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On October 23 2015 13:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 12:43 AssyrianKing wrote:On October 23 2015 12:26 ref4 wrote:On October 23 2015 10:59 AssyrianKing wrote:
The birth rate for Europeans is very problematic, come on euro's, you guys need to have kids mate :\ don't worry mate the huge influx of refugees will balance out the stagnating birth rates of euros  Europe is saved! I was talking about the actual Europeans... Seriously though, if you don't start having kids you will be a minority in your own country... :\ That's not really how it works. You see there's more to nationality than race. The Brits are a mongrel race composed of many people. There's no more reason to exclude people of Arab descent from being British than there would be to exclude people of Norse descent.
The people of Arab descent see it differently though. They are proud of being Arabs and that is what they want to remain to be. Just like AssyrianKing sees himself as Assyrian first even if he lives in Australia or whatever. Same with most other ethnicities. That is the part that most Americans dont understand since there is no American (or British as in your example) ethnicity.
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On October 23 2015 19:42 xM(Z wrote:you were all about rational processes in the meat thread so rationalize that. the values the West imposed on its people and then bragged about, need to pass through trials before they get validated as to their actual value for our evolution as a species. + Show Spoiler +but come on dude, i showed you how little it would take for one to start bombing you and you played the clueless card. actually i don't know, maybe you're supposed to/it's natural to not see it coming.
I wasn't arguing for or against what you were saying. I simply have no clue what the point in that paragraph you wrote is. As far as i can decipher, you want to make some argument against consumerism? It seems to be quite the non sequitur to the post you were answering to.
And now you apparently argue for some sort of social darwinism that tests the values of the west, which you seem to think is arrogant? And somehow the whole thing is linked to someone bombing me, but once again that is not entirely clear.
Basically, i was asking you (rather impolitely, for which i apologize) to clarify your rambling into a coherent argument.
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I have no idea what any of those xM(Z posts mean.
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That happens most of the times xmz posts. As for the bit about Arab ethnicity and culture prevailing in their new home, it is both wrong to assert there's no such thing as American or British culture, and that Arabs won't fit into it.
American culture is a mishmash, and there are Italian, Jewish, Chinese, Mexican, Cuban and even Norwegian, Russian and Japanese communities living in the States, maintaining their own customs and traditions despite being thoroughly American.
In Britain there are Malay, Pakistani, Indian and Irish communities in a similar position.
There is no reason why Arabs should be different. In fact, there are already Arab communities showing that it's not that different at all.
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On October 23 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:
That happens most of the times xmz posts. As for the bit about Arab ethnicity and culture prevailing in their new home, it is both wrong to assert there's no such thing as American or British culture, and that Arabs won't fit into it.
American culture is a mishmash, and there are Italian, Jewish, Chinese, Mexican, Cuban and even Norwegian, Russian and Japanese communities living in the States, maintaining their own customs and traditions despite being thoroughly American.
In Britain there are Malay, Pakistani, Indian and Irish communities in a similar position.
There is no reason why Arabs should be different. In fact, there are already Arab communities showing that it's not that different at all.
Muslims communities in Europe generally like to go around declaring sharia law and beheading police officers and artists that drew Muhammad.
Muslims in America behave much better.
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Yeah, these constant beheadings and the sharia law in europe are really troublesome.
What else is diffrent in your universe and what do you think about Chemtrails?
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On October 23 2015 23:45 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:
That happens most of the times xmz posts. As for the bit about Arab ethnicity and culture prevailing in their new home, it is both wrong to assert there's no such thing as American or British culture, and that Arabs won't fit into it.
American culture is a mishmash, and there are Italian, Jewish, Chinese, Mexican, Cuban and even Norwegian, Russian and Japanese communities living in the States, maintaining their own customs and traditions despite being thoroughly American.
In Britain there are Malay, Pakistani, Indian and Irish communities in a similar position.
There is no reason why Arabs should be different. In fact, there are already Arab communities showing that it's not that different at all. Muslims communities in Europe generally like to go around declaring sharia law and beheading police officers and artists that drew Muhammad. Muslims in America behave much better.
