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This is what happens when your heart bleeds just a little too much: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34592797
Tents have been torched at a transit camp in Slovenia, allegedly by migrants angry at how they are being treated.
They torched the tents at the camp in Brezice to protest at the slow process of registering them and moving them to the Austrian border, witnesses said.
They have also complained of a lack of food, water and blankets in the camp.
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Better punish everyone, regardless of involvement, and come up with a new policy to deny tents until they, in this case everyone regardless of involvement, can learn to respect them. After all, if a strategy doesn't work for managing 10 year olds at a school it'll probably solve a refugee crisis.
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On October 22 2015 05:28 Mohdoo wrote:This is what happens when your heart bleeds just a little too much: http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34592797Show nested quote +Tents have been torched at a transit camp in Slovenia, allegedly by migrants angry at how they are being treated.
They torched the tents at the camp in Brezice to protest at the slow process of registering them and moving them to the Austrian border, witnesses said.
They have also complained of a lack of food, water and blankets in the camp.
Because nothing says protest like burning down your house.
Dumb people...
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On October 01 2015 23:27 Falling wrote:
My goodness. Now that Russia has started bombing targets- in which they claim are ISIS targets, and US claims they are not- the Canadian Broadcast Corporation's comment section is flooded with pro-Putin comments, Americans are hypocrits comments, and with a heavy dose of either ISIS is US backed or US has been failing to fight ISIS for the last 12 years, but now Putin will get it done.
edut
Actually, I guess Russia is now saying some targets are not ISIS. So realpolitik, then. Still doesn't change the unbelievable and abrupt support for Putin in the CBC comment section... or the fact that some are claiming we've been fighting ISIS for 12 years...
at least they are not useful idiots, just paid ones.
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Trades are virtually always mutuall beneficial. That is why people trade, because they expect to benefit from the trade and they are generally pretty well informed about whether or not they will benefit from a given transaction. There are some rare exceptions which I mentioned, but the person who trades and does not benefit quickly realizes this and avoids these trades in the future. Thus the overwhelming majority of trades end up being mutually beneficial. Trade has driven civilization since the dawn of man. It's why Columbus went off in search of India, why the American Indians and Africans living below the Sahara did not develop (no one to trade with) and is the foundation of every society. We all trade constantly and we do so because we benefit from it.
That's sweet, However that's not reality. Fair trade doesnt exist.
First war, pacification then trade.
And about your examples, Colombus did not trade with the native, he enslaved them and stole their land/gold.
Africans below saraha didnt develop? racist statement?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghana_Empire
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timbuktu
We have a responsibility to clean up their mess You can try to clean this mess but it will happen again and again as long as western countries help dictators to prevent any kind of democraty/political change.
intervention in the affairs of other nations does not work This would require to disband several international institutions like UN, OECD, WTO, IMF...Again that's not how reality works
How many tens of millions of innocent civilians need to die in the middle east until you all acknowledge that we aren't smart enough to play God? How many more must be sacrificed on the altar of our hubris before we acknowledge that intervention simply does not work?
No one is playing thor, it's called greed and a lot of people are still going to die on this altar especially with our current economic system.
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Resident = show up.
Citizen = be a resident for 4-5 years.
Were pretty fucked yeah. Like the country won't collapse or anything but I expect a society much like the US or worse if we don't do something at 2018 in the latest.
Heavily segregated, gated communities, no welfare state for the poor (brown) lower class and a lot of racism. I'll probably be fine even if I stay but I'm considering moving to Norway or Denmark if I have kids if this happen, would like them to grow up in a country with a Scandinavian model of society.
Like I'm not saying it will be hell on earth or anything, it will probably be fine if you have a good education. It's just won't be what I grew up in.
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On October 23 2015 05:50 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Resident = show up. Citizen = be a resident for 4-5 years. Were pretty fucked yeah. Like the country won't collapse or anything but I expect a society much like the US or worse if we don't do something at 2018 in the latest. Heavily segregated, gated communities, no welfare state for the poor (brown) lower class and a lot of racism. I'll probably be fine even if I stay but I'm considering moving to Norway or Denmark if I have kids if this happen, would like them to grow up in a country with a Scandinavian model of society. Like I'm not saying it will be hell on earth or anything, it will probably be fine if you have a good education. It's just won't be what I grew up in.
holy shit is that easy? like no need to prove you speak the language, have a clean background and have a stable job within the country? I mean those things are pretty important to live in any country......damn no wonder everyone wants to go sweden (soon Islamic Republic of Sweden)
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On October 23 2015 08:26 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 05:50 CuddlyCuteKitten wrote:Resident = show up. Citizen = be a resident for 4-5 years. Were pretty fucked yeah. Like the country won't collapse or anything but I expect a society much like the US or worse if we don't do something at 2018 in the latest. Heavily segregated, gated communities, no welfare state for the poor (brown) lower class and a lot of racism. I'll probably be fine even if I stay but I'm considering moving to Norway or Denmark if I have kids if this happen, would like them to grow up in a country with a Scandinavian model of society. Like I'm not saying it will be hell on earth or anything, it will probably be fine if you have a good education. It's just won't be what I grew up in. holy shit is that easy? like no need to prove you speak the language, have a clean background and have a stable job within the country? I mean those things are pretty important to live in any country......damn no wonder everyone wants to go sweden (soon Islamic Republic of Sweden)
Thats not what he's saying and thats a pretty ignorant statement. Thats the case for refugees only if, they can even make it there.
I for example cant just show up. I have however worked in Sweden and Denmark and even just to go for a work trip I hae to jump through heaps of paperwork, provide exact deadlines on when Im coming in, why im coming, when I will leave, where I am staying, when im leaving, iteneraries.
