017 06:48 LegalLord wrote: Got a succession plan in mind or just "Assad must go" as usual? Nope. Everyone is fucked. There are no good solutions beyond getting their much earlier. To bad our congress is a bunch of spineless clowns that would rather blame it all on Obama. Supporting Assad is just kicking the can down the road. My niece and nephew will have to deal with the terrorist we create with that choice. But no one has the endurance for nation building, or the budget. So this is our reality for the foreseeable future. | ||
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AssyrianKing
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Sermokala
United States14015 Posts
On April 05 2017 06:53 Plansix wrote: Nope. Everyone is fucked. There are no good solutions beyond getting their much earlier. To bad our congress is a bunch of spineless clowns that would rather blame it all on Obama. Supporting Assad is just kicking the can down the road. My niece and nephew will have to deal with the terrorist we create with that choice. But no one has the endurance for nation building, or the budget. So this is our reality for the foreseeable future. You say that the only way to fix it was for obama to have fixed it and then you complain about congress blaming Obama for not fixing it. But yeah. this is america not being world police anymore and everyone's just going to have to swallow it in this new world. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2017 10:12 Sermokala wrote: You say that the only way to fix it was for obama to have fixed it and then you complain about congress blaming Obama for not fixing it. But yeah. this is america not being world police anymore and everyone's just going to have to swallow it in this new world. They should fixed it together. But now we have a unstable government with chemical weapons willing to gas kids with them. It doesn't really matter who we blame, we are all less safe now and will be for the next 30 years. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14015 Posts
On April 05 2017 10:25 Plansix wrote: They should fixed it together. But now we have a unstable government with chemical weapons willing to gas kids with them. It doesn't really matter who we blame, we are all less safe now and will be for the next 30 years. How should they have fixed it? The only way to end the civil war in Syria is to either side with assad or out assad. Neither is good and both mean that we're going to either have to half ass it and throw two trillion into it like Iraq or go full occupation like the only times we ever actually succeeded with nation building. People don't want the US to be the world police. this is what you get without a world police. This probably happened before WW2 and I guess we're just going back to that age. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
None of that is really better, it is just different. Just like Syria, which isn't any better off because the US didn't get involved. The Middle East still gets fucked with if the US pulls out in every way. | ||
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LegalLord
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Plansix
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Sermokala
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On April 05 2017 11:40 Plansix wrote: You are right. We should simply pull back, not attempt to police the world as you call it. Then any resulting violence will not be cause by the US, but by the power vacuum created by our withdraw. And then after that violence has run its course, then the next violence won't be our fault. And I will have likely died of old age. None of that is really better, it is just different. Just like Syria, which isn't any better off because the US didn't get involved. The Middle East still gets fucked with if the US pulls out in every way. We either pull out of syria or we go in all the way. The only middle ground simply pushes the same problem down the road another generation. Either we solve the problem or let the problem solve itself. Assad represents a semi stable middle ground that staunches the bleeding and helps the people out the best way short term that they're going to get. | ||
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LegalLord
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 05 2017 12:05 Sermokala wrote: We either pull out of syria or we go in all the way. The only middle ground simply pushes the same problem down the road another generation. Either we solve the problem or let the problem solve itself. I could not agree more. It is all in, full nation building and hope we get it right. Or we sit back, go full hands off and watch millions of people suffer for 10-15 years. Deal with millions of refugees and the political fall out from that as well. We will be hated either way. Inaction does not absolve us and more than action. There are no good options, just different flavors of terrible ones. On April 05 2017 12:08 LegalLord wrote: Assad's government is definitely better than perpetual civil war, I'll tell you that much. He lost control once. That is how this all started. Him being in charge again just resets the house of card. All the refugees could try to go home, make lives and this could all flare up again. There is no magic wand that restores his former power. His country is still devastated. | ||
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Wrath
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Assad's government is definitely better than perpetual civil war, I'll tell you that much. lol Assad turned a revolution against him into a sectarian war lead by Iran. Nothing can go worse than it is now. | ||
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LegalLord
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Plansix
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And to be clear, bombing Iran will not make the terrorist go away either. | ||
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Wrath
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