Almost all of the "Sharia Law in Britain" bullshit comes from a misunderstanding of our public dispute system. If two members of the public have a civil (ie not criminal) dispute with each other and they both wish to someone mediate it then they're allowed to do that because, you know, why the hell wouldn't they be allowed that. If two Muslims have a civil dispute about something and they're both pretty hardcore Muslims and they ask their Imam to provide a Sharia interpretation of who is in the right that's a totally fine thing for them to do. The ruling is not binding and in no way replaces, alters or undermines the laws we have. It saves the public time and money and encourages people to resolve their bullshit within their own community. And again, if a criminal offence has been committed the police aren't going to care that the Imam says he has resolved the situation.
And yet I repeatedly hear this system as being described as "Sharia courts operating in Britain".
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On October 24 2015 00:08 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 23:45 ref4 wrote:On October 23 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:
That happens most of the times xmz posts. As for the bit about Arab ethnicity and culture prevailing in their new home, it is both wrong to assert there's no such thing as American or British culture, and that Arabs won't fit into it.
American culture is a mishmash, and there are Italian, Jewish, Chinese, Mexican, Cuban and even Norwegian, Russian and Japanese communities living in the States, maintaining their own customs and traditions despite being thoroughly American.
In Britain there are Malay, Pakistani, Indian and Irish communities in a similar position.
There is no reason why Arabs should be different. In fact, there are already Arab communities showing that it's not that different at all. Muslims communities in Europe generally like to go around declaring sharia law and beheading police officers and artists that drew Muhammad. Muslims in America behave much better. Almost all of the "Sharia Law in Britain" bullshit comes from a misunderstanding of our public dispute system. If two members of the public have a civil (ie not criminal) dispute with each other and they both wish to someone mediate it then they're allowed to do that because, you know, why the hell wouldn't they be allowed that. If two Muslims have a civil dispute about something and they're both pretty hardcore Muslims and they ask their Imam to provide a Sharia interpretation of who is in the right that's a totally fine thing for them to do. The ruling is not binding and in no way replaces, alters or undermines the laws we have. It saves the public time and money and encourages people to resolve their bullshit within their own community. And again, if a criminal offence has been committed the police aren't going to care that the Imam says he has resolved the situation. And yet I repeatedly hear this system as being described as "Sharia courts operating in Britain".
Because reality doesn't make for fun headlines to click bait with.
Journalistic integrity meant something once, or maybe we were all a lot more naive back then.
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On October 23 2015 23:35 Acrofales wrote:
That happens most of the times xmz posts. As for the bit about Arab ethnicity and culture prevailing in their new home, it is both wrong to assert there's no such thing as American or British culture, and that Arabs won't fit into it.
American culture is a mishmash, and there are Italian, Jewish, Chinese, Mexican, Cuban and even Norwegian, Russian and Japanese communities living in the States, maintaining their own customs and traditions despite being thoroughly American.
In Britain there are Malay, Pakistani, Indian and Irish communities in a similar position.
There is no reason why Arabs should be different. In fact, there are already Arab communities showing that it's not that different at all.
You did not get my point at all. Of couse you can be American and Arab at the same time, that was just what I have been saying. But it works much less well with being Swedish (or other Europwean or Asian ethnicity) and Arab at the same time. Because American (or British, or Brazilian) is not an ethnicity while Swedish is. Swedes are precisely not the mishmash you described.
And my main point here was that it is not simply about those immigrants being denied access as Kwark implied but that they dont want to be fucking Swedish, German or whatever. They are proud to be what they are. All they want is to live in these countries within their own communities because of higher quality of life.
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On October 24 2015 00:00 Velr wrote:
Yeah, these constant beheadings and the sharia law in europe are really troublesome.
What else is diffrent in your universe and what do you think about Chemtrails?
I have never heard of chemtrails but you have heard of Theo Van Gogh right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director)
And the various deaths that happened to Salman Rushdie's translators and editors around the world? And the fatwa on Rushdie's head by the supreme leader of Iran?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Satanic_Verses
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Who was neither beheaded not was his attacker cleared under sharia law. What is your point exactly?
Crazy man does crazy thing? Who would have thought that...
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On October 24 2015 00:27 Gorsameth wrote:Who was neither beheaded not was his attacker cleared under sharia law. What is your point exactly? Crazy man does crazy thing? Who would have thought that...
keep reading. he got shot first then got his throat cut in a decapitation attempt.
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On October 24 2015 00:45 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:27 Gorsameth wrote:On October 24 2015 00:21 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:00 Velr wrote:
Yeah, these constant beheadings and the sharia law in europe are really troublesome.