I have lived in North America for 10 years, still gotta do it. So no its not that easy to just "showup" in Sweden. Not sure where this is coming from.
Even for refugees its not that great. Sweden has been extremely selective in the kinds of communities it allows in historically.
Please also note that these refugees are somewhat exceptional circumstances. Its baffling to me how little empathy is involved here.
If anything one should be glad there kids can grow up in multicultural societies with access to different kinds of people at an early age. Thank God for Canada.
You have to appreciate alot of the people coming to Sweden arent interested in sitting on your welfare. They will work hard, learn the language if need be and they will fill gaps in your economy in meaningful ways. Especially considering how with Sweden struggling with maintaining the necessary birth rate scalable economies tend to need.
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The birth rate for Europeans is very problematic, come on euro's, you guys need to have kids mate :\
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On October 23 2015 10:59 AssyrianKing wrote:
The birth rate for Europeans is very problematic, come on euro's, you guys need to have kids mate :\
don't worry mate the huge influx of refugees will balance out the stagnating birth rates of euros  Europe is saved!
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On October 23 2015 12:26 ref4 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 10:59 AssyrianKing wrote:
The birth rate for Europeans is very problematic, come on euro's, you guys need to have kids mate :\ don't worry mate the huge influx of refugees will balance out the stagnating birth rates of euros Europe is saved!
I was talking about the actual Europeans... Seriously though, if you don't start having kids you will be a minority in your own country... :\
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On October 23 2015 12:43 AssyrianKing wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 12:26 ref4 wrote:On October 23 2015 10:59 AssyrianKing wrote:
The birth rate for Europeans is very problematic, come on euro's, you guys need to have kids mate :\ don't worry mate the huge influx of refugees will balance out the stagnating birth rates of euros Europe is saved! I was talking about the actual Europeans... Seriously though, if you don't start having kids you will be a minority in your own country... :\
That's not really how it works. You see there's more to nationality than race. The Brits are a mongrel race composed of many people. There's no more reason to exclude people of Arab descent from being British than there would be to exclude people of Norse descent.
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1) In the syria tread showing up is 100 % correct. As for refuges in general we have a 77 % acceptance rate (higher if you count the fact that you can hide and reapply in 18 months.
For other people you will have to jump through hoops but most skilled migration return home in 10 years. Why we make the process extremely hard for PhD students and such is beyond me...
2) if you get a permanet residency you just have to wait 4~5 years. No tests involved. If you are here working its harder to get permanent residency than it is to get citizenship.
3) integration requires work which we are the worst country in the world at providing for immigrants. Studies show they actually try to find work more than unemployed Swedes we just dont have those kinds of entry level jobs.
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On October 23 2015 13:24 KwarK wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 12:43 AssyrianKing wrote:On October 23 2015 12:26 ref4 wrote:On October 23 2015 10:59 AssyrianKing wrote:
The birth rate for Europeans is very problematic, come on euro's, you guys need to have kids mate :\ don't worry mate the huge influx of refugees will balance out the stagnating birth rates of euros Europe is saved! I was talking about the actual Europeans... Seriously though, if you don't start having kids you will be a minority in your own country... :\ That's not really how it works. You see there's more to nationality than race. The Brits are a mongrel race composed of many people. There's no more reason to exclude people of Arab descent from being British than there would be to exclude people of Norse descent.
As long as they all develop and retain a British identity, it isn't a problem.
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On October 23 2015 15:21 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 13:24 KwarK wrote:On October 23 2015 12:43 AssyrianKing wrote:On October 23 2015 12:26 ref4 wrote:On October 23 2015 10:59 AssyrianKing wrote:
The birth rate for Europeans is very problematic, come on euro's, you guys need to have kids mate :\ don't worry mate the huge influx of refugees will balance out the stagnating birth rates of euros Europe is saved! I was talking about the actual Europeans... Seriously though, if you don't start having kids you will be a minority in your own country... :\ That's not really how it works. You see there's more to nationality than race. The Brits are a mongrel race composed of many people. There's no more reason to exclude people of Arab descent from being British than there would be to exclude people of Norse descent. As long as they all develop and retain a British identity, it isn't a problem.
Our national dish is a curry. British identity is fluid and that isn't a problem. Curry is fucking great. British identity isn't a static concept they must conform to but rather a collective idea which is constantly changing. Obviously we have a few things we cherish and want to keep like human rights and a secular society but if they bring some awesome food with them then we'll have that and call it British. If we can do it to the entire Indian subcontinent we can get away with it on parts of other cultures we like.
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so you change/replace the connection between people with a connection between people and things(curry!) and call it a day.
that will be all fine and dandy for as long as you'll have those things, new things, better things, shiny things! but once those run out, you're done, you're left with nothing.
it's why you wage wars and make slaves of other countries ... to get those things, those new things, the shiny things!; 'cause you know that once those run out, you're done.
it means nothing that you're fine when you have everything. just wait until you have nothing then tell me how fine you still are.
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The fuck are you talking about?
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you were all about rational processes in the meat thread so rationalize that.
the values the West imposed on its people and then bragged about, need to pass through trials before they get validated as to their actual value for our evolution as a species.
+ Show Spoiler +but come on dude, i showed you how little it would take for one to start bombing you and you played the clueless card. actually i don't know, maybe you're supposed to/it's natural to not see it coming.
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On October 23 2015 10:59 AssyrianKing wrote:
The birth rate for Europeans is very problematic, come on euro's, you guys need to have kids mate :\
There are more than 7 billion people on this world. Way too many already so that everyone can have a life in prosperity with the resources available on this planet. If anything others should follow the European example, not the other way around.
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