EPTP6 do you have a suggestion for what would be a good idea or are you just wanting to complain about the situation?
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Sermokala
United States14095 Posts
P6 do you have a suggestion for what would be a good idea or are you just wanting to complain about the situation? | ||
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Wrath
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A good start would be stop supporting the Kurds to create a country that will fuck up Turkey, Syria, Iraq and maybe Iran. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On April 05 2017 12:26 Wrath wrote: If both ends seem equally shitty why did you say that having Assad government is better? They aren't equally shitty. | ||
KwarK
United States43523 Posts
On April 05 2017 09:47 AssyrianKing wrote: I thought people already realised what happens when you remove a legitimate government... Iraq? Libya? anyone? Or do you all want to see the world burn and let jihadists have their day... Are you saying Saddam was a legitimate government? | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Short of full nation building, there is no solution. And that one is flawed because we are kinda bad at it. Even if the war stops tomorrow, the country is ruined and is unlikely to rebuild for a decades. Its economy will take a decade to recover. The rebels and anyone unlucky enough to be associated with them will be rounded up and killed. And then we might get some peace for a little while. Until the people Assad is repressing try again. Wars just lead to more wars. The end of a the Syrian civil war will just lead to another war involving Syria. | ||
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Wrath
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On April 05 2017 12:38 KwarK wrote: Are you saying Saddam was a legitimate government? Differently more legitimate than the current sectarian Iran's puppet government at the moment. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14095 Posts
On April 05 2017 12:37 Wrath wrote: So invading Iraq since 2003 till 2011 nothing was found but when ISIS merged in 2014 there was fear that those WMD would fall in their hands suddenly those WMDs were found? Sounds fishy to be honest. A good start would be stop supporting the Kurds to create a country that will fuck up Turkey, Syria, Iraq and maybe Iran. No those WMD's were there the whole time from when Saddam used them to gas the kurds after we sold them to him. You just don't know the real reason why we went into Iraq and it was because of Nuclear weapons. The Syrians have chemical weapons that they use so your argument is moot about it being the same thing. A good start would be supporting the kurds to create a country because they're a large ethnic group in the area that doesn't have their own country while everyone around them does. Russia is clearly a more pressing concern to a Kurdish nation if you'd look at a map then all the nations that would lose a region that gives them trouble (other then Iran but Iran hasn't screwed with them). | ||
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LegalLord
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Wrath
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera Good start that includes fucking up 3 countries but hey, suddenly out of nowhere Kurds in Syria, Turkey became oppressed and now we should merge it up with Iraq-Kurdistan and later some land from Iran. Because reasons... | ||
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KwarK
United States43523 Posts
On April 05 2017 12:41 Wrath wrote: Differently more legitimate than the current sectarian Iran's puppet government at the moment. Have we all forgotten that Saddam was a dictator who seized power, purged his own party and ran a repressive police state that used poison gas, torture and death squads on its own citizens. For Saddam's Iraq to be more legitimate than anywhere it would have to have some legitimacy. | ||
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Wrath
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At least during Saddam, Iraq was independent and "secular". The loyalty is for Iraq and his party. Not foreign and sectarian party. If you have to choose between the two, which one would you choose? Edit: Fuck I'm a ghost now, Tank was better icon... | ||
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KwarK
United States43523 Posts
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Wrath
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Fuck the fact that the country is not independent but merely a Governorate follows Iran. Fuck the fact that secret prisons, death squads are the same but with different loyalties and affiliations Fuck the fact that the country is on the brake of breaking into two states. But hey, we got Saddam hang. That what matters. Sometimes, I just wonder why we are even arguing. | ||
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lastpuritan
United States540 Posts
On April 05 2017 12:41 Sermokala wrote: No those WMD's were there the whole time from when Saddam used them to gas the kurds after we sold them to him. You just don't know the real reason why we went into Iraq and it was because of Nuclear weapons. The Syrians have chemical weapons that they use so your argument is moot about it being the same thing. A good start would be supporting the kurds to create a country because they're a large ethnic group in the area that doesn't have their own country while everyone around them does. Russia is clearly a more pressing concern to a Kurdish nation if you'd look at a map then all the nations that would lose a region that gives them trouble (other then Iran but Iran hasn't screwed with them). Is there an unwritten law somewhere on this earth that grants every ethnicity a nation? Or is this your imperial mind sickens you with a corrupt logic that makes you think supporting an uprising would be a good policy. This attitude needs to end, from individual levels, to international grounds. It's nothing but next level map designing that people cursed GB for almost a century, what makes you think yours would work? | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
"Yesterday, from 11:30 am to 12:30pm local time, Syrian aviation made a strike on a large terrorist ammunition depot and a concentration of military hardware in the eastern outskirts of Khan Sheikhoun town," Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konoshenkov said in a statement posted on YouTube. so, they shot a depo/its vicinity and it leaked chemical gases."On the territory of the depot there were workshops which produced chemical warfare munitions. He said the chemical munitions had been used by rebels in Aleppo last year. "The poisoning symptoms of the victims in Khan Sheikhoun shown on videos in social networks are the same as they were in autumn of the previous year in Aleppo," Konoshenkov said." | ||
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Wrath
3174 Posts
The one who used chemicals was Assad. He started using to force the rebels back after advancing in northern Hamah. Also, Israel confirmed that it has clear evidence that it was Assad's planes which dropped the bombs and it would send it to US. | ||
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iPlaY.NettleS
Australia4379 Posts
Stinks to high heaven.Amazing how fast Assad was blamed though.Almost like the west is trying to justify yet another war escalation.John McCains got a stiffy right now. | ||
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Wrath
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Wrath
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xM(Z
Romania5298 Posts
On April 05 2017 16:12 Wrath wrote: - Assad dropped the bombs, that's obvious; no need for proof.Yeah... Because they would actually say "oops, we did it yeah sorry...". Why the fuck would you strike chemical warfare munitions if it will be released on civilians. What is the difference at this point if you dropped the chemicals directly or bombed the "chemical munitions". The one who used chemicals was Assad. He started using to force the rebels back after advancing in northern Hamah. Also, Israel confirmed that it has clear evidence that it was Assad's planes which dropped the bombs and it would send it to US. - they might have not known about those workshops producing chemical weapons(kind of a long shot or implies some kind of set up), if that was the case. | ||
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