What else is diffrent in your universe and what do you think about Chemtrails? I have never heard of chemtrails but you have heard of Theo Van Gogh right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director) Who was neither beheaded not was his attacker cleared under sharia law. What is your point exactly? Crazy man does crazy thing? Who would have thought that... keep reading. he got shot first then got his throat cut in a decapitation attempt.
Is this where I post instances of all the innocent people that have been blown to smithereens because of drones and airstrikes? ? Whats your point ?
That this sort of isolated violence is worse than mass murder that somehow because your idea of remote controlled violence is easier to stomach that its better?
Bad people do bad things all the time, that is the sorry state of the world, but if your going to suggest a certain kind of people are inherently violent and keep doing things constantly, while ignoring the fact that the "non muslims" are guilty of much worse.. Wellll thats not really fair. Oh wait.. its because your trying to kill the bad guys. Well then thats ok then.
So Rushdie got some Fatwas launched against him. He is a smart man, but also a bonafide bigot. He is just as biased as the people who issued the Fatwa's against him. Its just that hes smarter than they are and sits there claiming a moral high ground.
Hes still alive, healthy and enjoys a great lifestyle globetrotting and what not.
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On October 24 2015 01:12 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:45 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:27 Gorsameth wrote:On October 24 2015 00:21 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:00 Velr wrote:
Yeah, these constant beheadings and the sharia law in europe are really troublesome.
What else is diffrent in your universe and what do you think about Chemtrails? I have never heard of chemtrails but you have heard of Theo Van Gogh right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director) Who was neither beheaded not was his attacker cleared under sharia law. What is your point exactly? Crazy man does crazy thing? Who would have thought that... keep reading. he got shot first then got his throat cut in a decapitation attempt. Is this where I post instances of all the innocent people that have been blown to smithereens because of drones and airstrikes? ? Whats your point ? That this sort of isolated violence is worse than mass murder that somehow because your idea of remote controlled violence is easier to stomach that its better? Bad people do bad things all the time, that is the sorry state of the world, but if your going to suggest a certain kind of people are inherently violent and keep doing things constantly, while ignoring the fact that the "indigenous" peoples are guilty of much worse.. Wellll thats not really fair.
I really like your what-about-ism. I am equally appalled by the actions of the biggest and most powerful terrorist state on this planet (i.e. good ol' United States of America) but I was talking about the actions of muslims extremists.
Where in any of my posts did you find that I support the genocidal war-mongering acts of America or any of her coalition allies? Jesus christ/Muhammad man. At least stay on topic.
While you're at it:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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On October 24 2015 01:12 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 00:45 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:27 Gorsameth wrote:On October 24 2015 00:21 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:00 Velr wrote:
Yeah, these constant beheadings and the sharia law in europe are really troublesome.
What else is diffrent in your universe and what do you think about Chemtrails? I have never heard of chemtrails but you have heard of Theo Van Gogh right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director) Who was neither beheaded not was his attacker cleared under sharia law. What is your point exactly? Crazy man does crazy thing? Who would have thought that... keep reading. he got shot first then got his throat cut in a decapitation attempt. Is this where I post instances of all the innocent people that have been blown to smithereens because of drones and airstrikes? ? Whats your point ? That this sort of isolated violence is worse than mass murder that somehow because your idea of remote controlled violence is easier to stomach that its better? Bad people do bad things all the time, that is the sorry state of the world, but if your going to suggest a certain kind of people are inherently violent and keep doing things constantly, while ignoring the fact that the "indigenous" peoples are guilty of much worse.. Wellll thats not really fair.
Drone strikes is probaby the worst comparison you could have come up with. Not only because there is a difference between accindentally and purposefully killing someone, but also because they Dutch dont do any. And wtf do you mean with "indigenous" peoples are guilty of much worse?
(btw I bet the Pakistani army did way more colleteral damage during their operations in the tribal regions than the Americans with their drones)
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On October 24 2015 01:19 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:12 Rebs wrote:On October 24 2015 00:45 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:27 Gorsameth wrote:On October 24 2015 00:21 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:00 Velr wrote:
Yeah, these constant beheadings and the sharia law in europe are really troublesome.
