On November 25 2015 00:00 always_winter wrote: Even with NATO backing that's such a ballsy move. Putin's not gonna do anything to a member state, but it definitely stands to change things in Syria. Turkey is an increasingly unpredictable actor and I think its true interests and identity in the region are largely ulterior.
What is he going to do, invade? Its going to be a lot of bluster and maybe some support for the Kurds. But Putin knows what will happen if he steps on the gas and NATO suddenly decided its go time.
On November 25 2015 00:02 LegalLord wrote: Well... can't say I'm surprised. This is coming from the country that cuts diplomatic ties with any nation that acknowledges the Armenian Genocide. They're neither an ally nor business partner and were it not for their strategic positioning, no one would want to have anything to do with them. Sooner or later they were bound to do something stupid enough to gain attention.
Do something stupid. Like violate a countries airspace again after that country told you it would shoot you down next time you did it.
On November 24 2015 23:34 Dangermousecatdog wrote: I guess this is how WWIII begins and in 5 years time the world will be a nuclear wasteland. Nice knowing you all.
Or a lot of stern words.
Because Putin is just going to forgive two dead pilots... I think Turkey is going to have a major Kurd problem over the next few years.
He forgave an entire plane full of dead Russian citizens so why not?
Did he? You must have missed the part where Russia doubled its bombing campaign against ISIS and deployed strategic bombers.
You missed the part where he stalled and stalled until he couldn't deny it any more.
i have not read anywhere that Putin blamed IS for that plane. i read about terrorism and a bomb exploding as the culprits.
One or two of those guys are saying "don't shoot! don't shoot! we can take them prisoners"("esir" means captive or something like that) but these "rebels" are not organized at all. They were getting bombarded by those planes so some of them wanted revenge badly.
One or two of those guys are saying "don't shoot! don't shoot! we can take them prisoners"("esir" means captive or something like that) but these "rebels" are not organized at all. They were getting bombarded by those planes so some of them wanted revenge badly.
I wonder if they actually were taken prisoner, would it boost Russian efforts in Syria or have the opposite effect based on public reaction. But come to think of it, the press and media is so well controlled by the state I'm pretty sure it will probably be the former.
One or two of those guys are saying "don't shoot! don't shoot! we can take them prisoners"("esir" means captive or something like that) but these "rebels" are not organized at all. They were getting bombarded by those planes so some of them wanted revenge badly.
I wonder if they actually were taken prisoner, would it boost Russian efforts in Syria or have the opposite effect based on public reaction. But come to think of it, the press and media is so well controlled by the state I'm pretty sure it will probably be the former.
Public reaction would be to do more in Syria either way. Wouldn't take media manipulation to get that reaction either.
turkey holds tremendous value as a regional asset but it's also increasingly unstable. also up to proxy rebel nonsense. hope erdogan gets a good hour of 'literally why' from nato
On November 25 2015 01:22 oneofthem wrote: turkey holds tremendous value as a regional asset but it's also increasingly unstable. also up to proxy rebel nonsense. hope erdogan gets a good hour of 'literally why' from nato
Considering the amount of times Russia has done this sort of thing in northern Europe and the amount of times those countries will have wished they could just shoot them out of the sky I think it wont be nearly as bad as that.
On November 25 2015 01:22 oneofthem wrote: turkey holds tremendous value as a regional asset but it's also increasingly unstable. also up to proxy rebel nonsense. hope erdogan gets a good hour of 'literally why' from nato
Considering the amount of times Russia has done this sort of thing in northern Europe and the amount of times those countries will have wished they could just shoot them out of the sky I think it wont be nearly as bad as that.
it's fairly obvious that turkey was primarily dissatisfied with russian intervention in syria, not in turkey. this was just an opportunity to do some firefights. this provocative stance is no good.
On November 25 2015 01:29 oneofthem wrote: it's fairly obvious that turkey was primarily dissatisfied with russian intervention in syria, not in turkey. this was just an opportunity to do some firefights. this provocative stance is no good.
as i said before, little dogs bark the loudest.
So how did Turkey make that Russian pilot violate their airspace, despite clearly stating them that the next incursion would be met by force? Russia called their bluff and lost.
On November 25 2015 01:29 oneofthem wrote: it's fairly obvious that turkey was primarily dissatisfied with russian intervention in syria, not in turkey. this was just an opportunity to do some firefights. this provocative stance is no good.
as i said before, little dogs bark the loudest.
So how did Turkey make that Russian pilot violate their airspace, despite clearly stating them that the next incursion would be met by force? Russia called their bluff and lost.
this is like shooting down jay walkers after ignoring them forever. both disproportionate and disruptive.
i'm not a putin fan at all (obviously) but in this case turkey is just highly irresponsible. i'd say russia is reaping what it sows but a centralized propaganda state like russia is going to take advantage fo the incident far better.
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