Iraq & Syrian Civil Wars - Page 318

On October 23 2015 13:24 KwarK wrote:

That's not really how it works. You see there's more to nationality than race. The Brits are a mongrel race composed of many people. There's no more reason to exclude people of Arab descent from being British than there would be to exclude people of Norse descent.

On October 23 2015 19:42 xM(Z wrote:
you were all about rational processes in the meat thread so rationalize that.
the values the West imposed on its people and then bragged about, need to pass through trials before they get validated as to their actual value for our evolution as a species.
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On October 23 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:
That happens most of the times xmz posts. As for the bit about Arab ethnicity and culture prevailing in their new home, it is both wrong to assert there's no such thing as American or British culture, and that Arabs won't fit into it.

American culture is a mishmash, and there are Italian, Jewish, Chinese, Mexican, Cuban and even Norwegian, Russian and Japanese communities living in the States, maintaining their own customs and traditions despite being thoroughly American.

In Britain there are Malay, Pakistani, Indian and Irish communities in a similar position.

There is no reason why Arabs should be different. In fact, there are already Arab communities showing that it's not that different at all.

On October 23 2015 23:45 ref4 wrote:


Muslims communities in Europe generally like to go around declaring sharia law and beheading police officers and artists that drew Muhammad.

Muslims in America behave much better.

On October 24 2015 00:08 KwarK wrote:

Almost all of the "Sharia Law in Britain" bullshit comes from a misunderstanding of our public dispute system. If two members of the public have a civil (ie not criminal) dispute with each other and they both wish to someone mediate it then they're allowed to do that because, you know, why the hell wouldn't they be allowed that. If two Muslims have a civil dispute about something and they're both pretty hardcore Muslims and they ask their Imam to provide a Sharia interpretation of who is in the right that's a totally fine thing for them to do. The ruling is not binding and in no way replaces, alters or undermines the laws we have. It saves the public time and money and encourages people to resolve their bullshit within their own community. And again, if a criminal offence has been committed the police aren't going to care that the Imam says he has resolved the situation.

And yet I repeatedly hear this system as being described as "Sharia courts operating in Britain".

On October 23 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:
That happens most of the times xmz posts. As for the bit about Arab ethnicity and culture prevailing in their new home, it is both wrong to assert there's no such thing as American or British culture, and that Arabs won't fit into it.

American culture is a mishmash, and there are Italian, Jewish, Chinese, Mexican, Cuban and even Norwegian, Russian and Japanese communities living in the States, maintaining their own customs and traditions despite being thoroughly American.

In Britain there are Malay, Pakistani, Indian and Irish communities in a similar position.

There is no reason why Arabs should be different. In fact, there are already Arab communities showing that it's not that different at all.

On October 24 2015 00:00 Velr wrote:
Yeah, these constant beheadings and the sharia law in europe are really troublesome.


What else is diffrent in your universe and what do you think about Chemtrails?

On October 24 2015 00:21 ref4 wrote:


I have never heard of chemtrails but you have heard of Theo Van Gogh right?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)

On October 24 2015 00:27 Gorsameth wrote:

Who was neither beheaded not was his attacker cleared under sharia law. What is your point exactly?
Crazy man does crazy thing? Who would have thought that...

On October 24 2015 00:45 ref4 wrote:


keep reading. he got shot first then got his throat cut in a decapitation attempt.

On October 24 2015 01:12 Rebs wrote:


Is this where I post instances of all the innocent people that have been blown to smithereens because of drones and airstrikes? ? Whats your point ?

That this sort of isolated violence is worse than mass murder that somehow because your idea of remote controlled violence is easier to stomach that its better?

Bad people do bad things all the time, that is the sorry state of the world, but if your going to suggest a certain kind of people are inherently violent and keep doing things constantly, while ignoring the fact that the "indigenous" peoples are guilty of much worse.. Wellll thats not really fair.

On October 24 2015 01:12 Rebs wrote:


Is this where I post instances of all the innocent people that have been blown to smithereens because of drones and airstrikes? ? Whats your point ?

That this sort of isolated violence is worse than mass murder that somehow because your idea of remote controlled violence is easier to stomach that its better?

Bad people do bad things all the time, that is the sorry state of the world, but if your going to suggest a certain kind of people are inherently violent and keep doing things constantly, while ignoring the fact that the "indigenous" peoples are guilty of much worse.. Wellll thats not really fair.

On October 24 2015 01:19 ref4 wrote:


I really like your what-about-ism. I am equally appalled by the actions of the biggest and most powerful terrorist state on this planet (i.e. good ol' United States of America) but I was talking about the actions of muslims extremists.

Where in any of my posts did you find that I support the genocidal war-mongering acts of America or any of her coalition allies? Jesus christ/Muhammad man. At least stay on topic.

While you're at it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

On October 24 2015 01:34 Rebs wrote:


I was worried it was going to get brushed of like that.

I didnt say you are supporting it, i am just saying you cant say this is bad exclusively and provide the sort of argument you are for it when other people are doing the same thing with more consistency.

You are saying that the Muslims misbehaving in Europe is a real problem. But in the context of whats going on in the world, its a much smaller problem. One to be addressed ofcourse, but the solution is having inclusive societies that respect people. No one is constantly out to kill you and impose their laws on you broh. its mostly reactive.

If you are going to account for the amount of violence muslims cause in Europe compared to other groups its rather small.

There I addressed your point about extremism, still gonna throw the logical fallacy argument in my face ? Sigh ....

On October 24 2015 02:44 ref4 wrote:


what is your definition of "other groups"? because interestingly enough, proportionally muslims migrants, the largest group of immigrants to Europe, do commit more crimes (in Europe).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis

I know that the overwhelm majority of muslim is not extremist/criminal/jihadist. I know muslim countries that are extremely liberal (Turkey, Jordan). But come on man when you arrived to such free and welcoming countries in Europe, leave your women-beating and gay-hating ideologies back where they belong in the shit hole that is the middle east.

On October 24 2015 03:07 Rebs wrote:


Other groups dont have to be people, they can be governments, institutions, organizations. At the end of the day they still represent you the common person.

By that token are you really that much superior. Your talking about crime rates, I didnt mention anything about petty or violent crime. Which ofcourse is just as rooted in social factors as it is in religion. Religion is justification more than anything else.

Again the hypocrisy is rather evident, you keep saying that the ideology is wrong, but you do nothing to actually sort that. We all know where the gay hating, wife beating ideologies are funded and come from. But that would be bad for business. I cant think of any of these things being an issue where I grew up. Its a very recent thing. It correlates with alot of other events that involved "free and welcoming countries" just saying.

There is a conservative streak no doubt. But it doesnt bother anyone unless you attack it or it gets radicalized. In that respect when you profile refugees and immigrants on the basis of what you consider and not acceptable you are doing exactly the same thing. How is it free and open ? Its actually toxic to assume that violence against women and homosexuals is a "muslim" thing since thats been done by pretty much all religious conservatives across the world if you look at history.

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And for the love of god please stop linking wikipedia articles. Atleast bother to check what the articles are quoting. Not suggesting the information is wrong but if thats what you use for information.. man I dont even know what to say. Your google powers are strong. Clearly real academia is not for you + Show Spoiler +

On October 24 2015 00:21 Redox wrote:
Of couse you can be American and Arab at the same time,

American (or British, or Brazilian) is not an ethnicity while Swedish is