What else is diffrent in your universe and what do you think about Chemtrails? I have never heard of chemtrails but you have heard of Theo Van Gogh right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director) Who was neither beheaded not was his attacker cleared under sharia law. What is your point exactly? Crazy man does crazy thing? Who would have thought that... keep reading. he got shot first then got his throat cut in a decapitation attempt. Is this where I post instances of all the innocent people that have been blown to smithereens because of drones and airstrikes? ? Whats your point ? That this sort of isolated violence is worse than mass murder that somehow because your idea of remote controlled violence is easier to stomach that its better? Bad people do bad things all the time, that is the sorry state of the world, but if your going to suggest a certain kind of people are inherently violent and keep doing things constantly, while ignoring the fact that the "indigenous" peoples are guilty of much worse.. Wellll thats not really fair. I really like your what-about-ism. I am equally appalled by the actions of the biggest and most powerful terrorist state on this planet (i.e. good ol' United States of America) but I was talking about the actions of muslims extremists. Where in any of my posts did you find that I support the genocidal war-mongering acts of America or any of her coalition allies? Jesus christ/Muhammad man. At least stay on topic. While you're at it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
I was worried it was going to get brushed of like that.
I didnt say you are supporting it, i am just saying you cant say this is bad exclusively and provide the sort of argument you are for it when other people are doing the same thing with more consistency.
You are saying that the Muslims misbehaving in Europe is a real problem. But in the context of whats going on in the world, its a much smaller problem. One to be addressed ofcourse, but the solution is having inclusive societies that respect people. No one is constantly out to kill you and impose their laws on you broh. its mostly reactive.
If you are going to account for the amount of violence muslims cause in Europe compared to other groups its rather small.
There I addressed your point about extremism, still gonna throw the logical fallacy argument in my face ? Sigh ....
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On October 24 2015 01:34 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:19 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 01:12 Rebs wrote:On October 24 2015 00:45 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:27 Gorsameth wrote:On October 24 2015 00:21 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:00 Velr wrote:
Yeah, these constant beheadings and the sharia law in europe are really troublesome.
What else is diffrent in your universe and what do you think about Chemtrails? I have never heard of chemtrails but you have heard of Theo Van Gogh right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director) Who was neither beheaded not was his attacker cleared under sharia law. What is your point exactly? Crazy man does crazy thing? Who would have thought that... keep reading. he got shot first then got his throat cut in a decapitation attempt. Is this where I post instances of all the innocent people that have been blown to smithereens because of drones and airstrikes? ? Whats your point ? That this sort of isolated violence is worse than mass murder that somehow because your idea of remote controlled violence is easier to stomach that its better? Bad people do bad things all the time, that is the sorry state of the world, but if your going to suggest a certain kind of people are inherently violent and keep doing things constantly, while ignoring the fact that the "indigenous" peoples are guilty of much worse.. Wellll thats not really fair. I really like your what-about-ism. I am equally appalled by the actions of the biggest and most powerful terrorist state on this planet (i.e. good ol' United States of America) but I was talking about the actions of muslims extremists. Where in any of my posts did you find that I support the genocidal war-mongering acts of America or any of her coalition allies? Jesus christ/Muhammad man. At least stay on topic. While you're at it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism I was worried it was going to get brushed of like that. I didnt say you are supporting it, i am just saying you cant say this is bad exclusively and provide the sort of argument you are for it when other people are doing the same thing with more consistency. You are saying that the Muslims misbehaving in Europe is a real problem. But in the context of whats going on in the world, its a much smaller problem. One to be addressed ofcourse, but the solution is having inclusive societies that respect people. No one is constantly out to kill you and impose their laws on you broh. its mostly reactive. If you are going to account for the amount of violence muslims cause in Europe compared to other groups its rather small. There I addressed your point about extremism, still gonna throw the logical fallacy argument in my face ? Sigh ....
what is your definition of "other groups"? because interestingly enough, proportionally muslims migrants, the largest group of immigrants to Europe, do commit more crimes (in Europe).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crime
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisis
I know that the overwhelm majority of muslim is not extremist/criminal/jihadist. I know muslim countries that are extremely liberal (Turkey, Jordan). But come on man when you arrived to such free and welcoming countries in Europe, leave your women-beating and gay-hating ideologies back where they belong in the shit hole that is the middle east.
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On October 24 2015 02:44 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 01:34 Rebs wrote:On October 24 2015 01:19 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 01:12 Rebs wrote:On October 24 2015 00:45 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:27 Gorsameth wrote:On October 24 2015 00:21 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:00 Velr wrote:
Yeah, these constant beheadings and the sharia law in europe are really troublesome.
What else is diffrent in your universe and what do you think about Chemtrails? I have never heard of chemtrails but you have heard of Theo Van Gogh right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director) Who was neither beheaded not was his attacker cleared under sharia law. What is your point exactly? Crazy man does crazy thing? Who would have thought that... keep reading. he got shot first then got his throat cut in a decapitation attempt. Is this where I post instances of all the innocent people that have been blown to smithereens because of drones and airstrikes? ? Whats your point ? That this sort of isolated violence is worse than mass murder that somehow because your idea of remote controlled violence is easier to stomach that its better? Bad people do bad things all the time, that is the sorry state of the world, but if your going to suggest a certain kind of people are inherently violent and keep doing things constantly, while ignoring the fact that the "indigenous" peoples are guilty of much worse.. Wellll thats not really fair. I really like your what-about-ism. I am equally appalled by the actions of the biggest and most powerful terrorist state on this planet (i.e. good ol' United States of America) but I was talking about the actions of muslims extremists. Where in any of my posts did you find that I support the genocidal war-mongering acts of America or any of her coalition allies? Jesus christ/Muhammad man. At least stay on topic. While you're at it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism I was worried it was going to get brushed of like that. I didnt say you are supporting it, i am just saying you cant say this is bad exclusively and provide the sort of argument you are for it when other people are doing the same thing with more consistency. You are saying that the Muslims misbehaving in Europe is a real problem. But in the context of whats going on in the world, its a much smaller problem. One to be addressed ofcourse, but the solution is having inclusive societies that respect people. No one is constantly out to kill you and impose their laws on you broh. its mostly reactive. If you are going to account for the amount of violence muslims cause in Europe compared to other groups its rather small. There I addressed your point about extremism, still gonna throw the logical fallacy argument in my face ? Sigh .... what is your definition of "other groups"? because interestingly enough, proportionally muslims migrants, the largest group of immigrants to Europe, do commit more crimes (in Europe). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crimehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisisI know that the overwhelm majority of muslim is not extremist/criminal/jihadist. I know muslim countries that are extremely liberal (Turkey, Jordan). But come on man when you arrived to such free and welcoming countries in Europe, leave your women-beating and gay-hating ideologies back where they belong in the shit hole that is the middle east.
Other groups dont have to be people, they can be governments, institutions, organizations. At the end of the day they still represent you the common person.
By that token are you really that much superior. Your talking about crime rates, I didnt mention anything about petty or violent crime. Which ofcourse is just as rooted in social factors as it is in religion. Religion is justification more than anything else.
Again the hypocrisy is rather evident, you keep saying that the ideology is wrong, but you do nothing to actually sort that. We all know where the gay hating, wife beating ideologies are funded and come from. But that would be bad for business. I cant think of any of these things being an issue where I grew up. Its a very recent thing. It correlates with alot of other events that involved "free and welcoming countries" just saying.
There is a conservative streak no doubt. But it doesnt bother anyone unless you attack it or it gets radicalized. In that respect when you profile refugees and immigrants on the basis of what you consider and not acceptable you are doing exactly the same thing. How is it free and open ? Its actually toxic to assume that violence against women and homosexuals is a "muslim" thing since thats been done by pretty much all religious conservatives across the world if you look at history.
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And for the love of god please stop linking wikipedia articles. Atleast bother to check what the articles are quoting. Not suggesting the information is wrong but if thats what you use for information.. man I dont even know what to say. Your google powers are strong. Clearly real academia is not for you + Show Spoiler +(this is a suggestion unrelated to the topic at hand, but its rather insulting to have wiki articles post as evidence of something.
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On October 24 2015 03:07 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 24 2015 02:44 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 01:34 Rebs wrote:On October 24 2015 01:19 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 01:12 Rebs wrote:On October 24 2015 00:45 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:27 Gorsameth wrote:On October 24 2015 00:21 ref4 wrote:On October 24 2015 00:00 Velr wrote:
Yeah, these constant beheadings and the sharia law in europe are really troublesome.
What else is diffrent in your universe and what do you think about Chemtrails? I have never heard of chemtrails but you have heard of Theo Van Gogh right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theo_van_Gogh_(film_director) Who was neither beheaded not was his attacker cleared under sharia law. What is your point exactly? Crazy man does crazy thing? Who would have thought that... keep reading. he got shot first then got his throat cut in a decapitation attempt. Is this where I post instances of all the innocent people that have been blown to smithereens because of drones and airstrikes? ? Whats your point ? That this sort of isolated violence is worse than mass murder that somehow because your idea of remote controlled violence is easier to stomach that its better? Bad people do bad things all the time, that is the sorry state of the world, but if your going to suggest a certain kind of people are inherently violent and keep doing things constantly, while ignoring the fact that the "indigenous" peoples are guilty of much worse.. Wellll thats not really fair. I really like your what-about-ism. I am equally appalled by the actions of the biggest and most powerful terrorist state on this planet (i.e. good ol' United States of America) but I was talking about the actions of muslims extremists. Where in any of my posts did you find that I support the genocidal war-mongering acts of America or any of her coalition allies? Jesus christ/Muhammad man. At least stay on topic. While you're at it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism I was worried it was going to get brushed of like that. I didnt say you are supporting it, i am just saying you cant say this is bad exclusively and provide the sort of argument you are for it when other people are doing the same thing with more consistency. You are saying that the Muslims misbehaving in Europe is a real problem. But in the context of whats going on in the world, its a much smaller problem. One to be addressed ofcourse, but the solution is having inclusive societies that respect people. No one is constantly out to kill you and impose their laws on you broh. its mostly reactive. If you are going to account for the amount of violence muslims cause in Europe compared to other groups its rather small. There I addressed your point about extremism, still gonna throw the logical fallacy argument in my face ? Sigh .... what is your definition of "other groups"? because interestingly enough, proportionally muslims migrants, the largest group of immigrants to Europe, do commit more crimes (in Europe). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_and_crimehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_migrant_crisisI know that the overwhelm majority of muslim is not extremist/criminal/jihadist. I know muslim countries that are extremely liberal (Turkey, Jordan). But come on man when you arrived to such free and welcoming countries in Europe, leave your women-beating and gay-hating ideologies back where they belong in the shit hole that is the middle east. Other groups dont have to be people, they can be governments, institutions, organizations. At the end of the day they still represent you the common person. By that token are you really that much superior. Your talking about crime rates, I didnt mention anything about petty or violent crime. Which ofcourse is just as rooted in social factors as it is in religion. Religion is justification more than anything else. Again the hypocrisy is rather evident, you keep saying that the ideology is wrong, but you do nothing to actually sort that. We all know where the gay hating, wife beating ideologies are funded and come from. But that would be bad for business. I cant think of any of these things being an issue where I grew up. Its a very recent thing. It correlates with alot of other events that involved "free and welcoming countries" just saying. There is a conservative streak no doubt. But it doesnt bother anyone unless you attack it or it gets radicalized. In that respect when you profile refugees and immigrants on the basis of what you consider and not acceptable you are doing exactly the same thing. How is it free and open ? Its actually toxic to assume that violence against women and homosexuals is a "muslim" thing since thats been done by pretty much all religious conservatives across the world if you look at history. [spoiler] And for the love of god please stop linking wikipedia articles. Atleast bother to check what the articles are quoting. Not suggesting the information is wrong but if thats what you use for information.. man I dont even know what to say. Your google powers are strong. Clearly real academia is not for you + Show Spoiler +(this is a suggestion unrelated to the topic at hand, but its rather insulting to have wiki articles post as evidence of something.
don't know what you are talking about but I did acknowledged that most muslims are NOT criminals and extremists in my previous post (the one you yourself quoted).
again, yeah yeah blah blah all religions prosecuted homosexuals and women yea yeah. I would bring that up in a thread regarding Christians but this thread is about Syrian civil war and the fallout and consequences of the exodus of poor Syrian refugees to European societies that might just as well be a completely different planet to them.
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On October 24 2015 00:21 Redox wrote:
Of couse you can be American and Arab at the same time,
It depends on what definition of "american". You speak about "ethnicity" so if Arab refers to people coming from the arabian peninsula, american should refer to the precolombian population. and you cant be both. Unless you're mixing the definitions.
American (or British, or Brazilian) is not an ethnicity while Swedish is WHat??? you know that's almost a racist statement ?
but back to the topic,
I wonder how strong the shift of political power will be with russia taking the lead on middleE ? Does saudi arabia will go crazy ?
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